The First Frontmounted CX-7

[evo_mr2006]

well guys i'm not sure if any of you read my posts a few months ago stateing that i'm going to put things to gether and customize a front mount intercooler and turbo upgrade with a whole lot of other stuff to make our CX-7's fun. well today it was really nice out so i said lets get started on my project well it took less time for me to get it done then i though so i'm going to share some pics with you. for those who want a front mount let me know cause i'm getting something together with my boss at the fab shop to get somemore kits started and for a great price well nevermind me talking and take a look for your self enjoy the FIRST front mount intercooled CX-7

This is the braket I fabed so that i can mount the intercooler better:
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/Evo_01/CX-7/Picture002-1.jpg
After i took off that nasty top mount:
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/Evo_01/CX-7/Picture004-1.jpg
Starting the run from the turbo to intercooler:
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/Evo_01/CX-7/Picture005-2.jpg
Mounted Intercooler:
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/Evo_01/CX-7/Picture003-1.jpg
End of run from turbo to intercooler:
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/Evo_01/CX-7/Picture006-3.jpg
From intercooler outlet to throttle body pic 1:
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/Evo_01/CX-7/Picture010.jpg
From intercooler to throttle body pic 2:
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/Evo_01/CX-7/Picture008.jpg
All piped up and ready to go The transmision cooler had to be mounted infront of intercooler for now till i get the smaller one in but it works for now
[IMG]http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/Evo_01/CX-7/Picture012.jpg


The front bumper had to modded inorder for it to go back on due to the intercooler piping. Basicly i had to cut out were the foglights would go.

[Lord_Zath]

looks really nice

too bad you lost your fogs though

[Rainman]

Nice work. Way to be a pioneer!

R

[Int3grity]

This is off the chains awesome work congrats on being Numero Uno(usa)

[KronixKid22]

Nice work!

[hectik1]

Nice work! You going to do a little more fab work to get the fogs to fit along with the FMIC? Would a little smaller diameter pipe allow enough room to fit the fogs back in?

We also need some vids.....I want to see if there is any noticable lag created by all the additional piping.

[evo_mr2006]

Thanks guys The pipe is size to were i need it for the stock turbo. i still have a little tinkering to do and testing then i will do some vids and get it dynoed. as for the foglights i didnt have them but I plain on seeing what i can do for those who have them by next weekend i should have it set right and all and a dyno sometime soon. I'm going to be talking to a friend and see if maybe we can get something started and makeing some kits for those who want them. but in order for me to do that i will need to see how many people want them. (drinks)

[9Hooker]

nice, now do you have any dyno sheets to show before and afters?

[evo_mr2006]

nice, now do you have any dyno sheets to show before and afters?

No what i'm doing is getting things all set up putting it back to stock then dynoing it then putting things back on then dynoing it again unless i can find someone in my area that will go with me to get theres dynoed to and i would pay for there dynoing cause that would be a big hassel for me to take it all apart put it back to stock then dyno it then put it all back to gether then dyno it again

[Lord_Zath]

yeah you won't be able to get an idea of gains unless you do a baserun w/o intercooler and then put it in.

Don't mean to be a jerk, but if this turns into you making a kit to sell on here, you'll need to be an AMM. Contact Antoine about that. That's far off and all, but I wanted you to be aware of this now rather than later because it looks like you've got a great setup.

[mikey1981]

awesome work, now just dont rear end someone lol.

[Doodsmack]

nice you driven it yet?

[Killer]

No what i'm doing is getting things all set up putting it back to stock then dynoing it then putting things back on then dynoing it again unless i can find someone in my area that will go with me to get theres dynoed to and i would pay for there dynoing cause that would be a big hassel for me to take it all apart put it back to stock then dyno it then put it all back together then dyno it again Jeebus...Punctuation much?

Anyways,
Please contact Site Admin. before "Feeling Out" the market here. You need to be an approved vendor to perform any sales research or sales at this site.

Thanks.

[Killer]

yeah you won't be able to get an idea of gains unless you do a baserun w/o intercooler and then put it in.

Don't mean to be a jerk, but if this turns into you making a kit to sell on here, you'll need to be an AMM. Contact Antoine about that. That's far off and all, but I wanted you to be aware of this now rather than later because it looks like you've got a great setup.(werd)

[9Hooker]

No what i'm doing is getting things all set up putting it back to stock then dynoing it then putting things back on then dynoing it again unless i can find someone in my area that will go with me to get theres dynoed to and i would pay for there dynoing cause that would be a big hassel for me to take it all apart put it back to stock then dyno it then put it all back to gether then dyno it again

well I would be interested in knowing the individual performances of the items. what you decide to do to yours may not be the same thing I want to do on mine. I totally understand, it's your front mount, your car, you do whatever you feel like...

if I'm up in the air over a top mount or front mount (looking at top mount option because of the decreased pressure drop over front mount piping) I want to see performance side by side.

on a side note, does anyone has CX-7 specific top mount graphs? I thought that the one on here is on a speed3/6.

[Kansei]

Can't really tell from the reflections in the pic but that sure looks like a CT plate judging by the numbering. is T-town Thomaston, Terryville, or Torrington? :P

[evo_mr2006]

Can't really tell from the reflections in the pic but that sure looks like a CT plate judging by the numbering. is T-town Thomaston, Terryville, or Torrington? :P

I dont plan on selling anthing anytime soon. I'm in the test phase now and I dought I ever will start makeing kits. I'm a busy person as it is. And yes its torrington why? I drove it twice testing it and you can fell the differance but I havent pushed it yet

[Kansei]

nice, more Mazda enthusiasts in Torrington :P

I think that makes three on these forums?

I'm from Thomaston (go to school in Rochester, NY though so I'm basically never home).

[evo_mr2006]

nice, more Mazda enthusiasts in Torrington :P

I think that makes three on these forums?

I'm from Thomaston (go to school in Rochester, NY though so I'm basically never home).

oh i see I'm just getting into mazdas im a big EVO enthusiast

[otnielarencibia]

Where did you get the piping for it and the intercooler? How much were all the parts? let us know if the fogs fit next week! Thanks

[MadMax1]

No what i'm doing is getting things all set up putting it back to stock then dynoing it then putting things back on then dynoing it again unless i can find someone in my area that will go with me to get theres dynoed to and i would pay for there dynoing cause that would be a big hassel for me to take it all apart put it back to stock then dyno it then put it all back to gether then dyno it again

Heya evo_mr2006,

I live in Danbury and would be willing to get a dyno of my stock CX-7, if your covering the cost. Where would you be planning to do it? XXtuning?

Let me know,
MM

[evo_mr2006]

Where did you get the piping for it and the intercooler? How much were all the parts? let us know if the fogs fit next week! Thanks

all the work was custom piping and fitting the intercooler was bought and as of they way the set up is the foglights won't fit. i'm going to try to see how i can make it work with foglights if at all. I'm not a shop nor a tuner I have been doing my research and home work in order to do this. what i do for a living also helped me figure out what I needed to do. It cost me ruffly $400 for all the parts i needed

[evo_mr2006]

Heya evo_mr2006,

I live in Danbury and would be willing to get a dyno of my stock CX-7, if your covering the cost. Where would you be planning to do it? XXtuning?

Let me know,
MM

Eather XXtuning or some other place. I should be set in a week or to for dynoing.

[MadMax1]

Eather XXtuning or some other place. I should be set in a week or to for dynoing.

ok I got some work related travels coming up, but I should be able to get a sat free to come up. plus it be nice to check out your setup in person.

MM

[evo_mr2006]

ok I got some work related travels coming up, but I should be able to get a sat free to come up. plus it be nice to check out your setup in person.

MM

Sounds good

[otnielarencibia]

You know the fact is that dynoing 2 same cars will give you different horsepower ratings. To get an exact hp gain from the dyno you would have to do it on the same car.

[evo_mr2006]

You know the fact is that dynoing 2 same cars will give you different horsepower ratings. To get an exact hp gain from the dyno you would have to do it on the same car.

Ok see thats a great point I didn't relize that see like i sia dI'm knew to the whole tuneing aspect of the game. I was mainly for looks and great sound
Thanks

[MS6mike]

pics with the bumper on?

[Hambino]

Heya evo_mr2006,

I live in Danbury and would be willing to get a dyno of my stock CX-7, if your covering the cost. Where would you be planning to do it? XXtuning?

Let me know,
MM

No shit, I live in Danbury as well. There is a dyno closer than XX. There is Bristol Dyno (http://www.bristoldyno.com) as well as chassis dyno here in Danbury over by the new DMV.

[evo_mr2006]

Sorry i havent posted in a few days with what I'm doing as the people that live in ct know its been cold and like i siad before I don't have a shop That I'm working out of. I'm working out of my driveway. I havent doone much more then when I last posted. I'm trying to find better and stronger silicone
Boots then what i have now cause when I'm at 5,000rpm two of the boots pop off. The reason is cause the two boots are extra from an intake and they arent as stiff and thick as the boots for the intercooler kits. Plus i'm checking to see how i can run the pip differently for the people that want to keep there foglights. Hopefully I will be getting the new turbo set up and ECU soon. I should be getting the catback done soon to just waiting for my friend to weld the hangers for me.
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/Evo_01/CX-7/Picture013.jpg

[hectik1]

The hose is popping off because of the clamps. You will either need T BOLT clamps or CONSTANT TORQUE clamps.

[evo_mr2006]

The hose is popping off because of the clamps. You will either need T BOLT clamps or CONSTANT TORQUE clamps.

I tryed the t-bolt clamsp and it did the same thing i have the Couplers on order anyway it can't hurt trying ya know. the main thing I'm working on is finding a tuneing shop that will help me tune my cx-7 so that i can get max performace out of it with out going to the internal mod stage after that I'm done Don't wanta got to crazy unless I find a sponsor

[Kansei]

*drools* I love my constant torque clamps.

[Rainman]

Sorry i havent posted in a few days with what I'm doing as the people that live in ct know its been cold and like i siad before I don't have a shop That I'm working out of. I'm working out of my driveway. I havent doone much more then when I last posted. I'm trying to find better and stronger silicone
Boots then what i have now cause when I'm at 5,000rpm two of the boots pop off. The reason is cause the two boots are extra from an intake and they arent as stiff and thick as the boots for the intercooler kits. Plus i'm checking to see how i can run the pip differently for the people that want to keep there foglights. Hopefully I will be getting the new turbo set up and ECU soon. I should be getting the catback done soon to just waiting for my friend to weld the hangers for me.


Try using T-bolt clamps instead of worm-gear clamps. You can get them much tighter than worm-gears so that the hoses won't pop off.

R

[evo_mr2006]

ok i will order some more and we will see

[MadMax1]

Have you gotten this issue resolved with the fmic?

[cx-7_racer]

sure would like to see one out on the market.

[evo_mr2006]

I haven't had the chance to finish things yeti got the stuff just have been busy

[Quickie]

here is my two cent's haha!!
you can use forge motorsport silicone hoses, they have alot. also you might want to use tbolt clamps. they work better. i had the same problem with my gti and the intercooler pipe keep popping off at high boost.
here is the web link. http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/content.asp?inc=product&catalog=siliconhoses

good luck with it. can't wait till i see the updates. (2thumbs)

[Killer]

http://www.crystalfontz.com/backlight/633_temperature/super_glue.jpg

[evo_mr2006]

http://www.crystalfontz.com/backlight/633_temperature/super_glue.jpg


nice i like that idea lol

[Killer]

(rofl2)

[greengoblin]

Take a punch and put dimples from the inside out around the out side edge of each side of your pipes to give your couplers something to grip on. Or if you weld put a bead on the outside edge.
Also hairspray works great too. It makes putting the couplers on easier and after it drys it acts like glue but you can still get them off.

[Int3grity]

I am guessing the intercooler is adding 30+hp easy

[evo_mr2006]

I am guessing the intercooler is adding 30+hp easy

dont know yet still working on it i'm haveing my uncle custom bend and weld some pipes for me right now i'm working on the audio and video part of my project

[Alpha Wolf]

While I would be the first to agree that the FMIC is more effective and avoids heat soak of the TMIC.

the length and diameter of the plumbing would indicate you will increase the turbo lag. And the loss of the fog lights due to the plumbing are a few reasons this does not look like an option for me.

But nice work in any case.

Basically this is not my race car. I just want as much power as I can get without killing the motor/tranny and still retain all the features of stock.

But I am sure you will make more power than the TMIC or aftermarket ones. Any Dyno charts yet?

So when my Son stops sucking my car/bike money away I will be looking for a bigger TMIC, better BOV and then a EMS that will allow me to install CAE and a good Turbo Back Exhaust system without a CEL coming on and allowing the engine to develop all the power these mods will allow...

[skeppley]

Very nice work Evo. While I can appreciate all the hard work and time put into your Intercooler, your horsepower numbers from the factory IC on the dyno probably wont be a whole lot different than the front mount. Where you will notice the difference is on that warm summer day when the Top mount IC is completely heat soaked, and just cant cool down, and starts to lose power because of it, whereas your front mount is out there blowing in the wind nice and cold and maintaining similar power all day long regardless of the outside temps. The main advantage of a larger or front mounted IC is the ability to run higher boost and make more power while still keeping the air temps at an acceptable range.

I have run several different sized intercoolers on a dyno at the same boost levels, and with the hood open, and monster fans blowing on them, the difference is negligible, maybe 2 to 5 HP.
Now, take those same intercoolers for a ride using alot of throttle, and you'll definitely feel the difference as the small one heats up and power drops off.


So while it's hard to explain, just bolting on a large IC does not actually add anymore horsepower than what your already making with the stock intercooler (unless your also turning up the boost). What it does do is maintain that HP while the smaller one heats up and loses it's power.

So, although they may both dyno at 200 HP or so, the smaller one may be down at 180HP or so actually driving on a hot day, while the front mount may be at 195HP that same day.


Below is my RX7 intercooler. I just put it in because my smaller one couldnt cool down the heat from running the extra boost, but on the dyno with fans on them, they were almost exactly the same.

[Rush24]

How's the front mount working for you????? I've noticed that the engine bay runs really hot after normal driving.....has the front mount helped with performance....

[evo_mr2006]

yes its helped alil but not much right now im in the works of putting in the turbo upgrade the project is going slow due to me being really busy plus im fabing everything myslef next project is going to be converting the trasmisson to the mazda speed 6 tranny but im haveing a hard time find one right now

[MS6mike]

any updates?

[evo_mr2006]

so far no i have been haveing problems so i stoped with the front mount now im on hold for a lil cause i have a baby on the way but with tax season on the way im getting the gt3071r kit and the custom exhaust is almost done but i will be waiting to install that in the spring time

[MS6mike]

try getting the gt28 atp will do it for you trust me that wil be to big for you! i got the gt3076r on my speed 6 and i have supporting mods! still is to big!

[Dalton]

Plus i'm checking to see how i can run the pip differently for the people that want to keep there foglights. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/Evo_01/CX-7/Picture013.jpg

NO need to run it differently now, when we have the Led option. (cool)

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/6410/p1010020ds2.jpg

Check out this... LED Turn Signals in Fog Area PIC HEAVY (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3427969&postcount=1)

[Booze Guzzler]

Have you figured how much these motors will take before needing a ECU upgrade ?

[mikomi]

I wonder if evo is still around? I would love to see how his CX-7 is running now.

[Marcus]

I want to see if there is any noticable lag created by all the additional piping.

Although it is an Old question and old thread altogether I figured i would post to say that your lag on the stock turbo will not be noticeable. There was a guy on a DSM site i frequent who did all sorts of crazy math and pressure difference stuff with 3-4 different setups for 1G DSM's all different pipe lengths/intercooler sizes the lag pretty much couldnt be measured in entire seconds so the change off between a few milliseconds of lag Versus cooler IAT would benefit rather than harm your performance.