skyline t28 bb turbo upgrade

[RevLimitLaunch]

i can get an awesome deal on a skyline t28 bb turbocharger. just wondering how difficult anyone thinks it may be. the intake and exhaust sides are positioned perfectly, the compressor/ic outlet is positioned well. the exhaust side should bolt up with a custom flange made on the downpipe no problem. only problem i see so far is the inlet to the turbo where it has a flange on it, but that can be remedied very easily. and i know the t28 will bolt up perfect to the t25 flange. any feedback on fitment

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c107/AllWheelGrip1g/turbos.jpg

[txrxs]

build your motor now or cry later.

[RevLimitLaunch]

build your motor now or cry later.


uh yeah wow, after carefully reading my post (twice), i see that my question IN NO WAY!! involves whether or not it will blow my motor. thanks

[Spoolin4]

Are you asking if running twin turbo's will blow or just one of them? How would that turbo blow your motor? It's just like any other turbo.

[pluto316]

So you are replacing your BRAND NEW modern turbo for a turbo dinosaur with CERMAIC FINS that are known to snap off into your engine at totally random RPMs.

Good job, let me know how that works out for you. SKYLINE!! (yawn)

[Spoolin4]

So you are replacing your BRAND NEW modern turbo for a turbo dinosaur with CERMAIC FINS that are known to snap off into your engine at totally random RPMs.

Good job, let me know how that works out for you. SKYLINE!! (yawn)
good point. rebuild them if you want them bad enough. Or depending on how good the deal is, buy them and sell them for more to a local SR20 owner.

[RevLimitLaunch]

i can get it for $100 so i figured i'd say it was worth a shot. but i never heard anything about the ceramic fins snapping on these. got a link to any discussions on forums? a friend whose actually doing an rb26 drivetrain swap in his 240 is the one selling them, and he hasn't heard of many instances of this happening with these turboes.

[blazinrola80]

nither have i and these turbo also came on many of the gti-r swaps ive done on sentras..

[RevLimitLaunch]

the fins are forged steel and when is a ball bearing turbo a dinosaur!??? (assuming you mean dinosaur as in old)

[Spoolin4]

Are you getting both for a 100? If anything I would sell them. Where i'm from there's alot of stupid asses that if you mention anything about a skyline they are all over it wanting to buy it. So i'd find a dumbass and let them buy them.

[RevLimitLaunch]

im not asking whether or not i should sell it because i won't sell it, there'd be no point to it. it's a substantial upgrade to the 'awesome' t25 on the msp. i'm only lookin to see if anyone knows if the lines will fit for coolant and oil, since i know everything else is good to go for it.

[Spoolin4]

If the stock lines will not work then go get your braided lines and make it work.

[RevLimitLaunch]

ah true true, guess i never really thought of that haha. well then looks like an adventure i'll have to take.

[Spoolin4]

ah true true, guess i never really thought of that haha. well then looks like an adventure i'll have to take.
I hope it works out for you. Let me know and if all goes well let me know and i'll by the other one. thats if your getting both.

[RevLimitLaunch]

i might buy both just for the hell of it. im ordering dsm afc soon so until i get that im not gonna even think of what ill need to do for the upgrade. cars under a cover too for the time being tho (snowey conditions in nh haha). so hopefully i can get it done within the next couple weeks or so. when i do do it ill get a write up on it. probably fab up a fmic at the same time too.

[Spoolin4]

i might buy both just for the hell of it. im ordering dsm afc soon so until i get that im not gonna even think of what ill need to do for the upgrade. cars under a cover too for the time being tho (snowey conditions in nh haha). so hopefully i can get it done within the next couple weeks or so. when i do do it ill get a write up on it. probably fab up a fmic at the same time too.
If you buy both and you want to get rid of one let me know. seriously

[RevLimitLaunch]

if i can get both ill let you know. but as of right now he might have the other sold for far more money and i dont wanna compete lol.

[Matrix]

... but i never heard anything about the ceramic fins snapping on these. got a link to any discussions on forums? a friend whose actually doing an rb26 drivetrain swap in his 240 is the one selling them, and he hasn't heard of many instances of this happening with these turboes.

Howdy. I can only weigh in to the extent that I've read about this problem occurring in magazines. I've read a few articles where it was mentioned that reputable tuner shops usually replace the Skyline turbo units with ones that do not have ceramic impellers because the ceramic ones tend to explode.

Yeah, I know how it sounds ("I read in such-and-such magazine that..."), but I'm just saying that it's well-documented.

[Spoolin4]

if i can get both ill let you know. but as of right now he might have the other sold for far more money and i dont wanna compete lol.
Thats fine. Just hit me up with a PM.

[RevLimitLaunch]

Howdy. I can only weigh in to the extent that I've read about this problem occurring in magazines. I've read a few articles where it was mentioned that reputable tuner shops usually replace the Skyline turbo units with ones that do not have ceramic impellers because the ceramic ones tend to explode.

just to clarify i have found out on nicoclub.com (big nissan forum if no one knows) the exhaust wheel is ceramic, intake wheel is steel. the turboes are only good up to 14psi before they will shatter the wheel. ill be running 11 psi at most on this.

[Spoolin4]

just to clarify i have found out on nicoclub.com (big nissan forum if no one knows) the exhaust wheel is ceramic, intake wheel is steel. the turboes are only good up to 14psi before they will shatter the wheel. ill be running 11 psi at most on this.
Never mind then I'm going to need something that's more reliable at a higher boost level. I'll pass on the other one.

[pluto316]

Man I am awesome. :)

[RevLimitLaunch]

not really, you said the ceramic wheel would shatter and go into my engine...the intake wheel like i said is steel, the exhaust wheel is ceramic, therefore if it shatter i will shit it out my exhaust pipe and then have no boost.

AND they don't shatter randomly at just any rpm like you stated, they shatter after you overboost the turbo past 14-15psi. so your statements are completely wrong, that does not make you awesome.

[pluto316]

I didn't buy two old as fuck Skyline turbos, that makes me pretty smart.

[RevLimitLaunch]

I didn't buy two old as fuck Skyline turbos, that makes me pretty smart.

out of an r34 skylines rb26dett, that would mean they are no older than 99-00, and they are perfect. so how are these old as fuck!?? and being that its ball bearing and an upgrade for the car thats all that really matters. its ok that you're jealous :) but your ignorance can go to someone elses thread since you've been no help to mine with misinformation

[RevLimitLaunch]

I didn't buy two old as fuck Skyline turbos, that makes me pretty smart.

also i guess its not smart that a 2nd gen dsm'er switch out his turbo for the more apt and cost effective upgrade of a 1st gen 14b turbo right? you start with a car thats between 12 and 8 years old and switch out to a turbo thats between 17 and 13 years old and nobody comes up with no problems. i myself am included in this when i started out. what do you say then?? and the MANY MANY nissan enthusiast that swap out to diffferent turboes off different sr/rb configurations of all different years? not smart you say huh? your dumb (flame2)

[pluto316]

I know how to spell "you're" though.

[RevLimitLaunch]

that would be exactly what i had expected from an idiot that knows nothing, thank you for proving my point. and i'm glad i already got the right information or i'd be pissed that this thread would be closed from your ignorance.

[Spoolin4]

I think that you guy's spitting back and forth at each other was probably one of the high lights of this thread. Turbo's and asshole's my life in a nutshell

[RevLimitLaunch]

nothing would've been a problem if genius knew what he was talking about. either way when its in the making and complete ill get an install/how to together and post it elsewhere since this thread isn't gonna go anywhere else now...

[Spoolin4]

Damnit you got me laughin my ass off. Fuck it man. I'm interested in this thread. I really want to see the swap man I think that it's a great idea. If thats all you want out of the car is about 10 or 11 lbs then hell yeah man do it and get the boost flowing

[RevLimitLaunch]

lol i will be, hopefully sooner than later. i wanna get some other stuff at the same time, catless downpipe and a fmic setup im gonna rig up also so once that comes in along with the dsmafc ill be ordering very shortly. so within a month or so i want it to be done if the thread i still good and open lol ill post it up in here. ill have a dyno of before and after at the same boost levels as well.

[Spoolin4]

Are you doing like a custom mani? something like OBX styled mani? Does the Turbo have an internal wastegate?

[RevLimitLaunch]

yes its internal, ill probably stay that way too. i'd like to do the protege garage intake mani, if i don't i might set up an external gate, but ill prob stick with the intake mani instead. i wanna stay on a budget lol.

[Spoolin4]

I know what you mean. When i said mani i meant turbo, but now that were talking intake manifolds, what i would do is take your stock mani and take the center chamber ventury(butterfly) out and have it ported and polished on your own. Thats if your trying to stay on a budget.

[RevLimitLaunch]

never thought of that but it's probably what i'll do. thanks. i still doubt ill do external gate tho lol. we'll see how it all comes together. if sh*t happens and i wanna upgrade i can always pull everything off i guess.

[Spoolin4]

If for some reason this thread stops and is long gone by the time you get the turbo on the car please bump the thread. I really want to make sure i get the 411 on this. How far are you from VA if your on East coast after i get mine rebuilt maybe i could see it at a meet.

[Spoolin4]

never thought of that but it's probably what i'll do. thanks. i still doubt ill do external gate tho lol. we'll see how it all comes together. if sh*t happens and i wanna upgrade i can always pull everything off i guess.
Do you know what i mean by the center ventury? If you take the intake manifold off the car and unbolt it you'll see the top half of the chamber that opens into the head ports. Leave that one but just slide the center one out and then have it ported and polished. The aftermarket one's come with a single chamber instead of dual so i'm guessing that it would pretty much be the same.

[pluto316]

So, dipshit, have you compared the compressor maps yet? (gossip)


I am going some place with this, but I'll see if you figure it out on your own.

[Spoolin4]

So, dipshit, have you compared the compressor maps yet? (gossip)


I am going some place with this, but I'll see if you figure it out on your own.
Ok Mr. Mazda Tech. no i haven't compared the maps, sorry i'm not a mazda guru but since you "know you shit" and you have some sort of confidence that your car is quick. Run my hatchback i'll be in FL in june for the summer. We will see who's questioning who then.

[Spoolin4]

To be completely honest I don't even know why i fuck with a mazda. It will never make the power honda, nissan, or mitsu will ever make. I guess i just like the look of the MSP and this forum other then that...it's a really good question.

[txrxs]

ok fucktards, pluto knows his shit, but thats neither her nor there. It's not about having a fast car, bragging rights are for wacking yourself off, it's not about being anything. It's just simple logic, do whatever the fuck you want with your car.

All I was saying from the start is this:
Is your current turbo maxed out?
Have you done pretty much every "bolt on"?
Do you have engine management?
Did you know these motors throw rods at stock boost?

Honestly, unless you've exhausted every option and you're on the stock block there is no reason to "upgrade" the turbo. Ask anyone whose been here for a while. The FSDE is a throw away motor, I loved my msp but that's the truth, build it or blow it, simple as that.

[Spoolin4]

Good for him. he can know all the mazda shit he wants to but now it's turning into car vs car. Any mazda FWD will never i repeat never out run a honda! I'm not talking about stock either, but even stock most the time honda would win. RSX type S vs MSP, or RSX vs ES. Both are 2.0's and the MSP is turbo thats pretty sad.

[pluto316]

Ok Mr. Mazda Tech. no i haven't compared the maps, sorry i'm not a mazda guru but since you "know you shit" and you have some sort of confidence that your car is quick. Run my hatchback i'll be in FL in june for the summer. We will see who's questioning who then.

I have a bone stock MSP and a weight reduction Miata. I am sure your car is the fastest down a quarter mile. Oh boy. 16 second quarters for everyone!

In the meantime learn about compressor efficiency, then get a compressor map for the skyline T28s and look at their 15psi sweet spot. After that take a look at your crank though the hole in your block when you ran 15psi on a FS-DE on stock rods. If you need me I'll be cutting more dead weight off my Miata.

[Spoolin4]

I have a bone stock MSP and a weight reduction Miata. I am sure your car is the fastest down a quarter mile. Oh boy. 16 second quarters for everyone!

In the meantime learn about compressor efficiency, then get a compressor map for the skyline T28s and look at their 15psi sweet spot. After that take a look at your crank though the hole in your block when you ran 15psi on a FS-DE on stock rods. If you need me I'll be cutting more dead weight off my Miata.
If you would fucking read we were talking about the intake manifold Captian Obvious. Anytime your going to run more then 8 to 10 pounds forge the bottom end. It's not rocket science. And I don't run quaters. Drag racing is for pussies. Street and Mountain racing is all i do and the occasional interstate out run. My integra ran a 10.1 on street tires asshole(i have drag raced before i just don't like it) so all you mazda boys that are proud to run 13's you got another thing coming.

[Spoolin4]

I have a bone stock MSP and a weight reduction Miata. I am sure your car is the fastest down a quarter mile. Oh boy. 16 second quarters for everyone!

In the meantime learn about compressor efficiency, then get a compressor map for the skyline T28s and look at their 15psi sweet spot. After that take a look at your crank though the hole in your block when you ran 15psi on a FS-DE on stock rods. If you need me I'll be cutting more dead weight off my Miata.
One more thing. Thats probably a good idea to shave that weight, because I'm sure that miata would need ever pray that you could pray to run with this car.

[UnNaturalinc]

If you have to ask... you can't do it.


It's nothing but a waste to put a bigger turbo on a stock MSP motor. A WASTE

[Spoolin4]

If you have to ask... you can't do it.


It's nothing but a waste to put a bigger turbo on a stock MSP motor. A WASTE
you see how easy it was to reply with that. why did it take that long to do that? pluto watch your ass we have a new MSP guru here.

[Familia323]

(headshake to this thread

[pluto316]

One more thing. Thats probably a good idea to shave that weight, because I'm sure that miata would need ever pray that you could pray to run with this car.


(headshake

[RevLimitLaunch]

to answer your question yes i got the compressor map last night from a guy on the nissan forum and i do realize that the boost i plan to run on it isn't going to maximize what i could get out of the turbo. if the motor blows, i can put the stock parts back on it and hope the warranty covers it, if not i know blocks are cheap everywhere. the msp is really just a protege with a turbo kit, but as you pointed out about its olympic rod throwing capability you already know this. i don't believe however that i need to max everything out in my car before putting on a different sized turbo. im not looking to spend tons of money on this car to get 'mad power' out of it. i just saw this turbo up for sale, knew it would bolt on and so i figured why not make a weekend project out of it? strap it on, tune and see what happens on the dyno. i don't plan on jumping up and down with an extra 50+ horsepower from it. probably won't make more than 20 but i'd like to see how the dyno chart comes out. i don't care if anyone thinks its dumb or a waste of time. just something i can and will do for the hell of it. its like trying to tell a ricer his 2 foot tall double decker wing on his honduh does nothing for his stock fwd car. its all about preference i guess in the end.

[crashkelly]

If you have to ask... you can't do it.


It's nothing but a waste to put a bigger turbo on a stock MSP motor. A WASTE


Unless you are fan of turbo lag!