Highest Boost Capable

[Prison]

Im going to either up my boost tomorrow or sometime between monday. Whats the most it can handle because i know it will do 18 safe, but is there anything that it can do safer? Please let me know, i dont want to blow my shit if you know what i mean!! Oh and im running 15 spike to 9-10ish after spike and i have the atp downpipe.(five-0) 18 no spike will be way fast!!!!!!(nuts) thats what ill be doing to all the cars on the sreets

[Brian MP5T]

Good Luck With That...

[Killer]

Zoom-Zoom-Boom!

[jcgemt2003]

Im going to either up my boost tomorrow or sometime between monday. Whats the most it can handle because i know it will do 18 safe, but is there anything that it can do safer? Please let me know, i dont want to blow my shit if you know what i mean!! Oh and im running 15 spike to 9-10ish after spike and i have the atp downpipe.(five-0) 18 no spike will be way fast!!!!!!(nuts) thats what ill be doing to all the cars on the sreets
Dont mess with the bost....its computer controlled and the fuelcut is at 18psi......and we all know what that means.....Lots of boost and no fuel gives you.......DETONATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Prison]

Thats why atp made the boostcut module. Kills boost cuts. I was running 18lbs, boost cut maybe twice, but with the boost cut module ill be able to run it without boost cuts. Do you guys think that 18 is a safe run though? only 3lbs more then stock.

[Brian MP5T]

Yeah... Think about it like this..

The MSP was 7 Psi... People raised it to 9-10 and they all started to POP...

Do what you like, but expect to have a problem in the form of a broken car... Eventually..

[Prison]

Do you think I should call up a dealership mechanic and ask what it can bea raised to. Ive been looking for a tech founder saying something about the boost but i havnt found anything yet

[Klip]

Oh yeah, you should most definitely talk to the dealership tech first..........praying for that MS6(outie)

[Prison]

Hahaha, no need to pray i hope. Only praying would be for all the other cars that try to come on aginst the MS6 aka king of the streets, ahahahaha(first)

[sikanimator]

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[Prison]

Thats the attitude i like right there. Ill probly put it up on like 17, 18. I have the manuel turbonetiocs, i hope it holds the boost. Thanks man

[wannabe]

i wish i had that much money to just "test" the limits of parts...

[RevLimitLaunch]

tuning tuning tuning!!! sure the ecu may be able to help correct a bit running at 18psi but for how long? my opinion, get yourself a tuner first to optimize that 18psi. incorrect a/f r's is what will kill you, not boost.

i have a buddy that was running an sr20de, if no one knows, thats the high compression all motor version of the sr20det they put into sentras and 200sx's here in the states. fully stock motor, he ran 22psi in it all last summer and he beat the absolute sh*t out of the car in every way, which everyone says is impossible. but its not, boost does not kill motors, improper tuning does!!!!!! at least too a point

[Prison]

See I want to tune the speed6 but dont know of anything to tune it with. I dont want some cheap safc to start with, GO BIG OR GO HOME

[RevLimitLaunch]

xede, cp-e, cobb, unfortunately availability may be an issue haha.

[DSMConvert]

I concur you'll kill the turbo far before you'll hurt the engine...the engine is essentially forged(unlike its fs-de cousin), I'd be willing to bet you could easily run 20-25psi(depending on the turbo cfm) without any engine issues...assuming you had proper fuel control...the problem with uppign the boost, is that the stock turbo is already at is max efficiency range...

[jdub260]

I concur you'll kill the turbo far before you'll hurt the engine...the engine is essentially forged(unlike its fs-de cousin), I'd be willing to bet you could easily run 20-25psi(depending on the turbo cfm) without any engine issues...assuming you had proper fuel control...the problem with uppign the boost, is that the stock turbo is already at is max efficiency range...

The Turbo efficiency has been debated before crossbow posted some good information here. See post #36

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123637512&highlight=K04

[Prison]

I dont know, all I no is that I got both the parts today and I want to try it out asap

[4DRHTRD]

22 PSI on my 3071R every day with no problems.
:)

[RevLimitLaunch]

did you max the stock k out beforehand at all? or just switch and then tune?

[4DRHTRD]

Switch and kind of tune. It's fat right now, in a few weeks I'll get her more dialed in.

[Prison]

I have nothing to tune my car with. I have the atp downpipe and the atp boost cut module. Will it be okay if i turn it to 18 without tune. And does anyone know how I could get the CEL off, I have 1 fauler, the trick thing for the 02 sensor, and i reflashed and it came back, should i use two or get the atp trick thing that they sell?

[DSMConvert]

hehe jdub..glad you posted that chart, I was looking for it yesterday...I didn't mean 20-25psi on the stock turbo, I was referring to if you upgraded yoru turbo such as 4dr did. Thats what I was hinting at with the cfm statement, but I can see where that was misleading none the less.

[4DRHTRD]

I have nothing to tune my car with. I have the atp downpipe and the atp boost cut module. Will it be okay if i turn it to 18 without tune. And does anyone know how I could get the CEL off, I have 1 fauler, the trick thing for the 02 sensor, and i reflashed and it came back, should i use two or get the atp trick thing that they sell?
You'll probably not be able to hit 18 PSI without fuel cut.
If you installed a diode on the 2nd O2 sensor and you have a CEL you have the stripe the wrong way.

[jcgemt2003]

You'll probably not be able to hit 18 PSI without fuel cut.
If you installed a diode on the 2nd O2 sensor and you have a CEL you have the stripe the wrong way.
You got passed 18psi with the xede right?...I was thinking of boosting mine to 18psi but only if the xede can control it....Its suppossed to be on its way...so more to come on that....Got any suggestions 4dr? (oh yeah stock turbo)

[4DRHTRD]

Stock turbo max performance will come from aftermarket IC, some type of MAP clamp and fuel adjustment capability.
I have the XEDE and although you can pull fuel with it I have great hopes for the CP-E piggyback in my various conversations with Jordan concerning it. They have the MS6 knowledge to pull off full control of everything required to get the most HP possible from the car.

Know what's funny? Shiv at Vishnu is moving away from XEDE and moving towards his own box when it comes to the direct injection BMW cars. Search for XEDE 335i and you'll find a ton of info and a post from XEDE themselves not being happy with that happenning.

[jcgemt2003]

Stock turbo max performance will come from aftermarket IC, some type of MAP clamp and fuel adjustment capability.
I have the XEDE and although you can pull fuel with it I have great hopes for the CP-E piggyback in my various conversations with Jordan concerning it. They have the MS6 knowledge to pull off full control of everything required to get the most HP possible from the car.

Know what's funny? Shiv at Vishnu is moving away from XEDE and moving towards his own box when it comes to the direct injection BMW cars. Search for XEDE 335i and you'll find a ton of info and a post from XEDE themselves not being happy with that happenning.
So will you be removing this system from your car and installing the cpe system?

[Prison]

When does the cpe tuning come out, and how much you guys think? 4DR.. How do I use the diode, and will it work for sure? I have one of those no foulers, the spark plug crap. It sucks. And What type of diode should I get, I guess there a lot of them. Instructions to install as well please!!! Were all a team here!!(idhitit)

[4DRHTRD]

So will you be removing this system from your car and installing the cpe system?
Yes.
:)

[4DRHTRD]

You can see video's of my car at http://youtube.com/mtxpert

[1fastMS6]

Here's everything you need to know:
http://www.audiworld.com/tech/eng53.shtml
It's quite easy, gives you the radio shack part #
Follow exactly what is says including the wire color, making sure that the stripe on the diode is towards the O2 and not towards the ECU.
I pulled back the wire cover on the O2 with it still connected to the car and zip tied it there. I cut the wire, crimped in the diode and then removed the zip tie from the cover so it could slip back down and hide the diode.


The silver stripe should be towards the ECM. Not the other way around. And the diode works great. I put it in on Saturday and put 250 miles on it so far and still no CEL.

[jcgemt2003]

Yes.
:)
startn to feel like I shouldnt have bought it now....damnit i hate it when that happens.

[4DRHTRD]

The silver stripe should be towards the ECM. Not the other way around. And the diode works great. I put it in on Saturday and put 250 miles on it so far and still no CEL.
My bad, I did it a few hundred miles ago and forgot. :)

[Prison]

You think it will work even for me? With the whole no fauler thing worken and all

[1fastMS6]

You think it will work even for me? With the whole no fauler thing worken and all

it will work even if you have the non foulers on.

[Prison]

kay kool. So is is the black wireing or is it the green and yellow. I dont get what this audi guy is saying because in his picture its on the black wire

[Prison]

Anyone know what these stand for, cel codes, p1034, p1039, p0031, p0134, p0031? OBDII codes

[Brian MP5T]

^^ Wow,

[StealthWyvern]

Anyone know what these stand for, cel codes, p1034, p1039, p0031, p0134, p0031? OBDII codes

And your car runs fien throwing all those codes!?!

[RevLimitLaunch]

go to autozone.com and check them there...

[jdub260]

Anyone know what these stand for, cel codes, p1034, p1039, p0031, p0134, p0031? OBDII codes

A couple of them are listed here.

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123662124

P0031 Front HO2S heater circuit low input ON 2 O2 sensor heater
P0134 Front HO2S circuit no activity detected ON 2 CCM

I can't find either of these two??
P1034
P1039

Do like RevLimitLaunch said and get them scanned at Autozone and let us know and I'll add them to the list.

[RevLimitLaunch]

Anyone know what these stand for, cel codes, p1034, p1039, p0031, p0134, p0031? OBDII codes


p1034--doesnt exist (figured you meant p0134, which was already covered)

p1039-- doesnt exist either (figured you meant p0139, so i looked it up that way which it says...) determined the respond time that oxy sensor 2 bank 1 was too slow in testing

[4DRHTRD]

Anyone know what these stand for, cel codes, p1034, p1039, p0031, p0134, p0031? OBDII codes
Did you install the diode and get these codes after? If so you've got it on the wrong wire or facing backwards.

[Prison]

No, its still the fauler. I just reset it, i havnt jumped in my car yet to see if its still up

[Prison]

yeah so its still on. I think i need to but another fauler on it. P0031 Front HO2S heater circuit low input ON 2 O2 sensor heater - P0134 Front HO2S circuit no activity detected ON 2 CCM.... Do those have to do with the rear 02 sensor?

[Prison]

I have the navigation on my car. Does anyone know if you can make it into a DVD player, my cuz that sold me the car said you can but u have to cut some wires. Anyone know if its possible?

[wannabe]

I have the navigation on my car. Does anyone know if you can make it into a DVD player, my cuz that sold me the car said you can but u have to cut some wires. Anyone know if its possible?

your muddying up your own thread. i would start a new one for this...

[Prison]

Good idea, So i did. Hahaha, but yeah so ive been hitting 18 lbs and it sort of lags when i floor it. Alittle powerful but it only spikes to 18, then tappers right back down to 10. For the guys that up'd yours, do u have this problem? Would this have to do with a/f ratio, to much air? Cuz it feels like to much air!

[jcgemt2003]

Your really not controlling the boost acuratlly with the boost controller your using...you need an EMS system to do it.....the turbo has an internal wastegate which is controlled by the ECU. You dont want to turn it up to far without knowing your AF ratios...for all you know you could be leaning out....probably not but theres no way tell without one.

[RevLimitLaunch]

i floored it today in 6th an it wouldnt go pass 12 lbs...wtf is up with that...hmmmm

[jcgemt2003]

i floored it today in 6th an it wouldnt go pass 12 lbs...wtf is up with that...hmmmm
I have that same problem....but hopefully will remedy that this week with some tuning.

[RevLimitLaunch]

lol my cars all up in the air, especially since my cai install. i've hit 12-16 pounds in all gears and its always random, makes it kinda hard to wanna race someone lol when i know its gonna run somewhere in between. but like you said tuning should take care of that, cpe ftw! can't wait for pnp.

[Prison]

i cant wait for that CP-E either, damn damn damn, What EMS systems are you guys using? Whats the best one for our cars? And Is the cp-e piggy acailable?

[Rican219]

I Pull close to 15lbs in every gear with my new Downpipe installed and full 3 incg exhaust and in 6th gear I can pull close to 17lbs with no boost controller.

[RevLimitLaunch]

dp is on my things to do list, suspension and brakes are before it though...i think my boost fluctuation may also be directly affected by the weather. its like 30-45 over here right now and it seems to just hover in that area...fun..

[Prison]

Do any of you two have the atp boost cut killer? I heard the AEM EMS is good?

[RevLimitLaunch]

aem doesn't make an ems for the speed 6...i don't use the atp boost cut killer. but im not boosting over 17psi, and even thats just usually spiking.

[dadasracecar]

I have the CPE piggyback installed and the PID boost control that their EE, Lou, designed is set to 15 psi. From the small amount of datalogging we've done my boost pressure is MUCH more stable than stock (stock was measured on Seoulful's car on a dyno using standalone equipment-sorry, I couldn't tell you what they used I'm still new at this). All of the other parameters are zeroed out and the car feels dramatically different. It pulls hard past 6K and only drops off mildly. It's also noticeably smoother and easier to drive. This is all SOTP feeling so it doesn't mean much. We should hopefully be dyno testing next week. It suffices to say that tuning is the solution.

[Prison]

Where did you get the CP-E piggy back from? If you have a site that would be great!!! :)

[Prison]

By site, i meant link. I was brain dead at the moment

[jdub260]

He's one of the test cars for CP-E. The Piggyback is not yet available. Still in testing phase.

[jcgemt2003]

He's one of the test cars for CP-E. The Piggyback is not yet available. Still in testing phase.
I have the XEDE on my speed and it yanks out some pretty good power right now...we arent able to control the boost yet we are having wiring issues...but I intalled my wideband and I am running 11.4 AFR at WOT which is much better than the 10.1 I was running...once we ve taken care of the wastegate controll will be making a map for 18psi and one for 20psi. We plan to test the limits of the stock turbo a liitle with the 20psi because there has been such debat as to what this tubo can actually handle. Once we ve established that it can or cant handle it I will install the ATP gtr3071 turbo....without a cutout....(if you no what I mean) Right now with the intake, exhaust, blowoff valve and Xede Im hoping will make some good number on the dyno...soon as we have will post.

[dadasracecar]

By site, i meant link. I was brain dead at the moment

Start here:
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3022986&postcount=117

[Prison]

So if i was to get one of these tuning systems, by cp-e or xede, would i need the boost cut killer, because the boost is turned up? Or do you not get boost cuts when it is tuned?

[jcgemt2003]

So if i was to get one of these tuning systems, by cp-e or xede, would i need the boost cut killer, because the boost is turned up? Or do you not get boost cuts when it is tuned?
No you should not....unless your gonna run more than 22psi and then who knows because the only guy who has (4drhtrd) had trouble with his boost(his exhuast cutout being the reason) spiking into the high 20's WOT and then at 30psi BOOM! No one really no's for sure with Cpe. Its not available to the public yet. I like there work, I have some of it but for them to post a dyno graph with a cat-back makin 25whp and a dowmpipe doing the same (i think you no where Im going with this) I have there stuff and didnt see anywhere near those gains...but I didnt expect to.

[Prison]

Hmmmmmmmmm, well i think ill sell mine then, if you no anyone that wants it then send them my way

[Prison]

Have you guys ever knoticed, some days youll roll your windows up, but when you get to the car there all rolled down. What the hell is up with that. Its done it to me once before at the beach, and yesterday. What would it be from??

[Killer]

Have you guys ever knoticed, some days youll roll your windows up, but when you get to the car there all rolled down. What the hell is up with that. Its done it to me once before at the beach, and yesterday. What would it be from??you accidently putting pressure on the UNLOCK button on your remote.

[Prison]

OOOO so if you hold the unlock button your windows do that?????

[LBV]

We're getting off-topic here, but ya, on the 2nd unlock if you keep holding the button down it'll roll down all your windows and eventually your sunroof too ... great on those hot days as you approach the car to let all that hot air out.

[Prison]

So i put in my AEM intake today, i punched in on the freeway in 4th, it held 15 the wole time. I loved it

[forrestang]

So if i was to get one of these tuning systems, by cp-e or xede, would i need the boost cut killer, because the boost is turned up? Or do you not get boost cuts when it is tuned?

I dont' think too many have payed attention to this, and I could be completely wrong?

But I thnk the majority of fuel cut problems are coming from people with CAI's on their cars. THe Fuel cut is coming from the turbulent air that flows across the MAF(I think?).

That air needs either time to straighten itself out, or something to force it straight, so the MAF can properly measure it.

There are bandaids like the FCDs on the market.

I had a CAI on my car for a while. And I would consistently get Fuel Cut during the cold months. I put the stock airbox on and problems went away. i was able to have a CAI and FCD on and it worked whne the temperature was above 50.

I have my stock airbox on now, and it's been below freezing here in Illinois for the last few days and I haven't hit Fuel cut yet.

As of current, I believe CPE's CAI is the only one that has made an attempt to account for the MAF mounting and housing issues?

[Jonesy32]

Just an FYI...
I have had the Mazdaspeed CAI installed now for 3 months...no fuel cut what-so-ever and no CEL's as of yet. Temperatures ranged from 0 degrees F to 40 degrees F over those 3 months. Oh, I should mention the dealership installed it and adjusted the ECU to account for the extra air velocity. I would recommend installing this without hesitaton...

[jdub260]

About the Fuel Cut Issues...

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3053766&postcount=145

[OfourTHREEfive]

Dont forget to take into account the size of the turbo the MS6 has. Efficiency past 18psi probably wouldnt be too good. I would just leave it and wait to upgrade turbo or do more bolt ons.

[4DRHTRD]

No you should not....unless your gonna run more than 22psi and then who knows because the only guy who has (4drhtrd) had trouble with his boost(his exhuast cutout being the reason) spiking into the high 20's WOT and then at 30psi BOOM! No one really no's for sure with Cpe. Its not available to the public yet.
Completely incorrect info on my motor, most likely a rod bolt and it's still being investigated.
I have a CP-E tuner...

[Prison]

Just an FYI...
I have had the Mazdaspeed CAI installed now for 3 months...no fuel cut what-so-ever and no CEL's as of yet. Temperatures ranged from 0 degrees F to 40 degrees F over those 3 months. Oh, I should mention the dealership installed it and adjusted the ECU to account for the extra air velocity. I would recommend installing this without hesitaton...


I have the AEM intake, Do you guys think i should go in and get my ECU adjusted to?? Will it make a difference or is it the same thing? Plus, if I did get my ECU adjusted, would it take off the CEL for the downpipe, take it off for good????

[ssinstaller]

I have the AEM intake, Do you guys think i should go in and get my ECU adjusted to?? Will it make a difference or is it the same thing? Plus, if I did get my ECU adjusted, would it take off the CEL for the downpipe, take it off for good????

No dealer has the ability to adjust the PCM programming to compensate for an intake...They may have updated the software to the newest version, but it has noting to do with the intake..

A diode will fix the cel for your downpipe, I've been CEL free for over 5000 miles..

[Prison]

I want to do the diode, but i dnt want to mess with my o2 sensor. And if i do, im scared ill mess it up

[RevLimitLaunch]

spark plug non-fouler, do it! works great, just did it on the msp and its still working fine after about 400 miles.

[Prison]

do u have two of them or one of them? (hand) I have one on and it still doesnt work!!!(stfu)

[Dmxn500]

i heard that u can safely boost the speed to 20 pounds on pump gas but im not sure. i want to get a boost controler but i dont know which, any suggestions? a manual one is fine