SLS Performance Front Motor Mount

[kute]

Hey everyone, I'm excited to say that this mod is worth it and anyone who doesn't have it, go get one before they run out. Came in the mail today and took about 1 hour to install. One thing that came in handy was a breaker bar and rustoleum penetrating spray. Oh and be sure to remove the bottom plastic like everyone says, its a lot easier!! (piss)

I took a shot of the stock mount next to SLSP's. My stock mount was half way torn in and truthfully all the vibration that I had before is gone! Strange? I mean it's still there, but not as bad as before. I also adjustied my hood rubber stoppers to prevent it from rattling. After that, my car was so quiet during idle. Performance gains - better shifting, less motor movement, and more pep when you gas it.

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[65racecoupe]

I agree with you. I use to run the AWR front and the car would rattle at idle or slow speeds. So I went back to the STOCK mount. When these came out I was sceptical of the claims. After riding in Clay's MSP ( he runs the SLS mount) I had to get one. Never looked back. I love the mount and highly recommnend it to everyone.

[Kansei]

oh wow, very nice! They updated it since I got it, no more big washers on the sides, and it has their logo! very nice :)

I love my front mount, I gotta buy the side mount asap.

[Kansei]

I agree with you. I use to run the AWR front and the car would rattle at idle or slow speeds. So I went back to the STOCK mount. When these came out I was sceptical of the claims. After riding in Clay's MSP ( he runs the SLS mount) I had to get one. Never looked back. I love the mount and highly recommnend it to everyone.

Yeah I don't get it either.. I had the AWR 95 duro front, then went back to stock (partially torn).. then it tore more, I bought the awr 70 duro inserts, used that for a while, then added rr racing inserts, omg it was so bad.. then got the SLS front mount, with the rr-racing rear inserts still in there was a lot less vibration, then I took out the rr-racing rear inserts.. but now my passenger side mount is actually 100% totally torn through so I need to buy the side mount asap.

I just don't understand why the SLS mounts are so much better.

[kute]

they actually did send me washers but i couldn't use them, there was no way i was going to squeeze polyurethane through thick metal with my bare hands in such a tight space. I know it probably makes the mount last longer, but how does it fit? LOL

[the tortoise]

I just don't understand why the SLS mounts are so much better.

How soft are they?

[Kansei]

How soft are they?

75 durometer.. so stiffer than the AWR mount that I switched from. Even before break-in, it felt better.

[musiclikscreams]

i've been wanting to get motor mounts. i've been meaning to ask which are better. looks like i'll probly rock the sls's.

[P-Funk!]

sweeet. i had the vibes (although better since the header - one less thing bolting the engine to the subframe (where the first cat mounts).

How much are they? Do they make side mounts? I need to think hard about this*!

*I promised myself 'no more mods after the MP3 ECU upgrade'

[Watarski]

I've got 67k miles on my 03. I'm thinking about doing this mod...How hard is it? Is the front motor mount easy to get to?

I have been having a more noticeable rattling sound from my shifter after I installed the kartboy bushings. I believe it is from the vibration from drivetrain lash. Is there anything wrong with just putting in the front mount for now?

[P-Funk!]

It will help. Does SLS make a rear mount too? You will need it.

[SLSPERFORMANCE]

The front motor mount is very east to work on. It's just 3 bolts and is located right in front and on the cross bar. Depending on skill and how your stock hardware is determines how long it will take. Typically we see 20-60 minute install times from our customers.

We do have a rear mount, but it has not been released yet. We are making a change to the bushing size and durameter to ensure the least amount of vibration but with the firmest hold. There is no ETA at this time.

[65racecoupe]

Pay day is tomorrow :) Side motor mount coming my way.

[terbow]

i know this one vibrates less but does it stop engine movement as well as the awr 70? i dont mind the vibration if i have to sacrifice its function. just curious. thanks in advance.

[kute]

i know this one vibrates less but does it stop engine movement as well as the awr 70? i dont mind the vibration if i have to sacrifice its function. just curious. thanks in advance.


I was also thinking that my other mounts are being overworked to compensate for the front motor mount. I'm looking to get the side mount because I doubt the vibration can get any harsher especially with SLSP's, just enough to know my engine isn't moving so much during gears.

[P-Funk!]

I have stock side mounts (probably torn) but AWR 70s front and back. I have NO (or very minimal) wheelhop with this set up. My point? I think the SLS front and rear would be effective with new/stock side mounts. And without the vibes that make my car sing!

[clicknext]

Are these available in any stores?

[Yaggie1]

It seems to stop the engine rocking as well as my SU mount did. I still will get a tiny bit of engine movement but, it is only cause it now pivots on the front mount and pulls the rear mount. I am guessing the stock rear will wear out a bit quicker. I am totally convinced the SLS mount is the way to go if this helps you on the descision to get one. I will order up the rear one as soon as they release it. Excellent product.


i know this one vibrates less but does it stop engine movement as well as the awr 70? i dont mind the vibration if i have to sacrifice its function. just curious. thanks in advance.

[terbow]

thanks, i appreciate it. i might just have to sell the AWR.


It seems to stop the engine rocking as well as my SU mount did. I still will get a tiny bit of engine movement but, it is only cause it now pivots on the front mount and pulls the rear mount. I am guessing the stock rear will wear out a bit quicker. I am totally convinced the SLS mount is the way to go if this helps you on the descision to get one. I will order up the rear one as soon as they release it. Excellent product.

[Yaggie1]

I noticed you were in Ohio, I was gunna say you could check out mine. I'm gunna be in Findlay next week for a few days with my car but, it looks like a bit of a drive away from where I am going to be......


thanks, i appreciate it. i might just have to sell the AWR.

[terbow]

yea i just moved here, no idea where findlay is. however i still appreciate the gesture.


I noticed you were in Ohio, I was gunna say you could check out mine. I'm gunna be in Findlay next week for a few days with my car but, it looks like a bit of a drive away from where I am going to be......

[Yaggie1]

No problem, looks like it's a couple hours North West of you. You were in GA weren't you ? Job relocation ?


yea i just moved here, no idea where findlay is. however i still appreciate the gesture.

[terbow]

job relocation kinda, im from RI

[jeg0024]

Im getting one of these front mounts soon as well, will post up when its in!

[Yaggie1]

RI huh........why was I thinking GA ?? Weird. Anyway, I should probably get back on topic. Buy one, you'll like it.


job relocation kinda, im from RI

[terbow]

RI huh........why was I thinking GA ?? Weird. Anyway, I should probably get back on topic. Buy one, you'll like it.
lol, i shall do that. will prolly get the side one too.

[mazdaspeed777]

The front motor mount is very east to work on. It's just 3 bolts and is located right in front and on the cross bar. Depending on skill and how your stock hardware is determines how long it will take. Typically we see 20-60 minute install times from our customers.

We do have a rear mount, but it has not been released yet. We are making a change to the bushing size and durameter to ensure the least amount of vibration but with the firmest hold. There is no ETA at this time.


How do you install these?? Do you have to support the engine with a cherry picker and then unbolt it? (sorry never installed a motor mount or insert before so I am kind of clueless in this area)

[jeg0024]

How do you install these?? Do you have to support the engine with a cherry picker and then unbolt it? (sorry never installed a motor mount or insert before so I am kind of clueless in this area)

You acually dont have to support the motor at all, but a jack stand and some boards wont hurt.

[Kansei]

Well on the front motor mount I wouldn't recommend a jack stand.. 1 because you won't be able to fit it under the engine without the car jacked up, and 2 because when the engine is in neutral position, there's no tension at all on the front mount (i.e. it isn't weight bearing) so it's best to not even jack up the car to install the front mount.

[mazdaspeed777]

Sweet, that doesn't sound to hard. Just time consuming.

[Kansei]

The front mount? Nah, no way. 30-60 minutes TOPS. No need to even jack the car up! 3 bolts :)

[StealthWyvern]

Well on the front motor mount I wouldn't recommend a jack stand.. 1 because you won't be able to fit it under the engine without the car jacked up, and 2 because when the engine is in neutral position, there's no tension at all on the front mount (i.e. it isn't weight bearing) so it's best to not even jack up the car to install the front mount.


I installed my awr front mount in around 30 min and I didnt use a jack or anythign other then the toosl required to break the bolts loose!

[kute]

yeah, I've never done this before and it took 1 hour all by myself with a 17mm deep socket, ratchet, and breaker bar. Just takes a little muscle for all three bolts. The only hard part was getting the washers to fit as well as the mount in between the brackets.

[Yaggie1]

I didn't even put the washers in with mine. I tried to get em in but man that would have been a seriously tight fit. Hopefully I really didn't need them.......... Seems fine so far. Install is cake. Won't find too many easier installs.......


yeah, I've never done this before and it took 1 hour all by myself with a 17mm deep socket, ratchet, and breaker bar. Just takes a little muscle for all three bolts. The only hard part was getting the washers to fit as well as the mount in between the brackets.

[clicknext]

So compared to the stock mounts, how is the vibration?

[Salmon_Rob]

i ordered front and side last night!

[Kansei]

i ordered front and side last night!

haha sucker


(peep)

[Salmon_Rob]

:( you make my wallet cry

[silverpro5]

Just ordered mine too, gotta protect that header from cracks! Also picked up a set of urethane exhaust hangers for the same purpose.

[Kansei]

:( you make my wallet cry

they're worth it :) my wallet is crying much more right this minute though haha.

[65racecoupe]

I installed my SLS side mount today. Took about 45 minutes. My stock mount was ripped!! I have alittle extra vibration from the side mount, but nothing bad at all. Overall I'm very happy with it.

[clicknext]

I installed my SLS side mount today. Took about 45 minutes. My stock mount was ripped!! I have alittle extra vibration from the side mount, but nothing bad at all. Overall I'm very happy with it.
Do you have the front mount as well?

[BradC]

i ordered front and side last night!
Me too, well...front and catless j/mid-pipe (nana)

[Kansei]

I installed my SLS side mount today. Took about 45 minutes. My stock mount was ripped!! I have alittle extra vibration from the side mount, but nothing bad at all. Overall I'm very happy with it.

give it time, it'll break in. Can't wait to get mine in, ordered over the weekend :)

[Salmon_Rob]

Me too, well...front and catless j/mid-pipe (nana)niceeeeeeeeeeee sluts

[Kansei]

catless ftl :(

it makes kitty cry
http://www.caturday.ca/cats/caption3/captions095.jpg

[65racecoupe]

Do you have the front mount as well?



Yes, I have the front and side motor mounts installed. I love it.

[clicknext]

So does anyone have an opinion on how the vibrations are with the SLS compared to stock?

Mine's on order right now, should come in after the long weekend. I'm a little sensitive about the vibrations but decided to risk it with the SLS rather than another stock mount anyway. My old one was partially ripped like most peoples' on here.

[kute]

i've personally have never tried awr, rr-racing, or any other brands except SLS'. Most people say the vibrations are harsh, but the SLSP's, you barely feel anything. It's like you only notice it if you think about it. Thats how great these mounts are, but I can't really compare to the others. All I know is that my car barely, not even at idle does it REALLY shake or vibrate. Truthfully close to nothing sometimes.

[silverpro5]

If you already have a header installed you probably won't even notice a change when/if you put a new front mount in; probably get more vibes from the header than the mount.

[65racecoupe]

So does anyone have an opinion on how the vibrations are with the SLS compared to stock?

Mine's on order right now, should come in after the long weekend. I'm a little sensitive about the vibrations but decided to risk it with the SLS rather than another stock mount anyway. My old one was partially ripped like most peoples' on here.


With the front one you can't really tell. The side one does add some vibration, but IMO not bad at all. Nothing rattles, but you can feel it just alittle in the seat at idle. I think it's a great trade off. I'm very happy with it.

[amsgator]

anyone know when/if a rear mount is coming out from SLS?

[SLSPERFORMANCE]

anyone know when/if a rear mount is coming out from SLS?

Yes, we are going to be coming out with one. However we are not going to put an ETA on it.

[Yaggie1]

I believe they have the rear one prototyped but it not ready for production and sale yet.


anyone know when/if a rear mount is coming out from SLS?

[SLSPERFORMANCE]

I believe they have the rear one prototyped but it not ready for production and sale yet.

Correct. We have a rear done and being tested. We have since made some changes to help with vibrations and movement. Since we are still in the R&D phase I can't say when it will be released.

[i12drivemyMP5]

Just hit up the site & got me one. Time for the rr inserts to be shelved. Also grabbed up the mstr lock bezel too. Is the rear mount gonna fit sporttronics or will it be for manual only?

[musiclikscreams]

Correct. We have a rear done and being tested. We have since made some changes to help with vibrations and movement. Since we are still in the R&D phase I can't say when it will be released.
its like a kid waiting for christmas... but has no clue when christmas is

[Kansei]

^^ that's the spirit.

Now I'm just playing the "OMG USPS WHY DO YOU NOT HAVE EVEN A BASIC TRACKING SYSTEM YET" game :)

[amsgator]

Correct. We have a rear done and being tested. We have since made some changes to help with vibrations and movement. Since we are still in the R&D phase I can't say when it will be released.

i'm just concerned w/ buying the front one and it causing my rear to break.

[amsgator]

^^ that's the spirit.

Now I'm just playing the "OMG USPOS WHY DO YOU NOT HAVE EVEN A BASIC TRACKING SYSTEM YET" game :)


k fixed it for u :)

[SLSPERFORMANCE]

i'm just concerned w/ buying the front one and it causing my rear to break.

Your rear is more than likely already broken.

[amsgator]

Your rear is more than likely already broken.

who knows. cant see it. i heard that if you make the front stiff it puts more on the back and it makes the others go sooner.

[SLSPERFORMANCE]

who knows. cant see it. i heard that if you make the front stiff it puts more on the back and it makes the others go sooner.

The reality is all the mounts break even on stock setups. By adding our front you help prevent the motor from rocking back and forth and causing more damage. Let's say you have broken side and rear mounts now. By adding our front mount in this case will help prevent furture damage. Our mount will have a greater strain put on it due to the rear and side being broken already.

[amsgator]

i need money and i can get it. i just bought the header and i have to wait. being a poor college kid suxxxxxx

[Salmon_Rob]

^^ that's the spirit.

Now I'm just playing the "OMG USPS WHY DO YOU NOT HAVE EVEN A BASIC TRACKING SYSTEM YET" game :)me to :( i should have picked ups :(

[Kansei]

No, UPS would have been a horrible choice. From SLC to DC would take about a week vs the 2-3 day that USPS is anywhere in the 48 states.

My mount arrived today so Rob, your mount definitely should too. Check your tracking, mine actually said that it had arrived at a Rochester post office this morning at 5am. I was crossing my fingers that the post office wasn't closed on this pseudo-holiday.. and it worked :D weeee

One question for you though Eric.. for the side mount, do I need to worry about the bent bracket piece rusting? Should I give it some flat black paint or something? Also I'm sure I'll figure this out when I get out there, but should I do somethin with washers or lock washers on the two bolts that hold the mount to the frame? I know there's a few smaller washers on that big bolt, are they just there for storage purposes during shipping or do I leave all of them on (obviously with the mount between the two large ones) to space the metal bracket from the mount?

[SLSPERFORMANCE]

smaller washers are for the motor bracket bolts

http://www.slsperformance.com/slsp/m23ProductImages//SLS%20MPMMPS.jpg

[Salmon_Rob]

heh mine is painted black :P im specialer

[Kansei]

got my mount in, it's aweeeesome!

I'll write up a little how-to in a few, gotta go call the gas company because there's clearly a bad gas leak at my house right now.. no wonder I've felt like crap all day >_<

[musiclikscreams]

i spent a good hour and a half tryin to get the stock nuts/bolts off my front mount. made me wanna do something irrational. i felt like... like... wuts something really irrational...? oh i got it... a woman

so ya, finally got my SLS mount on, went for a lil drive and concluded that i love it. thanx sls

[Kansei]

haha nice nice.

I'm chillin (literally, is' in the 20s and I'm sitting out on my back deck with my laptop because the natural gas leak (was the connection between the gas lines and the stove) needs to be ventilated for a while.

I have less vibrations now that I installed the side mount than I did before.. my stock side mount was torn though so I expected that.

[musiclikscreams]

i'm experiencing a little more vibration. when i pulled out my stock mount, i put just a lil pressure on it, and the center just popped out

[Kansei]

how-to for side mount (no pictures yet, still on camera): http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3082312

[pasadena_commut]

We do have a rear mount, but it has not been released yet. We are making a change to the bushing size and durameter to ensure the least amount of vibration but with the firmest hold. There is no ETA at this time.

Front, passenger side, and back. What about the driver side mount. #4 on page 01-10B-22 http://protege5.ugly.net/01-10b.PDF. Is that one in the works too?

Also, the passenger side one, is the vertical bar inserted into a matching rectangular hole in the horizontal bar and then the two pieces welded together (top and bottom of the horizontal bar, so two rectangular welds), or is the vertical one placed on top of the horizontal one and then welded on (just on top of the horizontal bar, one rectangular weld)? How thick are those metal bars, and are they aluminum or steel? Lastly, is the rubber mount bushing rebuild kit on your site for these Mazda mounts, or for some other motor mount?

[Kansei]

It's steel, and from the looks of it the same bushings are used on all the mounts so they're interchangeable.

.. but I'm sure Eric will chime in, it isn't that late out in Utah :P

[clicknext]

who knows. cant see it. i heard that if you make the front stiff it puts more on the back and it makes the others go sooner.
You know, I've always wondered if it would really do that. The argument has been that if you have one stiff mount, then the engine motion will pivot on that mount and place more stress on the others. But I can't see how it would increase the forces on the other mounts, because without the stiff mount, the engine would likely move even more in all directions, meaning more force on the other mounts. So I can see where he's coming from when he says that having the new front mount will help protect the others. I don't know, maybe there are some factors I'm not thinking about.

[Kansei]

The way the mounts are set up, the front mount kinda is just there to reduce the twisting of the engine, as is the rear mount. The front mount (maybe the rear too, not sure though) isn't even load bearing when the car is off and level. It isn't there to support the weight of the engine, just to reduce the motion. Hence why adding just the front mount really doesn't increase vibrations at all, but it does reduce motion significantly.

If the way my car is with the two available SLS Performance motor mounts is any indication, I can't wait for the rest to hopefully eventually come out.

[ItsSlow]

Anyone know where I could order these from since SLS performance's site is down?

[Kansei]

Anyone know where I could order these from since SLS performance's site is down?

site is up? http://www.slsperformance.com/slsp/

[ItsSlow]

site is up? http://www.slsperformance.com/slsp/

Yea, figured it out.. The link in their sig is down (I figured that was their site).. Thanks though..

[qualityrockola]

Installed mine today, best ~$61 Ive spent on the car so far. I can actually coast in 1st gear if I want to without the car thrashing about if I touch the gas. My front half of my front mount was torn, and my side mount is in the same state, so I may buy the side mount one of these days too. Its great to have my 1st gear back, all i was able to use it for before i installed this mount was for starting from a dead stop.

[SLSPERFORMANCE]

Yea, figured it out.. The link in their sig is down (I figured that was their site).. Thanks though..


Thank you for the heads up on the sig. link. We will fix it.

[silverpro5]

i installed mine yesterday, and i'm getting *quite* noticeable vibrations at idle. makes the dash jump a bit at times! it this a "let it break in" issue? what should my car be idling at? right now its around 500 rpm, and it feels a bit low maybe?

[amsgator]

i installed mine yesterday, and i'm getting *quite* noticeable vibrations at idle. makes the dash jump a bit at times! it this a "let it break in" issue? what should my car be idling at? right now its around 500 rpm, and it feels a bit low maybe?

mine is vibrating at idle but i think its cuz my mount is town, check the what have you dont to ur p5 today for pix. supposedly the first tach mark is 500... mine is idling at the 2nd tach :-( idk why so low

[SLSPERFORMANCE]

Remember these are performance mounts and some vibration is normal, but believe me the little vibration you get from the SLS Performance mounts are not even close to being as harsh as some of the mounts out there.

[amsgator]

Torn? The first two are the front mount, last is the passenger side.... :(

[silverpro5]

yeah, its not unbearable @ idle, and when actually driving its AMAZING. smooth shifts abound ;). what is the durometer rating of these mounts?

[silverpro5]

Torn? The first two are the front mount, last is the passenger side.... :(

I'm not an expert and its hard to tell from your pics, but there is a good chance they are at least partially torn. How many miles are on your car?

[amsgator]

I'm not an expert and its hard to tell from your pics, but there is a good chance they are at least partially torn. How many miles are on your car?

about 41k. the last one (side mount) looks torn i think. should that piece be disconnected from the other part of the mount? attached another of side. any better?

[qualityrockola]

My car idles at ~700rpm. Im getting some vibrations at idle and during startup, but they are not terrible and the benefits are worth it. Ive probably only driven 40 miles since I installed it so maybe it will soften up.

To me, none of yours look torn. The center of my torn front mount was resting on the bottom of the mount, rather than being suspended in the center. The factory side mount is a lot beefier than the factory front mount and it has a lot of little channels and whatnot that makes it really hard to tell if it is torn without taking it out. It might might, be torn, but maybe not. If it is torn i dont think it has the impact that a torn front or rear mount might have.
Here is a link to a pic of a torn side mount from SLSs website. maybe it will help.
http://www.slsperformance.com/slsp/m23ProductImages//alternates/135.jpg

[amsgator]

yea i dont like my car idling so low...i wish i knew why it was......... it's driving me INSANE!

[silverpro5]

are these SRS mounts softer than the 70 durometer AWR mounts?

[Yaggie1]

I don't officially know the durometer of the SLS mount. How bad are your vibrations ? Mine are really not bad at all. We might have to meet up and compare the 2. Have you got just the front mount in ? I do know that the SLS front mount vibrates way less than my 62 durometer SU front mount did.


are these SRS mounts softer than the 70 durometer AWR mounts?

[silverpro5]

A little bit of dash and steering wheel at idle. I can feel it through the seat as well. I only have the front, would adding the rear reduce vibrations? My idle seems a bit low, could that cause it? I'm gonna check my vacuum lines tomorrow. I've been digging under that hood quite a bit recently, might have knocked one off ;)


I don't officially know the durometer of the SLS mount. How bad are your vibrations ? Mine are really not bad at all. We might have to meet up and compare the 2. Have you got just the front mount in ? I do know that the SLS front mount vibrates way less than my 62 durometer SU front mount did.

[Yaggie1]

I'm not sure about adding the rear and what affect it would have on vibs. I will probably pick up the side one from SLS before too long and see what that does. What are you idling at ? I wanna say mine hangs right around 700 rpms.......


A little bit of dash and steering wheel at idle. I can feel it through the seat as well. I only have the front, would adding the rear reduce vibrations? My idle seems a bit low, could that cause it? I'm gonna check my vacuum lines tomorrow. I've been digging under that hood quite a bit recently, might have knocked one off ;)

[silverpro5]

Halfway between 1k and the bottom, I'm guessing that means 500.

[clicknext]

Halfway between 1k and the bottom, I'm guessing that means 500.
That should mean 750, actually, as I believe the first little notch on the tach represents 500 rpm.

[clicknext]

I just got mine and installed it! Impressions are pretty good. The vibrations are still a bit more than I expected, but I think I can get used to it.

I have a question, though. How tight is the bolt going through the center of the mount supposed to be? The service manual doesn't have a torque specification. Is it supposed to be tight to hold the engine snug, or loose enough to allow rotational motion of the engine about the bolt's axis?

[Magus]

Any word as to what the torque spec for the bolts are? Also what's the status on the rear mount? Are you going to work on the driver's side mount as well? I have noticed in doing my timing belt that the side is ripped and I will probably be picking up the front and side mounts. Also I have noticed that the passenger side mount has a brace, but your side mount does not use it, why?


Magus

[qualityrockola]

I have a question, though. How tight is the bolt going through the center of the mount supposed to be? The service manual doesn't have a torque specification. Is it supposed to be tight to hold the engine snug, or loose enough to allow rotational motion of the engine about the bolt's axis?

i torqued it pretty good with my impact wrench...i dont know the specs but i think i has to be pretty tight. On my motor, the bracket that bolts to the engine has a slotted hole. If it isnt tight, then the bolt will bounce around in the slot and probably wear out and maybe shear off eventually.

[clicknext]

http://members.shaw.ca/clicknext/wordpress/sls_mount.jpg

Picture of the mount installed.

[Salmon_Rob]

how the fuck did you get a camera in there haha

[Kansei]

what the ... why are your nuts blue????

[FrolessWonder]

what the ... why are your nuts blue????

hehehe

I think i am going to get one soon. The install isn't too difficult is it?

[clicknext]

what the ... why are your nuts blue????
Cause they were too tight...


hehehe

I think i am going to get one soon. The install isn't too difficult is it?
No, it's not too difficult, as long as you can get your dang nuts off.

[i12drivemyMP5]

My wife gets my nuts off. ..Oh wait, that's a different repetitive ongoing project. OK, been on a few long range varying cruises after install. It's definitely better than the half broke oem with rr racing inserts but haven't experienced the "magical" difference that has been raved about but I still like it & the car is better off with it. The door locks now are a different story, they kick ass with the new master lock billet bezel. That old black plastic bezel was suckin ass.

[clicknext]

My wife gets my nuts off. ..Oh wait, that's a different repetitive ongoing project. OK, been on a few long range varying cruises after install. It's definitely better than the half broke oem with rr racing inserts but haven't experienced the "magical" difference that has been raved about but I still like it & the car is better off with it. The door locks now are a different story, they kick ass with the new master lock billet bezel. That old black plastic bezel was suckin ass.
lol wtf, lock bezel? I hope you're kidding.

[i12drivemyMP5]

Yes, I was kidding about the lock bezel working better but it does add more silver. Looks better is all. Wasn't willing to pay 36.00 for it when mam was selling them but 15.00 was OK. EDIT - Uh, the motor mount is breaking in? Yeah, that too.

[amsgator]

got an ETA on the driver's side mount? i dont wanna replace the passenger side and still have stock driver's side....that's just going to throw the stress around.

[amsgator]

Well on the front motor mount I wouldn't recommend a jack stand.. 1 because you won't be able to fit it under the engine without the car jacked up, and 2 because when the engine is in neutral position, there's no tension at all on the front mount (i.e. it isn't weight bearing) so it's best to not even jack up the car to install the front mount.

so does the car have to be in neutral when you change out the mounts?

[Magus]

No Kansei was talking about the neutral position of the motor, not the neutral gear of the transmisson.

Magus

[amsgator]

No Kansei was talking about the neutral position of the motor, not the neutral gear of the transmisson.

Magus

ahhh got ya. :) dont i feel stupid

[Magus]

amsgator,
Hey don't worry about, how you going to learn without asking?


Magus

[aMaff]

By searching?
:p

[Magus]

That is true aMaff, the search function or manual searching is very valuable. Though I am not sure if his question about the neutral position would come up, so I wanted to answer him. I also like people not feeling like they are stupid and should not ask questions. Though I get your point, you do not want people asking without looking.

Magus

[amsgator]

By searching?
:p

what is there to search? all he said was w/ it in neutral. want me to search the entire forum for neutral?

[aMaff]

yes. And the :p generally denotes sarcasm

[Gasological]

Tempted to get some for my MSP. Especially at the (relatively) low price.

Basically I'm looking for any excuse to get under my hood with a wrench.

[amsgator]

yes. And the :p generally denotes sarcasm

haha my bad, i didnt look at the face long enough for the tongue to pop out :)

[silverpro5]

Tempted to get some for my MSP. Especially at the (relatively) low price.

Basically I'm looking for any excuse to get under my hood with a wrench.
word.

I'm a little worried though cause after a few weeks I can feel significant engine movement again with the front SLS mount installed. I just ordered the passenger side mount to try and solve the problem.

Does AWR make a rear mount that SLS doesn't?
cheers

[amsgator]

Yaggie1 has tried SU's mounts

[Yaggie1]

I orignially bought the front and rear SU mounts in a package but, I never installed the rear mount. Front one shook me enough that I didn't have the guts to install the rear one too.........

[Nima_What]

i just installed mounts today. The install was alright only because the bolts were such a bitch to get off and its in a tight space. Use an impact wrench if you can, i borrowed my buddys and it made the job a WHOLE lot easier. Im reallly happy with the outcome, The vibrations are minimal and u can barely feel it at idle, but my idle is slightly rough. i think i need to clean my egr valve. but anyways the car feels a lot better and you should get them!

[Yaggie1]

Hey man, how many miles are on your car ? I've got almost 86,000 miles and my rear mount seems fine. I get very little motor movement with only the front mount in.


word.

I'm a little worried though cause after a few weeks I can feel significant engine movement again with the front SLS mount installed. I just ordered the passenger side mount to try and solve the problem.

Does AWR make a rear mount that SLS doesn't? Has anyone ever tried SU's mounts?

cheers

[Dimitrios]

ETA on a drivers side?

[silverpro5]

Hey man, how many miles are on your car ? I've got almost 86,000 miles and my rear mount seems fine. I get very little motor movement with only the front mount in.

I'm at 105k, and my front mount was DEAD. I actually haven't looked at the stock passenger side mount, I just assumed its dead too....(scratch)

For the first few days the motor was nice and tight, a lot of vibrations though. Now the vibes are leaving, but I'm starting to get motor lash again. I checked the bolts and they are all tight.

maybe its just me getting used to the mount and feeling more subtle engine movement....

[qualityrockola]

the more i look at my existing stock mounts, the more i think that replacing the front mount is like 90% of the battle to kill engine movement. Im not sure of the condition of my passenger mount, but i think it is still intact. from the looks of it, it is mostly solid rubber so even if something breaks or wears out its not going to have the slop of a broken front mount. Im not concerned at all about replacing the drivers side mount, even if there was one available, because it is 100% solid rubber, there is no airspace like the front or side mount. I havent got a good look at the rear mount so i cant comment on it too much, i imagine a replacement would probably help re-enforce the benefits of the front mount alone and i might be inclined to buy one.

[i12drivemyMP5]

Yeah, they need to make a rear one for manual & AT.

[Magus]

i12drivemyMP5,
They are working on the rear, it's just ready yet. It was mentioned they were not happy with the way it is just yet.

Magus

[i12drivemyMP5]

But is it gonna be for both? I have AT & the rears always say manual only.

[Magus]

i12drivemyMP5,
Not sure, but I will ask since I have same type of transmisson.


Magus

[i12drivemyMP5]

Looking at the service manual, the only one that shows to be different is the one on the driver's side that attaches to the transmission not the rear one that attaches to the back side of the motor. Not sure why no one else would make a rear for AT.

[silverpro5]

Heres the stock side mount from the SLS website

http://www.slsperformance.com/slsp/m23ProductImages//alternates/135.jpg

[Kansei]

some stuff is different on the automatics for the passenger side mount too.. I forget which way it goes, but the engine is either a little closer or a little farther from the chassis

[Kooldino]

Good stuff.

[i12drivemyMP5]

Heres the stock side mount from the SLS website

http://www.slsperformance.com/slsp/m23ProductImages//alternates/135.jpg
Yes, passenger side one. I'm all good with that one. I want the rear one for a sportronic automatic.

[jeg0024]

I just got home today and found my sls performance front motor mount waiting on me, what I didnt expect to encounter in the swap was a totally torn up stock front mount with only 65k miles on it. Is this normal? What else might be hurt from running on a broken front mount? I know my sides looked cracked all the way around as well so those are probably next on my list. Oh, and I almost forgot to mention, my car doesnt shift hard anymore:) And the extra vibrations at idle are only felt in the floor board and dont really bother me at all.

[clicknext]

I just got home today and found my sls performance front motor mount waiting on me, what I didnt expect to encounter in the swap was a totally torn up stock front mount with only 65k miles on it. Is this normal? What else might be hurt from running on a broken front mount? I know my sides looked cracked all the way around as well so those are probably next on my list. Oh, and I almost forgot to mention, my car doesnt shift hard anymore:) And the extra vibrations at idle are only felt in the floor board and dont really bother me at all.
Torn up mount is pretty normal at 65k, especially if you drive the car hard at all.

Mine was torn halfway at only 65k kilometres, which is like 40k miles, and I granny the car all day every day. Looks like lots of satisfied people with this mount. =)

[jeg0024]

Well ill let you know after a while if I have any problems but so far so good:) I just dont understand why they put such weak ones in to begin with.

[65racecoupe]

I now have 400 miles on my SLS side mount and am very happy still.

[amsgator]

is it ok to replace the passenger mount but not driver's mount? it seems to me like they should both be changed at the same time :-\

does the engine have to be supported for the side mounts? i know it doesn't for the front but what about sides?

[amsgator]

well i ordered the FMM a few minutes ago...it was like 61 dollars, gah! can't wait til the summer when i get more money.

[seb_protege]

Hello,

any one of you have install this sls motor mount can do a compare between

sls motor mount , the insert , the awr motor mount and oem motor mount filled with urethane. I woodlike know between those witch one give less vibration and hash ride.


any one of you tried the sls front motor mount and the rear one oem filled with urethane.

Thank

seb

[clicknext]

Hello,

any one of you have install this sls motor mount can do a compare between

sls motor mount , the insert , the awr motor mount and oem motor mount filled with urethane. I woodlike know between those witch one give less vibration and hash ride.


any one of you tried the sls front motor mount and the rear one oem filled with urethane.

Thank

seb
Compared to oem filled mount, this one has pretty much the same amount of vibrations, but less engine movement. Probably because after a while of driving, the filling started to detach from the surrounding rubber.

[Magus]

What the heck?!?! I was waiting till this Tuesday (pay day) to order the side and front mount, and the price changed over the weekend!

Front $49.99->$59.99

Side $79.99->$89.99

I hope it now includes shipping, because if not, that's messed up.

edit:confirmation that it does not include shipping.(bang)

[clicknext]

What the heck?!?! I was waiting till this Tuesday (pay day) to order the side and front mount, and the price changed over the weekend!

Front $49.99->$59.99

Side $79.99->$89.99

I hope it now includes shipping, because if not, that's messed up.

edit:confirmation that it does not include shipping.(bang)
Yeah, I think they were having a sale before.

[amsgator]

well i got my mount today and i must say i am quite disappointed...and i havent even installed it. there are scratches and dents all over the thing, it looks like it's been installed before or at least someone tried to install it. not to mention one of the inserts is too far away from the mount. so i emailed sls to see what they say. like kansei said, their new ones have the sls logo on them and this one doesnt.

[clicknext]

well i got my mount today and i must say i am quite disappointed...and i havent even installed it. there are scratches and dents all over the thing, it looks like it's been installed before or at least someone tried to install it. not to mention one of the inserts is too far away from the mount. so i emailed sls to see what they say. like kansei said, their new ones have the sls logo on them and this one doesnt.
Mine was kinda like that too. No sticker, pretty scratched up for something new. But meh, it worked just fine.

[amsgator]

was this supposed to come w/ two or 3 bolts? what about nuts? it takes 3 to put it on but mine only has two bolts and no nuts...do you reuse one of the stock bolts or something.

[amsgator]

Mine was kinda like that too. No sticker, pretty scratched up for something new. But meh, it worked just fine.

was one of the inserts farther away than the other? and how many nuts/bolts did yours come w/? is there a left and right side to this or is in universal?

[jeg0024]

You need two bolts and two nuts to mount it, you re-use the long bolt and nut from inside the stock mount.

[amsgator]

it didnt come with any nuts for the two short bolts so do i reuse the ones from the stock mount?

is there a left or right to the mount and what about the gap from the one insert?

[jeg0024]

You can reuse the nuts from the stock mount, the only reason why you cant use the stock nuts is because there not really nuts, there just threads on the bottom of the mount. I used my stock nuts and they fit just fine, and no there isnt a front or a back to the mount. Not that I know of anyways. Can you push the other insert back in at all? I mean I really wouldnt be worried about it though.

[amsgator]

they emailed me back and said to push it in, but i tried and it didnt go. so i'll try again

no need to support anything when doing the swap is there? i dont have a breaker bar and i only weigh 150 pounds so this should be interesting :)

[jeg0024]

lol, yeah your gonna need a long hollow pipe or something to put on the end of your ratchet, trust me, it will help a lot. And no, you dont need to support anything, the other 3 mounts will hold everything up.

[Salmon_Rob]

front mount has no sticker, only side

[silverpro5]

^ true

[jeg0024]

My front mount has a sticker...

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w189/jeg0024/DSC04015.jpg

[amsgator]

http://www.msprotege.com/members/kute/motormount/IMG_0626.jpg

[amsgator]

and i fixed the insert, i just had to push on it differently. so hopefully soon i can get it in...i dont have a breaker bar though so i might go get one. are there torque specs for it?

[clicknext]

Yeah, that nut can be pretty tough if it's stuck. I only weigh 125 lbs and could not get it off, even after soaking it with PB Blaster. A guy in a shop took it off for me by bracing against a wall and using a huge pipe on a long breaker bar. Other than that, it's an easy install.

[clicknext]

and i fixed the insert, i just had to push on it differently. so hopefully soon i can get it in...i dont have a breaker bar though so i might go get one. are there torque specs for it?
There are no torque specs for the center bolt, but the ones on the base are 50-68 ft-lbs.

[amsgator]

i weigh like 145-150 depending on what i ate...so i doubt i'll be able to get it off :(

[jeg0024]

Just get a long hollow pipe, about a 3 or 4 foot pipe, and it will help tons.

[amsgator]

pvc work fine?

[jeg0024]

I dont know if its gonna be stiff enough, probably not, see if you can find an aluminum pipe or something, thats what I used.

[amsgator]

hm.... idk where to get one because i dont have one and i dont wanna spend like 10 bux on a pipe :( maybe i'll see if my friend can get it lose w/ his breaker bar.

[jeg0024]

yeah, I mean I have a lot of crap laying around here so I just make do with what I can lol, the breaker bar should help though.

[DeadGeneration]

I have this wierd vibration in my laptop, how do I fix

[jeg0024]

I have this wierd vibration in my laptop, how do I fix


Have your gf sit on it for a while, that should help.

[amsgator]

I have this wierd vibration in my laptop, how do I fix

it's probably from your AWR mount you have in your car. its rubbin off on your computer

[clicknext]

I have this wierd vibration in my laptop, how do I fix
Probably a fan, if you're serious about your laptop. lol I honestly can't think of what you meant to say, if not that.

[jeg0024]

^yeah, probably that too

[SLSPERFORMANCE]

Only a few more mounts available at this price!

SLS PERFORMANCE FRONT MOTOR MOUNT:
http://www.slsperformance.com/slsp/ProductDetail.asp?idproduct=576&idCategory=152

http://www.slsperformance.com/slsp/m23ProductImages//SLS%20MPMMF.jpg (http://www.slsperformance.com/slsp/ProductDetail.asp?idproduct=576&idCategory=152)

SLS PERFORMANCE PASSENGER SIDE MOTOR MOUNT:
http://www.slsperformance.com/slsp/ProductDetail.asp?idproduct=636&idCategory=167
http://www.slsperformance.com/slsp/m23ProductImages//SLS%20MPMMPS.jpg (http://www.slsperformance.com/slsp/ProductDetail.asp?idproduct=636&idCategory=167)


.

[69RMSP]

i plan on buying the side mount but id perfer to buy them both at the same time.

[musiclikscreams]

hm.... idk where to get one because i dont have one and i dont wanna spend like 10 bux on a pipe :( maybe i'll see if my friend can get it lose w/ his breaker bar.
a breaker bar worked miracles for me. the first mount job i did, i used a conventional ratchet set and i spent almost an hour and 1/2 gettin the 3 bolts off. used a breaker for the side mount and it took no time at all

[i12drivemyMP5]

Only a few more mounts available at this price!

SLS PERFORMANCE FRONT MOTOR MOUNT:
http://www.slsperformance.com/slsp/ProductDetail.asp?idproduct=576&idCategory=152

http://www.slsperformance.com/slsp/m23ProductImages//SLS%20MPMMF.jpg (http://www.slsperformance.com/slsp/ProductDetail.asp?idproduct=576&idCategory=152)

SLS PERFORMANCE PASSENGER SIDE MOTOR MOUNT:
http://www.slsperformance.com/slsp/ProductDetail.asp?idproduct=636&idCategory=167
http://www.slsperformance.com/slsp/m23ProductImages//SLS%20MPMMPS.jpg (http://www.slsperformance.com/slsp/ProductDetail.asp?idproduct=636&idCategory=167)


.I'll get a side mount if the sticker comes on it, my front didn't have one :(................j/k, OK here goes, good thing I just bought the wife some Prada crap or she'd be pissed, LOL.

[leica]

pvc work fine?

Hahaha. No, PVC will not work.

Just go to Home depot in the plumbing area and buy a length of steel pipe. Shouldn't be more than a couple of bucks.

[SLSPERFORMANCE]

Yes the price of the mounts went up slightly, we let the overstock sale run alot longer than expected.
None of the front mounts have our logo on them due to once installed you can't see the mount anyway. None of them should be scratched these are all new mounts and all powdercoated so any minor scuffs and scratches should easily polish out due to the powder coating being alot harder and more durrable than any paint.
If the urethane bushings are not tight to the mount you can simply push it in. These are pushed in 2 parts (one for each side) so they can be removed and replaced by just about anyone.

[amsgator]

this one has a sticker....

http://www.msprotege.com/members/kute/motormount/IMG_0626.jpg

and so does jeg's

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w189/jeg0024/DSC04015.jpg

[i12drivemyMP5]

I don't have factory air intake so I can see my front one as good as the side.

[SLSPERFORMANCE]

I meant none of the current front motor mounts we are sending out have stickers on them. We did send out a few with decals right after we started production but discontinued placing stickers on them shortly after due to the mounts not really being seen.

[amsgator]

Hahaha. No, PVC will not work.

Just go to Home depot in the plumbing area and buy a length of steel pipe. Shouldn't be more than a couple of bucks.

well i went to lowes and bought a 30 inch galvanized pipe... 1/2 in diameter.... it was either that or a foot copper pipe...which was more. the pipe i got was stil 5.71 after tax...but i guess thats better than 25 for a breaker bar...plus this is longer. so i shall fabricate my own breaker bar. i would have installed it today but i dont wanna do it w/ the motor hot. so hopefully tomorrow or thursday! (rockon)

EDIT: i just hope the pipe isn't too long...if it is I guess i'll just take it back.

[red95_240sx]

im looking at **********s front mount next payday. Check out this guy haha: http://youtube.com/watch?v=I5rfArZUwV0

[Kansei]

the only way the pipe could be too long is if it hits the hood lol.

just make sure you use a 6pt socket, don't wanna know how shitty it would be if you round off the stock bolt with a 12pt trying to get it off.

[amsgator]

the only way the pipe could be too long is if it hits the hood lol.

just make sure you use a 6pt socket, don't wanna know how shitty it would be if you round off the stock bolt with a 12pt trying to get it off.

um...i only have a 12 pt i think... :( idk i'll have to check what came w/ the set.

[amsgator]

are the two little one's not that big of a problem just the center one?

[silverpro5]

im looking at **********s front mount next payday. Check out this guy haha: http://youtube.com/watch?v=I5rfArZUwV0

why does this forum censor SU?

[Kansei]

why does this forum censor SU?

Because they did some shady business on here. sucks, but that's how it is :(

[silverpro5]

so are they ok to buy stuff from? they seem to have some cool products, like those mounts that were mentioned above

[red95_240sx]

dont ask dont tell...

[DeadGeneration]

Because they did some shady business on here. sucks, but that's how it is :(

Damn you kansei I think I just wasted 30 mins looking at your pictures/reading about your car and cat lol

[DeadGeneration]

im looking at **********s front mount next payday. Check out this guy haha: http://youtube.com/watch?v=I5rfArZUwV0

who the hell is that

[Kansei]

Damn you kansei I think I just wasted 30 mins looking at your pictures/reading about your car and cat lol

lol noice.

my kitty is awesome. can you tell she's 18 or 19 years old? I sure as hell can't.

[silverpro5]

dont ask dont tell...

aight then

[red95_240sx]

oh well i heard there good, but i was saying that about what ever the conflict was.

i don tknow who it is, but i find it funny to watch...inspiring, he made it look easy.

[StealthWyvern]

oh well i heard there good, but i was saying that about what ever the conflict was.

i don tknow who it is, but i find it funny to watch...inspiring, he made it look easy.

The front motor mount is extremly easy to replace. I replaced min in under 15 min with normal hand tools.

[amsgator]

The front motor mount is extremly easy to replace. I replaced min in under 15 min with normal hand tools.

what did you use to get the nuts off...they are on there tight as hell....

[StealthWyvern]

what did you use to get the nuts off...they are on there tight as hell....

my jack handle on the end of the rachet as a breaker bar

edit: keep in mind im a little guy! I'm about 6foot and weigh in around 145bls so if i can get it off im sure you can.

[amsgator]

i weight 150 :) hehe. i bought a steel pipe to stick on the end of a ratchet. 30 in long pipe. haha. i didnt even think about using the jack handle. shoot i mite take the pipe back to lowes and get my money back :) just tell them my roommate bought the pipe and i didn't know it i guess.

[leica]

I checked my passenger side mount and it's ripped with under 40k on the clock. Looks like mounts will be first on the list.....What is it with these stock mounts? Does Mazda even cover them under warranty? I'd consider just having them replaced under warranty, but if the OEM units are that shitty why even bother.

[amsgator]

wear and tear as far as i know. not under warranty

[qualityrockola]

I like how "StrtUnt" gives the option of buying the front and rear separately. I already have the SLS front mount, and Im totally satisfied, but Id really like to replace the rear mount fairly soon. If SLS puts their's out pretty soon ill buy from them, but if not i think im going to pick up one of SU's rear mounts. On the other hand, SLS seems to be taking their time to get it right, we dont know if SU did any testing or how thorough they were with their design. Maybe its worthwhile to wait?

[JoshP5]

+1. Also considering TurfBurn's (aka NSN) rear mount for this very reason.

[amsgator]

I like how "StrtUnt" gives the option of buying the front and rear separately. I already have the SLS front mount, and Im totally satisfied, but Id really like to replace the rear mount fairly soon. If SLS puts their's out pretty soon ill buy from them, but if not i think im going to pick up one of SU's rear mounts. On the other hand, SLS seems to be taking their time to get it right, we dont know if SU did any testing or how thorough they were with their design. Maybe its worthwhile to wait?

yes SU did tons of testing. i know the people that own the company. they did tons of testing on their mounts. their side mounts went under a lot too, they did a presale on them and I believe they just came out. they had to do testing or they would get screwed if something happened... no one wants a lawsuit or to have to recall a product

[jeg0024]

But...lets try to keep on topic here...

Amsgator, hows the install going? Get your nuts loose?

[Kansei]

yes SU did tons of testing. i know the people that own the company. they did tons of testing on their mounts. their side mounts went under a lot too, they did a presale on them and I believe they just came out. they had to do testing or they would get screwed if something happened... no one wants a lawsuit or to have to recall a product

(yupnope) this is a thread about an SLS product, not a thread to push street unit product :p

I don't make the rules... (help) (mswerd) (crazy)

[amsgator]

well i got it in....however the stock nuts did not fit the bolts SLS sent me, so i spent an 30 minutes running places to see who had what fit...ace finally had it, lowes didnt. SLS needs to get bolts that fit the stock nuts.... one of the bushings still isnt up against the mount all the way and when i push it against it all the way it wont stay. so not sure about that....

now on top of it all...my car is makin a funny noise again.... its kinda like a creak and i can feel the clutch vibrate when the sounds starts...so i hope my clutch isnt screwed now....it's a creak but it's low pitched, not a high squeely one. so now i am concerned.

[Kansei]

Mine came with the bolts and nuts. Weird.

[amsgator]

i'm puzzled about that noise. :( i dont know what it could be. it doesnt do it when i start out really slow and release the clutch really slow, so i am kinda worried.

I opened a thread to see if anyone can help... :(
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3134319#post3134319

[qualityrockola]

Mine came with just bolts, but the factory nuts worked fine

[clicknext]

Mine didn't come with nuts, but factory sized nuts were fine for me as well.

[amsgator]

Mine didn't come with nuts, but factory sized nuts were fine for me as well.

guess they are sending out different bolts and nuts because the factory ones were too small for the bolts they sent

[Salmon_Rob]

nuts worked for me

[i12drivemyMP5]

The oem nuts worked just fine with the supplied bolts that came with mine (for the front mount).

[amsgator]

guess they didnt like me. i wanted a sticker and i get no nuts...man...

[Kansei]

At least I thought I got nuts with mine.. weird.

[amsgator]

The BAD news (for SLS not me): the mount caused the problem
The GOOD news: the noise stopped once i replaced the SLS w/ the stock mount

so i am in the process of contacting SLS to get my money back. not sure why this caused a problem but it did. i even drove it again this morning w/ the SLS mount it and it did it, changed it to stock, works fine now. if the SLS rep on here wants to give me an RMA that's fine. I am requesting a full refund including shipping

EDIT: here is the noise

http://amsgator.com/Weird%20Noise.wav

about halfway through, around 17 seconds you will hear the noise. kinda disturbing

[amsgator]

or if someone wants to buy it from me I will sell it. 60 plus shipping.

not sure why anyone wants to buy it because apparently something is wrong w/ the mount....

[Kansei]

Chances are, the stiffened front motor mount was making a problem with one of your other mounts that much more obvious.

[amsgator]

Chances are, the stiffened front motor mount was making a problem with one of your other mounts that much more obvious.

you mean one of the others was so bad this caused more of an issue? either way i want my money back....or someone to buy it. this isnt cool :(

the noise was from the driver's side so maybe that mount is shot? is there any way a stiffer mount would bother the clutch if it is going bad? i think my clutch is still going bad, maybe this just aggravated the problem? no clue

[Kansei]

No it didn't cause more of an issue, just made you more aware of an issue.

i.e. your rear mount or passenger side mount is worn/torn but until you tightened up the front you never really noticed.

[amsgator]

so it wouldnt be the clutch making more noise just because the engine is stiffer then? i think the clutch is going, so maybe it made that more obvious too?

how do you get to the rear mount? at least so i can look at it?

[Kansei]

the rear is a bitch to see, let alone access it. It's basically straight down from your throttle body, pretty much exactly on the other side of the engine from the front mount.

[amsgator]

so apparently i didnt get a lot of things i should have. no nuts and no big washers to go over the bushings. how nice of them.... :-\

[Kansei]

Mistakes happen.. no one is perfect.

Personally I'd send a PM to SLSPERFORMANCE before coming into a thread asking about their parts and talkin crap.. but that's just me I guess (burp)

[amsgator]

pmed SLS on here. if i dont get a response I'll call/email them. i know i've just had a bad week :( finals and all this goin on. gah!!

[amsgator]

did everyone else on here receive the washers? only some people received nuts, but did everyone receive the giant washers to go btwn the bushings and the bracket?

[silverpro5]

i didn't get any nuts or washers w/ my front mount either, i didn't think we were supposed to. stock nuts worked fine, and i don't see why we would need washers

[amsgator]

guess u got different bolts than me :-\ idk about the washers

[i12drivemyMP5]

I didn't get washers either but not really seeing where they would fit. The sleeve that the bolt goes thru barely fits in the bracket so I'm guessing that whatever washers y'all are talkin about would have to have an ID big enough for the metal bolt sleeve in the middle of the mount to go thru. Then you'd be squishing the rubber part of the mount to get all that in place. I'd look into replacing the rear mount before selling the front. Like was said, you may just now be able to hear it due to the front being good now & the rear one is more towards the drivers side of the car than the middle or towards passenger side. On the other hand, consistency in what is being shipped to everyone would probably be more comforting when everyone is buying the same part for the same car. **edit** That being said, I did already order the passenger side one.

[amsgator]

it's a PITA to change the rear....

[SLSPERFORMANCE]

What you received is the entire kit. The kit includes 2 small bolts for the base (you reuse your stock bushing bolt) and the assembled mount consisting of 1 dowel, 2 bushings, 1 steel main section. No washers or other bolts are included.

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It sounds like you may have additional broken mounts if you are getting a clunk noise when starting off. This is caused by the excessive twist of the engine and the engine or exhaust hitting somewhere on the body or frame. <O:p</O:p
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I would recommend checking the rear mount because if both the front and rear or sometimes the passenger side mount is broken and you only replace the front the engine will twist backwards even more. Especially on takeoff!

http://www.slsperformance.com/slsp/m23ProductImages//SLS%20MPMMF.jpg

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[amsgator]

kansei got huge washers with his to go btwn the mount and bracket. ??

now i gotta figure out how to get to the rear mount. the noise and vibration was coming from the rear part of the engine and towards the passenger side...maybe that's what it is

[silverpro5]

kansei got huge washers with his to go btwn the mount and bracket. ??

now i gotta figure out how to get to the rear mount. the noise and vibration was coming from the rear part of the engine and towards the passenger side...maybe that's what it is

you get huge washers w/ the passenger side mount kit.

Hey SLS, is your rear mount almost ready? i want one!

[SLSPERFORMANCE]

Our first mounts did include 2 side washers but we found that there really wasn't any need for them and most people were not installing them anyway. The part of the mount attached to the engine squeezes the mount tight enough that additional space fillers weren't required.

[SLSPERFORMANCE]

Rear mount is still being worked on we have changed the design to make it more installer friendly.

Hopefully more updates will be comming soon.

[Kansei]

Rear mount is still being worked on we have changed the design to make it more installer friendly.

Hopefully more updates will be comming soon.

about the only way to get a new rear motor mount in and have it be user friendly is to get a new car.

I hate that thing. All the other mounts are CAKE

[amsgator]

if mine is toast i guess i'll have someone do it for me?

[Dimitrios]

if mine is toast i guess i'll have someone do it for me?

If you get to the point of replacing your clutch (as you are seemingly suggesting), do the mount. It's much easier with the tranny out of the way.

[i12drivemyMP5]

Rear mount is still being worked on we have changed the design to make it more installer friendly.

Hopefully more updates will be comming soon.(Cheering, clapping & such) Alright! Is manual or auto going to be an issue or is it the same for both? (nail biting - I have auto)........................

[Salmon_Rob]

just because you dont understand what has happened dont start accusing a wonderful vendors product of having messed your car up

[P5inder]

Amsgator,

If there is one thing I found is that the stiffer mounts uncover more problems than most people are willing to put up with. (In some instances, such as mine)

I have a 2002 P5 and THREE of the four mounts were torn to $#it. Originally, I replaced the front and rear mounts (stock to AWR) because I was experiencing some engine shudder and I thought it might be the torn mounts. I changed the F&R mounts and the shudder became way worst. Over a very short period of time the shudder became absolutely unbearable as did the noise that accompanied it. So I changed the passenger-side mount for a stock which I filled. Unfortunately, this only helped make the problem worst.(stooges)

N E way, what I'm getting at is that you should do lots of troubleshooting before making anyone else responsible for what's happened to your car. Check everything. Watch and listen closely to when that noise occurs (IE when accelerating, at a specific RPM, anytime you rev, revving under load, etc)it may be something else loose. If you have a header or after-market exhaust and other torn mounts, this will only transfer the vibration that the mounts took to all other items in that engine bay. Remember, I speak from experience. Since I installed my AWR's, my fan shroud has loosened and its causing an absolute racket.

Remember, it is our decision to purchase after-market equipment for our vehicles and as such, WE take a chance on things not working right.

I'm not trying to knock your character, just trying to ensure that you get to figure out what's happened without getting into spats and blaming sessions. (drinks)

Good luck fixing the problem...

[Salmon_Rob]

Amsgator,

If there is one thing I found is that the stiffer mounts uncover more problems than most people are willing to put up with. (In some instances, such as mine)

I have a 2002 P5 and THREE of the four mounts were torn to $#it. Originally, I replaced the front and rear mounts (stock to AWR) because I was experiencing some engine shudder and I thought it might be the torn mounts. I changed the F&R mounts and the shudder became way worst. Over a very short period of time the shudder became absolutely unbearable as did the noise that accompanied it. So I changed the passenger-side mount for a stock which I filled. Unfortunately, this only helped make the problem worst.(stooges)

N E way, what I'm getting at is that you should do lots of troubleshooting before making anyone else responsible for what's happened to your car. Check everything. Watch and listen closely to when that noise occurs (IE when accelerating, at a specific RPM, anytime you rev, revving under load, etc)it may be something else loose. If you have a header or after-market exhaust and other torn mounts, this will only transfer the vibration that the mounts took to all other items in that engine bay. Remember, I speak from experience. Since I installed my AWR's, my fan shroud has loosened and its causing an absolute racket.

Remember, it is our decision to purchase after-market equipment for our vehicles and as such, WE take a chance on things not working right.

I'm not trying to knock your character, just trying to ensure that you get to figure out what's happened without getting into spats and blaming sessions. (drinks)

Good luck fixing the problem...+1

[SLSPERFORMANCE]

here is an example of a torn passenger side mount
both pics are the same mount

It looks fine until you twist it.

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[jonlong]

I suspect that I have at least one torn mount. I'm at 42k miles and am noticing a lot more engine movement, both when i start the car and when accelerating in 1st gear.

I will be ordering both the front and side SLS mounts next week.

[redpr5]

i know at least 2 of mine are torn (if not all) im pushin 99,xxx miles and the engine bucks if i get on the gas real hard and it downshifts

[silverpro5]

Check everything. Watch and listen closely to when that noise occurs (IE when accelerating, at a specific RPM, anytime you rev, revving under load, etc)it may be something else loose.

word. I've only driven the car for a few months now, and some days theres a squeak, other days theres a rattle, some days the clutch/flywheel feel like hell, other days its buttery smooth. you just gotta be patient. after all, its not a honda.

[jonlong]

silverpro5, where are you from in michigan?

also, how many motormounts are there total?

[i12drivemyMP5]

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