Mazda Reflashed my ECU, Now I Am Not Getting a Black Tailpipe!

[alien1979]

You read it right. I took my Speed3 in for some warranty work and asked them if there was an updated program for the ECU. They did find one and reflashed it. I was complaining to them that the boost seemed very irregular. One day the car was fast as hell. The next, nada.

I picked it up a week ago, and the tailpipe is still clean. Before, the pipe would turn black after one day of driving.

Any thoughts or conclusions? Did they accidentally install the MS CAI program?

P.S. The car does feel a bit more torquey, but without dyno proof its subjective at best.

[Ferdball]

You read it right. I took my Speed3 in for some warranty work and asked them if there was an updated program for the ECU. They did find one and reflashed it. I was complaining to them that the boost seemed very irregular. One day the car was fast as hell. The next, nada.

I picked it up a week ago, and the tailpipe is still clean. Before, the pipe would turn black after one day of driving.

Any thoughts or conclusions? Did they accidentally install the MS CAI program?

P.S. The car does feel a bit more torquey, but without dyno proof its subjective at best.

According to this thread, Josh at RonTonkinMazda says that there is not ECU reflash. Who is your dealer?

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3023374#post3023374

i emailed mazda we have done one and have not been told about any reflash so i should find out for sure if there is one or not.

****There is no reflash for the MS CAI and if your dealer says there is they are wrong**** What dealer said there was a reflash?

[$inCitySpeed3]

my dealer is courtesy imports, out in vegas and they have it...it is to fix teh a/f mixture through out the rpm range...i have my appt tomorrow morning

[RonTonkinMazda]

there is a reflash for the p2006 code not for the ms cai

[SwampAss]

after I installed my CAI, my soot problem has been cut down drastically. I haven't been the dealer since my P2006 code back in Jan.

[alien1979]

According to this thread, Josh at RonTonkinMazda says that there is not ECU reflash. Who is your dealer?

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3023374#post3023374

Jeff Haas Mazda in Houston, TX. Update F0010XFX 0.3.

I had a chance to ring it out this evening and the car really does feel faster. On top of that, it was somewhat humid today, which typically the car feels slower on days like this.

[alien1979]

Please reread my post. I DO NOT have a CAI. I only asked the dealer about a reflash since I was having intermittent problems with boost. Sometimes the car just didnt feel that fast. So far it feels pretty damn good with this version of the ECU software (nee firmware).

[alien1979]

Jeff Haas Mazda in Houston, TX. Update F0010XFX 0.3.

I had a chance to ring it out this evening and the car really does feel faster. On top of that, it was somewhat humid today, which typically the car feels slower on days like this.

Doh, I thought that was the update number. That number is just the job code for Mazda. Sorry.

[SwampAss]

Please reread my post. I DO NOT have a CAI. I only asked the dealer about a reflash since I was having intermittent problems with boost. Sometimes the car just didnt feel that fast. So far it feels pretty damn good with this version of the ECU software (nee firmware).


reread mine. I didn't say you did. Just noting similar results with no "update".

[alien1979]

Wasnt directed at you, smartass. Oh, I mean Swampass. (poke)

[SwampAss]

(mswerd)

[Olestra]

Damn donkeys getting smart all of a sudden.

[alien1979]

Tailpipe is still pretty clean. Wish they had put the actual update version on my invoice.

[Speedy3]

The dealers are cost driven. Mazda will only reimburse them for warranty work thet they deem was a fault in design or bad part. Distinguishing this from environmental issues or abuse is difficult, so they choose to take the "guilty until proven innocent" approach. Blindly or half winked doing a re-flash for someone is a risk in accrued cost to the dealer. The re-flash they have now is for people complaining about power fluctuations. If you want the re-flash but don't necessarily have the symptoms, they wont do it or even admit they have it to avoid causing more drivability problems in the future....i.e. more cost.

[smo0f]

man it's like deja vu all over again like with the msp

[alien1979]

so the bottom line is that we have to wait for the aftermarket to tune the damn engine correctly? dont get me wrong, if my car never made any more hp, I would be happy. Its not bad out of the box. But when you have past experience like many of us have with the potential of certain cars, it makes it hard to say no.

[gone_fishin]

The black soot problem you're experiencing is due to your AF ratio being too rich. You're dumping fuel if that's happening.

[Mr.Jake]

My car has been doing the same thing lately. It seems to haul ass one day then the next day my moms sunfire would kill it. Right now it has not been holding boost, ( thats what it feels like anyway) I thought it was a bad turbo xs valve again, but the stock one didnt really change anything. I though it was something I did, but this kinda makes me thinkg now.

[alien1979]

The black soot problem you're experiencing is due to your AF ratio being too rich. You're dumping fuel if that's happening.

I realize you are trying to be helpful, but I am quite aware of what causes the tailpipe to be black. I didnt want to come on this board spouting off about what I do and dont know.

That being said, I come to these forums for help and knowledge and appreciate all that I have gotten.

This is my first turbo car and I wasnt aware that the OEMs set them up to run this rich. I realize they need to account for anything the car might see environmentally, but this seems to be excessive.

Whatever software (firmware) they loaded seems to have helped the car immensely. I only wish I could provide the group with a number to identify it.

[dpeat]

My car has been doing the same thing lately. It seems to haul ass one day then the next day my moms sunfire would kill it. Right now it has not been holding boost, ( thats what it feels like anyway) I thought it was a bad turbo xs valve again, but the stock one didnt really change anything. I though it was something I did, but this kinda makes me thinkg now.
What kind of gas are you putting in the car? If it's not 93 octane that could be the problem.

[fourthmeal]

First, the car runs on 91. 93 would make something like 2 more hp across the board. Second, I alerted a few people to what happened at the Vegas dealership (which is the one he's talking about) a few weeks ago, or so. Cedric (the service advisor) goes above and beyond whats asked of him, and he proactively searched for a reflash when I told him I think the car runs quite rich. Specifically, I pointed out to him that although I don't know the inner workings of the MZR turbo motor, I do know the usual A/F ratio expected of a typical turbo car, say around 12.0 or so. He didn't put it on an EGA to find out what the car was really doing, but he did say he found a reflash available in a service tip email sent to the dealer. NOT a TSB if I recall correctly.

I have direct access to ALL TSB's for any car, and any code that is possible for a car (I work at MPI's Identifix now), and when I looked up the MS3, I found no TSB's. At least ones that would be published to outside sources by a dealer.

However, service tips are sent out regularly, and thats what he used. SUCCESSFULLY I might add, since after the flash my car hauls butt, and doesn't do near as much bogging or smoke-screening behind me when I punch it.

[$inCitySpeed3]

What kind of gas are you putting in the car? If it's not 93 octane that could be the problem.
we dont have 93 we have 91...Prime/ideal air/fuel ratio on a boosted car(forced induction) should be 11.8. On a N/a car it's 13.2 or 13.8 having a brain fart

I had my computer reflashed by cedric last monday and i swear to god it took away the BOOST SPIKE(flame) (drive)...The car does feel faster overall, but you do not get the off the line feel anymore

[ZoomRedZoomGT]

Can ya ask Cedric what the number of the flash is or maybe where we can tell our local service guys to get it?? Some of us Im sure have service people not as interested in going above and beyond.

[SeanMSIII]

we dont have 93 we have 91...Prime/ideal air/fuel ratio on a boosted car(forced induction) should be 11.8. On a N/a car it's 13.2 or 13.8 having a brain fart

I had my computer reflashed by cedric last monday and i swear to god it took away the BOOST SPIKE(flame) (drive)...The car does feel faster overall, but you do not get the off the line feel anymore

Interesting, same thing as the MS6 reflash. Car seemed smoother, maybe even more powerful overall, but lost a kind of ragged edge zzzzing! when you stomped on it.

[$inCitySpeed3]

Interesting, same thing as the MS6 reflash. Car seemed smoother, maybe even more powerful overall, but lost a kind of ragged edge zzzzing! when you stomped on it.oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i'm am so happy someone else feels it...i will do what i can with cedric and check the reciept for yous

[dread]

where you been sean, its been a long time since i have seen you on the forums.

[SAVAGE70]

My MS3 has about 200 miles on it. Today I experienced the lack of power or boost. Really caught me offguard. But the ambient temps was about 40F. nice cold air, but no power. My tailpipe is getting all black now. I have to call my dealership to see what is going on.

[SharkDiver]

Hey all,
I have about 900 miles on mine and the tail pipe is all black with stuff dripping off it.I wipe it off and it comes right back.So I took my car in to mazda and he looked for a new flash and didnt find anything.He said I could make a appointment and they will hook it up and check for a new flash.I kinda thought they would know if they had a new flash or not without hooking the car up but I made a appointment anyways.I take it in on Tue. and he said it shouldnt take more then 45mins.I also did the swiss cheese mod thing to my intake box and a K&N filter,I hope they dont say anything about all the holes.
The car seems to run pretty good beside the black stuff.It does seem to have a misfire or something when Im at idle.I dont really think its a misfire but I dont know what else to call it.It may only do it when the car is cold tho,Im not real sure.

Shark

[SeanMSIII]

where you been sean, its been a long time since i have seen you on the forums.

Hey, thanks for asking. Just keeping a lower profile. I was truly obsessed when I first got my 6 and then when the 3 was coming out and I was deciding whether to make the switch, etc. It was a lot of fun and very interesting but I was spending w-a-a-a-a-a-a-y too much time on the forums. Now that things are settling down, I'm getting a better balance and just dive in now and again to keep up on stuff. What a great resource!

[dread]

Hey, thanks for asking. Just keeping a lower profile. I was truly obsessed when I first got my 6 and then when the 3 was coming out and I was deciding whether to make the switch, etc. It was a lot of fun and very interesting but I was spending w-a-a-a-a-a-a-y too much time on the forums. Now that things are settling down, I'm getting a better balance and just dive in now and again to keep up on stuff. What a great resource!

Yeah, I hear that. Do you still have the 6 and how are you liking the 3? I love mine.

As for the black stuff on your tail pipe and something that sounds like a misfire at idle, both are normal. The black stuff is caused by unburnt gasoline due to the car running so rich. What sounds like a misfire is probably just the sound of your exhaust as it burbles. This is common on exhausts with a large diameter.

[SharkDiver]

As for the black stuff on your tail pipe and something that sounds like a misfire at idle, both are normal. The black stuff is caused by unburnt gasoline due to the car running so rich. What sounds like a misfire is probably just the sound of your exhaust as it burbles. This is common on exhausts with a large diameter.
Thanks,

[Mr.Jake]

What kind of gas are you putting in the car? If it's not 93 octane that could be the problem.

I am running 91, that is all we have in Colorado. I was told that the Speed 6 was tuned for 93 octain and the speed3 was tuned for 91 though.

[BlackJack]

The Speed3 is tuned for 91 AND UP. Meaning, you can put in a 93 and it ill show a bit of a power boost due to the rich gas.

[Mr.Jake]

O I see. Well I am thinking of giving the dealer a call cause the car just doesnt seem to want to pull like it use to. If I hit it hard in second it pulls but it gets no wheel hop and doesnt put you in your seat like before. I have no idea what to do.

[knowledge007]

Its amazing how every dealer is different. I took my car in for an oil change and nothing was mentioned a reflash or update or w/e. My tailpipe has been black ever since day one....

[RonTonkinMazda]

Its amazing how every dealer is different. I took my car in for an oil change and nothing was mentioned a reflash or update or w/e. My tailpipe has been black ever since day one....


because the only reflash has to do with fixing the p2006 code i don't know why a dealer would do the reflash just because unless there is a p2006 code. they can't just update the ecu without the CEL being on mazda won't pay them for it.

[ZMN BY U]

hes right im a service advisor for a VW mazda dealership here in va and that is true. But I did check with a rep and he told me off the record just say your cel came on for a day then went out. tell them about your tail pipe and running issues. Mine idles very high in the morning around 2100 rpms and very rough at idle all the time. It does have some lag in 2nd gear but very strong at higher gears 4th 5th 6th is good. The only problem i see is the traction control cuts the power to the car if you shift it hard and it will bang and loose all power to the wheels or trans. I hope this may help. I will try to get the reflash done next week and Im wating on my cai. If there is any Va people here come see me at Bill Britt vw mazda in fredericksburg

[SAVAGE70]

Hello fello Speed3ers whats crackin'? I just talked to a head tech at my Mazda dealer and he says that there might be an update for the ECU. I really hope so cause my gas mileage is hurtin. I will go tomorrow and check it out. I will keep u guys posted. Oh yeah he did say something about the MAF sensor. He said pull out and make sure ther is no crud or junk on the wire. If so just clean it with brake cleaner or carb cleaner and reinstall it.

[SharkDiver]

I just got back from the dealer today for running rich and black exhaust stuff.They said there was a reflash so they flashed it.My car has a build date of 10/06 and I just picked it up about 2 weeks ago from the dealer if that makes a difference.
I havent had time to really see if there is a change in the way it runs yet but I will soon.

Shark

[camrycev6]

I just asked about this very thing last week. My dealer said there was no reflash for the MS3 right now.

[Mr.Jake]

My car is going in Tuesday cause my turbo isnt running correctly. They told me that they know about on the D.I.S.I engine of mazda that the turbo has a on/off switch that is not staying closed or opened something in that matter. Anyways he said that the car feels like constant turbo lag, and I told him that is what is going on. At the same time I asked him about the ecu. He said if there is a reflash for it, it will automaticaly update it when they plug the computer in. They dont ajust anything. So next tuesday I will let everyone know what the hell they did exactly after I talk to them and have a better understanding.

[SAVAGE70]

Hey fellow Speed3ers whats up? Well I got to my dealer and he said there was an update for the ECU. I watched as he installed it. He was not sure if it was for the rich condition or for preventing any false cels. I will monitor my tailpipe to see if the soot goes away or is reduced.

[$inCitySpeed3]

just a thought, but not every mazda dealership gets MS3's? ISn't it like most Tuner factory cars only certain dealerships have the rights to sell them? Mabye I SAY MAYBE, only mazdaspeed dealerships have the reflash, because they are doing the flashes out here in vegas

[Mr.Jake]

Good point never thought of that.

[knowledge007]

Just got off the phone with my dealer here in Miami, Fl and they say they do not know of any reflash for our ECU...???

[$inCitySpeed3]

do they sell mazdaspeed

[knowledge007]

do they sell mazdaspeed

What do you mean. Like I said, my dealer where I purchased my MS3 states they do not know of any reflash.

[SharkDiver]

I had to drive 1.5 Hrs. to get to my nearest speed dealer to buy my car.To get my work done I take it to my local dealer that I got all my other mazdas from,They are not a speed dealer.

Shark

[C'ville]

I called two speed dealers in my area and they do not know about a reflash either..

What do you mean. Like I said, my dealer where I purchased my MS3 states they do not know of any reflash.

[clos561]

I realize you are trying to be helpful, but I am quite aware of what causes the tailpipe to be black. I didnt want to come on this board spouting off about what I do and dont know.

That being said, I come to these forums for help and knowledge and appreciate all that I have gotten.

This is my first turbo car and I wasnt aware that the OEMs set them up to run this rich. I realize they need to account for anything the car might see environmentally, but this seems to be excessive.

Whatever software (firmware) they loaded seems to have helped the car immensely. I only wish I could provide the group with a number to identify it.
yea mine gets really black fast...sometimes when i floor it and look back i see some black smoke come out....i use 93 octance i duno if that makes a diff in the richness of the car or w/e

[SharkDiver]

I called two speed dealers in my area and they do not know about a reflash either..
When I talked to my dealer they also said they dont know of any code.He said when the mechanic looks at it he will know if there is a flash or not.
Turns out he said there was a flash,or they are not telling the truth.

Shark

[$inCitySpeed3]

First, to eliminate torque spikes from the turbocharger the powertrain control module (PCM) releases some of the boost in first and second gear, only allowing full boost beyond second gear. The drive-by-wire system can also be used to smooth driver inputs, further eliminating torque spikes.

Steering angle will also affect the level of torque by limiting power when the wheels are turned. The limited-slip differential also minimizes wheel slippage during hard cornering.

While all this sounds very complex (and it is), this power management is completely invisible to drivers. We drove the car before learning exactly how the torque gets managed, and we were unaware of the technology working on our behalf.

just read this in a mag about the boost on the ms3, i know everyone knows but i did not know the second part

[fourthmeal]

just read this in a mag about the boost on the ms3, i know everyone knows but i did not know the second part

One of the many, many reviews I read before buying one myself. I think it works great.

[justa4banger]

WOW first off i don't like the black soot (unburnt fuel) on the tail pipe either but i think the main issues here is a possible lack of experience with turbo cars and WAY too much trust in dealerships.
I'm betting that a service manager would be willing to say there was a flash update even if there wasn't just to give the customer a WARM FUZZY. He may even hook up the computer and just Flash it (reset it)

I have had my car for 3300 miles now and drag raced it, dogged it, drove it nice, drove in extreme cold (teens cold for me me Damn it :D ) drove it in 80* temps and never felt weird power issues. YES the steering will affect the power.
Yes i believe sometimes the DSC (when on) is sometimes slow to react and fumbles itself when you do back to back WOT blasts. At the track though i tried smooth launching and hard launches and i always crossed the traps at the same speed. Times varied but speed was consitant as long as i didn't F'up the launch to bad.

Until there is official TSB for a reflash i don't see whats the arguement is.

ALSO Regardless of whether or not a delaer is an authorized speed dealer or not, TSB hit EVERY dealership. they have to, as you might not have access to a "special " dealer.
The only car i know that has a special ECU and it requires special info is the new Shelby Gt's as i had a tuner friend try to flash the ECU and wasn't able to. he had to get info from another source to break their special encryption crap.

Last comment if the flash is out there, WHY hasn't ANYONE produced the number for it????? Why is this reflash as secret as the conspirators behind the Kennedy assasination?????????:D

[fourthmeal]

once again, Cedric from the dealership mentioned that in a newsletter from Mazda service central, that there is a reflash to MS3's that complain of this problem. Its not on a TSB yet (I have access to all TSB's, Identifix employee) but it is available to the reflash programmers on the internet, if you know where to look. Its there, but its not documented like others. Its more of a "by request, if you happened to have read about it" deal. If your service tech hasn't read the update, then sure, he/she's got no idea, and thinks you're crazy. Cedric himself said he hadn't heard of one when I called him about it, but by the time I got there for the oil change (next day), he said his research led him to the reflash location, and he did it for me.

If you want to, call 702-567-8000, ask for Mazda service, talk w/ Cedric about it. But don't tell me I got a warm fuzzy for nothing. I don't see things that way, and I have to see or have a difference to notice anything. Thats just me.

[SAVAGE70]

Hey fouthmeal did he tell u what the reflash does or supposed to do? I know when I got mine done the tech was not sure what it did. He just hooked up the scanner and said an update was available.

[fourthmeal]

i've mentioned it a few times, but it was probably back at the beginning of this post.

I told him that it was running rich to me (from my previous experience w/ turbo cars), and when he looked around for a flash, he found one. It mentioned the things I was talking about above, and so we tried it. It worked.

[justa4banger]

Hey 4thmeal, i'm not attacking you, i just find it hard to believe that IF this fix exists then WHY isn't it on a TSB???????
The Soot on the tail pipoe is a problem. Its WASTING FUEL..... not to mention its bring back my tennis elbow from having to clean the tail pipe.

Could i get a current pic of your tail pipe to see if this So called flash is worth the effort of finding.

[fourthmeal]

(dunno) You didn't attack me, bud.

Its not a TSB because it is not a Technical Service Bulletin. TSB's are written by Mazda engineers, and checked with attorneys. I have access to the same TSB's as the factory, and there is no TSB for this car. The MS3 is only afflicted with a recall, which those who have one know about (the all-season floormats)

There are all sorts of letters and advisements sent to dealer service shops that aren't TSB's. Often, its just not that important. Updates are not usually done w/ TSB's. So, look less for a TSB on it, and more of a technical note. Call and ask Cedric if you like. He's a great guy.

Don't get me wrong, my tailpipe doesn't stay squeaky clean. Far from it. However, there is no more of a cloud of black smoke behind me when I punch it. I'd say its more of a tiny haze. But, under WOT, any car runs a little rich. What really seals the deal for me is that my back hatch area is no longer coated in soot. That was annoying. Just the tailpipe, and much less then before.

Also, gas mileage has increased about 1.5 - 2.0 mpg, avg.

[$inCitySpeed3]

The only car i know that has a special ECU and it requires special info is the new Shelby Gt's as i had a tuner friend try to flash the ECU and wasn't able to. he had to get info from another source to break their special encryption crap.

Last comment if the flash is out there, WHY hasn't ANYONE produced the number for it????? Why is this reflash as secret as the conspirators behind the Kennedy assasination?????????
actually all new dodges(charger,SRTs,300 etc come with the encryption, and so do many others, whats funny is i've never heard of the shelby problem, and i doubt that there is just some guy out there with the code to break it because the nustang aftermarket is probably the biggestaftermaket for cars, but whatever...The flash is not a secert, every speed 3 in vegas has gotten it, i wasn't dont think it's a differnt ecu either, would be a waste, when they have bundles in the parts bin. I wouldn't think they wouldn,t make a TSB, due to the fact of the RX8 being underpowered and they had to buy thousands back, it is not a major problem, just a the air/fuel correction, and might only be affecting cars in different area, like the desert or high mtns, just a guess..

[$inCitySpeed3]

ALSO Regardless of whether or not a delaer is an authorized speed dealer or not, TSB hit EVERY dealership. they have to, as you might not have access to a "special " dealer.
The only car i know that has a special ECU and it requires special info is the new Shelby Gt's as i had a tuner friend try to flash the ECU and wasn't able to. he had to get info from another source to break their special encryption crap.

Last comment if the flash is out there, WHY hasn't ANYONE produced the number for it????? Why is this reflash as secret as the conspirators behind the Kennedy assasination?????????
actually all new dodges(charger,SRTs,300 etc come with the encryption, and so do many others, whats funny is i've never heard of the shelby problem, and i doubt that there is just some guy out there with the code to break it because the nustang aftermarket is probably the biggestaftermaket for cars, but whatever...The flash is not a secert, every speed 3 in vegas has gotten it, i wasn't dont think it's a differnt ecu either, would be a waste, when they have bundles in the parts bin. I wouldn't think they wouldn,t make a TSB, due to the fact of the RX8 being underpowered and they had to buy thousands back, it is not a major problem, just a the air/fuel correction, and might only be affecting cars in different area, like the desert or high mtns, just a guess..






also my gas has increased a couple also

if the dealer doesn't carry speeds then it wouldn't carry anything for it if it pertains to the speed

[alien1979]

Hey all, glad to see there is much debate on this subject. After having the reflash for a while, here are some thoughts.

The tailpipe does eventually turn black again, but it takes MUCH longer to happen. It takes days or weeks now as opposed to less than a day.

I have been struggling with the idea of getting an intake. I want to get one ( Mazdaspeed or CPE) but havent decided which one. I am having a hard time believing that Mazda would send a part out the door without testing it, which I think is what CPE is alluding to. I would think if there was a possibility of a warranty issue they would test it.

At the same time, I have had some stupid problems with the car already (airbag system, blown shock, etc.) so anything is possible.

[justhavnfun]

Hey all,
I have about 900 miles on mine and the tail pipe is all black with stuff dripping off it.I wipe it off and it comes right back.So I took my car in to mazda and he looked for a new flash and didnt find anything.He said I could make a appointment and they will hook it up and check for a new flash.I kinda thought they would know if they had a new flash or not without hooking the car up but I made a appointment anyways.I take it in on Tue. and he said it shouldnt take more then 45mins.I also did the swiss cheese mod thing to my intake box and a K&N filter,I hope they dont say anything about all the holes.
The car seems to run pretty good beside the black stuff.It does seem to have a misfire or something when Im at idle.I dont really think its a misfire but I dont know what else to call it.It may only do it when the car is cold tho,Im not real sure.

Shark


you took a drill to your intake box?!!! omg!

[voiceKoil]

you took a drill to your intake box?!!! omg!

I took a RotoZIp to mine, one big hole on the side closest to the fender where theres a duct that feeds from the front of the bumper.. ZINGGG :) Put a K&N in and called it a day.

oh and Im gettin my whole car checked out tomorrow, Ive got a bunch of questions for them, this topic will be one of them because I swear I can sit and honestly watch my exhuast tip get dirty... I expected a little but its Very annoying as is..

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[$inCitySpeed3]

you took a drill to your intake box?!!! omg!U must not own one, or you dont folow the board much...yes it adds AP(ass power----prolly makes 1 or 2 ponies but no one has dynod before after) and make the turbo sound cool

[bast525]

Hoping that guy that works at Fredericksburg VA dealership will chime back in.

My car has been having the 'power fluctuations' as well.. sucks ass, sometimes it does not feel fast AT ALL.

I want to take it to the dealer but I can already see them being reluctant to do a damn thing about it....

[SharkDiver]

U must not own one, or you dont folow the board much...yes it adds AP(ass power----prolly makes 1 or 2 ponies but no one has dynod before after) and make the turbo sound cool
Im guessing more like 10-15Hp with the K&N and the holes.Someone did a dyno with the stock air box open and got 20hp then they put the MS CAI on and it added 30hp.But I do know its more hp then stock and thats what Im looking for in a free mod.

[bast525]

Im guessing more like 10-15Hp with the K&N and the holes.Someone did a dyno with the stock air box open and got 20hp then they put the MS CAI on and it added 30hp.But I do know its more hp then stock and thats what Im looking for in a free mod.

That's a rumor and it has been disproven. Sport Compact Car put a stock MS3 on the dyno and then tried running it with the air box open which threw a check engine light. They then tried running it with NO air filter in the air box and gained only a few peak HP, though they did pick up more power in the midrange, like 4000 rpm area. They then dynoed with CAI and catback exhaust and gained a peak of 15hp BUT the midrange from like 3000-4500rpm did gain about 30 hp/ftlbs which is a huge, and I imagine very noticeable when driving, difference.

If you find the dyno threads here people have been gaining as much as 20 hp from the CAI, no one gained 30 that I've seen and trust me I've searched a LOT.



Back on topic: called my local dealer and complained of the power fluctuations and rich running, I have an appointment tommorow to come hook up the computer and scan for any updated flashes. We shall see.

[hunterbrandon]

Just had my reflash done today and the car does feel a better but they also stuck an "authorized modification" sticker on my car. did anyone eles get this?

[camrycev6]

Talked to a MS3 dealer...they still don't know anything about a reflash. Something isn't right here...why would Mazda not inform the dealers? I am going to try another Speed dealer in the area....I will let everyone know...

[camrycev6]

Ok...here is the deal. I called another MS dealer and told them the story. He said he hasn't heard of any reflashes for MS3s, but there were 2 for MS6s. Just to be sure, he told me to give him my VIN, so I did and he confirmed that their were no reflashes, reprograms (his words), or upgrades available for the MS3. I don't know what more I can say. That is two different official speed dealers that say there just simply isn't one available for the MS3.

Mazda is either completely FUBAR as far as a company goes (to have some dealers doing an upgrade that doesn't even show up in their official system), or there is something very strange going on...

[hunterbrandon]

The dealer I went to actually had to call mazda tech assistance to get the upgrade and they had to manually load it. or thats what they told me anyway. it took them two days to get my car back to me so it might just take a while to get it from mazda

[camrycev6]

The dealer I went to actually had to call mazda tech assistance to get the upgrade and they had to manually load it. or thats what they told me anyway. it took them two days to get my car back to me so it might just take a while to get it from mazda

If you call a Mazdaspeed service department, how much more technical do you need to get? This guy put the VIN in the system that is supposed to tell them if there is even one available. I would understand if he said, "Yes there is one, but we don't have it here. We will have to order it, download, it, etc." The fact that two different dealerships say there isn't one available at all is perplexing. Surely if there was a Mazda tech support for Mazda technicians, they would be aware of it and could do a simply call / check to see if they were missing something. Considering the importance of updates / recalls / reprograms, you would think there would be constant updates between the two Mazda divisions. If not, this leads me back to my FUBAR theory....
(scratch)

[$inCitySpeed3]

Considering the importance of updates / recalls / reprograms, you would think there would be constant updates between the two Mazda divisions. If not, this leads me back to my FUBAR theory....
Maybe because it's not that big of a deal, not huge gains...very minimal, and they are still very rich, so why make a huge point when a better one will be out shortly, i just call bs that a dealer would waste the time for no reason, since they ar 60+ ahour and doing it for free

[knowledge007]

Maybe because it's not that big of a deal, not huge gains...very minimal, and they are still very rich, so why make a huge point when a better one will be out shortly, i just call bs that a dealer would waste the time for no reason, since they ar 60+ ahour and doing it for free

Thats not the point he is trying to make. This is a new model. With that being said, if there is a recall or a reflash all dealers should be notified as well as the buyer to keep the car up to date and running efficiently.

Why would some dealers reflash the system if there is no reason for the reflash. It does not make sense. I have also asked my dealer and they know nothing about a reflash or an update. Their is something very wrong here and this needs to be cleared up. But it seems that this is not going to happen anytime soon. And thats the part that scares me. Now I dont' even know If I should put my turbo back on or wait for the final outcome??? Turbo back is in hand...

[turbofever]

because the only reflash has to do with fixing the p2006 code i don't know why a dealer would do the reflash just because unless there is a p2006 code. they can't just update the ecu without the CEL being on mazda won't pay them for it. +1 That's what my local dealer said aswell.

[clos561]

+1 That's what my local dealer said aswell.
p2006? what is that

[clos561]

if i have to take my car for a reflash should i taek my bov valve off and put on the stock one?

[$inCitySpeed3]

Just had my reflash done today and the car does feel a better but they also stuck an "authorized modification" sticker on my car. did anyone eles get this?i did not

[knowledge007]

if i have to take my car for a reflash should i taek my bov valve off and put on the stock one?

If you have on recirc then no.

[chuci]

The black soot problem you're experiencing is due to your AF ratio being too rich. You're dumping fuel if that's happening.

The exhaust tip on mine looks like a lump of coal... does anyone know if there is an aftermarket tuner in the Austin, TX area? I'm not looking for power as much as a cleaner a/f ratio and better mileage - that damn gas pedal will kill any fuel economy no matter how much you tweak!

That said - who has used any of the tuner black-boxes out there? I've only seen the XEDE on the Protoge' Garage site. Is this worth the expense or will a good re-flash tuner do a better job? (screwy)

[camrycev6]

Thats not the point he is trying to make. This is a new model. With that being said, if there is a recall or a reflash all dealers should be notified as well as the buyer to keep the car up to date and running efficiently.

Why would some dealers reflash the system if there is no reason for the reflash. It does not make sense. I have also asked my dealer and they know nothing about a reflash or an update. Their is something very wrong here and this needs to be cleared up. But it seems that this is not going to happen anytime soon. And thats the part that scares me. Now I dont' even know If I should put my turbo back on or wait for the final outcome??? Turbo back is in hand...

You hit the nail on the head my friend. That is EXACTLY the point I was trying to make. The confusion at Mazda's technical level is quite disturbing. Whether or not this is a "minor" upgrade has nothing (and shouldn't) to do with this. There either is an ECU reflash or there isn't. The fact that several of us have talked to several dealers around the country, provided VINs, pissed some people off just by continually asking, and the answer was a solid no -- makes me very frustrated. Here is my solution for my sanity.

Can EVERYONE who has had the upgrade tell me what Mazda dealership did it? I am going to call them and speak them to myself. I will get to the bottom of this.

Please provide a number of the dealer if you can, otherwise I can just Google it.

[knowledge007]

I just called mazda usa and they say there is a reflash for the MS6 but nothing for the MS3. wtf...

[camrycev6]

I just called mazda usa and they say there is a reflash for the MS6 but nothing for the MS3. wtf...

Yes...I know. I got the same info yesterday. (It was in an earlier post of mine.) For the record, I was told there were 2 reflashes for the MS6, but zero -- and there never has been one -- for the MS3.

As soon as some of the folks who have had the MS3 reflash provide the dealers that did them, I am going to call them and get some specifics...

"We're on a mission from God."
--- Jake and Elwood Blues

This little ECU crap has put me on a mission.

[M3_Zoom]

once again, Cedric from the dealership mentioned that in a newsletter from Mazda service central, that there is a reflash to MS3's that complain of this problem. Its not on a TSB yet (I have access to all TSB's, Identifix employee) but it is available to the reflash programmers on the internet, if you know where to look. Its there, but its not documented like others. Its more of a "by request, if you happened to have read about it" deal. If your service tech hasn't read the update, then sure, he/she's got no idea, and thinks you're crazy. Cedric himself said he hadn't heard of one when I called him about it, but by the time I got there for the oil change (next day), he said his research led him to the reflash location, and he did it for me.

If you want to, call 702-567-8000, ask for Mazda service, talk w/ Cedric about it. But don't tell me I got a warm fuzzy for nothing. I don't see things that way, and I have to see or have a difference to notice anything. Thats just me.

Hey camrycev6, this is the only posted phone number so far. I'm getting ready to make a phone call and see if I can come up with anything. What dealer(s) have you dealt with in MD? I know one of the service mechanics at Gaithersburg Mazda races and tests for Mazda. This may or may not be a start.

[Barney]

FWIW I get 30 MPG easily on the freeway with mine, the tailpipe is black. I figure it's probably just the nature of the beast. Also noticed after I run the car hard it runs better overall, maybe just me. Also own a 94 Z-28 6 speed that is well modded, heads cam, ect. With a custom computer from Fastchips. Runs rich as hell when cold. Pipes black. Car has 184000 miles on it and puts 340 HP to the rear wheels and easily gets 28 MPG on the freeway. I'm not too worried about the black on the tailpipe. As long as it runs good (which it does) and gets good mileage, I'm not too concerned about it.

[M3_Zoom]

FWIW I get 30 MPG easily on the freeway with mine, the tailpipe is black. I figure it's probably just the nature of the beast. Also noticed after I run the car hard it runs better overall, maybe just me. Also own a 94 Z-28 6 speed that is well modded, heads cam, ect. With a custom computer from Fastchips. Runs rich as hell when cold. Pipes black. Car has 184000 miles on it and puts 340 HP to the rear wheels and easily gets 28 MPG on the freeway. I'm not too worried about the black on the tailpipe. As long as it runs good (which it does) and gets good mileage, I'm not too concerned about it.


Barney, I agree. I was the prior owner of a 2004 SRT-4 and although I had many upgrades on it, it also had mass amounts of black soot on the exhaust tips. When I first purchased it, even in stock form and staying out of the pedal it produces allot of soot.

I think the concerns are this, is the so called reflash to adjust the air/fuel ratio etc. thus "minimizing" the black soot or is it a complete remap that's going to allow our cars to run better across the band, bla bla bla........... The soot is caused by excess fuel dump/running very rich and what I'm starting to lean more towards is this. The Mazdaspeed Cold Air Intake installed does not just raise an eyebrow, it opens both eyes wide open. Never in my many years of tuning cars have I seen a four cylinder car make that amount of extra HP with just a CAI added on. The claim is 30HP/30ftlbs so again just a guess, maybe these cars were set up rich knowing that most who purchase this car will add bolt-ons and interestingly enough we have the already produced Mazdaspeed parts to equalize the excess fuel. All that extra air with a CAI would be no good if we did not have the fuel to keep up. Additionally and just as interesting is the fact that there are claims of some gaining up to 20HP with just a K&N drop-in filter. Finally, I do recall reading somewhere here that those who have installed a Mazdaspeed CAI have almost eliminated there soot problem. Just some food for thought.

[$inCitySpeed3]

no it doesn't stop the soot problem

[knowledge007]

no it doesn't stop the soot problem3

How do you know, aren't you a 'bone stock hatch of death'?

[M3_Zoom]

no it doesn't stop the soot problem

Are you saying you have the Mazdaspeed CAI and still have the soot problem?

[major error]

FWIW, carbon/soot is the byproduct of any combustion process.

The way I see it, it's a good thing that it's coming out the tailpipe! Would you rather it all stayed in the engine? ;)

[camrycev6]

Hey camrycev6, this is the only posted phone number so far. I'm getting ready to make a phone call and see if I can come up with anything. What dealer(s) have you dealt with in MD? I know one of the service mechanics at Gaithersburg Mazda races and tests for Mazda. This may or may not be a start.

I have talked to Russel Mazda of Rt. 40. (Near Ellicott City.) I have also talked to Heritage Mazda of Bel Air, and Rich Morton Mazda in Pasedena. All of them are Speed dealers. None of them has heard of this upgrade (or any reflashes at all) of MS3. All of them knew about the ones for the MS6.

[M3_Zoom]

I have talked to Russel Mazda of Rt. 40. (Near Ellicott City.) I have also talked to Heritage Mazda of Bel Air, and Rich Morton Mazda in Pasedena. All of them are Speed dealers. None of them has heard of this upgrade (or any reflashes at all) of MS3. All of them knew about the ones for the MS6.


Bill Britt Mazda of Fredricksburg states they only have the one for the p2006 Cel and they are a Mazdaspeed dealer. Let me call Gaithersburg Mazda and see what they have to say. Again, Gaithersburg Mazda, MD is a Mazdaspeed Dealer and one of there mechanics is a Mazdaspeed racer and test driver for there various events. I'm almost starting to believe those that are recieving the "re-flash" are indeed recieving the p2006 re-flash. If Gaithersburg has no news then I'm going to give the one previous mentioned dealer in CA a call.

[camrycev6]

P2007 Cel...Is that for the MS3? I just want to be sure.

[$inCitySpeed3]

3

How do you know, aren't you a 'bone stock hatch of death'?well thats for me to know, and you to find out....it does not stop it the car still runs rich

[M3_Zoom]

P2006 Cel...Is that for the MS3? I just want to be sure.

Yes it is. What is does, I really do not know. Some MS3's trip a Cel light and it stays on while others will have it come on for a day and it goes out on it's own. The dealers clear it and is it linked to a re-flash? I can't answer that either. Just like this so called re-flash we can't seem to get a strait answer on. I do know that Josh from Tonkin has posted a little bit about the p2006 but I have yet to speak to him directly.

*I just called Gaithersburg Mazda and they are looking it up. As soon as I hear back from them I will submit a post.

[M3_Zoom]

well thats for me to know, and you to find out....it does not stop it the car still runs rich


Nice signature!!! Anyhow, again I'm with you. I could care less about the soot myself but if there is a re-flash and it overall makes the car run better (which some are claiming) across the entire band then like most, I want it. But if there is no such animal, I think others like a few of us are doing need to do there homework before they start passing bad word. I mean no harm to anyone but at my age and experience with cars there is no need to read BS, just tell it how it is.

(drinks)

[M3_Zoom]

If you want to, call 702-567-8000, ask for Mazda service, talk w/ Cedric about it. But don't tell me I got a warm fuzzy for nothing. I don't see things that way, and I have to see or have a difference to notice anything. Thats just me.

OK Folks, I just called Courtesy Imports and I'm here on the East Cost. Cedric is on vacation but I was happily assisted by a different service employee. I supplied him with my VIN# and there are no re-flashes HOWEVER, he did state that does not mean there is no update and the only way to find that out is to hook your car up to the machine. Will your dealer hook your car up just because, I highly doubt it because if nothing is found they have no reference to put on there paperwork and in turn they do not get paid.

[clos561]

If you have on recirc then no.
yea its running recirc..i ran it vta for 2 days and i was getting back fires, and in between shifts it was difficult to get it dirinvg normal with shakin between shifts..it was really wierd but now with recirc i can hear my turbo spool louder for some reason

[camrycev6]

OK Folks, I just called Courtesy Imports and I'm here on the East Cost. Cedric is on vacation but I was happily assisted by a different service employee. I supplied him with my VIN# and there are no re-flashes HOWEVER, he did state that does not mean there is no update and the only way to find that out is to hook your car up to the machine. Will your dealer hook your car up just because, I highly doubt it because if nothing is found they have no reference to put on there paperwork and in turn they do not get paid.

This is just plain crazy.

a) The dealers don't know about upgrades until the specific car is acutally connected to a machine? What kind of 1970s technology is that?
b) Assuming the updates are dated / have a version # (like 99% of all software out there), surely it would be only a question of model, year, and factory release date. A 2007 MS3 that came from the factory in Feb. should be at the same version as every other one at that time. If there were 5000 made, someone knows if they have a damn upgrade for them or not.
c) It comes down to a money issue? What if I was willing to pay for it?

This is hurting my head.

[clos561]

if anything comes out for a computer reflash you should recieve something in the mail.....people that got it proly jsut got the stock code reenterd...like when u reboot ur computer...duno jsut guessin

[hunterbrandon]

The "authorized modification" sticker the dealer put on my car has a flash number on it would that help you guys out?

[clos561]

where did they put the sticker?

[M3_Zoom]

The "authorized modification" sticker the dealer put on my car has a flash number on it would that help you guys out?

It's worth a try but the car is suppose to get a reflash with the Mazdaspeed CAI correct?

[hunterbrandon]

right inside the drivers door jam

[M3_Zoom]

right inside the drivers door jam


Hunterbrandon, so what is the flash number? It would be interesting to find that's the same re-flash others are claiming to receive. Thank you in advance.

[camrycev6]

It's worth a try but the car is suppose to get a reflash with the Mazdaspeed CAI correct?

That is the big question here. The answer varies. A sales person told me yes, but then after talking to three techs at various dealers, the answer has always been that there is no reflash for a MS3 under any conditions.

[turbofever]

The reflash has nothing to do with a CAI, or a black tail pipe.

If your car throws a p2006 code, and they replace the swirl shutter valve actuator, there is a reprogram to go with it. It’s that simple guys. There is no reflash unless you get that actuator replaced.

[camrycev6]

The reflash has nothing to do with a CAI, or a black tail pipe.

If your car throws a p2006 code, and they replace the swirl shutter valve actuator, there is a reprogram to go with it. It’s that simple guys. There is no reflash unless you get that actuator replaced.

I would be inclinded to agree. All of my research says there is no reflash for the MS3. Period. (Your exception above is clearly a fix for a specific problem, not a general reflash of a "normal" vehicle.)

[M3_Zoom]

That is the big question here. The answer varies. A sales person told me yes, but then after talking to three techs at various dealers, the answer has always been that there is no reflash for a MS3 under any conditions.

I just spoke to Kevin at Gaithersburg Mazda and he looked up re-flashes/updates for the MS3 in all the places we can't (Notes, e-mails, electronic update files, spoke with Mazda Tech Rep etc.) and THERE IS NOT A re-flash or update for the MS3. These guys race for Mazdaspeed and track test there products and if there was an update they would certainly know about it. Now he did say there is an update for those of you who live out west/northwest that are under strict SMOG Emissions standards. And interestingly enough the soot on your exhaust is your car running rich like all of us but in your neck of the woods it's not as tolerated so they have an update to change your Air : Fuel ratio. So that could very well be the "Re-flash" some of you are receiving and certainly put an end to the entire "MS3 Re-flash" rumor.

I further asked him if there was a Re-flash upon installing the CAI and he said NO however, it does come with an "installed aftermarket part sticker" that includes a re-flash number/code but that is to be used IF AND ONLY IF you through a cell. That same number/code can be used at any dealer. It DOES NOT in anyway increase your performance. If anything it changes the acceptable A/F metering by the ECM; they know what the tolerances are. Those out west that have had this re-flash you may experience better drivability but remember the higher your altitude etc. any car runs/responds differently. Maybe your cars with the extra fuel we all get and the altitude you're at causes your MS3's to respond differently so there was a need for an update in your neck of the woods.

M3_Speed from Alcatraz OUT!!! (drive2)

[M3_Zoom]

The reflash has nothing to do with a CAI, or a black tail pipe.

If your car throws a p2006 code, and they replace the swirl shutter valve actuator, there is a reprogram to go with it. It’s that simple guys. There is no reflash unless you get that actuator replaced.

I second that turbofever! I just made another post and again I mean no harm, but others really need to do there homework before threads get out of control and become something they should not be. (drinks)

camrycev6 if you need any service completed the folks at Gaithersburg Mazda in Gaithersburg, MD are fantastic. Just ask for Kevin or Roy and they are a Mazdaspeed dealer. (rockon)

[bast525]

Back on topic: called my local dealer and complained of the power fluctuations and rich running, I have an appointment tommorow to come hook up the computer and scan for any updated flashes. We shall see.

Went to the dealer today... just my luck, their entire system was down and they weren't even able to check if there was a reflash available.

The tech I spoke with said he knew there was a reflash for the MS6 but didn't know anything about one for the MS3.

I mentioned that it would have been in an email and he said he had never seen anything like that.

He got all my information and stated he would check for it when their systems were up and would call me if he found anything.

Of course... I never got a call. I'll try again another day.

[chaos4]

Are you saying you have the Mazdaspeed CAI and still have the soot problem?

YES, still have it, still get 25+ mpg. Not worried about it!(stfu)

[chaos4]

Are we still waiting for Hunterbrandon with the reflash #?

[speed5hornet]

(sorry to budge in on u mazdaspeed3 guys) but my exhaust gets very black on my p5 after only a day or two of driving? could my a/f ratio be off? i do have a mazdaspeed exhaust but i dont think that is the problem?

[hunterbrandon]

Sorry it took so long had to go to work but i took a pic instead so you could all see. i dont have a digital camera so a cell phone is the best i could do.

[hunterbrandon]

also a lot of people have been saying they wont do this without a cel is wrong, I just went in and asked and they did it and it was all covered under warranty.

[knowledge007]

well thats for me to know, and you to find out....it does not stop it the car still runs rich

I really dont give a shit if you are or not. If your bone stock then you wouldn't know to begin with. I will leave it at that.

[knowledge007]

It's worth a try but the car is suppose to get a reflash with the Mazdaspeed CAI correct?

No, no reflash is required. You must disconnect the negative battery cable when installing and thats it. YOU DO NOT REFLASH THE ECU FOR A CAI INSTALL!!!

[M3_Zoom]

also a lot of people have been saying they wont do this without a cel is wrong, I just went in and asked and they did it and it was all covered under warranty.


hunterbrandon, again please read my post a few prior to this one. Look where you live vice others. I'm on the East Coast and the reflash is not to help with the performance of the installation of the intake. That same code is used if anyone throughs a Cel for running lean/rich thus allowing the tech to clear it. As far as anyone being able to go in a get that "re-flash" YES you are right there is an update, but it is for those of you who live out on the West Coast as well as in the Northwest region who are held to much more strict SMOG/Emissions standards.

[camrycev6]

I second that turbofever! I just made another post and again I mean no harm, but others really need to do there homework before threads get out of control and become something they should not be. (drinks)

camrycev6 if you need any service completed the folks at Gaithersburg Mazda in Gaithersburg, MD are fantastic. Just ask for Kevin or Roy and they are a Mazdaspeed dealer. (rockon)

Thanks M3 Zoom. Gaithersburg is a little out of the way for me. I am going to try the one in Ellicott City (the closest) and see how they do. If I don't like them, I will consider going to Gaithersburg.

On another note, I am so glad to finally see this topic closed. No reflash for my MS3.

[M3_Zoom]

Thanks M3 Zoom. Gaithersburg is a little out of the way for me. I am going to try the one in Ellicott City (the closest) and see how they do. If I don't like them, I will consider going to Gaithersburg.

On another note, I am so glad to finally see this topic closed. No reflash for my MS3.


camrycev6 anytime! I'm here for everyone and I would hope all that subscribe to this forum feel the same way. If anything comes up on the car, rest assure you will hear from me.

(2thumbs)

[camrycev6]

Of course. Happy to look out for my fellow Zoomers....

[chuci]

The reflash has nothing to do with a CAI, or a black tail pipe.

If your car throws a p2006 code, and they replace the swirl shutter valve actuator, there is a reprogram to go with it. It’s that simple guys. There is no reflash unless you get that actuator replaced.
Had the issue and they replaced the valve itself. There wasn't any re-flash along with it, just clearing the codes. The soot absolutely is from running rich (too many bike exhausts over the years) - other than a re-flash from a tuner, is there any other tip out there?

[alien1979]

I love how several people have given me a back handed insult by insinuating that:

1) my dealer (Jeff Haas Mazda in Houston Texas) must be lying

2) it is my imagination that the tailpipe is staying cleaner than it did

I can only go by my results. Just because your local dealer says it doesnt exist, doesnt mean anything.

I experienced this mob mentality for 5 years on the Miata.net forum. I am just trying to share some info with you guys. YMMV.

(rant) (rant) (rant) (rant) (rant) (rant)

[camrycev6]

I just spoke with Brian Brey (sp?) at Jeff Haas Mazda (service dept.) in Houston about any reflashes for the MS3. He said there weren't any. I asked him to please double check. He did... No upgrades / reflash for the MS3. Period.

No one is attacking you alien...but clearly (and especially now), how would you expect us to believe this when all the evidence points to the contrary?

[justa4banger]

MAN this thread is still alive.....................
*bush speaking* NO NEW FLASHES ...... NO NEW FLASHES........... :D (cheers)

[camrycev6]

I just had the first opportunity to talk to a dealership that theoretically did one. They said they didn't know anything about it. That pretty much puts the final nail in the coffin on the issue for me.

[M3_Zoom]

I just had the first opportunity to talk to a dealership that theoretically did one. They said they didn't know anything about it. That pretty much puts the final nail in the coffin on the issue for me.

camrycev6, I'm just going to let it be. We have one of the best resources available to us and for anyone else reading, Gaithersburg Mazda in Gaithersburg, MD has a service mechanic that races for Mazda. Also he is one of the 10 man team that tests there cars and Mazdaspeed products before production. If they say NO, it's NO!

Now, I cannot be any clearer than this, yes there is a re-flash but it's ONLY for those who through a Cel because of there Rich/Lean issue and it mainly pertains to those out West and Northwest region. IT IN NO WAY FASHION OR FORM INCREASES PERFORMANCE. Sure those that have had it completed may experience better drivability across the band, but you’re in a totally different climate/elevation as well than those of us on the East Coast. Ask anyone who travels or has traveled with a drag car. You must adjust your A/F ratio just about everywhere you go either by computer, fuel pressure regulator, carb jets bla bla bla there are many different ways. When cars are factory produced they attempt with a 99.9% assurance to build the car to perform the same no matter where you live and of course no single person is perfect which would warrant a re-flash for those who through a Cel etc. etc.

I think the topic is out of control because the question is, is there a re-flash for MS3 owners? Yes to reset your Cel if you experience the Rich/Lean problem but again IN NO WAY FASHION OR FORM IS IT A INCREASED PERFORMANCE RE-FLASH. The black soot on your exhaust is normal and is a completely different topic...these cars are set up to run rich for a few reasons and I personally prefer it that way. Without a doubt if our cars did not run rich, the exhaust stayed sparkling clean and everyone was tripping Cels for being lean then everyone would be complaining to Mazda for not giving us enough fuel to run these beasts...

Case dismissed..........(drive2)

[bast525]

Well... I believe the original poster...

It wouldn't be the first time that I've had different stories from different dealerships. And I have no reason to believe the OP is lieing... I mean... why lie about something like that? So I do believe HIS car was reflashed at whatever dealership he went to and that he may be experiencing better driveability and a cleaner tailpipe as a result.

I do also believe that since it wasn't a TSB... that many dealer techs would probably not spend too much (if any) time looking into this to confirm it... very few I've ever run into that really care enough to go above and beyond like that. If it meant them having to do any extra work or spend any extra time that they weren't getting paid for... they won't even bother.

"what? It's not a TSB, but is in some email bulletin from Mazda you say? Nope, never heard of it... oh yeah I'll have a look for you... nope... couldn't find it". When you know damn well they probably never even looked.

Ah well...

[voiceKoil]

Yeh they told me the swirl valve too.... Going to get it done on the 11th WEDS... We'll see how it does, they told me NO REFLASH. Its a speed dealer so I dunno

[camrycev6]

Well... I believe the original poster...



In the face of overwhelming evidence, that is still your choice... no harm in that.

(deadhorse

[bast525]

Hey, I'm just saying... what reason do these poeple have to lie? Instead of questioning their honesty, I'd rather question just what it was that these dealerships really did to their car? If it's not what they said it was, it seems SOMETHING was done to their cars...

[$inCitySpeed3]

Nice signature!!! Anyhow, again I'm with you. I could care less about the soot myself but if there is a re-flash and it overall makes the car run better (which some are claiming) across the entire band then like most, I want it. But if there is no such animal, I think others like a few of us are doing need to do there homework before they start passing bad word. I mean no harm to anyone but at my age and experience with cars there is no need to read BS, just tell it how it is.

(drinks)yeah thanks...well regardles of what everybody says or thinks, there is 2 mazdaspeed 3 out here in vegas that both had it done, i am one the other is on this board...Now wether they took it back and did nothing the car came out feeling better and lost teh major boost spike in 3rd and 4th, it is way smoother...As for research and cars i did mine, got many efi tuning certificates, and just sold my dyno shop only cause it was profitable..so i am good with filtering out the bs

[M3_Zoom]

yeah thanks...well regardles of what everybody says or thinks, there is 2 mazdaspeed 3 out here in vegas that both had it done, i am one the other is on this board...Now wether they took it back and did nothing the car came out feeling better and lost teh major boost spike in 3rd and 4th, it is way smoother...As for research and cars i did mine, got many efi tuning certificates, and just sold my dyno shop only cause it was profitable..so i am good with filtering out the bs


$inCitySpeed3, what was the reason you took your car in? Did you through a Cel or ? What does your service paperwork from the dealer that performed the work say? That would be the best help for us here on the East Coast. What we on the East Coast are being told is, YES there is a re-flash but only for the folks out West etc. Apparently you are experiencing more driveability problems then us. I personally would love to have the information on the service paperwork because Gaithersburg, Mazda told me if I had that information they could link it to what exactly the re-flash does down to fine details. Sure, I agree with anyone out West that said they have had it done but the problem is most are misunderstanding what the re-flash is for. It is to fix a driveability problem that allows the car to run better across the band etc etc. Whether that is the boost spike you were having or a common rich/lean problem, I cannot say because I'm not the one with the code information. From what I have read on this forum and others is most are misunderstanding it to be boost in power/performance re-flash not a fix to a driveability problem.

[fourthmeal]

I'm also one who had the reflash done, as I documented earlier. Cedric wrote on my invoice something to the order of "Customer found car is running rich, check for updates to ECU." I remember that it was this way, because I was joking w/ Cedric that he spelled rich "ritch", so it stuck in my head. At any rate, he said that initally, he was unable to find a report of an update for my car, but when he looked it up, there was one available. That was all I needed to hear, because Cedric explained to me that it should help with the problem. No more was talked about it (like you guys are elaborating to the Nth degree on here), and the car now gets far better gas mileage, far less soot around the exhaust, and ZERO soot and dirt on the back hatch area, as was common when before the flash.

I also remember that the car would create a hell of a smoke-screen behind me during full-throttle WFO acceleration runs, especially when doing it from a relatively low RPM in a higher gear. Now, I see more of a steamy, soft haze as I do the same WFO run.

No more information for me was necessary, Cedric dutifully tackled this issue, while changing my oil for me, and the car's run better ever since.

To those of you who are saying that this isn't true, that there is no reflash available, I don't know what to say other then I doubt your service center's ability to research for the correct information. When I was a Service Writer, when there was an issue like this that came up, I'd research quite a while before saying "no", but others in my crew would simply go "nope, can't do it", without finding out. So, it depends on who you deal with.

[alien1979]

I just spoke with Brian Brey (sp?) at Jeff Haas Mazda (service dept.) in Houston about any reflashes for the MS3. He said there weren't any. I asked him to please double check. He did... No upgrades / reflash for the MS3. Period.

No one is attacking you alien...but clearly (and especially now), how would you expect us to believe this when all the evidence points to the contrary?

Because it clearly states on my workorder that a reflash was performed. Also consider that at most dealerships the left hand doesnt know what the right one is doing and most of the time the person on the phone just wants to get you to go away. I worked at a dealership years ago in high school and you can take that to the bank.

How else can you explain the lack of soot? Use some common sense, my friend......(scratch)

[alien1979]

This whole situation reminds me of a time when I took my then new 1999 Honda Prelude for a recall that I had been mailed a letter for. I went to the local Honda dealership and the recall didnt show up in their computers.

If they couldnt find a recall, then who is to say that the Mazda dealership couldnt overlook an obscure tech note. Plus, since the car is so new and it seems to be an isolated incident, maybe only the most diligent service writers have found it.

BTW, if you guys would like me to, I can scan the paperwork and post it.

I worked on aircraft in the Air Force for almost 8 years and have an extensive car background as well. One of the things you learn over the years is to notice things like soot buildup, etc. as a measurement of engine performance over time. Consider it the same as monitoring gas mileage or oil leaks. Most of you NOTICE these things.

As far as I am concerned, this thread can be locked. I dont blame you guys for not believing since there is no physical proof for you. I am an empirical guy myself and would have a hard time buying it I guess. I wish I could give you a revision number or something. Oh well.

That being said, enjoy your cars. I know I am, and I am really looking forward to getting my CP-E intake I just ordered.

Wanna know why I picked CP-E over Mazdaspeed? Because they have the technical docs to prove that the intake will work with other parts down the road. I just couldnt take the risk of the MS intake fouling up the fuel trims when I put on an exhaust, intercooler, etc.

[M3_Zoom]

This whole situation reminds me of a time when I took my then new 1999 Honda Prelude for a recall that I had been mailed a letter for. I went to the local Honda dealership and the recall didnt show up in their computers.

If they couldnt find a recall, then who is to say that the Mazda dealership couldnt overlook an obscure tech note. Plus, since the car is so new and it seems to be an isolated incident, maybe only the most diligent service writers have found it.

BTW, if you guys would like me to, I can scan the paperwork and post it.

I worked on aircraft in the Air Force for almost 8 years and have an extensive car background as well. One of the things you learn over the years is to notice things like soot buildup, etc. as a measurement of engine performance over time. Consider it the same as monitoring gas mileage or oil leaks. Most of you NOTICE these things.

As far as I am concerned, this thread can be locked. I dont blame you guys for not believing since there is no physical proof for you. I am an empirical guy myself and would have a hard time buying it I guess. I wish I could give you a revision number or something. Oh well.

That being said, enjoy your cars. I know I am, and I am really looking forward to getting my CP-E intake I just ordered.

Wanna know why I picked CP-E over Mazdaspeed? Because they have the technical docs to prove that the intake will work with other parts down the road. I just couldnt take the risk of the MS intake fouling up the fuel trims when I put on an exhaust, intercooler, etc.


Alien 1979, if you could scan and post your document or PM me with it, that would be great. You sort of answered the question of, if there is no proof then how are we to know etc. A few of us have made several phone calls and some of the calls were to the dealers that have completed the re-flash and they still said no. Although my dealer will complete the re-flash for me, again the only one they have found is the one that corrects a driveability problem for the folks out West. If you could post it, I can take that with the reference information on it to my dealer here on the East Coast and compare to see if it's the same re-flash. Regardless, I will definitely post all the details etc. to allow anyone no matter what there location is to get the re-flash and then maybe we can modify this post to "We have a re-flash, these are the details so go have it completed at our local Mazdaspeed dealer."

[alien1979]

104964

I cropped the section of the work order that pertained to the fix. Notice that it states that it was reflashed and this was also what Darrell the service writer told me when he called to tell me the car was ready. He specifically said that they found an update and reflashed the ECU.

[alien1979]

On second thought, here is the first page of the workorder with my personal info blanked out. Wouldnt want any of you to think I was lying or anything....(fight)

104965

[M3_Zoom]

On second thought, here is the first page of the workorder with my personal info blanked out. Wouldnt want any of you to think I was lying or anything....(fight)

104965


SUPER! I'm going to make a call first thing tomorrow and have my dealer clearly define the details of this re-flash. We as owners can also report it as a complaint to NHTSA because a driveability issue is just that, a driveability issue. If some dealers want to recognize it while others do not, obviously there is a break down in communication somewhere. Like most feel, if one dealer knows they should all know. Since your in Texas and the other reference we have is in Vegas, I will call Cedric and see if that's the same re-flash number he has. Now my only question is, is that the so called re-flash for the folks out West my dealer spoke about. We shall see and I will post an update as soon as I have a solid answer. Thank you for the scan!

Also did you happen to notice they put 3/4 door sedan on your service ticket? Sure they go off the VIN# but........

[alien1979]

SUPER! I'm going to make a call first thing tomorrow and have my dealer clearly define the details of this re-flash. We as owners can also report it as a complaint to NHTSA because a driveability issue is just that, a driveability issue. If some dealers want to recognize it while others do not, obviously there is a break down in communication somewhere. Like most feel, if one dealer knows they should all know. Since your in Texas and the other reference we have is in Vegas, I will call Cedric and see if that's the same re-flash number he has. Now my only question is, is that the so called re-flash for the folks out West my dealer spoke about. We shall see and I will post an update as soon as I have a solid answer. Thank you for the scan!

Also did you happen to notice they put 3/4 door sedan on your service ticket? Sure they go off the VIN# but........

yeah, i did notice that, but I doubt that the ECU would accept a reflash from a different ECU and even if it did it probably wouldnt run correctly.

[camrycev6]

Because it clearly states on my workorder that a reflash was performed. Also consider that at most dealerships the left hand doesnt know what the right one is doing and most of the time the person on the phone just wants to get you to go away. I worked at a dealership years ago in high school and you can take that to the bank.

How else can you explain the lack of soot? Use some common sense, my friend......(scratch)

Well clearly I didn't have the work order until now, did I? That would have helped much earlier in this discussion. In any event, if I used your lack of soot as my only proof of a specious upgrade, despite four dealers (including yours - Jeff Haas - telling me there wasn't one) I wouldn't have been using common sense at all now would I? Put yourself in my shoes.

Doubting something is not the same as calling someone a liar. There are dozens of other explanations that could explain the descrepancy folks have been debating here. My common sense is functioning quite well, so let's all not get so defensive ok?

It is obviously there is more than meets the eye here...so let's continue to do some research and get to the bottom of it.

Thanks for the work order, that gives us some good information we can use.

[Jstassen]

Hey guys, I just took my MS3 in for service on my 2nd CEL. Grrrr... anyway. They reflashed my ECU with a new "update". The tech didn't know what it was for as it was not in his "manual". He thought it was yet unlisted since it was so new. He doubted whether it would add to the car's performance and thought it might be more like "a system patch for Windows XP". I haven't picked up the car yet so I can not attest to what it did to my car. I went to University Mazda in Albuquerque, NM if you were interested. They seem fairly knowledgable and like to chat about the MS3 whenever I bring it in. Just my .02.

[bast525]

Well clearly I didn't have the work order until now, did I? That would have helped much earlier in this discussion. In any event, if I used your lack of soot as my only proof of a specious upgrade, despite four dealers (including yours - Jeff Haas - telling me there wasn't one) I wouldn't have been using common sense at all now would I? Put yourself in my shoes.


So, does that mean that, because I was taking these couple guys' words' for it, despite the fact that I've already had two dealerships tell me that there was no flash, that I was not using common sense? hmmm ok.

[M3_Zoom]

Hey guys, I just took my MS3 in for service on my 2nd CEL. Grrrr... anyway. They reflashed my ECU with a new "update". The tech didn't know what it was for as it was not in his "manual". He thought it was yet unlisted since it was so new. He doubted whether it would add to the car's performance and thought it might be more like "a system patch for Windows XP". I haven't picked up the car yet so I can not attest to what it did to my car. I went to University Mazda in Albuquerque, NM if you were interested. They seem fairly knowledgable and like to chat about the MS3 whenever I bring it in. Just my .02.


Jstassen, can you let us know what the code for the re-flash is once you pick your car up. I contacted two dealers this morning about it and they both said let's schedule you for an appointment and go from there. I have one this Friday so we shall see. But if you can let us know what your service order says or even scan it like Alien1979 did that would be great! I would like to compare to see if all that have recieved this update are receiving the same one. Lastly, let us know how your car is running after the update. Thanks in advance.

[camrycev6]

So, does that mean that, because I was taking these couple guys' words' for it, despite the fact that I've already had two dealerships tell me that there was no flash, that I was not using common sense? hmmm ok.

Did I say that? No...I never accused anyone here of not using common sense. Make sure you ask the question of the right person.... I did not start, nor am I going say anyone lacks common sense. If you can't handle a little doubt without getting your panties in a bunch, maybe the shoe does fit...

I was only pointing out that from my perspective, after asking a lot of questions that consistently gave me a negative answer (to the post topic), my common sense should tell me there was some merit to what I had discovered. (that there was no reflash) To ignore what I found would have been foolish. What is hard to accept about that without taking it like a personal insult? Come on guys; let's try to stay rational about this without getting our feelings hurt or trying to make clandestine insults.

We have new data, so lets see what results it produces.

[alien1979]

Its been cold again here in Houston since Saturday, and guess what? I am getting an intermittent check engine light that only occurs in the AM when the car is first started. After three warm restarts, it goes away. This is the first cold weather the car has seen since the reflash. Sound familiar to anyone? (2thumbs)

For the record, I think the very definition of common sense is sticking to your guns when you know something is correct even in the face of adversity. That being said, I can totally understand the disbelief. I think time will prove that Mazda's dealer network isnt as well connected to the mothership as we would all like to think.

The REAL benefit to all this is that we are sticking together to find the truth. Its nice to find like-minded enthusiasts who don't take the dealers word for it and keep digging until an answer is uncovered.(dance)

[M3_Zoom]

Its been cold again here in Houston since Saturday, and guess what? I am getting an intermittent check engine light that only occurs in the AM when the car is first started. After three warm restarts, it goes away. This is the first cold weather the car has seen since the reflash. Sound familiar to anyone? (2thumbs)

For the record, I think the very definition of common sense is sticking to your guns when you know something is correct even in the face of adversity. That being said, I can totally understand the disbelief. I think time will prove that Mazda's dealer network isnt as well connected to the mothership as we would all like to think.

The REAL benefit to all this is that we are sticking together to find the truth. Its nice to find like-minded enthusiasts who don't take the dealers word for it and keep digging until an answer is uncovered.(dance)

Alien1979, That's the first step to us getting our beasts all debuged. I went through the same problem with my SRT-4. I purchased it the first year and it literally took over a year to get things strait, but it was us die-hard owners that made it happen. I expect to have problems with a first year car but Mazda needs to certainly support us as well.

Now for your cold issue, hmmmm. I'm on the East Coast and considering we had wonderful snow in April a few days ago (thankfully I garage my car) I have not had issues with any Cels in our extreme cold.

[camrycev6]

Its been cold again here in Houston since Saturday, and guess what? I am getting an intermittent check engine light that only occurs in the AM when the car is first started. After three warm restarts, it goes away. This is the first cold weather the car has seen since the reflash. Sound familiar to anyone? (2thumbs)

For the record, I think the very definition of common sense is sticking to your guns when you know something is correct even in the face of adversity. That being said, I can totally understand the disbelief. I think time will prove that Mazda's dealer network isnt as well connected to the mothership as we would all like to think.

The REAL benefit to all this is that we are sticking together to find the truth. Its nice to find like-minded enthusiasts who don't take the dealers word for it and keep digging until an answer is uncovered.(dance)

I completely agree Alien. This is something I have been saying all along. Things obviously don't make sense and it isn't our fault --- it is Mazda's. I, like many others here, just want to know the final and absolute truth. My frustration is not with you or anyone else --- and I apolgoize if it came out that way --- but with Mazda. It is extremely annoying when you care about yor car as much as we do, and yet we can't get a simple straight answer to an important question.

[bast525]

Okay for what it's worth... I called another dealership, Casey Mazda in Newport News, and spoke with the head service advisor there, and he said he IS aware of a reflash for the MS3 and had already reflashed two customer cars.

They are a speed dealer.

I will be going there later this week to have them hook my car up to the computer and see what comes up.

[M3_Zoom]

Okay for what it's worth... I called another dealership, Casey Mazda in Newport News, and spoke with the head service advisor there, and he said he IS aware of a reflash for the MS3 and had already reflashed two customer cars.

They are a speed dealer.

I will be going there later this week to have them hook my car up to the computer and see what comes up.

bast525, this is exactly what is frustrating. Several of us are in the VA, MD, D.C. area and yet we all get different word. Let us know what happens. I have an appointment Friday, so I will let everyone know what happens with my car as well. I have them looking at the brakes, motor/transmission mounts and checking for an update to the PCM. Also I think I'm going to have a indepth conversation with the Service Manager and let him know about the Mazda communication breakdown etc. I know I'm just one voice, but I wan't to help them help all of us. What would be really nice, is if we could get a Mazda Service or Tech Rep to come onboard this Website and address our service issues. When I had my SRT-4 there official forum had one and once he came on board, we made leaps and bounds of progress.

***In my research it appears that all but one person that had the PCM Re-flash, the dealer used code/Re-flash F0010XFX. If anyone has received a re-flash for driveability/boost spike problem and it's a different code on your paperwork, let us know. Also, if you have received the p2006 CEL your not getting a re-flash so don't confuse the two. The code your receiving on your paperwork is to clear the CEL only.

[voiceKoil]

I didnt go through everything to see if this has been covered yet, my dealer said no reflash, they said I need a new swirl valve and thats what is being replaced. Im getting mine done tomorrow, Ill see if it works! (dance) and just to set the record striaght I dont believe a word my dealer has been telling me!!!! Im having another convo with the service manager LADY before they go and replace stuff thats perfectly fine, and Im going to stand behind them and watch every move they make this time!!! Because I dont think they did anything I asked them to do last time!!! THEY DIDNT EVEN NOTICE MY CEL WAS ON WHEN THEY DID A WHOLE CHECK OVER OF THE CAR!!!

[camrycev6]

I can hardly wait to see some of the results. If we can nail down this version number, I will be certainly giving some serious feedback (to include a couple of letters to Mazda corporate) to the dealers on this. I want to make sure I have all of my facts straight (and plenty of them) before I go charging in. My frustration on this just keeps getting worse. All of the dealers I spoke to are certified Speed dealers and they still deny there is any reflash. (All of them are in MD, but quite a distant apart.)

M3_Zoom, I anxiously await your details from your trip on Friday.

[mcb]

I just got my car back from the dealer for the purge valve and guess what ,they did a reflash too.

My old load was SW-L34CEE000.HEX
My NEW load is SW-L34CEG000.HEX

i hope that it will help you all. Remember it's a canadian version, not sure its the same load everywhere but worth checking. My service manager told me that he got it this week so check again with your dealer.

[alien1979]

I just got my car back from the dealer for the purge valve and guess what ,they did a reflash too.

My old load was SW-L34CEE000.HEX
My NEW load is SW-L34CEG000.HEX

i hope that it will help you all. Remember it's a canadian version, not sure its the same load everywhere but worth checking. My service manager told me that he got it this week so check again with your dealer.


Well, there you go folks. I think this has been put to bed.

[alien1979]

bast525, this is exactly what is frustrating. Several of us are in the VA, MD, D.C. area and yet we all get different word. Let us know what happens. I have an appointment Friday, so I will let everyone know what happens with my car as well. I have them looking at the brakes, motor/transmission mounts and checking for an update to the PCM. Also I think I'm going to have a indepth conversation with the Service Manager and let him know about the Mazda communication breakdown etc. I know I'm just one voice, but I wan't to help them help all of us. What would be really nice, is if we could get a Mazda Service or Tech Rep to come onboard this Website and address our service issues. When I had my SRT-4 there official forum had one and once he came on board, we made leaps and bounds of progress.

***In my research it appears that all but one person that had the PCM Re-flash, the dealer used code/Re-flash F0010XFX. If anyone has received a re-flash for driveability/boost spike problem and it's a different code on your paperwork, let us know. Also, if you have received the p2006 CEL your not getting a re-flash so don't confuse the two. The code your receiving on your paperwork is to clear the CEL only.

That code you are mentioning isnt a version number. I believe it is an internal Mazda code for billing purposes. See the invoice I attached earlier and you will see similar numbers for each problem area.

[mcb]

Its directly form the mazda computer dump so it is a program version

[camrycev6]

Well, there you go folks. I think this has been put to bed.

Unfortunately, not quite yet. We need to make sure this is not only for Canadian versions of the vehicle. (Or at the very least, find out the US equivalent.) It is possible that Mazda has released a N. American version, but again, we just need to be sure.

[knowledge007]

Don't know if you read my other post... But system was reflashed on Monday after a check up on the cpe 3"

[alien1979]

Its directly form the mazda computer dump so it is a program version

Once again, this was NOT directed at you. Please look at the text I quoted before assuming I was replying to you.(smash)

[alien1979]

Unfortunately, not quite yet. We need to make sure this is not only for Canadian versions of the vehicle. (Or at the very least, find out the US equivalent.) It is possible that Mazda has released a N. American version, but again, we just need to be sure.

I disagree. From my experience in the Miata world, most of the time the ECU programming is the same for North America. But in the interest of making absolutely sure, I will reserve judgment until an American car shows up here with version numbers. (enguard)

[M3_Zoom]

Don't know if you read my other post... But system was reflashed on Monday after a check up on the cpe 3"

Hey knowledge007, I read your earlier posts but I did not come across the re-flash information. Did you post your re-flash information? This is what I'm doing. Every person who posts a different code, I'm taking all of them to the dealer tomorrow, Friday 13 April and when I present them to the Service Manager, he said he will go through them with me and explain what each one is. A great way to get to the bottom of all of this yes, no, maybe re-flash information.

Now the problem is several people have had a re-flash for one reason or another but as of now, I only have a couple of re-flash codes etc. The best way is to scan/post your service paperwork as Alien1979 did. I just print that off and BINGO more proof for the dealer. I'm also calling out West again today to see if Cedric is back from vacation.

[M3_Zoom]

Well, there you go folks. I think this has been put to bed.

Hey alien1979, correct me if I'm wrong, but if the swirl valve is replaced it does include a re-flash anyhow. I have read elsewhere and a few MS3 owners who had the swirl/purge valve replaced had a re-flash.

See gents, this is how confussion and missunderstanding starts. What I'm trying to get to the bottom of, is if there is a re-flash for the driveability issue (3rd/4th gear boost spike & Lean/Rich running) for everyone in the U.S. not just out West. It's proven there is one, but who all it pertains to at this point is beyond me. It should pertain to everyone who has the problem no matter where we live.

[M3_Zoom]

I didnt go through everything to see if this has been covered yet, my dealer said no reflash, they said I need a new swirl valve and thats what is being replaced. Im getting mine done tomorrow, Ill see if it works! (dance) and just to set the record striaght I dont believe a word my dealer has been telling me!!!! Im having another convo with the service manager LADY before they go and replace stuff thats perfectly fine, and Im going to stand behind them and watch every move they make this time!!! Because I dont think they did anything I asked them to do last time!!! THEY DIDNT EVEN NOTICE MY CEL WAS ON WHEN THEY DID A WHOLE CHECK OVER OF THE CAR!!!

voiceKoil,did you get your swirl valve replaced? If so, how is your car driving now? Did it include a re-flash?

[M3_Zoom]

That code you are mentioning isnt a version number. I believe it is an internal Mazda code for billing purposes. See the invoice I attached earlier and you will see similar numbers for each problem area.

Regardless if it's a version number or code for billing purposes it's the reference that counts at this point. We shall see...

[camrycev6]

I disagree. From my experience in the Miata world, most of the time the ECU programming is the same for North America. But in the interest of making absolutely sure, I will reserve judgment until an American car shows up here with version numbers. (enguard)

I don't really think this about agreeing or disagreeing. I just want verification. This has nothing to do with you or me. If it is a N. American version great --- if not, there might be another version with a different number. Doesn't matter to me --- I just want to know, not guess.

[Jstassen]

Hey guys, I had my car in on Monday and the dealer "reflashed" my PCM with the most up to date version. As I said before they had no idea what the update was concerning or anything else about it. After the service, I can't truly be sure I have noticed a difference in the car's performance. If anything, the car seems to more consistant in power with less feeling of turbo lag and sudden boost of power around 3000 RPM. 3rd and 4th gears feel a bit faster as well. Here is what my invoice says "PCM calibration performed F00010XFX Powertrain control module -Reflashing 45 WPM94" I honestly don't know which is the update # but I thought that might help. Good luck all.....jstassen

[turbofever]

because the only reflash has to do with fixing the p2006 code i don't know why a dealer would do the reflash just because unless there is a p2006 code. they can't just update the ecu without the CEL being on mazda won't pay them for it.
If your car throws a p2006 code, and they replace the swirl shutter valve actuator, there is a reprogram to go with it. It’s that simple guys. There is no reflash unless you get that actuator replaced.

[clos561]

Hey guys, I had my car in on Monday and the dealer "reflashed" my PCM with the most up to date version. As I said before they had no idea what the update was concerning or anything else about it. After the service, I can't truly be sure I have noticed a difference in the car's performance. If anything, the car seems to more consistant in power with less feeling of turbo lag and sudden boost of power around 3000 RPM. 3rd and 4th gears feel a bit faster as well. Here is what my invoice says "PCM calibration performed F00010XFX Powertrain control module -Reflashing 45 WPM94" I honestly don't know which is the update # but I thought that might help. Good luck all.....jstassen
ur car is the same...i think the "reflash is jsut re-entering the original code on the ecu...like when u reboot ur computer.....most people are victims of placebo...they think something is better when it is the same...its been proven in medicine...you get better because u have been to the doctor and he says u wil be ok...its all in ur head....

[adamsredms3]

ur car is the same...i think the "reflash is jsut re-entering the original code on the ecu...like when u reboot ur computer.....most people are victims of placebo...they think something is better when it is the same...its been proven in medicine...you get better because u have been to the doctor and he says u wil be ok...its all in ur head....

(2thumbs) you hit the nail on the head! no pun intended (lol2)

[alien1979]

Regardless if it's a version number or code for billing purposes it's the reference that counts at this point. We shall see...

No offense, but you still missed my point. I give up. I look forward to seeing a resolution to this mess. As was mentioned before, we need a Mazda rep on this forum to help out. Anyone know a friendly neighborhood Mazda employee?

[alien1979]

Hey alien1979, correct me if I'm wrong, but if the swirl valve is replaced it does include a re-flash anyhow. I have read elsewhere and a few MS3 owners who had the swirl/purge valve replaced had a re-flash.

See gents, this is how confussion and missunderstanding starts. What I'm trying to get to the bottom of, is if there is a re-flash for the driveability issue (3rd/4th gear boost spike & Lean/Rich running) for everyone in the U.S. not just out West. It's proven there is one, but who all it pertains to at this point is beyond me. It should pertain to everyone who has the problem no matter where we live.

I just recently had the transient CEL when the weather got cold here for a few days. After the cold weather departed, voila, no CEL. I havent been to the dealer for that particular problem, so I cannot speak to the reflash for it.

BTW, I am loving my new CP-E intake I put in today. It was a PITA, but worth it.

[M3_Zoom]

No offense, but you still missed my point. I give up. I look forward to seeing a resolution to this mess. As was mentioned before, we need a Mazda rep on this forum to help out. Anyone know a friendly neighborhood Mazda employee?

Hey alien1979, No offense taken as I certainly understand what your saying... I think the resolution is on it's way or at least I hope so. I spoke to my service manager this morning and it's become a personal mission of his to get to the bottom of it. Maybe I can get him to join this forum...

[M3_Zoom]

*PCM RE-FLASH UPDATE*

Hello all! I know several of you are waiting on the results of my service appointment today in reference to the research and data I have collected about the re-flash of our MS3's and unfortunately I had to reschedule my appointment because my little boy is running a very high fever.

Now on the brighter side, I did speak to the service manager and he took all the codes/numbers from me over the phone so when I show up on Tuesday, 17 April he can give me the details. I've spoken to him several times, he's super nice and very determined to get to the bottom of this. I think with my professional and tactful approach, it's turned into a personal mission for him as well. They are a Mazdaspeed dealer and here is an interesting note. They have only sold a half-a-dozen MS3's and all were purchased from out of town folks. He was honest with me by saying if the cars are not returned for service the interest in updates etc. on any car are really not a concern and unless they have it in there "update database" or it shows up as a TSB they have no need or concern to make phone calls...bla...bla...bla. Now guess who's job requires them to keep the updates filed? The Mazdaspeed tech and the service manager. At least at my dealer they have a specific Mazdaspeed tech. I'm not saying this is the same at all dealers but maybe if your talking to any service tech that does not have access to the Speed updates that could be the recipe for wrong answers. Sure he did say updates are checked by VIN# but he also said it's not just the MS3 they get backed up on with new issues, it's all of there new models. So, the service manager is going to call the three dealers I gave him information on, as well as Mazda to speak to a factory tech rep. Also he's giving all the codes/numbers to the Mazdaspeed tech to bounce off his updates in the database. When I show up on the 17th he's going to give me a list of all updates, issues etc. wether they pertain to my current problem or not. So this should address the re-flash for driveability problems, swirl valve replacement, dragging brake calipers, p2006 CEL, rough idle in cold weather, transmission mounts and he said he's going to look into any issues the CAI would have on the PCM Air/Fuel Lean/Rich issue as well. I may even attempt to recruit him for this forum but one thing at a time. We shall see.

[camrycev6]

Sweet M3_Zoom! You are the man!

PS...I hope your little boy is feeling better.

[clos561]

yea my dealer told me they only reflash the computer when a cell throws...they reflash so that when something happens again, the computer can throw the cell again...if you get a reflash from a dealer they are jsut doing this without a cell being thrown which is the same thing....."rebooting your computer" so it can read and reconize problems that occur with the engine after it has already reconized it

i stil think it jsut depends on the dealer and who you are talking to ...it may not be necessary but helps the driver feel comfortable...i drive my car and i dont get black smoke every time i floor it...its occasional and its not a problem...but if i need one ill get one...probably after i install cai and exhaust and shit

[M3_Zoom]

Sweet M3_Zoom! You are the man!

PS...I hope your little boy is feeling better.

camrycev6, thanks for the kind words. I just want to help all those who are as serious about this car as I am. Eventually we will get things worked out.

As far as my son, 102.7 temperature is never a good day, but he is doing better now with a 99 temperature. Doc gave him some meds and he will be ok. Apparently the nasty FLU bug is going around here. Thanks for the comments.

[M3_Zoom]

yea my dealer told me they only reflash the computer when a cell throws...they reflash so that when something happens again, the computer can throw the cell again...if you get a reflash from a dealer they are jsut doing this without a cell being thrown which is the same thing....."rebooting your computer" so it can read and reconize problems that occur with the engine after it has already reconized it

i stil think it jsut depends on the dealer and who you are talking to ...it may not be necessary but helps the driver feel comfortable...i drive my car and i dont get black smoke every time i floor it...its occasional and its not a problem...but if i need one ill get one...probably after i install cai and exhaust and shit

clos561, yea one of the dealers I called said exactly what you just said. The service manager told me the p2006 CEL allot of MS3 owners are getting is being reset with a re-flash, but it's not a performance enhancement re-flash as several of us have already stated. I do know there is a driveability reflash for the boost spike in 3rd/4th gear but until I get confirmed word I will not comment on it. However, I will say it does not affect everyone so... we'll get this beast figured out. Also I think once COBB Tunning releases the Access Port for our car, allot will change to include some of the minor issues some are having.

[mcb]

Just a quick review of the reflash:

IT IS JUST AWESOME! All the hesitations are gone, turbo lag is almost all gone. The car react much better to low RPM WOT. I dont know if the car is faster but it feel slightly better and seem to pull a little more after 5500 rpm. I will do a dyno pull soon in the next weeks. I'm confident we will see a difference with the first release software.

I recommend to complain about hesitation to your dealer so you get reflashed.

[camrycev6]

M3_Zoom -- please let us know what you found out when you can.

[M3_Zoom]

M3_Zoom -- please let us know what you found out when you can.


camrycev6, I sure will. My appointment is tomorrow at 9:30 and as soon as I return home, I will post the details.

[Adammazda06]

i got my p2006 code fixed today and wow! it feels like a new car. smoother through out the entire rpm range.

[M3_Zoom]

camrycev6, I sure will. My appointment is tomorrow at 9:30 and as soon as I return home, I will post the details.


YES YES YES Folks, there is a PCM ECM Update. I will save the best news for last. First, I would like to say unfortunately I DID NOT get all the information from my dealer as promissed and in no way fashion or form am I bashing Mazda or there products, but it's apparent each individual dealer has there own standards for customer service and satisfaction. Although my dealer did not come through with all the information, I was put in touch with a very very determined Mazdaspeed service department person elsewhere. I'm saying it in that fashion to protect this other dealerships best interest. Apparently what I gathered from our lengthy conversation is, it's more or less a slap in the face to any other dealer who tells you "No there is not an update" and you go back and say "we'll I just spoke to so and so at bla bla bla Mazda and he/she gave me the update information. Sadly sometimes people loose their jobs so I agreed to use the information provided only. It was a great trade off and agreement between us.

So here are the details:

If your Brakes are "Humming" while driving WITHOUT you depressing the brake pedal and the brakes are warmed up, you may have one or more problems and Mazda is aware. They will check, lubricate or replace brake parts as necessary. The caliper(s) are found to be dragging causing the "humming" noise thus results in front caliper(s), rotor(s) and brake pads to overheat and glaze. Some will be fixed by relubricating the caliper piston or total replacement of the caliper(s), front pads and resurfacing the rotors. They may even remove .2 - .4 off the rotor(s) which is no big deal and still keeps them within spec. Today my entire brake system was looked over to include the ABS and all was well. My car only has 250 miles on it, but it "hummed" the first 200 miles and then went away on it's own. My take was the brakes had a "rust" build up from sitting and not being driven. All cars do that plus all new cars need there brakes to be bedded in. The pads may have even been a bit thick, but I'm really babying my car the first few thousand miles waiting for the aftermarket world to take off.


Now, the PCM/ECM update re-flash, Purge/Swirl Valve replacement and the 3 different thrown CEL codes that start with "p" etc. are all THE SAME EXACT REFLASH!!! It is to address the driveability problem. There is a TSB, yes a TSB but it appears to only be visible to the Mazda Service Folk not the usual NHTSA TSB's etc. Why? I don't know, but I'm hoping to get that fixed because guess what? This re-flash is a Multi-Model update! That's right and here are the exact details you will need to get your car re-flashed:

Mazda TSB 01-046-06 "Multi-model PCM/ECM update for driveability problem."

It can be accessed a few different ways at your Mazda dealer. Either by the above TSB, by the service tech entering into the mconnects.com system (Mazda Support System) and entering DTC-2407 with your VIN# or lastly by the re-flash "File Update Name" SW-L34SEC000.

TSB 01-046-06 / DTC-2407 + VIN# / SW-L34SEC000: Address multi-model PCM/ECM update for driveability problem: p0001 & p2006, Engine Hesitation on Deceleration, Engine Hesitation on Acceleration (most really feel it in 3rd and 4th gear), Stall immediately after a cold start-up and is used upon Swirl Valve/Purge Valve replacement.


*Added note, the service tech I spoke to went into the Mazda Support System entered DTC-2407 and my VIN# and BAM, there it was. I will be calling tomorrow to schedule my appointment. Lasty, you don't need to have a CEL thrown to have this done, but you certainly need to have one of the above issues. Someone stated "just tell you dealer your CEL came on and wen't off." Great try but if you really have a CEL come on and go back out, it's stored in your PCM so when they hook your car up to the machine they can see what CEL was tripped.


Again, I'm here for all of us and to make our beasts, B-E-A-S-T-S!!! I wish I had a dyno at my disposal. I would do a pre and post flash dyno just to see the difference across the band. As the saying goes, the proof are in the numbers...

Happy Safe Motoring(drive2)

[M3_Zoom]

[QUOTE=M3_Zoom]YES YES YES Folks, there is a PCM ECM Update.

Also, my guess on the "multi-model" update would = MS6 & MS3

Lastly, those of you who get this re-flash completed, come back and let us know how your car is.

[Chicoloco]

wish i had a speed3.

Gj! Let the flashing begin!

[Japaneezy]

so i have a sooty exhaust... i also have a cai on the way. will i be ok after that?

[clos561]

u wil stil get that...its a fossil fuel car......you cant expect a clean burn of anything unless its hydrogen...or green fuel.....

[M3_Zoom]

so i have a sooty exhaust... i also have a cai on the way. will i be ok after that?

Japaneezy, as close561 stated you will never eliminate the black soot. The newer modern turbo'd cars are built on a "dumby proof" mind set, so they are often run rich vice lean on purpose. Just be thankful you have extra fuel and not enough. If you notice we can add several upgrades and the mention of new injectors has not even been addressed. For example my prior SRT-4 had just as much soot on the exhaust tips in stock form as our MS3's. When I added the Stage 2 kit from Mopar, it came with bigger injectors and the soot got worse. The key is to keep the A/F at 11.5 and all will be well, but until you are running more than an CAI intake and a turbo back exhaust I would not be concerned. In time we will get this beast figured out. Every newly manufactured car like this goes through headaches when they first come out. I was so frustrated with my SRT-4 when it first came out, I almost sold it after just owning it a few months. I had a few prior turbo'd DSM's and things drastically changed with the SRT-4 and certainly threw me for a technology change. Anyhow, I'm getting off topic so if your only worry is the black soot and you think it might be running way to rich, take it in. The worst thing they can do is complete the update re-flash and go from there.

[camrycev6]

So glad to hear this was finally resolved! Thanks to everyone (especially you M3_Zoom) for all of your hard work.

Now...since I am not having any of the issues mentioned in the fix, I guess the question is do I have it done anyway.... hmmm....

[knowledge007]

Yes...updates are always necessary. Just like your comp.

[SwampAss]

I have my car in right now. They are looking to see if one is available. I'll report back with what they say.

[camrycev6]

Yes...updates are always necessary. Just like your comp.

I appreciate your sentiment Knowledge, but I also believe "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

[knowledge007]

I hear that...lmao

[M3_Zoom]

So glad to hear this was finally resolved! Thanks to everyone (especially you M3_Zoom) for all of your hard work.

Now...since I am not having any of the issues mentioned in the fix, I guess the question is do I have it done anyway.... hmmm....


camrycev6, I understand what your saying and the re-flash is there is case you need it. If you find your having issues, print the information out and schedule yourself a re-flash.

[M3_Zoom]

I have my car in right now. They are looking to see if one is available. I'll report back with what they say.


Hey Swamp! Definitely let us know.

[camrycev6]

camrycev6, I understand what your saying and the re-flash is there is case you need it. If you find your having issues, print the information out and schedule yourself a re-flash.

That was the first thing I did! I have the info filed so I am ready to go. I am going to call my dealer just for fun to see what they say about it. I can't help but be annoyed at the misinformation Mazda is providing to a large amount of customers. That letter to Mazda corporate is almost ready too...

[M3_Zoom]

That was the first thing I did! I have the info filed so I am ready to go. I am going to call my dealer just for fun to see what they say about it. I can't help but be annoyed at the misinformation Mazda is providing to a large amount of customers. That letter to Mazda corporate is almost ready too...

What's bad, the person that helped me out had to really search to find it because unless you know where to look or individually punch it in, the average service tech can't see it. Why? I'm not in position to answer but it needs to be addressed. Lip service is free anytime anywhere, but I could tell that this person was serious about providing me the information and helping us all out. The "help me help you" mentality. They have completed a few of these update re-flashes with positive feedback and they also complete the re-flash to all the new cars that come into their inventory. I hate to say it but If a dealer says no or questions it, oh boy... I doubt they will but like I already said, it's not Mazda or their products, it's the individual dealer that sets there own tone for customer satisfaction. I can't wait to see what Swampass has to say because his dealer is taking a look at it today.

[camrycev6]

This is interesting. My dealer is refusing to do the upgrade because he says now:

There are two TSBs for MS3...

One is for the p2006 issue and the other is for cold start problems.

In other words, he is unaware of a TSB for accleration issues. He says unless he can find it, they won't reflash my car.

How crazy is this? I am still on hold with him. I am trying to explain it and have virtually read the enire post from M3_zoom...

[camrycev6]

He just put the DTC and my VIN# in and he says it comes up with only two flashes-- one for the p2006 / swirl value issue. Again, the second for the cold start issue. He is adamant that neither of those two reflashes will address acceleration issues.

[M3_Zoom]

He is adamant that neither of those two reflashes will address acceleration issues.

We'll that's his opinion. However, Word for Word:

"Mazda TSB 01-046-06 Multi-model PCM/ECM update for driveability problem.

It can be accessed a few different ways at your Mazda dealer. Either by the above TSB, by the service tech entering into the mconnects.com system (Mazda Support System) and entering DTC-2407 with your VIN# or lastly by the re-flash "File Update Name" SW-L34SEC000.

TSB 01-046-06 / DTC-2407 + VIN# / SW-L34SEC000: Address multi-model PCM/ECM update for driveability problem: p0001 & p2006, Engine Hesitation on Deceleration, Engine Hesitation on Acceleration (most really feel it in 3rd and 4th gear), Stall immediately after a cold start-up and is used upon Swirl Valve/Purge Valve replacement."

1. Did he compare the TSB with the DTC and read the File Update? If he read the file update SW-L34SEC000 that gives allot more details to the specifics of the re-flash.

2. If Swampass comes back with issues as well I'm contacting Mazda. I find it hard to believe someone with over 15 years as a Service Manager would give me a line of crap yet alone call me back and talk to me long distance for over an hour with all the details.

3. It's for a multi-model driveability problem PERIOD and all the details that go with it that I listed above. Boy this pisses me off.

4. I would have him look up the update SW-L34SEC000 and read that. Also if I recall, the person told me your car had to be hooked up to the mconnects.com (Mazda Support System, it uses a phone line) machine in order to find it. Why? I'm not sure but the way I see it, is how can you check for computer updates to your PC if it's not connected... This re-flash is downloaded from Mazda through the Support System and is not just some gadget he plugs in that sits around the shop. Boy oh boy... The only way this person was able to look the information up for me was on the prior re-flashed MS3's service order tickets because again you need the car to do it.

Let me know...

[SwampAss]

back from dealer. I spoke with the service writer "Jay" who seemed extremely knowledgeable on the speed line in general. He said there IS a reflash available but only for a certain VIN range. Mine, did not fall in that line. My springs are in and feel AWESOME. Has a better ride than before but is a touch more jarring over heavier bumps (traintracks por examplo)

Another side note..on the way home (on a close course so it's 100% legal) I did a roll on with a newer (not latest) SVT mustang that looked stock. Younger guy driving it. I was rolling about 45mph in 3rd when the pace car moved over. He was about 3-4 car lengths behind me and I could "hear" him down shift. I punched it and all the way through 3rd he was at my door. (keeping in mind he made up the 3-4 car lenghts. In 4th he started to pull more but had sounded as though he shifted and I stayed with him briefly..then he started checking out. haha. I'd say 5-6 car lengths ahead of me or so. I shut down as I was snicking into 5th...he pretty much stopped at that point as well. I have 4drs though and probably got better gas mileage during the exchange to NA NA! haha

[M3_Zoom]

[QUOTE=SwampAss]back from dealer. I spoke with the service writer "Jay" who seemed extremely knowledgeable on the speed line in general. He said there IS a reflash available but only for a certain VIN range. Mine, did not fall in that line. My springs are in and feel AWESOME. Has a better ride than before but is a touch more jarring over heavier bumps (traintracks por examplo)

Hey Swamp! We'll I can agree with what "Jay" said. The person that provided me with the information did say that all new inventory is checked for the re-flash so maybe after a certain VIN# the issue was resolved at the factory prior to shipment. That is possible.

Now that being said I will call my contact back tomorrow and see if they know the VIN# range etc. or even if it's on a certain VIN# range. My only problem is when service advisers just say, NO and send you on your way. I still think I'm going to make an official complaint. I have said this way to many times but, I know it's not Mazda or the Mazdaspeed products, it's the individual dealers that we should strike (strike) against. Afterall if the re-flash exists then the dealer can only make money off of it.

[SwampAss]

Jay was more than willing to explain it to me. He also asked if I had read about it on the web. He corroborated what was said previously about the existence of the reflash. Frankly, my car has always felt really strong and soot hasn't been a major issue. I mean, it's there, but no more than my 1.8T was.

[M3_Zoom]

Jay was more than willing to explain it to me. He also asked if I had read about it on the web. He corroborated what was said previously about the existence of the reflash. Frankly, my car has always felt really strong and soot hasn't been a major issue. I mean, it's there, but no more than my 1.8T was.


Interesting. camrycev6 said his car does not have any of the listed issues and runs strong as well. I only have 250 miles on mine and have yet to push past 4,000/4500 RPMS so I cannot say on my car. I just see an issue and wan't to help out. I'll make a call tomorrow.

On a better note, are you going to post pics of your car in the suspension section? Let's see her dropped with those Mazdaspeed Springs.

[camrycev6]

1. Did he compare the TSB with the DTC and read the File Update? If he read the file update SW-L34SEC000 that gives allot more details to the specifics of the re-flash.

He claims he did. I asked him to go look it up. He said he had the entire "bulletin" in front of him. He read and read to me and said that it did not call out anything about acceleration issues. (He did say that it doesn't mean it didn't address them --- he just said it doesn't say anything about that.)

2. If Swampass comes back with issues as well I'm contacting Mazda. I find it hard to believe someone with over 15 years as a Service Manager would give me a line of crap yet alone call me back and talk to me long distance for over an hour with all the details.

I hear you. I believe you on this one. I just wish we could get consistent answers from Mazda. With all of this information, you would think it would be simple to get the straight story.

3. It's for a multi-model driveability problem PERIOD and all the details that go with it that I listed above. Boy this pisses me off.

Me too! I am going to call another dealer today and see what they say.

4. I would have him look up the update SW-L34SEC000 and read that. Also if I recall, the person told me your car had to be hooked up to the mconnects.com (Mazda Support System, it uses a phone line) machine in order to find it. Why? I'm not sure but the way I see it, is how can you check for computer updates to your PC if it's not connected... This re-flash is downloaded from Mazda through the Support System and is not just some gadget he plugs in that sits around the shop. Boy oh boy... The only way this person was able to look the information up for me was on the prior re-flashed MS3's service order tickets because again you need the car to do it.

That is exactly what he said. He said that he had to have my car hooked up in order to check the update. (That is why he said the DTC code wouldn't do him anygood.) I don't know why either. At this point, the conversation was pretty much done. In summary, he said there were 2 flashes, one that addressed both the p2006 CEL and Swirl Value issues, and one for the Cold start problem.

I am at a loss here. I will try dealer # 2 today.

[M3_Zoom]

Hello all! My source said they could not find any immediate reading as being VIN# specific. Here we go... they are looking into it and will call me back.

So, I also forwarded the information to a different souce as well too see/compare.

This is what's funny, first they say no re-flash at all. Then, it's yes there are two re-flashes but with only two different problems. Next, it's yes there are re-flashes for various driveability problems, but only on certain VIN#'s. I honestly think its in the reading of the SW-L34SEC000 update. Also if the dealer is not willing to hook your car up to the Mazda Support System, how are they going to know, especially if you become re-flash #1.

[camrycev6]

I got the only certain VINs as well. He said that the newer MS3s have already been flashed to the "current" version. Work has been busy, so I haven't got a chance to call another dealer. I am planning to do it first thing tomorrow.

[M3_Zoom]

I got the only certain VINs as well. He said that the newer MS3s have already been flashed to the "current" version. Work has been busy, so I haven't got a chance to call another dealer. I am planning to do it first thing tomorrow.

Hey camrycev6! The nice thing is, if that is the case then at least give us the magic number for the VIN# so we can say "hey if you have a MS3 with VIN# bla bla bla to VIN# bla bla bla, you need a re-flash." I don't disagree with that because it's happened on a few turbo'd cars I previously owned however, I also feel as a MS3 owner we are entitled to know. So those with the early released MS3 will be kept in the dark because the TSB is not advertised nor is it a recall. I'm like you, I have not had any issues at all but my car only has 250 miles on it. We'll see...

[abun24]

I took my car in for an oil change today. The tech said he didn't think there was an update, but when he plugged it in he found one. He downloaded the new software. cool.

The power may be a bit more consistent, but its not a totally different car or anything.

[speedi3]

I took mine in today for a the 15k service. Provided the TSB codes as AND after a few challenges with the dealer they went ahead and performed the ECM recode. I agree its not that different just more consistant.

[M3_Zoom]

I took mine in today for a the 15k service. Provided the TSB codes as AND after a few challenges with the dealer they went ahead and performed the ECM recode. I agree its not that different just more consistant.


It sure would be nice if all dealers could get on board and make this happen. This is just a prime example of why some of us need to complain. Also, as I stated before the intentions/purpose of the re-flash is for "better" driveability, not to go faster. It eliminate hesitation, spikes etc. across the band. I'm just glad some of you have dealers willing to hook your cars up to the machine and check.

Secondly, what this also tells me is the information I have posted from my unnamed source is correct. (thumb) I had no doubts when they called me back long distance and spoke to me for over an hour.

Ahhhh...(strike) Hey camrycev6 any luck?

I personally have not experienced any driveability issues, but again my main purpose for the push on this is to help those that do have issues.

[M3_Zoom]

I took my car in for an oil change today. The tech said he didn't think there was an update, but when he plugged it in he found one. He downloaded the new software. cool.

The power may be a bit more consistent, but its not a totally different car or anything.

Great! Also, as I stated before the intentions/purpose of the re-flash is for "better" driveability, not to go faster. It eliminates hesitation, spikes etc. across the band.

Glad to see some of your dealers taking the time to take care of it.

[Champloo]

I took my speed3 in yesterday because the cd changer crapped out on me and also told them I wanted to get the reflash if it was available. They knew exactly what I was talking about, checked my car and gave me a printout of all the 2007 updates from Mazda N.A.
Here's the lowdown about DTC-2407:
The latest models have the most up-to-date version on their PCM. The only Mazda3 models that would need the reflash are:
(CA spec) with VINs lower than JM1BK****71635356 (produced before 9/6/06)
and
(Fed spec) with VINs lower than JM1BK****71618119 (produced before 8/1/06)

If you have a VIN higher than these, then you're good to go!

I hope that this clears the issue up for everyone. We should all have our Mazdas running in top condition and it's sad that a lot of dealers are all about the sale and not about the service.

[jacen]

The latest models have the most up-to-date version on their PCM. The only Mazda3 models that would need the reflash are:
(CA spec) with VINs lower than JM1BK****71635356 (produced before 9/6/06)
and
(Fed spec) with VINs lower than JM1BK****71618119 (produced before 8/1/06)

If you have a VIN higher than these, then you're good to go!



Awesome work! I wasn't having the problems described in this thread so I didn't know if mine came with the newer code or not, and according to this it does. Thanks!

[Champloo]

Glad I could help!

I wasn't having the problems either but I wanted to make sure that I had everything up to date, especially since I had to take my car in anyway.

[M3_Zoom]

Glad I could help!

I wasn't having the problems either but I wanted to make sure that I had everything up to date, especially since I had to take my car in anyway.


Champloo, Thank you for the information. I was waiting for a returned call on Monday with this information. The sooner the better! Thank you again and welcome!

[M3_Zoom]

Hey all! Check out the attachment. Interesting how familiar the PCM Calibration Part Number and File name look...

[knowledge007]

cool

[SeanMSIII]

I took my speed3 in yesterday because the cd changer crapped out on me and also told them I wanted to get the reflash if it was available. They knew exactly what I was talking about, checked my car and gave me a printout of all the 2007 updates from Mazda N.A.
Here's the lowdown about DTC-2407:
The latest models have the most up-to-date version on their PCM. The only Mazda3 models that would need the reflash are:
(CA spec) with VINs lower than JM1BK****71635356 (produced before 9/6/06)
and
(Fed spec) with VINs lower than JM1BK****71618119 (produced before 8/1/06)

If you have a VIN higher than these, then you're good to go!

I hope that this clears the issue up for everyone. We should all have our Mazdas running in top condition and it's sad that a lot of dealers are all about the sale and not about the service.


Were any MS3 built before 8/1/06? I guess I need to take a look at mine.

[BlackJack]

No, I don't think so. Mine was built on Jan 19th, 2007 :P

[M3_Zoom]

Were any MS3 built before 8/1/06? I guess I need to take a look at mine.

I don't think so. I thought the first one's were 9/2006. I could be wrong but...

[kokemon23]

I don't think so. I thought the first one's were 9/2006. I could be wrong but...

+1

I seem to remember there being one or two 8/06 productions, but nothing before that.

[camrycev6]

It sure would be nice if all dealers could get on board and make this happen. This is just a prime example of why some of us need to complain. Also, as I stated before the intentions/purpose of the re-flash is for "better" driveability, not to go faster. It eliminate hesitation, spikes etc. across the band. I'm just glad some of you have dealers willing to hook your cars up to the machine and check.

Secondly, what this also tells me is the information I have posted from my unnamed source is correct. (thumb) I had no doubts when they called me back long distance and spoke to me for over an hour.

Ahhhh...(strike) Hey camrycev6 any luck?

I personally have not experienced any driveability issues, but again my main purpose for the push on this is to help those that do have issues.


Thanks again for everything Zoom. I was able to confirm by my VIN that I did not need the upgrade. (Which explains why I am not experiencing any problems.) My last 4 are 8271.

Thanks to everyone who worked so hard to get this resolved. We certainly have done more work than Mazda!!! It was good to see us coming together to get this sorted out.

[$inCitySpeed3]

I Told You So....lol

[camrycev6]

It has been so long, I forget what you said!
;-)

[M3_Zoom]

I Told You So....lol

$inCitySpeed3, told us what? Ha.... No really, thanks for your input and all those who contributed. (drinks)

[M3_Zoom]

Thanks again for everything Zoom. I was able to confirm by my VIN that I did not need the upgrade. (Which explains why I am not experiencing any problems.) My last 4 are 8271.

Thanks to everyone who worked so hard to get this resolved. We certainly have done more work than Mazda!!! It was good to see us coming together to get this sorted out.


Hey camrycev6, we can't figure these beasts out on our own so for you and all those who posted helpful information, THANK YOU!

Now here is the funny part, certain dealers are still claiming they know nothing about it and the TSB attachment I posted, only shows up in there system not on the NHTSA website. That's my next fix.

:D

[alien1979]

To EVERYONE who participated in this, a very big thank you! As was stated before, we HAVE to stick together to get through these problems.

Bravo!

Now, lets go drive! (drive2)

[voiceKoil]

voiceKoil,did you get your swirl valve replaced? If so, how is your car driving now? Did it include a re-flash?


Yes they replaced that, I asked if they did a reflash and they looked at me like I was crazy and said no. I honestly havent looked at the work order to remember exactly what was done (I know it takes 2 secs to do) but its driving great, and it wasnt just the swirl valve! The only thing I dont understand is now its really puttin out the carbon, I was flooring it on the freeway and had so much black smoke coming out that it caught my attention in my rearveiw. Needless to say I drove from my dealer to my house (half hour drive) and the tailpipe was pitch black, I cleaned it before I left the dealer. So I dont know what the hell to say..... My cars driving good with no CELs now though, and better mpg, but black tip still. I guess Im happy.

[voiceKoil]

I took my speed3 in yesterday because the cd changer crapped out on me and also told them I wanted to get the reflash if it was available. They knew exactly what I was talking about, checked my car and gave me a printout of all the 2007 updates from Mazda N.A.
Here's the lowdown about DTC-2407:
The latest models have the most up-to-date version on their PCM. The only Mazda3 models that would need the reflash are:
(CA spec) with VINs lower than JM1BK****71635356 (produced before 9/6/06)
and
(Fed spec) with VINs lower than JM1BK****71618119 (produced before 8/1/06)

If you have a VIN higher than these, then you're good to go!

I hope that this clears the issue up for everyone. We should all have our Mazdas running in top condition and it's sad that a lot of dealers are all about the sale and not about the service.

Mines right in the middle, jm1bk****71627*** So I guess my dealers just unaware of a reflash (or B.Sin me), Ive been there 3 times about it and wasnt the nicest about some of the things, I gotta look into it, besides my ipod adapter stopped working so theres another reason to go up to the dealer

[bast525]

Going in to the dealer today to replace my 1500 mile factory oil with some good synthetic.

I wrote down all of the TSB/reflash information and will try to get them to take care of this for me while I"m there.

I have been getting clouds of black smoke when I floor it, am averaging well under 20 mpg's, highest achieved was 23 mpg's on a long freeway trip with very little hard driving, and the other day I got on it and the car just bogged so bad that it felt like there was a rope tied to the car and to a wall... it bogged so hard I got thrown forward and the seatbelt locked and caught me.

So... hopefully they can fix this....

[M3_Zoom]

Going in to the dealer today to replace my 1500 mile factory oil with some good synthetic.

I wrote down all of the TSB/reflash information and will try to get them to take care of this for me while I"m there.

I have been getting clouds of black smoke when I floor it, am averaging well under 20 mpg's, highest achieved was 23 mpg's on a long freeway trip with very little hard driving, and the other day I got on it and the car just bogged so bad that it felt like there was a rope tied to the car and to a wall... it bogged so hard I got thrown forward and the seatbelt locked and caught me.

So... hopefully they can fix this....

bast525, where in line does your VIN# fall from the previous post? Also remember the re-flash is not designed to eliminate the black soot, it's for driveability issues. Now, yes you're certainly experiencing that with the bogging down etc. Did you print the Adobe file I posted a few posts back? If you take that along with the other posted information to the dealer, they will have a hard time saying no unless there already onboard with the issues. Lastly you should be getting better than 23 MPG on the highway. I only have ~300 miles on my car and I get 26.5 / 27 with mixed Highway & City driving. We'll atleast that's what my onboard trip computer states and most cars go up a few MPG as the engine breaks in, which would put me right at the advertised 28MPG etc.

Let us know what they do for you.

[chuci]

On second thought, here is the first page of the workorder with my personal info blanked out. Wouldnt want any of you to think I was lying or anything....(fight)

104965
woooohoooo.... THANK YOU! I took this to my dealer today. When I asked about an update based on high carbon on the exhaust - NADA. I showed them your work-order and there is a "diveability" update they ran today. No night/day difference, however much smoother power delivery. I'll have to see how it is on a "cold" start tomorrow when leaving the house, but I think the hiccups will be gone. [Borat]High-FIVE[\Borat](thumb)

[M3_Zoom]

woooohoooo.... THANK YOU! I took this to my dealer today. When I asked about an update based on high carbon on the exhaust - NADA. I showed them your work-order and there is a "diveability" update they ran today. No night/day difference, however much smoother power delivery. I'll have to see how it is on a "cold" start tomorrow when leaving the house, but I think the hiccups will be gone. [Borat]High-FIVE[\Borat](thumb)


Nice! It shouldn't be to much longer before all dealers are on board. Let us know how the cold starts are...

[bast525]

Okay I went to the dealer with all of the info posted a few pages back... the tech was being very helpful and open minded. I gave him the numbers for this TSB and he was able to look it up. He connected my car to the computer and it indicated that my car already had the most up to date software.

Also, apparently my VIN number does not fall within the range specified by this TSB.

Odd since I seem to have the problems people have mentioned above... black soot, black smoke on hard accel, bad gas mileage, hesitation at odd times.

The production date on my car is 12/06, for what that's worth, but I dont' have the VIN handy.

But yeah... this guy was being very helpful so I don't doubt when he tells me that my car already has this updated software in it.

Ah well at least now I know :D

[$inCitySpeed3]

where did you find production number?

[chuci]

Nice! It shouldn't be to much longer before all dealers are on board. Let us know how the cold starts are...
muuuuuuucccchhhhh better ;) Car runs great even when not up to temp. I haven't cleaned the exhaust tip, so not sure if a/f has been improved.

[elderlycoffee]

so if i take it to my dealer and ask them to reflash it will they?

[Champloo]

so if i take it to my dealer and ask them to reflash it will they?

They'll only reflash your ECU if it needs it. See below for the VIN #s and production dates of vehicles that DO need the reflash. If your VIN # is outside this and your car was produced after the dates indicated then you have the latest flash on your ECU.

(CA spec) with VINs lower than JM1BK****71635356 (produced before 9/6/06)
and
(Fed spec) with VINs lower than JM1BK****71618119 (produced before 8/1/06)

[elderlycoffee]

They'll only reflash your ECU if it needs it. See below for the VIN #s and production dates of vehicles that DO need the reflash. If your VIN # is outside this and your car was produced after the dates indicated then you have the latest flash on your ECU.

(CA spec) with VINs lower than JM1BK****71635356 (produced before 9/6/06)
and
(Fed spec) with VINs lower than JM1BK****71618119 (produced before 8/1/06)




So if my vin is lower than either of those examples i need the reflash?

[destrux]

My vin is higher than than the 01-046/06 TSB covers, my production date is 12/06. I have very bad soot (I've owned turbo eclipses for the past 8 years, and I work on SRT4's, turbo hondas, WRX's, etc.. on a regular basis, so I know how much soot is normal). I also have a cloud of smoke develop when the car sits at idle for a few minutes after I drive it. Smells like sulfur. It doesn't do it every time, but at least twice or 3 times a day. It's embarrasing for a new car to do this, especially with only 8,000 miles on it. It happened when the car was idling for a minute at the mcdonalds drive thru today, huge cloud of smoke, at least twice the size of the car. Stopped smoking as soon as I started driving. Anyway, I found a TSB that covers it. TSB number on the sulfur issue is 01-043/06. Covers all Mazda3 vehicles (actually, just about all other Mazda vehicles too). It states that you should change the gas station you are going to because the sulfur content of the fuel is too high and the cat oxidizes (sp?) it which creates the smell. LOL. What a fix.

That being said, I'm going to try Valero gas instead of the Hess that I was running (in all my cars, and sportbikes, for the past 9 years). I was using Hess cause it's the only place in the area that sells 93 octane. Everywhere else only has 91. I wish there was a Shell station in the area, because I have heard their gas burns the cleanest and has low sulfur levels (they are considered a top-tier fuel).


At least we dont have CX7's. Mazda's fix for a CX7 with alot of soot (so bad it makes the bumper black) is to just put a longer tailpipe on so that the exhaust fumes are farther from the bumper. (TSB number 01-028/07).

Also, the guys that said they had a reflash done and it made the car feel smoother and it ran better, but had less "punch"... check out this TSB about a certain CX7 ECU reflash. Keep in mind the CX7 has the same engine as a MS3.

While I was reading all these TSB's I also found out why my car has little grey dots inside the hood jamb... I guess it was delivered to the port in NJ while the Navy was painting some ships grey, and they got overspray on a bunch of Mazdas that were being unloaded. Mazda's fix was to have the dealers clay-bar the cars with the overspray to remove it. Wonderful...

[Champloo]

So if my vin is lower than either of those examples i need the reflash?

Right. You should definitely have your dealer scan it if your VIN is below those numbers. If your VIN is higher, you can still bring it in but they'll just tell you that you've already received the reflash (either at the dealer or at the factory).

[billyrohm]

I just picked up a 2007 Black Speed3 GT with a vin that ends with 71728086

They had to make me a new key to replace the one that they lost. I asked the technician to tell me if a new flash was available, he checked, said that there was and then flashed it for me. It was at a dealer in Hampton Roads VA

[guy_incognito]

I just got back from my motor mount recall service. When dropping it off I just asked if they could check to see if there was an update. Turns out they did have a PCM update; it is just labeled as '2700 emmissions', which I think is just a general category they use for different types of repairs. My car's build date is 4/07.

Just cleaned off the tail pipe, so we'll see if it makes any difference.

[invertedcharlie]

mine have the same smoke problem, I took it to the dealer and they said its the gasket from the turbo, so they replace the gasket & turbo, have to wait 2 days for the turbo to get in..after it was taken care of, no more smoke, my black mica ms3 runs great, they also fix the air condition problem, now it gets cooler quicker...don't know if that helps...

[Ferdball]

mine have the same smoke problem, I took it to the dealer and they said its the gasket from the turbo, so they replace the gasket & turbo, have to wait 2 days for the turbo to get in..after it was taken care of, no more smoke, my black mica ms3 runs great, they also fix the air condition problem, now it gets cooler quicker...don't know if that helps...

Do you happen to know if you got the stock part number, or a revised part number. Someone one the other forum said that Mazda revised the turbo, and replacements for smoke will get the new one.

If so, that means that there might be a defect with the stock turbo.

[AeroSquid]

i noticed this on mymazda last night-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v18/AeroSquid/recall.jpg

would this be the recall we are talking about here?

Edit- I just got off the phone with my Mazda dealer (Blue Ridge Mazda in KC) and they didn't know about the recall but found it when i asked.

[Ferdball]

i noticed this on mymazda last night-

Edit- I just got off the phone with my Mazda dealer (Blue Ridge Mazda in KC) and they didn't know about the recall but found it when i asked.

I have this listed in MyMazda too. I wonder if we can get more details about it somewhere.