Time for a new block, 30PSI + stock short block = hole, Anybody get super duper deals

[4DRHTRD]

Well yesterday I was going to drop my car off at my friend/fabricators house to do various work pre-NOPI show including meth injection etc. Like an idiot I was driving around with the cutout open but I'd been modulating boost with my throttle. NOT SMART. I came up to a light (1 block from my friends house) and there was a motorcycle, the light turns green, I drop the hammer in 1st and BOOM, smoke, oil light comes on etc. Looked at boost gauge - 30 PSI.
There's chunks of motor all over the cool drip pan.
I've gotten a price from $2728 so far + tax and shipping. I've got room on some cards and some cash, haven't told the wifey yet so depending on how much trouble I'm in I may have to sell the turbo kit, custom IC, etc. I already have an XEDE for sale.
Depending on timeline I should have a new motor (shortblock) installed within 2 weeks.

Wish me luck and let me know if you can get me a super duper deal on a short block, I'll buy one this Friday.
A salvage complete motor will work for that price too, if you can find one!!!
Mike

EDIT - pics added:
http://www.azspeed6.com/images/newmotor/blown-1.jpg
http://www.azspeed6.com/images/newmotor/blown-2.jpg
http://www.azspeed6.com/images/newmotor/blown-3.jpg

[sikanimator]

Damnit man! I'm very sorry to hear that. Damn. Arrrgh. That's all I have to say.

Sorry.

[nvmsp]

(boom02)

[nazgul350r]

where are the I told you so people at? That sucks I was wanting to hear what you were going to put out.

[nvmsp]

well I will say ,omg wtf are u serious. I am very dissapointed in you. so you were boosting how much? and omg wtf are u serious?!!

[Booster]

Well yesterday I was going to drop my car off at my friend/fabricators house to do various work pre-NOPI show including meth injection etc. Like an idiot I was driving around with the cutout open but I'd been modulating boost with my throttle. NOT SMART. I came up to a light (1 block from my friends house) and there was a motorcycle, the light turns green, I drop the hammer in 1st and BOOM, smoke, oil light comes on etc. Looked at boost gauge - 30 PSI.
There's chunks of motor all over the cool drip pan.
I've gotten a price from $2728 so far + tax and shipping. I've got room on some cards and some cash, haven't told the wifey yet so depending on how much trouble I'm in I may have to sell the turbo kit, custom IC, etc. I already have an XEDE for sale.
Depending on timeline I should have a new motor (shortblock) installed within 2 weeks.

Wish me luck and let me know if you can get me a super duper deal on a short block, I'll buy one this Friday.
A salvage complete motor will work for that price too, if you can find one!!!
Mike




Very sorry for your loss.
I hope you can put your engine back together very soon.
I was following all your post very close, you having the most modified MS6 of all-yet.

Good luck.

[4DRHTRD]

It will get back on the road as quickly as possible. I'll try and divert the wife wrath with something else....
:D
I'll make sure it get's back on the road, stronger and faster than before.
Mike

[meinp5]

Man - sorry to hear this. Is that XEDE a piggy back system?

[4DRHTRD]

Man - sorry to hear this. Is that XEDE a piggy back system?
Yes, it will work with most cars.

[Gandalf]

It will get back on the road as quickly as possible. I'll try and divert the wife wrath with something else....
:D
I'll make sure it get's back on the road, stronger and faster than before.
Mike

I would say diamonds work well (shiny objects in general) - but then again blowing a grand on jewelery cause you want to tell her you are about to blow 5 grand on the car you blew up may backfire:)

[Killer]

Part of me wants to laugh...and part of me wants to say I'm sorry.

[4DRHTRD]

I did what I did and I'll pay for it. It was only because the cutout was open that it happened, I'll get it back on the road trust me. :)
As long as I put the money back eventually I'll stay out of hot water. :P

[meinp5]

Yes, it will work with most cars.

I was told that piggy back systems wouldn't work with the speed6. I guess the speed6 has some type of adaptive ECU so anything you program into it gets "erased" after about 100 miles.

[ALIEN3T]

sorry ot hear or read the motor blew.

his was a stock block mazdaspeed 6?
THis might help people int he future cause we know the block now wont handle 30 psi.

BUt hope you get on the road agian soon!!

[4DRHTRD]

I was told that piggy back systems wouldn't work with the speed6. I guess the speed6 has some type of adaptive ECU so anything you program into it gets "erased" after about 100 miles.
There's a ton of info in these forums about the XEDE and MS6. Are you asking to buy mine or just general info?

[4DRHTRD]

sorry ot hear or read the motor blew.

his was a stock block mazdaspeed 6?
THis might help people int he future cause we know the block now wont handle 30 psi.

BUt hope you get on the road agian soon!!
Mine is a stock block MS6 with an upgraded turbo, IC and cutout.

[ChopstickHero]

are you the first to blow a Mazdaspeed6 engine?

[meinp5]

There's a ton of info in these forums about the XEDE and MS6. Are you asking to buy mine or just general info?

General info - I have seen the write ups on these xede setups for the speed3 and 6. I was just wondering if you knew anything about it. I was at a meet this past weekend talking to a guy about his speed6 and he told me that any piggy back systems wouldn't work. I was just looking for your opinion.

[4DRHTRD]

Not the first, someone else vented their block on an overrev.
Cullen to the rescue for a new shortblock! I'll have a new short block next week!!!

[Captain KRM P5]

i have an at cost discount with mazda, let me know if you need anything at all


Well yesterday I was going to drop my car off at my friend/fabricators house to do various work pre-NOPI show including meth injection etc. Like an idiot I was driving around with the cutout open but I'd been modulating boost with my throttle. NOT SMART. I came up to a light (1 block from my friends house) and there was a motorcycle, the light turns green, I drop the hammer in 1st and BOOM, smoke, oil light comes on etc. Looked at boost gauge - 30 PSI.
There's chunks of motor all over the cool drip pan.
I've gotten a price from $2728 so far + tax and shipping. I've got room on some cards and some cash, haven't told the wifey yet so depending on how much trouble I'm in I may have to sell the turbo kit, custom IC, etc. I already have an XEDE for sale.
Depending on timeline I should have a new motor (shortblock) installed within 2 weeks.

Wish me luck and let me know if you can get me a super duper deal on a short block, I'll buy one this Friday.
A salvage complete motor will work for that price too, if you can find one!!!
Mike

[4DRHTRD]

Just paid for and ordered the short block

[Booster]

Not the first, someone else vented their block on an overrev.
Cullen to the rescue for a new shortblock! I'll have a new short block next week!!!


I wish luck, and hope your car is on the road ASAP.

Also I PM you.

[GhostMercury]

what does having a cutout have to do with you blowing your engine

[Sveivo]

^ I think that intoduces more boost.

OP: Was your car tuned well?

[4DRHTRD]

I was rich enough for 22 PSI with cutout closed. When I opened the cutout the free flowing exhaust allowed the turbo to boost to 28-30 PSI. I hit 30 PSI around 6K RPM or so.
:(
Car was not tuned well enough yet and on 91 octane would never support 30 PSI. I was headed to install my alky/water injection kit when it hapenned.

As far as tuning I was waiting to take out the XEDE when the new CP-E piggyback was going to arrive.

[GhostMercury]

why was the cut out even open? if you knew it would raise boost to much

[Maxx Mazda]

So tell us, jsut how fast was it on 30 psi? :D

[4DRHTRD]

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[RevLimitLaunch]

shitty to hear about this man. good luck with the next motor! im guessin this motor whether tuned or not isn't gonna like anything over 25psi...reminds me of a 4g63...mmmmm

[Sveivo]

It was a bad experience, but admit it, you're having some high quality problems :) 30 psi (crazy)

There are not that many cars out there that can take that...

[Bigg Tim]

You know I definatly want you to get the car back up and strong, BUT if for some reason throwing the woman the ol sausage doesn't work and she makes you part things out......I'd be interested in that intercooler.(thumb)

[4DRHTRD]

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[skylinemonster]

Well yesterday I was going to drop my car off at my friend/fabricators house to do various work pre-NOPI show including meth injection etc. Like an idiot I was driving around with the cutout open but I'd been modulating boost with my throttle. NOT SMART. I came up to a light (1 block from my friends house) and there was a motorcycle, the light turns green, I drop the hammer in 1st and BOOM, smoke, oil light comes on etc. Looked at boost gauge - 30 PSI.
There's chunks of motor all over the cool drip pan.
I've gotten a price from $2728 so far + tax and shipping. I've got room on some cards and some cash, haven't told the wifey yet so depending on how much trouble I'm in I may have to sell the turbo kit, custom IC, etc. I already have an XEDE for sale.
Depending on timeline I should have a new motor (shortblock) installed within 2 weeks.

Wish me luck and let me know if you can get me a super duper deal on a short block, I'll buy one this Friday.
A salvage complete motor will work for that price too, if you can find one!!!
Mike

IM NOT SORRY, ALL I CAN SAY IS IGNORANCE.

[4DRHTRD]

Didn't ask for your pity, just posting up facts.

[Blake]

dude, im looking forward to what comes after this, it will come back.

[Blake]

o and good luck with the rebuild....try and get it warrantied ;-)

[orlandomsp]

Holy huge pics batman! Sucks about your car, can't wait to see what you'll do next. I'd love to own an MS6. (drive)

[InlineTwin]

That sucks.

30 psi in first gear on that turbo? That would put you wayyyyyyy off the efficiency islands, I'm kinda surprised you were able to load it that much in first gear (dangers of AWD). What RPM did you drop the clutch at? Anyway, probably just shot a bunch of hot air into the engine, and BOOM.

Did you smoke the tires at all (DSC off?) If not maybe DSC (TCS, whatever) helped load the engine by applying the brakes at a very inconvenient time. (Just a guess)

[Blake]

that gt30r has got to be good for 30psi

[Maxx Mazda]

I'm ignorant towards the new MZR DISI engines. Are there forged internals yet? If so, I assume you're dropping those in?

[InlineTwin]

that gt30r has got to be good for 30psi


It is quite capable, but on the MS6 it can only do it between 5500 and 8000 RPM staying on the map. I'm assuming this was not the RPM he was running at. Launch at 4000 RPM and it could have been behind (to the left of) the surge line between 4000 and 5500 RPM.

[mazpro]

he said he hit 30PSI @ around 6000 in first gear.

it would be great if the MZR DISI could take the 30PSI tunned.

[InlineTwin]

Maybe it can...it will be interesting to see what he finds when he pulls the engine.

I suspect it was an out of cycle combustion as a result of running too much boost on the wrong turbo and without tuning.

[4DRHTRD]

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[nvmsp]

91 octane surely didnt help.

[Afroman]

The picture of all the Aluminum chunks is pretty priceless.

Just wondering, shouldnt the wastegate or something like that have opened up to not allow that much boost? Or with the cut out did it just spike so fast that the wastegate couldnt compensate?

Did the XEDE allow your turbo to overboost?

I have limited turbo knowlege and just wanted to know.


Good luck with the next motor!

[Gandalf]

Hmm, still cannot really tell from the pictures what failed. Is the block itself toast? Or did all the bits end up in the pan? Hrad to really see much from those pics.

To the guy asking about forged internals - the Speed6 engine already comes with forged internals from the factory.

[meinp5]

To the guy asking about forged internals - the Speed6 engine already comes with forged internals from the factory.

It has forged rods - but not pistons.

[Booster]

Read the first post..

Put in my request for a 3076R to replace my 3071R...
:)


HI!

If you are replacing your 3071R, I am interested in buying your 3071R, Send an email at jbaranda@amcatrucking.com or a PM here.

[Rainman]

When you are forging a new path like this sometimes these things happen. Sorry that it had to be you 4DRHTRD, but glad that we are all getting some info on the limitations of the MS6s engine. At least now we know one bad combination.

R

[Blake]

yea dude 30psi...should only be for race gas, unless you retard the timing like crazy.

[peanutsparts]

HI!

If you are replacing your 3071R, I am interested in buying your 3071R, Send an email at jbaranda@amcatrucking.com or a PM here.

Put me second in line. I want it on my MS3!

[Blake]

lol, until you guys get a solid ems I wouldnt be upgrading the turbo.

[Blake]

mmm vband

[nvmsp]

you dont need to upgrade the turbo to go fast, just like the msp. You just need more boost and more tune and more exhaust and the list goes on.

[peanutsparts]

you dont need to upgrade the turbo to go fast, just like the msp. You just need more boost and more tune and more exhaust and the list goes on.


The turbo on the DISI, is already at it's limit, 2-3lbs and ur blowing hot air..........

on the side note, how can u say that, when on ur sign, u upgraded the turbo in ur MSP?

[Klip]

Sorry to hear this 4DRHTRD but I have no doubt that this car will be back, stronger than before.(bowdown) keep us posted bud....

[Gandalf]

The turbo on the DISI, is already at it's limit, 2-3lbs and ur blowing hot air..........

on the side note, how can u say that, when on ur sign, u upgraded the turbo in ur MSP?

I keep hearing this - but to my knowledge no one has actually disassembled the turbo to check the trims. Most manufacturers don't just use stock off the shelf turbos, they have the company produce special versions to fit their cars (you can do that when you buy 100000 at a time). Everyone says the stock turbo is maxxed at 16 psi. But in reality it is really pushing about 19 psi stock because the stock intercooler has a 2-3psi pressure drop across the core. I doubt Mazda would have the turbo out of it's efficiency range right from the get go. Just a thought.

[4DRHTRD]

I can't put an official FS thread but my turbo is going to be sold to finance the 3076R. PM me if you're interested.

[peanutsparts]

I can't put an official FS thread but my turbo is going to be sold to finance the 3076R. PM me if you're interested.

PM recieved. will the turbo include the intake pieces too?

[4DRHTRD]

No, just the turbo

[4DRHTRD]

XEDE is available as well, PM me if you want info. I have a good set of install instructions as well.

Turbo has been sold BTW. :)

[Captain KRM P5]

XEDE is available as well, PM me if you want info. I have a good set of install instructions as well.

Turbo has been sold BTW. :)

we have made some wiring diagrams as well, if you could send them to me i wanted to compare them. we finally have the unit doing what we want it to do and so far its really good. let me know if you can copy me in those so i could compare them. thanks in advance.

[jcgemt2003]

Ken I think really good is a PRETTY BIG UNDERSTATEMENT..! Im hiiting 18psi to redline and spiking to 22psi right at spool up....This thing is WOW!

[Sveivo]

Ken I think really good is a PRETTY BIG UNDERSTATEMENT..! Im hiiting 18psi to redline and spiking to 22psi right at spool up....This thing is WOW!
(wow) (lol2) Sounds like fun.