What cars can the MS3 run with?

[SpeedWorld]

I am still in the decision making process and gathering as much info on this car as possible.

I am just curious at to what this car can hang with on the streets? Both off the line and from a roll?

Any comparisons would be great if you have some time to let me know. Thanks!

[Jay Davidson]

Are we talking about cars in the same price range as the MS3? If we are, there really are no comparisons. The only car in the sub-$25k that comes close is the WRX TR, and that's from a dig. AWD is a beautiful thing, but that's about the only advantage the Rex has. From a street start and after 60 MPH, the MS3 has the advantage. That and the fact that the WRX is built on an aging platform --complete with a tacky, plasticky interior-- are reasons enough to go with the Mazda.

The other car to consider is the new GTI. The interior is comparable with the MS3 in quality, and some would say even nicer. It's also Automobile Magazine's Car of the Year. But the MS3 is faster and once you start adding options to it, the GTI skyrockets from it's base price. Don't forget VW's dubious reliability, too. I'm also not too fond of the exterior, either, but that's a matter of personal taste.

If were looking past $25k, the MS3 still has the nuts to hang with some big players, like the STi and the Evo (depending on the driver). Even some $30k+ rides from Bavaria would be wise to give pause if they line up with you.

Simply put, the MS3 is the best value out there right now. The performance numbers speak for themselves. The exterior is attractive. The interior is one of the best in its class. The usefulness and utility of a four-door hatch cannot be overlooked. And the price is right.

Obviously you're going to get biased opinions on this forum (like mine). If I were you, I'd go pick up the May issue of Car and Driver. The cover story is a comparo of the MS3, WRX TR, SE-R Spec V, GTI, and the Cooper S. It's a very good article, and will probably convince you.

-Jay (Just got word that his SSM Sport is on order...)

[MS6mike]

my MS6 eats those from digs, and i beat one that was boosting 19 pounds! so yea go for the MS6 i paid 26k new for it!

[justa4banger]

Umm MS6mike he was asking about a MS3 not a MS6. Perosnally though AWD is nice BUT it ain't worth it.

Everything is hurt with the AWD except your ability to get the holeshot. after that a MS3 (stock to stock) will motor right past you. MS6 is heavier, it uses more gas, more parts means more costs.......... its just more alright and the only cars that are a good deal are the 06 MS6. 07's are over 30k.

Yea theres a bit more luxery, but is it worth the 6k price difference?

[justa4banger]

Now back to the subject.

My wife and I both drove a 07 4 dr VW GTI w/DSG(auto) and a 6spdM
then drove a MS3. For a hatch the MS3 felt better, ride quality was a little better in the VW but also softer. the DSG thingy sucks IMO i didn't like it at all. i guess it needs to learn your driving habits and well IMO it didn't fast enough.
The shifter in the MS3 could be better, but it isn't bad unless you REALLY try to get through them FAST.
Stereo in MS3 is good, but the sub is a POS.
Only other thing i really don't like to much is all the red dials on the dash. it s abit much. I'm so happy theres aleast a hint of blue available.

Get the mag described above. it does a great comparo. MS3 wins hands down........... :D

[ReFlex]

and the roof of the ms3 sucks ass

[Brian MP5T]

Buy an EVO

[DeadGeneration]

Any car that doesn't have to use it's gas pedal to the full extent can always slow down and run with you :)

[clos561]

get a mazdaspeed3...i raced a m3 of roll and he didnt win, we stayed next to each other 2 times in a row....i raced a mustang gt off a roll and i started pulling on him and he gave up on the gas...i raced a porshce that i would have beat if i took off same tiem as him but i couldnt cuz traffic...car is very nice and worth every dollar im paying for it...get a mazdaspeed3 and spend about 6k in mods and you have a prety badass car

[MS6mike]

get a mazdaspeed3...i raced a m3 of roll and he didnt win, we stayed next to each other 2 times in a row....i raced a mustang gt off a roll and i started pulling on him and he gave up on the gas...i raced a porshce that i would have beat if i took off same tiem as him but i couldnt cuz traffic...car is very nice and worth every dollar im paying for it...get a mazdaspeed3 and spend about 6k in mods and you have a prety badass car


If it was you i raced after the Mazdaspeed meet I call BS because the only time you went next to me i misshifted soo yea as the title says. what cars can the MS3 run with? i say i can run with MS6!

[justa4banger]

Dang mike you trying to make up for something. :D
Yea a friggin yugo could keep up with a MS3 if the driver F'up bad enough.
Car to car in a good run, the HEAVY , YET luxerious MS6 will get its ass handed to him every time. Hell i ran one that had a CPE CAI and i still got him by quite a bit. started in 3rd and stomped it together. pulled about a car every gear till 6th. Didn't eve brake boost the MS3 just stomped it.

AWD rules, but if you want FAST and AWD , get a Suby , EVO, or a R32 GTI and twin turbo the VW(stock they suck). those are fast AWD cars. the MS6 is a GOOD Awd car, not a fast one. It can be made fast, but the AWD has been tested whether or not its strong enough. i know VW's AWD is good to 600ft lbs trq and its not hard to mod to get 800ft lbs trq strength.

[clos561]

If it was you i raced after the Mazdaspeed meet I call BS because the only time you went next to me i misshifted soo yea as the title says. what cars can the MS3 run with? i say i can run with MS6!
no if i raced you i would have won lol

[MS6mike]

whenever one of you guys bring something better than 13.4 at 100mph in the 1/4 mile time, then you guys will be faster but FWD suck!

[clos561]

whenever one of you guys bring something better than 13.4 at 100mph in the 1/4 mile time, then you guys will be faster but FWD suck!
i forget where but a guy ran 13.0 in a speed3 ...he had dr's but stil proly fastest tiem with speed3/speed6 ever seen on here to date...ill try to find it and post the link

[clos561]

http://www.dragtimes.com/Mazda-3-Timeslip-10980.html


here beat this time...

[MS6mike]

SLOWWW fastest time in a MS6 is 12.7 soo yea beat that!

[clos561]

SLOWWW fastest time in a MS6 is 12.7 soo yea beat that!
proof?

[MS6mike]

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123666752


cant find the 12.7 beacause that was atp's car but here you go thats another members time

[MS6mike]

faster by.01 but still faster!

[clos561]

faster by.01 but still faster!
lol thats like 1 inch ahead (drinks)

[MS6mike]

(pow) we can say we are neck to neck!LOL

[justa4banger]

Let me bring my other 2.3 turbo car into the mix.
I'll be your huckleberry..............:D

Hell its 25+ yr old technology and still running good. BUT only a 2.3ltr. :p

[MS6mike]

the mustang is not DISI LOL IS all about the DISI!

[matsuda]

Let me bring my other 2.3 turbo car into the mix.
I'll be your huckleberry..............:D

Hell its 25+ yr old technology and still running good. BUT only a 2.3ltr. :p
You have a SVO? nice...
I know that motor very well.

[MS6mike]

we have a member who did a 12.99 any speed 3 doing that?

[whitey4311]

My wiener is bigger then yours, is that next?

Come on man its all who has the most money so for the price these MazdaSppeds are a great value and are a blast to drive for a daily driver. The STI is faster but beats the hell out of you on the road and the ride sucks since its so track tunned.

For the price get a mazdaspeed3 or 6 but I liked the looks of the 3 way better then the 6 so that is what sold me.

[MS6mike]

well i did not started the thread! im just replying!

[speed3shon]

the speed6 also had a bit of a head start... be sure that in a few months the speed3's will catch up

[clos561]

http://www.dragtimes.com/Mazda-3-Timeslip-10980.html

saw this on a different thread...we are not too far behind the speed6 times...... .03?

[TheDutchGun]

My Dad can beat up your Dad.

[whitey4311]

Yeah well maybe my wife can make out with yours!

LOL

[MS6mike]

my dad is not around anymore!

[clos561]

i just farted (first)

[whitey4311]

my dad is not around anymore!


I think its about time I tell you who I really am son.

[jtom]

That and the fact that the WRX is built on an aging platform --complete with a tacky, plasticky interior-- are reasons enough to go with the Mazda.

The other car to consider is the new GTI. The interior is comparable with the MS3 in quality, and some would say even nicer.

The wrx is an aging platform but I would take it over the MS3. AWD is too much for me to pass up. While the interior is nothing special, I personally like the minimalist feel.

The GTI is not comparable to the MS3 in quality. The GTI's interior and exterior is much higher quality then the MS3. All you have to do is look at both of them and the difference is very apparent. Im not saying the MS3 quality is bad but you cant compare it to a GTI.

[Ryz]

Stock MS3 will beat Stock MS6, GTI, etc. etc. etc. The guy isn't buying a built vehicle. He is asking about Stock. In regards to above thread, remember it is his opinion and not that of many reviewers.

[clos561]

The wrx is an aging platform but I would take it over the MS3. AWD is too much for me to pass up. While the interior is nothing special, I personally like the minimalist feel.

The GTI is not comparable to the MS3 in quality. The GTI's interior and exterior is much higher quality then the MS3. All you have to do is look at both of them and the difference is very apparent. Im not saying the MS3 quality is bad but you cant compare it to a GTI.
GTI = 2 thumbs down and my 2 fat toes down along with it....alot of people think vw's are cool and good cuz they have those commercials with the german guys saying "v DUB YAAAAh" its retarded but there marketing is obviously working for the most part...ms3 ftw(wiggle)

[knowledge007]

MS6MIKE, I would love to run it with you...just to see your face when I pull away...lol I need to dyno and to the 1/4 on this car...

[clos561]

he has cpe ems listed as mod..is that even out yet? pnp for the 3 like xede is working on

[MS6mike]

MS6MIKE, I would love to run it with you...just to see your face when I pull away...lol I need to dyno and to the 1/4 on this car...


we were waiting for you in the meet last wensday! so well come today and will see, even thou my car just came out of the deler and is stock at the moment, ill race you!

[knowledge007]

sweet, I will be there tonight with another friend of mine. I think is sn here is speed6killa...i think...lol

[MS3_Mafia]

^Sweet, can't wait to here the results of this one... Even though i know who the winner will be!!

[clos561]

take vids knowledge.....send them to me after so i can add them to my ms3 video compilation

[knowledge007]

Ill try, don't know how I will do that considering the fact that I will be the only one in the car...???

[clos561]

didnt u say u have a friend going too? if he is in his own car have him record from behind.. or from the sides..

[knowledge007]

Don't know...lmao this his first stick car and I don't trust as far as I can throw him... Especially with his precious...

[MS6mike]

as i stated my car is stock and with a new tranny that means my car is slower and i have to drive it carefully http://www.street unitforum.com/showthread.php?t=2273 here is all the info! don't feal you are actually faster than me just cuz you win 2night! because you are not! bring somthing better that a 13.42 at 101mph and the you are faster!

[clos561]

as i stated my car is stock and with a new tranny that means my car is slower and i have to drive it carefully http://www.street unitforum.com/showthread.php?t=2273 here is all the info! don't feal you are actually faster than me just cuz you win 2night! because you are not! bring somthing better that a 13.42 at 101mph and the you are faster!
he proly runs the same....

[major error]

From the 2007 SCCA Solo rulebook:

D Stock (DS)
---
Acura
Integra Type R

Audi
A3 3.2L AWD
S4 (‘00-’03)
TT (225hp, dual intercoolers)
TT 3.2 V6
TT (180 hp single intercooler)

BMW
330Ci
330 with ZHP, all
3 series (‘06+)
3 Series, 6 cyl. (non-M) NOC

Cadillac
CTS

Chevrolet
Cobalt SS

Chrysler/Dodge
Crossfire
Daytona IROC R/T
SRT-4

Honda
Prelude VTEC engine models (‘97+)

Infiniti
G35 Sedan

Jaguar
X Type 3.0 (AWD)
X Type

Lexus
IS250 (‘06+)
IS300
IS350 (‘06+)

Mazda
MazdaSpeed 3
MazdaSpeed 6
MazdaSpeed Protege

Mercedes
C320

Mitsubishi/DSM
Eclipse (‘06+)
Eclipse/Talon Turbo AWD

Nissan
Maxima (‘04+)

Oldsmobile
Calais W41

Saab
9-2X Aero (2.0L turbo)

Saturn
Ion Redline

Subaru
Forester 2.5XT
Legacy 2.5GT (05+)
WRX

Volkswagen
Golf R32

Volvo
S60R (‘03+)
V70R (‘03+)

[knowledge007]

as i stated my car is stock and with a new tranny that means my car is slower and i have to drive it carefully http://www.street unitforum.com/showthread.php?t=2273 here is all the info! don't feal you are actually faster than me just cuz you win 2night! because you are not! bring somthing better that a 13.42 at 101mph and the you are faster!

I can promise I am atleast doing mid 12's so please...give it a rest... :P lmao

[clos561]

From the 2007 SCCA Solo rulebook:

D Stock (DS)
---
Acura
Integra Type R

Audi
A3 3.2L AWD
S4 (‘00-’03)
TT (225hp, dual intercoolers)
TT 3.2 V6
TT (180 hp single intercooler)

BMW
330Ci
330 with ZHP, all
3 series (‘06+)
3 Series, 6 cyl. (non-M) NOC

Cadillac
CTS

Chevrolet
Cobalt SS

Chrysler/Dodge
Crossfire
Daytona IROC R/T
SRT-4

Honda
Prelude VTEC engine models (‘97+)

Infiniti
G35 Sedan

Jaguar
X Type 3.0 (AWD)
X Type

Lexus
IS250 (‘06+)
IS300
IS350 (‘06+)

Mazda
MazdaSpeed 3
MazdaSpeed 6
MazdaSpeed Protege

Mercedes
C320

Mitsubishi/DSM
Eclipse (‘06+)
Eclipse/Talon Turbo AWD

Nissan
Maxima (‘04+)

Oldsmobile
Calais W41

Saab
9-2X Aero (2.0L turbo)

Saturn
Ion Redline

Subaru
Forester 2.5XT
Legacy 2.5GT (05+)
WRX

Volkswagen
Golf R32

Volvo
S60R (‘03+)
V70R (‘03+)
what was the point of that post?

[knowledge007]

well...clos561, he speed 6 was stock...

[whitey4311]

I can promise I am atleast doing mid 12's so please...give it a rest... :P lmao


Ok you 2 line it up and see who can pee further, lol.

[MS6mike]

I can promise I am atleast doing mid 12's so please...give it a rest... :P lmao










JAJAJAJAJAAJAJAJA(2thumbs) ill love to see you doing that! that just show how litle track expirience you have! remember you are driving FWD car if you go and do a 12.7! you will be abetter driver than schumacher!(boom02)

[whitey4311]

I have no track time at all but I will let you guys beat the hell out of your cars then we will race when we all have 50k miles on the car and see who wins, lol.

Poor cars are going to be toast here pretty quick you keep it up.

[Karma_hunden]

stop talking about who's faster than who...today there was a MazdaSpeed meet in South Florida (you should come one day), and some of our members showed up including Knowledge and Mike...result? No race, I guess both realize this shit is stupid, as any mature person should.

Close561, how can you say you hung with an M3 if I just saw a video of you getting smoked by a rsx-type S LOL. Unless of coarse you mean the old version M3 (E36).


(boobs2)

[tritonheat1]

Stock vs Stock, A MS3 ain't beating a MS6 unless it's from a roll. From a dig i would say the MS3 would lose and from a roll the edge goin 2 the MS3 even though i think it's a driver's race.

A few people have hit 13.5 in there Stock MS6

[clos561]

stop talking about who's faster than who...today there was a MazdaSpeed meet in South Florida (you should come one day), and some of our members showed up including Knowledge and Mike...result? No race, I guess both realize this shit is stupid, as any mature person should.

Close561, how can you say you hung with an M3 if I just saw a video of you getting smoked by a rsx-type S LOL. Unless of coarse you mean the old version M3 (E36).


(boobs2)

if you noticed i said i had two other people in my car and he had the jump both times that we raced...he went then i went....when i raced the m3 i was alone and it was a newer version we both took off close to same time compared to the rsx which was definitely modded but i dont give excuses jsut state facts on wins and losses...

[clos561]

well...clos561, he speed 6 was stock...
ms6mike? yea he got it back from the dealer right? he wasnt stock running 13.4 tho...was he?

[SwampAss]

My fastest time was a 10:32 @ 141mph.

on a 1.3 liter (butt)

[clos561]

what kidna car

[SwampAss]

http://www.suzukicycles.org/photos/GSX-R/GSX1300R-Hayabusa/2002_GSX1300R_bk-blue_450.jpg

[TheDutchGun]

'Busa's are fuckin insane. I nominate Swampass for member of the year.

[MS6mike]

ms6mike? yea he got it back from the dealer right? he wasnt stock running 13.4 tho...was he?


no men i was not stock when i ran those times! i had intake downpipe and the ems not tuned!

[clos561]

no men i was not stock when i ran those times! i had intake downpipe and the ems not tuned!
o ok..i didnt think so are u the guy that blew the motor with the turbo upgrade on the 6?

[MS6mike]

oh no that was not me! im just playing bolts on for now!

[clos561]

oh no that was not me! im just playing bolts on for now!
ok..im getting cai soon and then i gota save for TBE cai is alot of fun i hear....turbo spool audible and recirc valve sounds vta (kind of)

[MS6mike]

yea if you have seen knowledge007 speed 3 it sounds awasome!

[Karma_hunden]

4drhtrd is the guy who blew his motor. I dont remember why it was that it blew up, all i know is that the boost gauge read 30psi when it happened lol

[clos561]

4drhtrd is the guy who blew his motor. I dont remember why it was that it blew up, all i know is that the boost gauge read 30psi when it happened lol
wow lol thats shitty.............yea ive seen videos...prety badass and i wish i had 2k laying around

[knowledge007]

yea if you have seen knowledge007 speed 3 it sounds awasome!

Thanks Mike, it reall means alot considering the money I spent. Not only is the power amazing with all my mods the sound is amazing.

[MS6mike]

yea men, parts are not cheap! but atleast CP-E knows what they are doing!

[clos561]

yea men, parts are not cheap! but atleast CP-E knows what they are doing!
u have rx-8 wheels on ur 6? y?! got pics?

[MS6mike]

here you go !

[Karma_hunden]

they are fatter and lighter. Also the cheapest way to switch wheels.

[redspeed]

JAJAJAJAJAAJAJAJA(2thumbs) ill love to see you doing that! that just show how litle track expirience you have! remember you are driving FWD car if you go and do a 12.7! you will be abetter driver than schumacher!(boom02)

Are you saying that it can't go 12 sec 1/4 mile just because is FWD? here you go

http://superstreetonline.com/featuredvehicles/130_0700_1998_honda_civic_hatchback_turbocharged_i mport_car

Is not a MS3 but is FWD.

[Equinox]

I like pudding.

[MS6mike]

Are you saying that it can't go 12 sec 1/4 mile just because is FWD? here you go

http://superstreetonline.com/featuredvehicles/130_0700_1998_honda_civic_hatchback_turbocharged_i mport_car

Is not a MS3 but is FWD.


i meant with his car and his mods which i seen in person!(wedge)

[awsmp5]

o please my geo metro 3 banger does a 1/4 miles in 10 seconds flat
that i don't have

anyhoo i want a ms3...

[clos561]

i think with the piggy back he could hit 12's...im nto sure if he could hit twelves with jsut intake and tbe seeing as the car runs high 13's stock...intake exhaust wouldnt take a whole second off

[knowledge007]

Im sure if I run the shit out of the car conisdering I have the rear engine mount...I can hit 12's...thinking about doing some strut and tortion bars...

[clos561]

Im sure if I run the shit out of the car conisdering I have the rear engine mount...I can hit 12's...thinking about doing some strut and tortion bars...
if u hit twelves and prove it...definitely good job...(guitar)

[CHICO2003]

This thread is ridiculous... MS6Mike clearly has insecurity issues. "my car is better/faster than yours... fwd sucks... etc." I mean.. wtf is that? Especially when his voice really wasn't needed in this conversation to begin with. The guy who started the thread wanted to know what cars the MS3 could hang with. Based on the numbers alone, obviously the stock versions of the respective cars are going to be comparable in most of the key performance tests. (The MS3 has a significant advantage in the slalom and skidpad however) But that wasn't the question... everyone already knew that.

Here's the bottomline Mike... your car, while nice and all, is in a different category all together. It's not better... or worse... just different. Having driven both, it's clear that the MS6 looks (imo) a lot better than the MS3 (even with its' even fuglier wheels). Inside, it's the exact opposite. The MS6's interior is crap compared to the MS3. Hard plastic abounds... the seats are about as supportive as a buick century bench seat and the clutch... omg... don't even get me started. worst clutch ever!! This awd system you're so proud of... it's average at best dude. Before saying fwd sucks... maybe you should realize that your car is fwd most of the time.

Since you clearly took advantage of the crazy rebates they were offering... you obviously got yourself a deal. To my knowledge, those rebates don't exist so don't act like you can still get a new 06 for a couple grand more than a MS3 GT. In the real world... your car costs about $6k more than an MS3 and we all know what that kind of money can add in terms of performance.

Anyway... sorry to vent but homez just pissed me off with his "my car is better than yours" BS. This is a freakin mazda community. I'm cool with you bashing other brands but come on! Mazda's a pretty selective, tight-nit group... no need to bash eachother. MS3 FTW haha

[justa4banger]

Damn i haven't read this thread but yea mike has some issues (other threads). He's just mad that the almighty AWD is still slower than the quicker FWD. :D

[MS6mike]

This thread is ridiculous... MS6Mike clearly has insecurity issues. "my car is better/faster than yours... fwd sucks... etc." I mean.. wtf is that? Especially when his voice really wasn't needed in this conversation to begin with. The guy who started the thread wanted to know what cars the MS3 could hang with. Based on the numbers alone, obviously the stock versions of the respective cars are going to be comparable in most of the key performance tests. (The MS3 has a significant advantage in the slalom and skidpad however) But that wasn't the question... everyone already knew that.

Here's the bottomline Mike... your car, while nice and all, is in a different category all together. It's not better... or worse... just different. Having driven both, it's clear that the MS6 looks (imo) a lot better than the MS3 (even with its' even fuglier wheels). Inside, it's the exact opposite. The MS6's interior is crap compared to the MS3. Hard plastic abounds... the seats are about as supportive as a buick century bench seat and the clutch... omg... don't even get me started. worst clutch ever!! This awd system you're so proud of... it's average at best dude. Before saying fwd sucks... maybe you should realize that your car is fwd most of the time.

Since you clearly took advantage of the crazy rebates they were offering... you obviously got yourself a deal. To my knowledge, those rebates don't exist so don't act like you can still get a new 06 for a couple grand more than a MS3 GT. In the real world... your car costs about $6k more than an MS3 and we all know what that kind of money can add in terms of performance.

Anyway... sorry to vent but homez just pissed me off with his "my car is better than yours" BS. This is a freakin mazda community. I'm cool with you bashing other brands but come on! Mazda's a pretty selective, tight-nit group... no need to bash eachother. MS3 FTW haha


well said! (braindead

[MS6mike]

Damn i haven't read this thread but yea mike has some issues (other threads). He's just mad that the almighty AWD is still slower than the quicker FWD. :D


what other threads?

[MS6mike]

if u hit twelves and prove it...definitely good job...(guitar)



X1 what i said!

[MS3_Mafia]

Just to add my .02 to this thread... I beat an Infiniti G35 from a roll on the highway the other night. I was in 3rd gear at 50mph. He lurched forward and I got on it in 3rd, shifted to 4th and it was all over. I pulled away from him hard. Didn't get to see the expression on his face throught his tinted windows... which would of been priceless!

[clos561]

Just to add my .02 to this thread... I beat an Infiniti G35 from a roll on the highway the other night. I was in 3rd gear at 50mph. He lurched forward and I got on it in 3rd, shifted to 4th and it was all over. I pulled away from him hard. Didn't get to see the expression on his face throught his tinted windows... which would of been priceless!
i raced a m3 similarly but i didnt pull away...we stayed next to each other both times...he was proly like wtf?! but good job on the g35 kill......are u still stock?

[SpcyOrngMSP]

I havent really seen any MS3's around here so I can't really say what I do like or what I do not like about them, but I CAN say that I love Volkswagens and I wish I woulda bought a GTI instead of my MSP... I feel they are better looking and have better interiors then the MSP, and of course, with only a chip, exhaust and an intake you're looking at around 200whp+ on a 2.0T and it wont blow up, plus you still have your leather interior, etc...but like I said, I haven't seen an MS3 for myself yet..

[BLACKMS3]

You CANNOT beat a Pontiac GTO or a Z06 Corvette.... I tried and failed miserably at both...

[DeadGeneration]

I don't know about the GTO... but z06? what were you thinking? lol

[BLACKMS3]

I was thinking "maybe he's a shitty driver"

I was wrong...


The Goats are badass too! 425HP/6Sp stock from the factory (Basically the Corvette running gear)

[SpcyOrngMSP]

yep my buddy has a GTO, they're not as fast as they should be, but don't get me wrong, they're fast!

[MS6mike]

hey be carefull with the SRT-4 they are some sick ones out there!

[speed3shon]

the first year GTO's only have 350hp... they are like the redheaded step child's of the GTOs

they are the ones out there getting beat...

[FRUCTOSE]

Pulled a car on an evo IX from a roll (only after 100)! Me 100% stock and him CAI, CBE, and boost controller! Yes evo IX! We raced like 5 times from every gear. And I won every time except from 20 because wheel spin! Yes he is a good driver and I am good too!

[clos561]

Pulled a car on an evo IX from a roll (only after 100)! Me 100% stock and him CAI, CBE, and boost controller! Yes evo IX! We raced like 5 times from every gear. And I won every time except from 20 because wheel spin! Yes he is a good driver and I am good too!
good job...z06's are almost always stock because most of the time older men drive them.....with a bunch of serious mods i could see some ms3's beating zo6's only because zo6's spiining tires at launch...(alot more than us)..it will be very difficult task tho $$$$

[Americaneagle]

Are we talking about cars in the same price range as the MS3? If we are, there really are no comparisons. The only car in the sub-$25k that comes close is the WRX TR, and that's from a dig. AWD is a beautiful thing, but that's about the only advantage the Rex has. From a street start and after 60 MPH, the MS3 has the advantage. That and the fact that the WRX is built on an aging platform --complete with a tacky, plasticky interior-- are reasons enough to go with the Mazda.

I won't say it's the only advantage. Slightly lighter and a better trans are some other things to consider. Last test i seen put it a 10th above the wrx...on the street thats hardly measurable.

And the platform is fine, since the bug-eye wrx alot of improvements have been handed down. The chassis is alot stiffer. I would say that both interiors are good, i like the wrx gauge cluster locations better.

[MS3_Mafia]

i raced a m3 similarly but i didnt pull away...we stayed next to each other both times...he was proly like wtf?! but good job on the g35 kill......are u still stock?

Yeah i'm still Stock. A previous kill was an 07 Acura TL. He was in front of me at a light and knew i was behind him. Light turned green and he immediately tried to get away from me. I stayed on his ass and when it was clear i literally walked away from him in the right lane. His had a big cheesy grin of surprise as i passed him.

[clos561]

Yeah i'm still Stock. A previous kill was an 07 Acura TL. He was in front of me at a light and knew i was behind him. Light turned green and he immediately tried to get away from me. I stayed on his ass and when it was clear i literally walked away from him in the right lane. His had a big cheesy grin of surprise as i passed him.
yea tl's runs mid - high 14's ( the new type s are a bit faster ) but we still beat em..good job...i havent had ne races lately :(

[Karma_hunden]

Knowledge, I dont think you can hit 12s with your mods quite honestly. Its harder than you think. I say you are probably going to hit 13.6-13.9...13.5 at most. IF you wanna flatshift...probably 13.4.

Now, Im just guessing. Lets see what you got! you're one of the few MS3 with full bolt ons and you HAVENT even gone to the track yet. Shame on you dude!

Becareful with SRT4s, they are so old most of them are at stage 2 by now.

[knowledge007]

I know, I need to get to the track. Goerge, my friend that I showed up with at the meet, will be getting his turbo back on saturday. And hopefully we will have time to hit up "Fynetune" for some dyno runs. So hopefully both of us will have some numbers come Monday.

Hit up an srt4 yesterday. He was pulling out of w/e that rim shop is on bird and 90 or something like that by frankies pizza. Coming up on me fast, hit third hugged him and pulled away. Hit the 87av light and he asked wtf I had done to the car that I was the first to just walk away from him like that....lmao...i love this car..

[speedi3]

What does it take to hit 12s? Thats my main goal with this ride. Just gimme a nice consistent 12. Thats supercar material and worthy of the MS3. I haven't been to the track either. Once I get these last few mods (this weekend) I will dyno and hopefully get to a track.

I've raced several GTOs.... and lost but showed good spirit... they were modded...

Add bmw 540s to the list, older dude probably with a chip though as we got to low 100s pretty quick and it was his idea to race...so he had to have something.

All of the srt-4's around here are going slow and not taking the time... Once my mods are in I will press the issue with some of them.

[knowledge007]

I figure once I get the ets tmic, strut bar, that should pretty much get me there within 12's... I hope. After that before I get the tuning solution, I need upgrade brakes and pads...

[M3_Zoom]

The wrx is an aging platform but I would take it over the MS3. AWD is too much for me to pass up. While the interior is nothing special, I personally like the minimalist feel.

The GTI is not comparable to the MS3 in quality. The GTI's interior and exterior is much higher quality then the MS3. All you have to do is look at both of them and the difference is very apparent. Im not saying the MS3 quality is bad but you cant compare it to a GTI.

Sorry guy but you can compare the two. What it boils down to is a difference in opinion and what the buyer is looking for. The interior on the VW is only better if you opt for the leather seats. VW's leather is a better quality leather and that's it. If you opt for standard cloth interior the MS3 seats are equal to the VW. In reference to the exterior, the MS3 and Gti are equal in quality and fitment but the MS3 walks on the Gti for appearance. They are very comparable cars minus the performance. That's like saying "well you cannot compare the Gti with the MS3 because everyone knows VW's have a but load of electrical problems, so VW's are junk." Come on, they are both nice cars and it's all about what your looking for. I can tell you, I have owned a handfull of VW's in my days and this is my first Mazda and I'm very impressed with the entire car not just from a performance mindset either.

[MS6mike]

jajaj give her my number then!

[CHICO2003]

Your "logic" is astounding. I think you need to take a step back and put your bias aside. Without question, the MS3 is by far the best overall choice in this price category. So you can rest assured that you made a great purchase. But to say that the quality of interior between the VW and MS3 is purely subjective and a matter of oppinion is false.

Whether the styling of a car agrees with someone is subjective. Afterall, my 2nd car is an Element. I personally like the boxy, utilitarian look. By-in-large, most people find it ugly. This is, of course, subjective.

Whether something is of high quality of, more specifically, higher quality is NOT subjective however. I think it's fair to say you haven't actually sat in a new GTI. (at least, I hope for your sake you haven't.) If you had... and STILL think the MS3's interior is on par, well... you need your eyes (or bias) checked. There are certain tangible things you can actually scientifically measure in order to determine the "quality" of an interior. Again, whether it agrees with you from a looks standpoint is completely irrelevant when we're talking about quality.

So, assuming you haven't actually sat in a new GTI, I'd either not through your .02 into the conversation or... waltz over to your local dealership and sit in one. Once in, you'll (hopefully) notice the absence of "hard plastic" that seems to adourn most cars (including your beloved MS3) these days. Instead, you'll find a nice soft-touch material that is commonly found in cars priced twice that of the GTI. Next you'll (hopefully) notice the fit & finish. While the MS3's F&F is great.... right up there with the next tier, it's just not on the same level. Everything is extremely tight... something that pays off when you're driving. I've test-driven 2 MS3s and each of them had their share of minor rattles. Nothing that would have held me back or anything but definitely proved to remind me that I wasn't in a lexus. or... in this case.. a GTI. Nothing like that transpired. in fact, for me, the GTi was almost too quiet... too perfect.


So that's the quality of the interior.... If you think I'm full of $hit, look up any of the reviews and you'll find they echoe the same sentiment. this is just one of the many factors in deciding which car one should buy. While the GTI clearly has an edge in this dept... the MS3 has an equal edge in the performance category.

Lastly... and again, this is completely subjective but I must take umbridge with what you said about the MS3 "walking" on the GTI in the looks dept. Sorry dude... no way in hell! lol A white GTI with those 18" wheels looks hot as hell.... Even in Red, the MS3 just doesn't "do it" for me (which is why I passed on the car) Maybe it's the wheels... easily the fugliest wheels I've seen since the MS6 or maybe it's the station wagon body... All I know is, give the GTI an extra 60hp (which isn't too hard really) and you've got yourself a car that not only looks better (imo) and clearly has the better interior but is also just as quick.... then again, it would end up costing about 10k more than the MS3 so screw that!

Oh and... yeah, those plaid seats on the VW are just plain hideous. The equivalent of the MS3 wheels really... I realize they're paying tribute to the originals but.... come on man, somet things just need to die. One of the biggest complaints (or reasons people aren't buying the car) is the fact that it's so damn expensive. Since everyone (that I know at least) feels the same about those seats, they were sort of force dinto the leather option... which jacks the price up a couple grand. If VW was smart, they'd put in some nice cloth seats that appeal to the mainstream....

[MS6mike]

knolegde not next wensday but the following would be good for you to go to morosso? i am going wondering if you wanted to come with george!

[clos561]

which moroso are u talking about?

[MS6mike]

the 1/4 mile track at west palm!

[clos561]

i live really close to that...some chick i raced said thers a show 2moro 12-7? i duno i gave her my number and she wanted me to roll out with her car club......but if she does i cant..my car is in the shop...

[Karma_hunden]

Knowledge007, I was refering to stock Speeds lol. You should do just fine with the srt-4s as you showed.

Clos561, what happened to your car?

[clos561]

something is wrong with my second gear....it will drive fine and then sometimes when i shift into second and engage clutch and give it gas the gear pops out....its really geee and im driving a nissan sentra 2.0 for now.....29city/36hwy thumbs up for the current gas savings but its shitty knowing my car is fucked...and i just ordered the MS cai...i have no idea what it could be..my dad thinks something with the arm that guides the gear in....its not my clutch cuz all the other gears go in and stay fine...its jsut second...maybe some teeth broke off the gear? duno...(boom05)

[M3_Zoom]

Your "logic" is astounding. I think you need to take a step back and put your bias aside. Without question, the MS3 is by far the best overall choice in this price category. So you can rest assured that you made a great purchase. But to say that the quality of interior between the VW and MS3 is purely subjective and a matter of oppinion is false.

Set my bias aside? Can you show me or tell me where I said the Gti was a bad car? NO! As far as the interior, like I originally said, IT"S A MATTER OF OPINION. Did I not say that? Ummm, yes I did. Also, did I say the Gti had better quality seats in leather trim? Ummm, why yes I did. It is a matter of opinion, well wait no I take that back because Chico2003 said so and he's the GOD of know all. Who are you to say, yup VW is the best. It's your opionion just likes it's my opinion, PERIOD!

Whether the styling of a car agrees with someone is subjective. Afterall, my 2nd car is an Element. I personally like the boxy, utilitarian look. By-in-large, most people find it ugly. This is, of course, subjective.

Guess what guy, that's right! It's in your opionion that the Element is cool. Some say yes, some say no, but if I were to say it was junk, you would attempt to further educate me I'm sure.

Whether something is of high quality of, more specifically, higher quality is NOT subjective however. I think it's fair to say you haven't actually sat in a new GTI. (at least, I hope for your sake you haven't.) If you had... and STILL think the MS3's interior is on par, well... you need your eyes (or bias) checked. There are certain tangible things you can actually scientifically measure in order to determine the "quality" of an interior. Again, whether it agrees with you from a looks standpoint is completely irrelevant when we're talking about quality.

Actually, I test drove the 07 Gti. So let me guess my sensory motor skills lied to me when they said, it's ok. Well again that's my opinion. What you look for in a seat and the next guy looks for in a seat, can be different. That is what we call personal opinion. Did I say the new Gti seats were uncomfortable? NO! Again, did I not say the leather quality was better? Yes! Just thought I would mention that again since maybe you didn't get it the first time. So really who is bias? YOU! I actually was standing up for the Gti saying they are both nice cars and oh boy,once again, ITS A MATTER OF OPINION!

So, assuming you haven't actually sat in a new GTI, I'd either not through your .02 into the conversation or... waltz over to your local dealership and sit in one. Once in, you'll (hopefully) notice the absence of "hard plastic" that seems to adourn most cars (including your beloved MS3) these days. Instead, you'll find a nice soft-touch material that is commonly found in cars priced twice that of the GTI. Next you'll (hopefully) notice the fit & finish. While the MS3's F&F is great.... right up there with the next tier, it's just not on the same level. Everything is extremely tight... something that pays off when you're driving. I've test-driven 2 MS3s and each of them had their share of minor rattles. Nothing that would have held me back or anything but definitely proved to remind me that I wasn't in a lexus. or... in this case.. a GTI. Nothing like that transpired. in fact, for me, the GTi was almost too quiet... too perfect.

Well horray for you that you test drove two MS3's. I have a MS3 GT with ZERO yes ZERO rattles. Most are finding the rattles are the loose wires from not having navigation. I have navigation and in no way is that an excuse because all MS3's should be equal. That is off topic, but again your opinion is you like the interior better than the MS3. Sure if I opted for the Gti with leather and equally equipped it with my current MS3 GT, I wouldn't have paid what I paid for my MS3 thats for sure. In case you did not read that, someone else already mentioned that for you as well. Oh boy not again, ITS A MATTER OF OPINION.

So that's the quality of the interior.... If you think I'm full of $hit, look up any of the reviews and you'll find they echoe the same sentiment. this is just one of the many factors in deciding which car one should buy. While the GTI clearly has an edge in this dept... the MS3 has an equal edge in the performance category.

Did I say the quality of the VW interior was better or worse than the MS3? I SAID THE VW WAS BETTER! Maybe you should go back and read my nice and polite post before you attempt to bash someone. You seem to be the type of person who reads only what he wants to read.

Lastly... and again, this is completely subjective but I must take umbridge with what you said about the MS3 "walking" on the GTI in the looks dept. Sorry dude... no way in hell! lol A white GTI with those 18" wheels looks hot as hell.... Even in Red, the MS3 just doesn't "do it" for me (which is why I passed on the car) Maybe it's the wheels... easily the fugliest wheels I've seen since the MS6 or maybe it's the station wagon body... All I know is, give the GTI an extra 60hp (which isn't too hard really) and you've got yourself a car that not only looks better (imo) and clearly has the better interior but is also just as quick.... then again, it would end up costing about 10k more than the MS3 so screw that!

Yes, In my opinion, let me say it again, in my opinion the MS3 does walk on the Gti in appearance. I, me, my opinion thinks the new Gti looks like a pinched off turd. The entire front clip is off, IN MY OPINION. Who cares what color Gti or what wheels, I was speaking in general terms of body lines etc. The fugliest wheels you have seen...HA and of course in YOUR OPINION right. The Gti wheels look like a button that fell off a late 50 or 60's silk shirt; now they are ugly as hell! Oh wait, in my opinion of course. The MS3 wheels are average but they sure aren't bad. If you want bad, you'll find that on the standard Gti wheels of course; they are awful! Oh wait, In my opinion.

Oh and... yeah, those plaid seats on the VW are just plain hideous. The equivalent of the MS3 wheels really... I realize they're paying tribute to the originals but.... come on man, somet things just need to die. One of the biggest complaints (or reasons people aren't buying the car) is the fact that it's so damn expensive. Since everyone (that I know at least) feels the same about those seats, they were sort of force dinto the leather option... which jacks the price up a couple grand. If VW was smart, they'd put in some nice cloth seats that appeal to the mainstream....

We'll I happen to like the plaid seats! It reminds me of my 84 Gti I owned some twenty plus years ago. So see, THATS YOUR OPINION.


Also let me tell you something Mr. Chico2003, this is the second time you have attempted to bash me without obviously reading my entire post. The first time you told me to get my head checked on information about the WRX's in a prior post and now I should get my eyes checked. I, in no way fashion or form bashed you or the VW Gti. I actually complimented it and simply said it's a matter of opinion because both cars are nice. Can you please show me where I said the VW is junk? Of course not. That is fact! Bashing me on what I wrote, then attempting to save yourself by troughing in your fancy "subjective" word amazes me. If you think your little charismatic way of speaking is a great way of saving face, find a different way because, it's not working. There are many well educated folk on this website, so be careful... People like you just get off on starting crap, so before you attempt to reply to any of my posts in the future, think twice before you do or really find out what your learning style is because it's certainly not visual. Then again maybe it is (eekfu)

[Karma_hunden]

fight! fight! fight! fight! fight!...

[MS6mike]

something is wrong with my second gear....it will drive fine and then sometimes when i shift into second and engage clutch and give it gas the gear pops out....its really geee and im driving a nissan sentra 2.0 for now.....29city/36hwy thumbs up for the current gas savings but its shitty knowing my car is fucked...and i just ordered the MS cai...i have no idea what it could be..my dad thinks something with the arm that guides the gear in....its not my clutch cuz all the other gears go in and stay fine...its jsut second...maybe some teeth broke off the gear? duno...(boom05)



take it to the dealer my car was having the same problem, they fixed it all!

[CHICO2003]

Set my bias aside? Can you show me or tell me where I said the Gti was a bad car? NO! As far as the interior, like I originally said, IT"S A MATTER OF OPINION. Did I not say that? Ummm, yes I did. Also, did I say the Gti had better quality seats in leather trim? Ummm, why yes I did. It is a matter of opinion, well wait no I take that back because Chico2003 said so and he's the GOD of know all. Who are you to say, yup VW is the best. It's your opionion just likes it's my opinion, PERIOD!

So let me get this straight. According to you, my implying that you were a bit blinded by bias means that you also think the GTI is a bad car. I guess my bias (and I am) towards the MSP means I must think every other car is a POS. LOL What a shitty way to start a debate. Dude... I never said you thought the GTI was a "bad car" so get over it. I merely said that I believe your post exuded bias and that you needed to take a step back.

As far as the rest of your verbal diarrhea is concerned... It's almost as if you didn't read my post. Hopefully, for your sake, you didn't. If you did and STILL don't understand that the quality of one's interior is NOT subjective (while the styling is) then you apparently need more help than I originally thought. To be clear, quality is not a subjective thing. The fit & finish of a product (whether it's a car's interior or... a couch) can all be measured quantitatively in a way that leaves no doubt.

Guess what guy, that's right! It's in your opionion that the Element is cool. Some say yes, some say no, but if I were to say it was junk, you would attempt to further educate me I'm sure.

What's with the "guy" shit? LOL Anyway... My referencing the fact that a car like the Element is generally looked upon to be unattractive was my way of making an example on how LOOKS can be and are subjective. The fact that you cannot delineate the difference between looks and quality is rather disturbing.

Actually, I test drove the 07 Gti. So let me guess my sensory motor skills lied to me when they said, it's ok. Well again that's my opinion. What you look for in a seat and the next guy looks for in a seat, can be different. That is what we call personal opinion. Did I say the new Gti seats were uncomfortable? NO! Again, did I not say the leather quality was better? Yes! Just thought I would mention that again since maybe you didn't get it the first time. So really who is bias? YOU! I actually was standing up for the Gti saying they are both nice cars and oh boy,once again, ITS A MATTER OF OPINION!

I feel like I'm arguing with a child. So your "motor skills" (do you even know what those are?) said the GTI was "ok" huh? LOL Alrighty then!! You keep brining up the seats as if that's the ONLY thing that factors into a "which interior is best?" debate. I'm not even sure where their respective level of comfort entered the equation. Clearly anyone who has read this post up until this point (anyone but you I imagine) would realize that THAT would ALSO be subjective. There are simply too many factors involved. As an example, I (along with most of the target market) found the SRT-4 seats to be comfortable. A lot of older types would disagree. Does that have anything at all to do with their quality? Of course not. So why are we talking about it then???

Well horray for you that you test drove two MS3's. I have a MS3 GT with ZERO yes ZERO rattles. Most are finding the rattles are the loose wires from not having navigation. I have navigation and in no way is that an excuse because all MS3's should be equal. That is off topic, but again your opinion is you like the interior better than the MS3. Sure if I opted for the Gti with leather and equally equipped it with my current MS3 GT, I wouldn't have paid what I paid for my MS3 thats for sure. In case you did not read that, someone else already mentioned that for you as well. Oh boy not again, ITS A MATTER OF OPINION.

WTF?!! I feel like I'm trapped in a the land of Stupid. Remind me again how my hearing rattles in one car and not hearing them in another is a matter of oppinion? Granted, it's not the most scientific method to determine how "tight" a car is but, combined with the various other things I read, definitely helped me formulate my final oppinion on the two cars. Everything else you wrote above has no bearing on what we're talking about so I'm not even going to address it.

Did I say the quality of the VW interior was better or worse than the MS3? I SAID THE VW WAS BETTER! Maybe you should go back and read my nice and polite post before you attempt to bash someone. You seem to be the type of person who reads only what he wants to read.

Since I'm in the middle of responding to your rubbish, I'll have to go back and do that later. Hopefully you didn't weasel out and edit your post or anything. That would be so weak.

Yes, In my opinion, let me say it again, in my opinion the MS3 does walk on the Gti in appearance. I, me, my opinion thinks the new Gti looks like a pinched off turd. The entire front clip is off, IN MY OPINION. Who cares what color Gti or what wheels, I was speaking in general terms of body lines etc. The fugliest wheels you have seen...HA and of course in YOUR OPINION right. The Gti wheels look like a button that fell off a late 50 or 60's silk shirt; now they are ugly as hell! Oh wait, in my opinion of course. The MS3 wheels are average but they sure aren't bad. If you want bad, you'll find that on the standard Gti wheels of course; they are awful! Oh wait, In my opinion.

We'll I happen to like the plaid seats! It reminds me of my 84 Gti I owned some twenty plus years ago. So see, THATS YOUR OPINION.

No shit all of that is my opinion. I stated that it was from the start so get off your high horse already. All of those things were examples of how a car's looks are subjective and a matter of opinion. While it's not likely, there could be someone out there who thinks the wheels on the MS3 look hot. Who am I to argue with that person? As I made clear, that's their opinion. LOL You really aren't getting this are you?

Also let me tell you something Mr. Chico2003, this is the second time you have attempted to bash me without obviously reading my entire post. The first time you told me to get my head checked on information about the WRX's in a prior post and now I should get my eyes checked. I, in no way fashion or form bashed you or the VW Gti. I actually complimented it and simply said it's a matter of opinion because both cars are nice. Can you please show me where I said the VW is junk? Of course not. That is fact! Bashing me on what I wrote, then attempting to save yourself by troughing in your fancy "subjective" word amazes me. If you think your little charismatic way of speaking is a great way of saving face, find a different way because, it's not working. There are many well educated folk on this website, so be careful... People like you just get off on starting crap, so before you attempt to reply to any of my posts in the future, think twice before you do or really find out what your learning style is because it's certainly not visual. Then again maybe it is(eekfu)

Oh man.... this was definitely the cherry on the sundae. Thanks.. you made my day! haha charismatic way of speaking??? umm.... what? As far as this being the second time I've tried to bash you blah blah blah... sorry, I don't recall what happened. I'm sorry that it clearly had such a negative impact on your life that you're still upset about it though. I'll send you a Whitman Sampler... will that make you feel better? haha j/k

Alright... time to put this to bed. It's pretty clear to me now what the problem is. You're a defensive person who generally takes things far too personally. After skimming through my post and thinking I was putting you (or your precious car) down in some way, you took it upon yourself to berate me and attempt to poke holes in my argument. Ironically enough, despite the fact that you clearly invested a good deal of time into writing this diatribe, you didn't bother to respond to what started this in the first place. Quite sad really.

This 'debate' was never about whose car looks better... which car is faster... who has more comfortable seats...who has better looking wheels... or any of that BS you tried to make it into. I merely disagreed with your point that there wasn't any discernable differences between the GTI & MS3's interior quality. Does that automatically mean that I think the MS3's interior is crap? LOL In your mixed up reality it does.... but in the real world, comparing the cars is like comparing a lamborghini & a ferrari. (relatively speaking of course) Both are great cars and are better (and worse) in certain areas. Tha'ts all we have here. Just like the Lambo/Ferrari comparison.... some will like the looks of one car better than the other. In the end, however, certain facts are undisputable. Which car is faster? Well, that's easy! Just put them through a series of tests to figure it out. What car handles better? Easy as well... same sort of thing. Which car has a higher quality interior? Hmm... Alright, maybe we can't run em on a 1/4 mile track or skidpad but there are still plenty of tests that can be run to determine (hands down) which car is the winner here.

Sorry "guy" but your attempt to pump my argument full of lead only left you with a.... umm... lead foot. haha Which, I suppose, is fitting since you've got yourself a pretty sweet ride.

In closing... I'm going to ignore your personal insults and basically chalk them up to your being frustrated with the fact that you were outmatched. Since I've (basically) said everything I have to say.... I'll continue my pissing contest in the woods rather than on your... haha j/k

[CHICO2003]

Originally Posted by jtom
The wrx is an aging platform but I would take it over the MS3. AWD is too much for me to pass up. While the interior is nothing special, I personally like the minimalist feel.

The GTI is not comparable to the MS3 in quality. The GTI's interior and exterior is much higher quality then the MS3. All you have to do is look at both of them and the difference is very apparent. Im not saying the MS3 quality is bad but you cant compare it to a GTI.



Sorry guy but you can compare the two. What it boils down to is a difference in opinion and what the buyer is looking for. The interior on the VW is only better if you opt for the leather seats. VW's leather is a better quality leather and that's it. If you opt for standard cloth interior the MS3 seats are equal to the VW. In reference to the exterior, the MS3 and Gti are equal in quality and fitment but the MS3 walks on the Gti for appearance. They are very comparable cars minus the performance. That's like saying "well you cannot compare the Gti with the MS3 because everyone knows VW's have a but load of electrical problems, so VW's are junk." Come on, they are both nice cars and it's all about what your looking for. I can tell you, I have owned a handfull of VW's in my days and this is my first Mazda and I'm very impressed with the entire car not just from a performance mindset either.


JTom said the interior of the GTI is of higher quality than the MS3 and you disagreed. I merely backed up his point.

[clos561]

take it to the dealer my car was having the same problem, they fixed it all!
yea man i took it to the dealer day after it started...driving around this rental sentra is good ftm, good mpg and no miles on my car (sept for the fucks driving my car at the dealer)

[MS6mike]

lol just remember to breake the tranny in before you go out racing again.

[voiceKoil]

The wrx is an aging platform but I would take it over the MS3. AWD is too much for me to pass up. While the interior is nothing special, I personally like the minimalist feel.

The GTI is not comparable to the MS3 in quality. The GTI's interior and exterior is much higher quality then the MS3. All you have to do is look at both of them and the difference is very apparent. Im not saying the MS3 quality is bad but you cant compare it to a GTI.


ha ha, ever sat in both of them? theres only a couple little things, one touch windows on each side, lighted mirrors, they have fancy jacks, and a full size spare, WOW.... THEY STILL HAVENT CHANGED THEIR STUPID KNOB SYSTEM FOR SEATS! Thats soo annoying! It honestly cracks me when I hear people say that the quality is SOOO much better, honestly their nothing special. The leather interior on the Vw is sexy though, but I didnt opt for that on my speed nor would I with the gti, leathers overrated...



Cars the ms3 can hang with. WELL

I walked on a LS1 camaro from a 35 roll, took a 350z on the freeway, took an R32 on the freeway, took a wrx on the freeway, the list goes on, and that was just with a K&n filter, the cars are def quick...

[MS6mike]

i hate that knob system for seats what are they thinking?

[clos561]

lol just remember to breake the tranny in before you go out racing again.
yea i know, im gona take it easy a few hundred miles before i start stompin the gas again

[CHICO2003]

i hate that knob system for seats what are they thinking?

no doubt... european cars are generally pretty quirky though so I'm sure that's part of it. I'm willing to bet some engineer determined that the lever system was more prone to breaking (which actually makes sense). It's a shame they didn't put the same level of thought into their electrical system though.

[Scott]

I walked on a LS1 camaro from a 35 roll

You sure he was racing?

[Micah]

I've got a stock 350Z and a modded WRX, if any MS3 owners in NJ want to compare just hit me with a PM.

[bustanut]

the gti is more expensive and has less power. Also does it have lsd? Anyways this is the main reason i personally made the easy choice of the ms3.

Also just because u race a random person that u dont actually talk to doesnt mean that ur car is faster. For example just a couple of days ago i was racing a Ws6 and took him from 70-110 3 times in a row. Figuring that we raced a couple times and that i knew he was trying by the fact of the sound and that we would both take off at the same time i knew it was a race for a 100%. But using my head i can obviously realize that he was just having fun and enjoying pushing his car a little bit. He was racing, but safe racing. Theres no way my car can take a ws6 especially on the freeway.
The best race ive had so far on the freeway was a nice rsx type S. 3 different drops from about 55-100. Took all 3 times but the 3rd race it was close but i pulled on him the whole way

[zoom-zoomhatch]

I walked on a LS1 camaro from a 35 roll

I'm not sure about walked but I beat an ls1 z28, not sure what year and I'm pretty sure stock. I have the ets intercooler, cp-e intake, and awr rear mount and from a stop I only put like a half car on him but they can be beat, and I also got a 350Z on the highway.

[Karma_hunden]

I've got a stock 350Z and a modded WRX, if any MS3 owners in NJ want to compare just hit me with a PM.

hey, whats your 1/4 mile time with your current mods on the WRX?

[bustanut]

also i guess vw is gonna start making the r32 again but not to mention the price tag i was told it will only be available as an automatic

[knowledge007]

Well just for the record, i pulled in a vr6 and toyed with a civic late early 90's that wan't stock. After pulling away on him 2 times the Gti guy figured out he didn't have a chance and gave me a thumbs up after. The civic, well I don't have to tell you how that ended up. All I did was keep pullin on his ass in 3rd while smoke came out is aftermarket exhaust and then finally passed on the right and took off... Don't know why I did that, I usually don't mess with crapy ass civics but hey I was in the mood this morning to burn some gas.

[speedi3]

I was a stop light on a 2 lane hwy. A 745i pulls to the side of me and begins inching forward as if to beat me to my lane on a 2 lane hwy! My wife who HATES speeding said "let'em have it". I was ready then!

All that he had was the emgerency lane, with no fn emergency. So after dusted him I let him pass. He was in my bumper when I slow'd down but it was no race.

[Micah]

hey, whats your 1/4 mile time with your current mods on the WRX?
It's up there in my sig - did you miss it? That was last year on the slipping clutch. I revmatch and generally drive pretty smooth, the clutch only slipped at high rpms so I waited quite a while to replace it. I honestly could have waited another 5-10k from the looks of the clutch when it came out on Saturday. That 14.0 run was me trying to launch the car off the line, the clutch slipping and not launching at all, then me just driving it as fast as I could down the track. My 60' time was terrible.

Reaction Time - .705
60' - 2.501
330 - 6.315
1/8 - 9.339
MPH - 82.57
1000 - 11.897
1/4 - 14.089
MPH - 103.01

Car weighed 3380 lbs(per scale at track)

New clutch has a little over 400 miles on it right now. Grippy as hell. First 200 miles was clutch chatter on engagement like crazy - but now it's much less. Looking forward to seeing how I do at the track next time. I'm expecting mid 13's, though from my cars mods I should be running at least a low 13 if not a mid-to-high 12. I'm still working on the "driver mod". (lol2)

[M3_Zoom]

also i guess vw is gonna start making the r32 again but not to mention the price tag i was told it will only be available as an automatic

The R32 is SUPER NICE however, 0 - 60 = 6.4 for lots of $$$ and AWD. I would expect it to at least compete with the WRX or EVO dollar for dollar in bone stock form. If they were as fast as they sound, we'd all be in trouble.

[Micah]

The R32 is SUPER NICE however, 0 - 60 = 6.4 for lots of $$$ and AWD. I would expect it to at least compete with the WRX or EVO dollar for dollar in bone stock form. If they were as fast as they sound, we'd all be in trouble.

$7000 gives a complete kit (http://www.eiptuning.com/eip/r32_turbo_stage_01.html) -450bhp/411btq

I've talked with quite a few modded VW owners at Englishtown racetrack - no shortage of people running 12s with modded R32's.

[M3_Zoom]

$7000 gives a complete kit (http://www.eiptuning.com/eip/r32_turbo_stage_01.html) -450bhp/411btq

I've talked with quite a few modded VW owners at Englishtown racetrack - no shortage of people running 12s with modded R32's.

Are you kidding me. $7000 on top of what you pay at the dealer. That's why I originally said "dollar for dollar in stock showroom form." To purchase an R32 then dump $7000 for those numbers, well I guess that comes down to personal preference. Personally for me I can't see spending that on top of what it would cost to purchase the car. Dump $7000 into an EVO or STI and let me know what you have. See where I'm going with this...

I'm not trying to argue because the R32 is nothing short of awesome and I'm sure they can run in the 12's, but what I was stating was, bone stock in original form from the dealer paying that kind of money in my opinion it should run faster and put down larger numbers, thats all.

For me personally with what these super 4 cylinder cars are costing now-a-days if I told my wife I was dumping $7000 into say my MS3 or an R32 for that matter, she would shot me! Now if I said I was putting $7000 into my Z06 she would probably ask me on what. Everyone has there limits and that just happens to be mine. A supercharger or turbo on my vette sure sounds nice!

[Micah]

Stock the car is 250/236 - MSRP of $7k for a gain of 200hp/175tq with a preprogrammed ECU from an established company is not a bad deal. I've spent over 8k in mods and a little over 4k on labor - it's simply a matter of what you can justify. There's a guy over on the WRX forums with an APS TT Corvette - 700hp/640tq - MSRP is $10k on the kit!

Work the math on percentages and see which kit has higher gains per dollar if you feel like it. The R32 is a very nice car inside and out. Fit and finish are leagues above my WRX. The R32 has a very nice AWD system and a 6-speed DSG Auto - that alone justifies the price of the car.

[speed3shon]

very nice awd does not go along with haldex...

the quattro2 found in the longitudinal vw/audis is much better than haldex found in the transverse engines...

[M3_Zoom]

Stock the car is 250/236 - MSRP of $7k for a gain of 200hp/175tq with a preprogrammed ECU from an established company is not a bad deal. I've spent over 8k in mods and a little over 4k on labor - it's simply a matter of what you can justify. There's a guy over on the WRX forums with an APS TT Corvette - 700hp/640tq - MSRP is $10k on the kit!

Work the math on percentages and see which kit has higher gains per dollar if you feel like it. The R32 is a very nice car inside and out. Fit and finish are leagues above my WRX. The R32 has a very nice AWD system and a 6-speed DSG Auto - that alone justifies the price of the car.


"I'm not trying to argue because the R32 is nothing short of awesome" is exactly what I just said a few times. So where your coming on your second paragraph, I don't quite know.

In reference to your first paragraph you said it yourself "it's simply a matter of what you can justify." For me I would spend $10k for a kit on my vette before putting $10K into my MS3, that's all.

Now bringing this back to what I was originally saying which was DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR IN FACTORY BONE STOCK FORM and paying that amount for an R32, I would expect it to compete with the STI or EVO right out of the box, no more no less. Yes I know you can do lots with VW's, I use to race an 84 Gti and a 76 Scirroco which back then had everything that ABD, Techtonics Tuning and many others had to offer. So I'm very aware of what's out there for the VW's. (drinks)

*edit* understand I'm not trying to argue wether the R32 is worthy or not. I can't say it enough how awesome the car is.

[MX6toMS3]

I thought the coolest thing was that it could keep up with (or beat!) my boss's 2005 BMW M3.
The MS3 has less HP, but more torque, and about the same 1/4 mile time.

When I get my MS3, maybe I'll get to find out :D

And all for half the price.

[Micah]

In my second paragraph I was justifying the cost of the kit for the VW.


Are you kidding me. $7000 on top of what you pay at the dealer. Did I read this wrong? I thought you were disparaging the $7k kit. If I read that wrong - please accept my apologies in advance, and I'll thank you in advance for your explanation.

Look at the cost of the Corvette TT kit and check the ratio of hp and tq percentage gained : dollar. Taking an engine and almost doubling it's power is pretty solid.

I can't really agree on the comparison stock for stock - to make 250hp N/A is a bit more intense than F/I - then there is the DSG gearbox, braking distance of 108ft (60-0), and skidpad of .89. They are solid built and designed cars. Check this article:

http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroadtests/8413/volkswagen-r32.html

This is written before the car was given a DSG. The short summary of the article is that this is the gentlemans version of the boy racer car. The r32 is a car you don't have to worry about Johnny Law/Jimmy Ricer/Jackie Racer messing with you over. You can drive it tame, or you can take it out for a fun run. The tuning potential of the car is huge. (Granted, you can say the same thing about the EVO, and marginally the STI.) But they don't have the DSG(perfectly timed computer controlled shifts are nice - personally I prefer to "row my own", but I have alot of respect for the DSG gearbox). Yes, the r32 is a little slower - but the overall experience of the car is sound. The STI is a little slower than the EVO, has less tuning potential than the EVO(barring the new EVO X with it's MIVEC - can't wait to see how that goes), but the STI and EVO are constantly considered the benchmark for econo-rockets.

[speedi3]

I thought the coolest thing was that it could keep up with (or beat!) my boss's 2005 BMW M3.
The MS3 has less HP, but more torque, and about the same 1/4 mile time.

When I get my MS3, maybe I'll get to find out :D

And all for half the price.


Now that's whats up. Running with some of these more expensive cars handing them their hat... That was my primary reason for purchasing this car.

[CHICO2003]

THAT was your primary reason for buying the car? LOL dude.... you could have bought a friggin 91 civic with a monster turbo for 1/3 the price and pissed all over these cars.

haha j/k but not really

[CHICO2003]

Now bringing this back to what I was originally saying which was DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR IN FACTORY BONE STOCK FORM and paying that amount for an R32, I would expect it to compete with the STI or EVO right out of the box, no more no less. Yes I know you can do lots with VW's, I use to race an 84 Gti and a 76 Scirroco which back then had everything that ABD, Techtonics Tuning and many others had to offer. So I'm very aware of what's out there for the VW's.




lmao here we go again. why is everone so enamored with straight line speed? I have a friend who's so obsessed with what cars do in a 0-60 it's actually quite pathetic. Anywayz, believe it or not, there ARE other reasons to buy a car.

A base 3 series probably costs about the same (or more) as an STI or EVO. Does THAT driver expect it to compete with those cars "right out of the box"? My point is, some people value other things more (like fit & finish, prestige factor, upgradability, etc.) more than how many seconds C&D was able to get the car up to 60 under perfect conditions. That test is such BS to begin with because who in their right mind is doing burnouts on a regular basis? I think I did it once... just for the sake of it... within the past 4 years of owning my MSP. Since I obviously planned on keeping it a while, I didn't feel like sending her to an early grave. A more 'practical' test for people to consider would be the 10-50 or whatever types... Since those are what most people are doing on a fairly regular basis.

But I digress.... For what it's worth, I hate the last gen R32. Mainly because I can't stand the body style. I dig the styling of the new version (bout time VW got it right) so hopefully the new one will be a winner.

[Mocoso]

You can double the HP on a 250 HP car but as a general rule they wont end up performing like a car with 500 HP stock - 0-60 of course... but unless you upgrade suspension, brakes, cooling, in some cases gearbox these modded beasts wont show as well in lap times.. for the street their reliability long term will be compromised as well....

Im still amazed this thread is going.. and going... and going...

[speedi3]

THAT was your primary reason for buying the car? LOL dude.... you could have bought a friggin 91 civic with a monster turbo for 1/3 the price and pissed all over these cars.

haha j/k but not really


(fu)

[clos561]

who really wants to drive around in a 91 civic?(ricer)

[Micah]

You can double the HP on a 250 HP car but as a general rule they wont end up performing like a car with 500 HP stock - 0-60 of course... but unless you upgrade suspension, brakes, cooling, in some cases gearbox these modded beasts wont show as well in lap times.. for the street their reliability long term will be compromised as well....

Im still amazed this thread is going.. and going... and going...

I'm sorry, but your argument is flawed. Unless I am reading that wrong, but it sounds like you are making the assumption that someone who chooses to upgrade their engines performance is not going to invest in other areas(braking, suspension) as well. However, I definitely agree with you on the reliability factor being compromised.

Yes, I'm sure some people just do the engine(I'd call them tools, or strapped for cash), and hey - if that's all they want, fine. But many people choose to work their way around the car with upgrades. Hell, the first thing I did on my WRX was the brakes, followed by flashing to stage 1, then intake piping and uppipe, then TBE and pulley and engine/trans mounts and flashing to stage 2, then suspension - c/o's rear bar and endlinks, then turbo and fuel(injectors/pump) - flashed to 2.5. I'm probably missing a few steps in there. My point is some people enjoy modding. Had I started with an STI/EVO - I'd be leaving my car in the dust with the same money invested. But - alot of people that I find on the roads haven't done much to their cars - I can't even begin to count how many people I've pulled on with stock(and stockish) STI/EVO. Seems most people just do Intake/Exhaust mods and never do anything about tuning. I couldn't begin to count how many people I've seen with CAI/BOV(OMG!)/Catback/ and a set of springs- who think their car is done. In many cases the CAI/BOV can actually cause issues with MAF readings, and while a CBE can add a little bit of power, they are mostly noisemakers. Tuning is key. If you can't do a standalone, piggybacks work - just be damned sure you've got it right. When the factory ECU sees something the piggyback is supposed to be covering - the ECU will try to correct - and that usually turns into a problem.

I am looking forward to playing with a MS3, I'm expecting a better run than the MS6. Both are nice cars, but the MS6 is a bit more upscale than racer. My friend Sean has one and it's REALLY nice. My WRX is a loud ass rattlebox compared to his car. One of my co-workers is currently deciding between a used 350Z or a new MS3. I brought my Z to work and let him drive it and he loved it, but I told him to go drive the MS3 before he makes up his mind. I like the MS3, hell I want to drive it myself. Drove the Z yesterday so he could check it out, but I need to get more miles on my new clutch in the WRX so I'll likely be driving that for the next few days.

Oh and here is something that you wouldn't expect. I'm starting to actually prefer driving the Z in the rain. It's stock, has traction control, and is just easier to drive compared to the WRX which has a nasty habit of breaking the tires loose. That and in a common situation where one side of the car finds it's way into a long puddle, I think it's better to have RWD than AWD. Yes the AWD recovers better, but the RWD doesn't pull as hard towards the puddle. I love both my cars, and honestly don't drive either as hard as I could. I'd rather go from a 20-30mph roll than from a dig. My WRX has the notoriously weak trans by reputation, though I've never had a problem with it.

And now I'm just rambling. Time for me to shower and head to work.

[Karma_hunden]

It's up there in my sig - did you miss it? That was last year on the slipping clutch. I revmatch and generally drive pretty smooth, the clutch only slipped at high rpms so I waited quite a while to replace it. I honestly could have waited another 5-10k from the looks of the clutch when it came out on Saturday. That 14.0 run was me trying to launch the car off the line, the clutch slipping and not launching at all, then me just driving it as fast as I could down the track. My 60' time was terrible.

Reaction Time - .705
60' - 2.501
330 - 6.315
1/8 - 9.339
MPH - 82.57
1000 - 11.897
1/4 - 14.089
MPH - 103.01

Car weighed 3380 lbs(per scale at track)

New clutch has a little over 400 miles on it right now. Grippy as hell. First 200 miles was clutch chatter on engagement like crazy - but now it's much less. Looking forward to seeing how I do at the track next time. I'm expecting mid 13's, though from my cars mods I should be running at least a low 13 if not a mid-to-high 12. I'm still working on the "driver mod". (lol2)

Cool, sorry, didnt see the sig, it doesnt show up when you arent logged in, i logged when i hit reply to your post. Still wouldve ask cuz you cant tell whether the time is from the Z or the WRX. But yeah, its hard, there are days where you CANNOT get passed mid 13s and there are days when you are hitting the 12s easy. Just depends.

Ya need to work on that 60ft...2.5 for an AWD WRX is nasty. Im sure you can hit low 13s at least.

I personally, am starting to like more RWD. Nobody races you from a dig. AWD is awesome but I think it just puts too much strain on the tranny since you cant peel off. We had a bad experience yesterday at the track with the AWD. Let just say we had one FWD Speed6 at the end of the night. The good thing is, that we got to ride 80 miles on top of a flat bed IN the car! totally awesome and illegal. We also broke the 12s btw. That was MS6Mike car that is now fucked and trying to see how we fix the drivetrain. (see more of this in the MS6 forum)

[CHICO2003]

who really wants to drive around in a 91 civic?(ricer)


well THAT was my point all along! If someone's "primary reason" for buying a car is to simply beat other, higher priced cars... then they should just get the cheapeast/fastest car they can get... since they obviously don't care about much else.

Obviously I was making a joke... clearly it went over like a lead balloon.

[CHICO2003]

(fu)
that's not even worth a comment... but regardless, right back at ya!

[acidbbg]

I am still in the decision making process and gathering as much info on this car as possible.

I am just curious at to what this car can hang with on the streets? Both off the line and from a roll?

Any comparisons would be great if you have some time to let me know. Thanks!

The mazdaspeed3 is quick..it should be able to beat up on older mustang gt's, rx8's, g35's, stock vw's unless they modded. Most late model wrx's from a roll but obviously not from a dig.

from a roll a stock mz3 should be able to keep up with a stock sti but not evo.

I think stock for stock that from a roll a mz3 should be able to outrun a mazdaspeed6 but from a dig AWD RULES! I heard the torque steer off the line is morbid (mz3).

Car's you shouldn't bother racing:
m3, m5, evo8, srt-4, & new mustang gt's.

Quality wise mazda truly does provide a better overal package when you factor in things like 18" rims and turbo disi, lsd, leather, navi etc.

[Karma_hunden]

mustang gts are doable. They arent that fast unless modified. SRT4s are modified by this time.

[clos561]

well THAT was my point all along! If someone's "primary reason" for buying a car is to simply beat other, higher priced cars... then they should just get the cheapeast/fastest car they can get... since they obviously don't care about much else.

Obviously I was making a joke... clearly it went over like a lead balloon.
im not a dum fuck... that was a sarcastic remark i made and it CLEARY went over like a lead ballon....dont take me for a fool...

[adamsredms3]

lmao here we go again. why is everone so enamored with straight line speed? I have a friend who's so obsessed with what cars do in a 0-60 it's actually quite pathetic. Anywayz, believe it or not, there ARE other reasons to buy a car.

The most 100%, dead on comment anyone has made in all 11 pages of this thread.

[Mocoso]

I'm sorry, but your argument is flawed. Unless I am reading that wrong, but it sounds like you are making the assumption that someone who chooses to upgrade their engines performance is not going to invest in other areas(braking, suspension) as well. However, I definitely agree with you on the reliability factor being compromised....

No I wasnt making the assumption that all those who upgrade the engine dont do the other stuff. I was just trying to make the point to those that think HP/Torque alone is everything that upgrading just the engine alone to say 500 HP isnt going to make you perform in the same league as a 500 HP factory car. Hence my "unless you upgrade other stuff" comment....

I think we are on the same page

[chaos4]

I'm not sure about walked but I beat an ls1 z28, not sure what year and I'm pretty sure stock. I have the ets intercooler, cp-e intake, and awr rear mount and from a stop I only put like a half car on him but they can be beat, and I also got a 350Z on the highway.
I believe you could beat an LS1. I had no problem pulling one on the straights at Watkins Glen a few weeks back. All he (and a normally aspirated 911 driver) could say was "what has that thing got under the hood?"(gossip)

[FRUCTOSE]

from a roll a stock mz3 should be able to keep up with a stock sti but not evo.

I think stock for stock that from a roll a mz3 should be able to outrun a mazdaspeed6 but from a dig AWD RULES! I heard the torque steer off the line is morbid (mz3).

Car's you shouldn't bother racing:
m3, m5, evo8, srt-4, & new mustang gt's.



I will disagree with the Evo statement either VIII or IX. I have beat both from 40 and 60 rolls many times. Once the srt-4's get stage 2. Then they can beat a stock MS3 easily. But I assume The MS3 will be just as fast if not faster mod for mod. Yes the MS3 is fwd so don't even bother racing from a stop, only roll. It's easier on your car and doesn't draw attention as much. I had modded GSX and it ran low 12's, I learned one thing really quick. Racing from a stop is great but stuff breaks with that much power. So I started going from a roll and it shows how much power the car has not so much on driving skill.

[MS6mike]

I will disagree with the Evo statement either VIII or IX. I have beat both from 40 and 60 rolls many times. Once the srt-4's get stage 2. Then they can beat a stock MS3 easily. But I assume The MS3 will be just as fast if not faster mod for mod. Yes the MS3 is fwd so don't even bother racing from a stop, only roll. It's easier on your car and doesn't draw attention as much. I had modded GSX and it ran low 12's, I learned one thing really quick. Racing from a stop is great but stuff breaks with that much power. So I started going from a roll and it shows how much power the car has not so much on driving skill.



yeap could not said it any better! i ran a 12.85 but broke the rear diff bracket and one of the axles!

[speedi3]

The mazdaspeed3 is quick..it should be able to beat up on older mustang gt's, rx8's, g35's, stock vw's unless they modded. Most late model wrx's from a roll but obviously not from a dig.

from a roll a stock mz3 should be able to keep up with a stock sti but not evo.

I think stock for stock that from a roll a mz3 should be able to outrun a mazdaspeed6 but from a dig AWD RULES! I heard the torque steer off the line is morbid (mz3).

Car's you shouldn't bother racing:
m3, m5, evo8, srt-4, & new mustang gt's.

Quality wise mazda truly does provide a better overal package when you factor in things like 18" rims and turbo disi, lsd, leather, navi etc.



I know this will sound like BS BUT I had(or at least even) a modded Cobra from a rolling 70. we got up to 130 he back off. I think he had some kinda of button or NOS or something because when he came back and we tried again from a rolling 70 I had nothing... he left me like i was standing still. He also ask if I was stock after fact.... That was shortly after the CAI and no other mods. His question alone told me MS3 has some major potential. (rockon)

[TheDutchGun]

I know this will sound like BS BUT I had(or at least even) a modded Cobra from a rolling 70. we got up to 130 he back off. I think he had some kinda of button or NOS or something because when he came back and we tried again from a rolling 70 I had nothing... he left me like i was standing still. He also ask if I was stock after fact.... That was shortly after the CAI and no other mods. His question alone told me MS3 has some major potential. (rockon)

Cobras are not to be fucked with, especially Terminators (03-04). Forged everything, possibly the most complete Mustang Motor of all time and so easy to mod.

[speedi3]

Cobras are not to be fucked with, especially Terminators (03-04). Forged everything, possibly the most complete Mustang Motor of all time and so easy to mod.

I hear you. And he was probably being gracious to me but we had fun... And I took his comment as a compliment from the most complete Mustang Motor of all time that is so easy to mod.... :cool:

[knowledge007]

sorry to say but I ahve taken an m3, m5, srt4 depending what stage there at, and a thew newer gt's. matter of fact I took one in first gear he switched to second and i wasn't even ready to switch to second and I was pulling away...

[Micah]

<~~~ goes looking for his boots and shovel

[M3_Zoom]

yeap could not said it any better! i ran a 12.85 but broke the rear diff bracket and one of the axles!


It amazes me how fast folks are to say "oh no way, I'm calling BS on that, theres no possible way a MS3 or MS6 can do that." Umm, go talk to some of these aftermarket companies that easily welcomed the MS3 & MS6 into there inventory. The top companies out there will tell you, it has lots of potential. Currently there's a TOP company that's yet to even be mentioned and they have many products under development. Without saying to much when they release there products, complimented with others under development as well, move over. Sure the EVO's, Sti's, R32's (AWD) cars for the most part will beat a MS3 off the line but that's it. Some of you said it yourself, it's not all about 0-60 or straight line driving. OK, hit a road course and watch. I know for a fact there are many products to come for the MS3 and in time, just like the EVO's, Sti's, SRT-4's, Gti's etc. had to wait, our wait will make the MS3 one of the top FWD turbo'd cars to own. People rant and rave over the SRT-4 and interestingly enough, I had a 2004 SRT-4. I got rid of it because I hated the interior, it rattled like hell and was just a noisy car, but that's me personally. Sure some of you can come back and say well I have or had an SRT-4 and it never rattled but my MS3 rattles. You have that right, but I have yet to have the first rattle or noise in my MS3 so, so what. Is the SRT-4 fast, hell yes when you modify it, but do you think the modifications they have available to them today are the same when that car was released in 2003, NO! They didn't even have a CAI ready yet alone much else. Just like with the MS3 it's easy for anyone to say at this point "no way" because face it, we really don't have much YET! Wait until the beast is figured out just like the EVO, Sti's, SRT-4's, Gti's etc. They all had and still have issues but for the most part are worked out and very minimal. Come back in a few years when the aftermarket is flooded with slot-car handling and go fast parts and see what your opinion is then. Out of the box these cars do extremely well both in handling and straight line performance. The handling in OEM form reminds me of an 84 Gti I use to race and it had thousands of dollars into the suspension. Maybe I should go home and say "hey MS3 why aren't you as fast as the Z06 Vette sitting next to you?" That's honestly how silly some of you get. Sometimes I think folks honestly don't see things this way or even consider it. They think, oh man that car is suppose to be faster than anything and it sucks. Like I said after the MS3 or MS6 is given the same amount of attention on perfomance, suspension and tuning by the aftermarket world, come back and we can compare notes. Until then be open minded just like you would on any new turbo'd car out there.

[TheDutchGun]

It amazes me how fast folks are to say "oh no way, I'm calling BS on that, theres no possible way a MS3 or MS6 can do that." Umm, go talk to some of these aftermarket companies that easily welcomed the MS3 & MS6 into there inventory. The top companies out there will tell you, it has lots of potential. Currently there's a TOP company that's yet to even be mentioned and they have many products under development. Without saying to much when they release there products, complimented with others under development as well, move over. Sure the EVO's, Sti's, R32's (AWD) cars for the most part will beat a MS3 off the line but that's it. Some of you said it yourself, it's not all about 0-60 or straight line driving. OK, hit a road course and watch. I know for a fact there are many products to come for the MS3 and in time, just like the EVO's, Sti's, SRT-4's, Gti's etc. had to wait, our wait will make the MS3 one of the top FWD turbo'd cars to own. People rant and rave over the SRT-4 and interestingly enough, I had a 2004 SRT-4. I got rid of it because I hated the interior, it rattled like hell and was just a noisy car, but that's me personally. Sure some of you can come back and say well I have or had an SRT-4 and it never rattled but my MS3 rattles. You have that right, but I have yet to have the first rattle or noise in my MS3 so, so what. Is the SRT-4 fast, hell yes when you modify it, but do you think the modifications they have available to them today are the same when that car was released in 2003, NO! They didn't even have a CAI ready yet alone much else. Just like with the MS3 it's easy for anyone to say at this point "no way" because face it, we really don't have much YET! Wait until the beast is figured out just like the EVO, Sti's, SRT-4's, Gti's etc. They all had and still have issues but for the most part are worked out and very minimal. Come back in a few years when the aftermarket is flooded with slot-car handling and go fast parts and see what your opinion is then. Out of the box these cars do extremely well both in handling and straight line performance. The handling in OEM form reminds me of an 84 Gti I use to race and it had thousands of dollars into the suspension. Maybe I should go home and say "hey MS3 why aren't you as fast as the Z06 Vette sitting next to you?" That's honestly how silly some of you get. Sometimes I think folks honestly don't see things this way or even consider it. They think, oh man that car is suppose to be faster than anything and it sucks. Like I said after the MS3 or MS6 is given the same amount of attention on perfomance, suspension and tuning by the aftermarket world, come back and we can compare notes. Until then be open minded just like you would on any new turbo'd car out there.

The MS3's potential goes only as far as FWD will take it. I think most people agree that when getting up into the higher power and torque numbers, putting all the responsibility on the front of the car is less than ideal. If an MS3 owner's plan is to create a tight handling, 300 hp touring car, then the MS3 is perfect. If the intention is a 400 hp monster, there are much better platforms out there.

[M3_Zoom]

The MS3's potential goes only as far as FWD will take it. I think most people agree that when getting up into the higher power and torque numbers, putting all the responsibility on the front of the car is less than ideal. If an MS3 owner's plan is to create a tight handling, 300 hp touring car, then the MS3 is perfect. If the intention is a 400 hp monster, there are much better platforms out there.

I agree (headbang)

[SwampAss]

Hell, there are better 300hp platforms out there. :)

[knowledge007]

well considering this...next on the list is the upgraded tmic and then the cpe tunning solution so I can bump up the turbo to 19 to 22 psi. And then a new list starts for the suspension. Hopefully I will have close to 400 hp with of course either the welding the lsd or hopefully upgrading the lsd when I am finished with this beast.

[SwampAss]

I thought we boosted @ just under 16psi

[knowledge007]

we do swamp...but i want more!!!!!!!

[TheDutchGun]

well considering this...next on the list is the upgraded tmic and then the cpe tunning solution so I can bump up the turbo to 19 to 22 psi. And then a new list starts for the suspension. Hopefully I will have close to 400 hp with of course either the welding the lsd or hopefully upgrading the lsd when I am finished with this beast.

Then I commend you for being able to handle that much power at the front wheels. I think for most people its an accident waiting to happen.

With my very limited knowledge of automotive history, front wheel drive seems to have come into common use in line with various oil crunches of the past. Kind of seems to me like it was a cheaper way to produce lower powered cars with better fuel economy. Almost no "performance cars" in history were produced on FWD platforms.

Once again, my history knowledge is not the best.

[knowledge007]

trust me I do know where you are coming from Dutch, as the more power I put into this beast the more torque steer I get. But that should die down a bit once I start on the suspension. But yes, I would not recommend a car like this with mods I have and the mods I have in store for the future to an average joe who hasn't had the experience most of us have had behind the wheel of any beast...

[GoFast]

The MS3's potential goes only as far as FWD will take it. I think most people agree that when getting up into the higher power and torque numbers, putting all the responsibility on the front of the car is less than ideal. If an MS3 owner's plan is to create a tight handling, 300 hp touring car, then the MS3 is perfect. If the intention is a 400 hp monster, there are much better platforms out there.

i sorta agree with you here, but at the same time, sorta dont. Is the MS3 really perfect for a 300hp tight handling monster? depends! According to all the magazine "experts" the corvette and Porshe are the best handling cars out there. and they are rear wheel drive. so is front wheel drive perfect for that? who knows. but some might say it is. I have done several autocross' in the last couple of years and consistantly see an sts older crx blow the doors off of a ton of cars that with the perfect driver, should never be able to touch! the vette, porsche and lotus are just a few to name! but thats autocross...

if you want to look at drag racing, there are cars that are fwd that will kill most rwd cars and visa versa.

My point is that its all a drivers game. i pulled an srt-4 with my focus svt but never should have according to the experts! maybe if the srt-4 had someone that knew how to drive it, there woulda been a different story.

I used to race ccs motorcycles and i raced 600cc gsxrs. but yet i ran better times than alot of 1000s could. does it mean that its because i had a faster bike? nope, i was 60hp less! but i knew lines and techniques better. but thats not to say that some guys on a little 250cc couldnt whoop my ass just the same!

so the question of what cars can the ms3 run with....simple! all of them!..................with the right and/or wrong driver

[SwampAss]

I used to race ccs motorcycles and i raced 600cc gsxrs. but yet i ran better times than alot of 1000s could. does it mean that its because i had a faster bike? nope, i was 60hp less! but i knew lines and techniques better. but thats not to say that some guys on a little 250cc couldnt whoop my ass just the same!

so the question of what cars can the ms3 run with....simple! all of them!..................with the right and/or wrong driver



Rotational mass of 1000ccs has a huge negative affect on the handling dynamics of a motorcycle. High HP bikes also unsettle mid corner much more easily when throttle is applied due to the amount of torque.

I used to support a friend (pit bitch) who raced CCS Expert.

[GoFast]

Rotational mass of 1000ccs has a huge negative affect on the handling dynamics of a motorcycle. High HP bikes also unsettle mid corner much more easily when throttle is applied due to the amount of torque.

I used to support a friend (pit bitch) who raced CCS Expert.
yep you are absolutly correct. but does that mean that a 1000cc bike cant beat a 600cc bike?

and thats awesome that you supported your freind!! without pit bitches racing would be a bitch lol

[M3_Zoom]

well considering this...next on the list is the upgraded tmic and then the cpe tunning solution so I can bump up the turbo to 19 to 22 psi. And then a new list starts for the suspension. Hopefully I will have close to 400 hp with of course either the welding the lsd or hopefully upgrading the lsd when I am finished with this beast.


I'm a full supporter of this car but as I agreed earlier that the platform is perfect for a 300HP road course racer, if you intend to push the car to a 400HP street hunter, yes it's possible but you will need to do more than weld the lsd. At 400HP your tranny internals will need attention not to mention cluth, half-shafts and that's to say the least. I obviously don't need to remind you about the large amount of torque are cars make so keep that in mind as well.

Remember, I fully support this car and know it has allot of power to be untapped but, I honestly feel once it reaches 350HP dyno'd to the ground, I would be blown away to find the stock stuff holds. If I'm wrong tell me because although I have tons of experience racing, this is my first Mazda. (thumb)

[knowledge007]

lol well my hopes are to break 400 but in reality I don't think I will get there. The only things that are planned for now are the tuning solution, breakes full suspension including struts. Hopefully I will break the 350 mark to the ground and sure I will be happy. If not time for a turbo upgrade...lmao but that won't be for another 5 years at least.

[M3_Zoom]

lol well my hopes are to break 400 but in reality I don't think I will get there. The only things that are planned for now are the tuning solution, breakes full suspension including struts, and tuning solution. Hopefully I will break the 350 mark to the ground and sure I will be happy. If not time for a turbo upgrade...lmao but that won't be for another 5 years at least.

I wish you well in your endeavors! Once our PCM is "cracked" look out...

[knowledge007]

jesus can't you just hope for the best...

[Micah]

what are you using for a tuning solution currently - are you still running stock boost?

[adamsredms3]

Cars the ms3 can hang with. WELL

I walked on a LS1 camaro from a 35 roll, took a 350z on the freeway, took an R32 on the freeway, took a wrx on the freeway, the list goes on, and that was just with a K&n filter, the cars are def quick...

This BS about what cars people have beaten or think they can beat has to end. There is no measure of driver skill in any of the cars involved or if the other driver was really even trying to race.

Its the same thing as when the SRT-4 came out. Its like there is something to prove by owning a MS3. It also funny that most of these "wins" occur on public roads. A race happens on a track...period. Stop spewing about what you did from one light to another or on the local freeway. "Took this, took that"...who really gives a shit. I bet every other driver you thought you beat was like, "another asshole kid", not, "oh I better go get an MS3 so I can be like him someday"

If you really want people to be impressed with you and/or your cars ability, head out to Lime Rock, The Glen or whatever non 1/4 mile track that is near you and try to run and HPDE with some of those cars you have claimed to have "taken".

[Micah]

Agreed - you should never street race, and I don't either - I was just kidding. However - in a pseudo-reality where I wasn't worried about legal recompense - things would be different and I might say something along the lines of what I'll type below:
***begin pseudo stuff***
My step-brother is a cop, his uncle is Police Cheif (different towns), and I have friends who are cops, firefighters, ems. The way I look at it is this. I'm as careful as I can stand to be. Haven't hurt anyone in a long time. My first week driving, I had 3 accidents. My first year driving I sideswiped two people off the road on purpose (1979 Grand Prix - thing was a tank). Used to be a really bad driver. Many hit and run accidents. The Grand Prix was a mess electically, and turning off the headlights killed all the lights in the car and outside as well. Racked up 16 points in my first year of driving. Fortunately I did not lose my license though I could have. Most of my tickets were for speeding, wreckless driving, and blowing through stop signs but were later changed to lower fines and mostly careless driving after I was done fighting them in court. Took defensive driving courses from the state, and learned through trial and error to be a better driver. Smacked up quite a few cars in many differint ways.

Haven't had an accident in over 5 years, no points on my license and no speeding tickets. I have a decent radar detector and I don't speed for long. Have my fun, then get back down to the speed limit. Also, I DO NOT SPEED AT NIGHT. Less traffic on the road, visibility is clearly against you as cops have their lights off and we are all driving around with our cars lit up like beacons begging for it.

Yes, I break laws, honestly - most people do. If you are exceeding the speed limit, you're breaking the law. Criminals get caught because they are stupid. Minimize the amount of time you spend breaking the law and you help lower your chances of getting caught. Not saying I know it all, but I'm 30 so I'm not a kid anymore. No wife, no kids, so I'm able to be a bit irresponsible. Should I get caught - it's my legal right to defend myself. Hoping it never comes to that.

***end pseudo stuff***

Cliff's notes - don't be a bad driver, but if you can't be good - be good at it

[knowledge007]

what are you using for a tuning solution currently - are you still running stock boost?

nothing waiting for cpe's. Running stock boost.

[FRUCTOSE]

The track is great and is good for the 1/4 mile! But so many other things come into play! Just having fun and racing from a roll on the freeway is fun and to me less dangerous then any AWD launch I have ever done.(yes) You don't think AWD's get torque steer HAHAHA my GSX had three times the torque steer my MS3 gets. When you have those evo's, sti's and awd dsm's wave there sub 1.8 60 fts and sub 12 times @ 110mph. Then on the drive home from the track the fwd and rwd guys blow buy them and they have the same HP. FWD's are great from a roll and AWD are great from a dig=awd have better 1/4 miles. I don't know about any of you guys but time means little to me even when I had AWD it's the trap speed that matters. That is what shows HP.

[GoFast]

the track doesnt just mean a 1/4 miles ya know...

[FRUCTOSE]

My bad when I said track I ment 1/4 mile! The MS3's are great track cars and play with some of the best (under $40,000.00) and some over!

My thing is why don't they just put the MZR in the RX-8???!!!

I would pay $30,000+ for that car any day.

Can't remember what mag did the article but the RX-8 still beat up on the 2007 350Z on everything but power! Add power to the car and bamm best car ever.... lol!

[Micah]

I am pretty sure Top Gear did a comparison between the 350Z and RX-8 where they loved the Mazda and hated the Nissan. I love my Z, but the RX-8 is a very well balanced little car. My niece has one(1st car) - it's good for her since it's safe, and sporty enough to keep her happy.

[M3_Zoom]

My bad when I said track I ment 1/4 mile! The MS3's are great track cars and play with some of the best (under $40,000.00) and some over!

My thing is why don't they just put the MZR in the RX-8???!!!

I would pay $30,000+ for that car any day.

Can't remember what mag did the article but the RX-8 still beat up on the 2007 350Z on everything but power! Add power to the car and bamm best car ever.... lol!

Ummm I say turbo the RX8 like previous rotary powered Mazda's.

[speedi3]

My bad when I said track I ment 1/4 mile! The MS3's are great track cars and play with some of the best (under $40,000.00) and some over!

My thing is why don't they just put the MZR in the RX-8???!!!

I would pay $30,000+ for that car any day.

Can't remember what mag did the article but the RX-8 still beat up on the 2007 350Z on everything but power! Add power to the car and bamm best car ever.... lol!


Automobile.. Can think of the issue off hand but i remeber reading as well.

[clos561]

Ummm I say turbo the RX8 like previous rotary powered Mazda's.
wasnt there alot of reliability issues with the turbo rx's in the past?

[Micah]

wasnt there alot of reliability issues with the turbo rx's in the past?

I think the issue is more rotary related than boost related. I'm sure boost didn't help matters, but rotary engines have a history of oil consumption. When you've got an oil cooled turbo, you need to keep an eye on the oil level. Like any other engine, if you start slacking on upkeep.... bad juju.

Despite this, rotary engines still have a pretty good reputation. Yes they did have an issue with seals, but this has been resolved.

[Micah]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZFXtiKxD6Y

Not sure why they gave it to the RX8 in this video, if you listen to what the drivers say, they both say that the 350Z is the better drivers car. I like them both, ultimately I prefer my cars to be around 300hp, and the Z is closer to the mark than the RX-8. The RX-8 is good for my niece.

[zoom-zoomhatch]

but rotary engines have a history of oil consumption.

Rotary engines use oil as part of the combustion process, they mix the oil with the gas to lubricate the walls of the rotor housing.

[Micah]

Yeah, that's in the wiki article I posted. I don't care if it's standard operating procedure for the engine, the fact is needing to add a quart or two between oil changes is a bit annoying and also costly. I suppose it's as simple as checking the dipstick every few times you fill the gas tank, but still - no thanks.

[Karma_hunden]

The RX-8 is nice a fudge!! best car ever, except it is 100whp short of perfection, which totally does the opposite and makes it a crappy car. A shame.

The RX-8 was closer to the 350Z in the earlier years, but throughout development, the Z has grown, while all Mazda has done to the RX-8, is change the number of the production year...now what? you have a 07 350Z with a new 80% redesign engine that kicks 306whp/268tq till 7500rpm and increases mid range torque than the previous version to create a steady powerful powerband, yet having better millage than the others.

07 Z killed the RX-8 in a straightline and on the track in the C&D comparison test, however; for some reason, it got third place in car and driver comparison, but then again, those magazines are retarded. The RX-8 got first place, so there has to be something good with it. Zoom Zoom.

[Micah]

I think it's the overall experience of the car. The RX8 is very easy to drive - communicates well, perfectly balanced, and the rotary engine sings it's way through the rev's like an angry tenor.

The 350Z is fun to drive, but there isn't much a gradual letting go when you reach it's limits. It will pull back in line even with the TCS turned off by just letting off the throttle a bit, and you can kick the tail out by giving it a bit more meat on the go-pedal. But the transition from grip to slip is a bit scary the first few times it happens - especially compared to the RX8.

I think people chose the RX8 over the 350Z in the same manner that reviews have chosen the STI over the EVO. The EVO is a better car in performance, but the overall experience of the STI is better. Interior materials, design, all those little things add up.

[Karma_hunden]

True. How bout the S2K vs the 2007 350z? sounds like a good mach. Which one is faster around the track and on a 1/4?

[FRUCTOSE]

True. How bout the S2K vs the 2007 350z? sounds like a good mach. Which one is faster around the track and on a 1/4?

s2k's are great cars. But you still need to wind the car out to get any power, just like the RX-8. The s2k is driver friendly and much more fun to drive then any 350 I have driven. The 350 feels too bulky and just doesn't drive as smooth. When I drive a 350 it feels kinda like an f-body, not sporty just aggresive. And torquie! Not near as balanced as the s2k or RX-8. One thing the 350 does have is exhaust note!!! I would drive one just for the exhaust note, I would just have to try and forget about how much better the RX-8 feels!

[Micah]

I agree on the f-body reference. I used to have an old z28 with quite a few mods on the engine, trans, rear, and exhaust. The 350Z has a much better suspension setup, but the stance of the car, how you drive it and the torque delivery - yeah, I could see it.

FWIW

http://www.motortrend.com/av/roadtests/112_0703_2007_honda_s2000_americas_best_handling/

2003 Honda S2000 6.3 14.9 (Manual)
2004 Honda S2000 5.8 14.2 (MT Mar '04)
2006 Honda S2000 5.5 14.0 (C&D May '06)
2003 Nissan 350z 5.4 14.1 287hp/274tq
2004 Nissan 350z Roadster 5.7 14.3 287hp/274tq
2004 Nissan 350Z 5.3 13.77 (M.T. Mar '04) 287hp/274tq
2005 Nissan 350Z 35th Anniversary Edition 6 Speed 5.8 14.3 (C&D Apr '05) 300hp/260tq

[Karma_hunden]

I see. Everyone says the S2K is very fun. It has me wondering lol...i wanna drive one. However, that thing is expensive compared to the Z. You can get an 07 Z that runs (im guessing) just a bit faster than the S2K for 28K-29K, way less than the 34K price tag S2Ks have here. Plus I cant deal with that electronic tachometer/speedometer...drives me nuts just to see flashing things lol...and the speed numbers when you are going fast...55..56...59...65...69....78..wtf? lol

[Scott]

I see. Everyone says the S2K is very fun. It has me wondering lol...i wanna drive one. However, that thing is expensive compared to the Z. You can get an 07 Z that runs (im guessing) just a bit faster than the S2K for 28K-29K, way less than the 34K price tag S2Ks have here. Plus I cant deal with that electronic tachometer/speedometer...drives me nuts just to see flashing things lol...and the speed numbers when you are going fast...55..56...59...65...69....78..wtf? lol
Straight line, the Z seems to be a little quicker, because it has the torque off the line that the S2000 lacks. However, I've yet to find a 350Z that can keep up with me around a road course. Not saying that it couldn't happen. I'm simply saying that it hasn't happenned yet.

The S2000 is a blast, but you really have to focus when you want to have fun with it. If you aren't careful, you'll wind up pointed in the wrong direction real easily. But once you get the hang of it, it's a pure joy to toss around a course. In fact, the only reason I'm awake at 5:30AM is because I'm just about to head out the door to a track day up at Gainesville Raceway. Woo!

[TheDutchGun]

My bad when I said track I ment 1/4 mile! The MS3's are great track cars and play with some of the best (under $40,000.00) and some over!

My thing is why don't they just put the MZR in the RX-8???!!!

I would pay $30,000+ for that car any day.

Can't remember what mag did the article but the RX-8 still beat up on the 2007 350Z on everything but power! Add power to the car and bamm best car ever.... lol!

If they put the MZR in the RX-8 wouldn't it then become an MX-8 seeing as how it would no longer be Rotary?

[clos561]

they should just make a limited turbo or something rotary...thats y they say rx ( rotary experiment ) thats would be stupid if theychange it

[Koenig]

http://www.dragtimes.com/Mazda-3-Timeslip-10980.html


here beat this time...


That ms3 isn't stock, he's also running the gt3071R turbo upgrade.... let's keep it fair kids (hippy)

[clos561]

yea but he ran the time either way.....we were talking about times not upgrades n shit

[Koenig]

yea but he ran the time either way.....we were talking about times not upgrades n shit


you put all that stuff on a MS6.....including the drag radials and I guarantee you'll have it running UNDER that time........... stock for stock the ms6 is faster in the 1/4 (thanks to the AWD)

with all those upgrades I wouldn't doubt a ms6 could run low 12s high 11s on that setup (breakn)


oh not to mention, MS6Mike recently ran a 12.8 at the track (2thumbs)

[clos561]

what did he do to the car? never mind i found it...CP-E Standback EMS, CP-E CAI, CP-E Downpipe, CPE catback exhaust, SU engine mount AutoEXE Springs, RX8 wheels, autometer bosst gauge, greddy turbo timer, shark fin, limo tint 5% and 35% front windshield...he posted that he ran 12.85 but fucked a bunch of shit up....

[Koenig]

what did he do to the car? never mind i found it...CP-E Standback EMS, CP-E CAI, CP-E Downpipe, CPE catback exhaust, SU engine mount AutoEXE Springs, RX8 wheels, autometer bosst gauge, greddy turbo timer, shark fin, limo tint 5% and 35% front windshield...he posted that he ran 12.85 but fucked a bunch of shit up....


yeah he broke the 4 bolt mount in the rear end..... (lol2)


but still imagine if mike had the turbo upgrade, and the turbo back exhaust, and better headers, etc. etc. and a proper tune for his setup.... he might not have broke anything. There's another guy who gets his stuff hooked up from protegegarage.com and ran a 12.9 without fucking anything up.

I'm not saying the MS3s aren't fast I've tested one (damn that sucky torque steer).... I'm just saying the same setup and drag radials on the ms6 can yield some fast times as well.

[Karma_hunden]

MS6Mike broke his differential on one of the last runs...previous to the last one, since the last one is the one we realized he had broken the diff on the prev. by doing a fwd burn out/"launch." The 12.85 was ran in the mid runs.

We ran like 15 times...on the 14th, the diff. broke...on the 5-7th we hit the 12s...we just kept going and cranking up the boost to see if we could brake that with no avail. That was done on 17psi, so we pumped it to 18psi and rana few...we figured...more boost=faster...apparently not. We also tried 19.5psi and ran the rest...till it broke it...too bad it was the diff. and not the record lol.

[MS6mike]

12.85 at 105mph FTW!!!!!!!!(guitar)

[Betelgeuse]

Well that's the downside of AWD, when you pay for playing, you pay a lot. Just more things to break I guess. The dealer offered me a sweet deal on one but knowing the kind of driver I was, I didn't want the headache plus I needed the utility.

It was no surprise the ms6 hit 12s, been saying that was possible way before people were even hitting mid 13s. Nice to see people with Mazdas can run with or even outrun the STI/EVO crowd.

[MS6mike]

now only if we could beet those huge Diesel trucks!

[Koenig]

now only if we could beet those huge Diesel trucks!


never happen dude......... they are EASY to mod, you can get more power out of diesel than gas...... and they have a LOT of torque. I've seen videos of a Chevy turbo diesel running i think was a low 11 or high 10 time... I ease like (wow)

[MS6mike]

yea, the funny thing was i was blowing more smoke than those diessel truks!

[Koenig]

that doesn't sound good....

[clos561]

y were u blowing so much smoke

[MS6mike]

i don't have the upgraded turbo seal, so the turbo is letting some oil in the exhaust! since i have no cats now i see the smoke. Jorge is going to help me fix this issue!

[clos561]

u did a turbo upgrade?

[MS6mike]

no stock turbo!

[clos561]

so why is it leaking?

[knowledge007]

Its hit or miss clos... Just like cpe stated. I have the 3" turbo back and I have no smoke... But then again if your not letting the turbo cool down you will melt the seals right out.

[clos561]

yea i gues that a factor i never thought about...he knwoledge is the hks recirc louder than the stock bpv?

[knowledge007]

oh yeah it sounds sweet...you have seen the vids you can hear it everytime I switch...

[clos561]

yea ive seen the videos but do u have ur windows up? sounds like they are

[Koenig]

I wanna see the vids so I can hear the HKS super SQV in recirc...... I've only found vids in VTA........

also the turbo leaking is only due to the 2006 mazdaspeed6s....... the 2007 mazdaspeed6s don't appear to have this problem.......same with the mazdaspeed3s which are supposed to be 2007 production.

[clos561]

yea they all are...in a few days when my fuckin car gets out of mazda shop i will post videos of drive bys and in car (windows down) hks recirc with my ms cai

[Koenig]

yea they all are...in a few days when my fuckin car gets out of mazda shop i will post videos of drive bys and in car (windows down) hks recirc with my ms cai

yeahit appears that the 2006 run of mazdaspeed6s had bad turbo seals.......this has been confirmed by CPE.....of course mazda won't do anything about it if they can help it *shrugs*

Cool man let me know when you post up the vids because I've been thinking of either the HKS SSQV or waiting for the street unit BOV......

[clos561]

my friends proly gona get a 2001 mustang bullitt...it has cold air intake....u think i can beat him?...after my car comes out ill have cold air intake and im gona install my bov again when i get home from the dealer

[knowledge007]

yea ive seen the videos but do u have ur windows up? sounds like they are

Just the back windows are up...

[clos561]

ill check the vids again

[TheDutchGun]

my friends proly gona get a 2001 mustang bullitt...it has cold air intake....u think i can beat him?...after my car comes out ill have cold air intake and im gona install my bov again when i get home from the dealer

It will probably be close, but I'm guessing you will have the edge. Those Bullitt Mustangs only came with 10 more horses than the stock GT at the time which is 260. He may have you off the line because of the low end the V8 produces but I'm guessing you'd take him in the end.

[clos561]

Just the back windows are up...
yea i cant really hear it but its the exhaust covering it up in the car....i heard it tho either way im installing it...jsut curious

[clos561]

It will probably be close, but I'm guessing you will have the edge. Those Bullitt Mustangs only came with 10 more horses than the stock GT at the time which is 260. He may have you off the line because of the low end the V8 produces but I'm guessing you'd take him in the end.
i keep telling him to get a twin turbo kit... i was telling him we will be same speed which is cool....the car runs 14.1? stock so its the same as speed3...it will be fun and i will have links to the videos when i post on youtube... he buying off a guy that installed cai.

[ptperformance]

http://www.dragtimes.com/Mazda-3-Timeslip-10980.html


here beat this time...
Something seems off, 103 MPH trap but you have a 13.0X time??? Seems like the timing lights may have been off a bit.

[clos561]

yea i duno but he has the slip saying 13.0..im not sure how to calculate time slips or anything dont have experince at the track

[ptperformance]

yea i duno but he has the slip saying 13.0..im not sure how to calculate time slips or anything dont have experince at the track
The 1/8 mile looks OK but the MPH seems a bit off. I wish I could have seen all the slip. Last week I ran the MS3 at the track I got 14.21 and that was bone stock. This week I have the exhaust on the car hoping for better times. The MPH was not reading correct last week either and I am starting to question the right and left lane numbers we were getting. I ran 14.2x 3 times then a 14.8x in the other lane but it felt the same as the other 3 runs if not better and the car in the other lane ran a 13.8x but he only had me by a 1/2 of a car. This week should be better if the weather holds out.

311 WHP is not bad, what all mods do you have done to the car?

[Koenig]

The 1/8 mile looks OK but the MPH seems a bit off. I wish I could have seen all the slip. Last week I ran the MS3 at the track I got 14.21 and that was bone stock. This week I have the exhaust on the car hoping for better times. The MPH was not reading correct last week either and I am starting to question the right and left lane numbers we were getting. I ran 14.2x 3 times then a 14.8x in the other lane but it felt the same as the other 3 runs if not better and the car in the other lane ran a 13.8x but he only had me by a 1/2 of a car. This week should be better if the weather holds out.

311 WHP is not bad, what all mods do you have done to the car?

Just to make sure you're not under the wrong impression....... that link he posted isn't his ms3...... it's a ms3 in Canada somewhere......also they were running drag radials, if that might have anything to do with the mph being off

also your track sounds funny..... if you ran a 14.8 and the guy in the other lan ran a 13.8 a 1 second difference is more than 1/2 a car....... seems a little odd. (bike)

[clos561]

yea thats not my speed3 earlier in the thread we were sayin which car has ran fastest time so far and i posted that to show fastest slip with a ms3 so far

[Koenig]

yea thats not my speed3 earlier in the thread we were sayin which car has ran fastest time so far and i posted that to show fastest slip with a ms3 so far


if it wasn't for warranty issues I would LOVE to get an upgraded turbo (probably the gt3076r) and then do up a FMIC, but I'm still waiting for a PnP EMS either from CP-E or COBB.... hopefully CP-E cause they do some kick ass shit with the mazdaspeed cars...... (yippy) (thumb)

[clos561]

if it wasn't for warranty issues I would LOVE to get an upgraded turbo (probably the gt3076r) and then do up a FMIC, but I'm still waiting for a PnP EMS either from CP-E or COBB.... hopefully CP-E cause they do some kick ass shit with the mazdaspeed cars...... (yippy) (thumb)
yea im waiting for plug n play stuff...im not gona fuck with the turbo...im just going to get the most out of the car with tmic upgrade and a hood air duct or something along with all the other shit that doesnt void the warranty or is reverable easily.

[Koenig]

yea im waiting for plug n play stuff...im not gona fuck with the turbo...im just going to get the most out of the car with tmic upgrade and a hood air duct or something along with all the other shit that doesnt void the warranty or is reverable easily.

Yeah i've been thinking long and hard about a hood with a scoop, I don't want one that sticks out like the WRXs..... I was thinking a flush mount, so it's even lines across the hood but still an opening to force air in...... I've done a few photoshops to see how it would look, and I like it....... I would just have to have the money and a place to make it for me, (evil)

[clos561]

theres a link going aroudn with carbon fiber hood on a ms3 and its a air duct not a big scoop...which would be perfect for the tmic. if i find the link ill post i jsut got done diggin through threads and couldnt find it. i wouldnt really like a fmic for the chance of increase turbo lag and if u hit someone or something...there goes a couple hundred dollar core and some piping along with ur front bumper and hood maybe

[Koenig]

theres a link going aroudn with carbon fiber hood on a ms3 and its a air duct not a big scoop...which would be perfect for the tmic. if i find the link ill post i jsut got done diggin through threads and couldnt find it. i wouldnt really like a fmic for the chance of increase turbo lag and if u hit someone or something...there goes a couple hundred dollar core and some piping along with ur front bumper and hood maybe


true, a FMIC should only be considered when you upgrade the turbo......and turbo lag can always be dialed down these days...

but at the same time you can still screw your tmic in an accident if it's bad enough or if it's with a truck/suv, which sits higher than your car so you'd be screwing the hood/engine/tmic :(

either way you look at it sucks, so i always try to be careful....... do let me know if you find that link for the hood, I'd like to see how it looks.

[clos561]

looks perfect but for now its so much money...ill be back with a link

[clos561]

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123666216


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that kind of scoop is best and wouldnt make the car look like shit...

[Koenig]

it's ok, not exactly what I was thinking of, but not bad....

what does 130,000 yen and 90,000 yen come out to in USD?

you don't need the hood in CF, they offer it in another form "FRP" I'm assuming is the metal/steel OEM material.

ok i checked out corksport which sells the hoods.......but they are ripping people off

they charge 1054 regardless if you pick carbon fiber or FRP....... but according to the re-amemiya at 90k yen, it should only be about $740......

[clos561]

proly cuz its the only hood availabel for the moment...after time more hoods will come out maybe nicer designs...

[Koenig]

you can get your own made for less than 1000........screw that,lol