Introducing Custom Performance Engineering's SPEED3 catback exhaust system!

[www.cp-e.com]

Custom Performance Engineering is very pleased to announce the release of our MazdaSPEED3 catback exhaust system! This unit represents CPE’s total commitment to quality, it is the first unit completely designed, developed and produced in-house on CPE’s brand new state of the art CNC mandrel bender.

www.cp-e.com

Below are some pictures of the catback:

http://www.cp-e.com/imgs/MSP3CATBACK_Pic_01.jpg

http://www.cp-e.com/imgs/MSP3CATBACK_Pic_03.JPG

http://www.cp-e.com/imgs/MSP3CATBACK_Pic_04.JPG

http://www.cp-e.com/imgs/MSP3CATBACK_Pic_06.JPG

The muffler we chose was designed specifically for our purposes, and we paid special attention to the volume and tonal quality of the units. We wanted something that was deep and mellow, but it had to sound aggressive when under throttle. We think we found a winner, and we believe everyone will be pleased with the new cp-e sound!

The exhaust tip was chosen by our enthusiasts in a recent messageboard poll. It was agreed upon by a great majority of the users, and we think the end result is quite classy without being too gaudy. The smaller inside diameter is about 3" and the larger inside diameter is 4".

We also paid special attention to the small details people appreciate. We used stock-style stamped steel exhaust hangers, instead of using bent steel rods. This helps to keep the exhaust centered within the rubber hanger on the car. We also TIG weld many critical areas of the exhaust system. TIG welds are usually avoided in this industry because they require more time and skill than a MIG weld, despite the fact that TIG welds are better suited for thin metals, are better looking, and create a more durable bond. The catback kit also comes with everything you'll need for a complete and professional installation.

And I'm sure most of you are interested in how it all sounds. So here are some sound clips!

Startup (http://www.cp-e.com/imgs/MazdaSPEED3_Cat_Back_Sound_Start_Up.MPG)

Drive away:

Drive away (http://www.cp-e.com/imgs/MazdaSPEED3_Cat_Back_Sound_Drive_Away.MPG)

Drive by:

Drive by (http://www.cp-e.com/imgs/MazdaSPEED3_Cat_Back_Sound_Drive_By.MPG) <--- My favorite (rockon)


The best part is when the catback is paired with our upcoming downpipe, one can expect on the order of 30hp and 40lbft of torque to the wheels!

http://www.cp-e.com/imgs/MazdaSPEED3_Cat_Back_Horsepower.jpg

http://www.cp-e.com/imgs/MSP3CATBACK_Torque.jpg


The catback exhaust system retails for $685, and can be paired with or without a downpipe! Our downpipe should be available and on our website in the next few days. If you have any questions about our company or our new exhaust system fire away!

www.cp-e.com


Jordan

[mafanchai]

Is the dyno number with the downpipe or just the cat back? If purchase together with the downpipe...(direct) Discount ?(enguard)


love the sound(first)

[Mspeed3]

Sounds great not too loud which is nice I'd also be interested in a downpipe exhuast combo

[jmv]

wow, impressive gains for the car, i'm jealous. Pricey though. But hey it looks and sounds really good!!

[www.cp-e.com]

Is the dyno number with the downpipe or just the cat back? If purchase together with the downpipe...(direct) Discount ?(enguard)


love the sound(first)


Thanks boss!! (mj)


To be clear, the dyno grahps posted reflect the gains one can expect from our turboback exhaust. The price of the downpipe is still being finalized, so I'm not sure if there is going to be a discount for buying the downpipe and catback together. We should have that information for everyone in the next few days.


Jordan

[justa4banger]

ANy droning effect inside the car at 70-85mph on the freeway? Seriously my last exhaust on my GTI drove me nuts.

I'm also curious what other mods were on the dyno car.

[MadOzodi]

(rockon) Sounds great! Nice and throaty...not ricey at all.

[www.cp-e.com]

Sounds great not too loud which is nice I'd also be interested in a downpipe exhuast combo



wow, impressive gains for the car, i'm jealous. Pricey though. But hey it looks and sounds really good!!



ANy droning effect inside the car at 70-85mph on the freeway? Seriously my last exhaust on my GTI drove me nuts.

I'm also curious what other mods were on the dyno car.



(rockon) Sounds great! Nice and throaty...not ricey at all.


Thanks for all the compliments guys, I'm sure the guys at the shop will really appreciate your feedback.

The droning is tricky to answer because I'd argue that the stock exhaust drones to some degree. Does it drone to the point where you're going to pull your hair out? No, not even close. At cruising speed, or where you'd normally encounter drone, the exhaust sounds pretty close to stock. Try to see if you can even hear the car idling in the first movie clip. So, I guess to answer your question, it won't be anything like your GTI :D

The car we dyno'd is our shop car. The before graph was in stock configuration, and the after graph is with our turboback installed.


Jordan

[justa4banger]

Well the droning i'm used to would give any normal person a headache in 5 min or less on the freeway. MAn it sounded so awesome outside the car though.

I guess my true question is this, Will the wife know i changed the exhaust? Will she then proceed to kick my ass if she does notice it ?lol

Sounds good to me and looks like a nice setup.
I'll wait on DP pricing and then decide. Of course i also have to ask my service manager if he'll let me get away witha NON mazda speed part. lol

[www.cp-e.com]

Well the droning i'm used to would give any normal person a headache in 5 min or less on the freeway. MAn it sounded so awesome outside the car though.

I guess my true question is this, Will the wife know i changed the exhaust? Will she then proceed to kick my ass if she does notice it ?lol

Sounds good to me and looks like a nice setup.
I'll wait on DP pricing and then decide. Of course i also have to ask my service manager if he'll let me get away witha NON mazda speed part. lol


Hah, so you're going to put that on me?! And I bet that GTI did sound nice uncorked, but something tells me your wife wasn't too happy about it (lol2)

But seriously, the exhaust is louder than stock, but we wouldn't label it as loud. The exhaust we make for the SPEED6 is pretty loud, this one is much more moderate and is well suited for a daily driver. You can tell something's up when you get on it though.


Jordan

[justa4banger]

I swear in the first vid you hear just a hint of turbo whine through the exhaust............ Gotta love it.

[dread]

Do you have any sound clips of just the cat back.

[www.cp-e.com]

Do you have any sound clips of just the cat back.


We're really sorry about all the confusion on our website. We're trying to fix a couple of errors that will make the sound clip and dyno configurations clearer. The sound clips are of just the catback, and the dynos are of the turboback.


Jordan

[dread]

so is it safe to assume that the turboback is a lot louder than the sound clip.

[Boother]

How about a picture of what the tip looks like from the back and side of the car?

[www.cp-e.com]

so is it safe to assume that the turboback is a lot louder than the sound clip.


No, actually the difference in sound isn't that dramatic. It's hard to explain a sound over the internet, but the increase in volume with the full turboback is marginal.



How about a picture of what the tip looks like from the back and side of the car?


Coming right up. I'll see if I can dig one up for you... (burnout)


Jordan

[tsunami]

wow nice product and sound... just wish i had a speed 3 to put it on... :(

[dread]

the sound on the catback reminds me of the infinity g35 coupe.

[www.cp-e.com]

So I think I understand what kind of picture you're requesting Boother. You want something from the rear of the car so you can see how the tip looks with the car on the ground. The problem is that we took the pictures of the exhaust when the car was on the lift (big mistake) and the pictures are admittedly pretty crappy. But I'll post the pictures we have and when we get a nice day outside we'll take some better pictures for everyone.

http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/535/644/145336.jpg

http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/535/644/145335.jpg

That's the best we can do for now, but I promise we'll get some better pics of the tip as soon as we get a spare moment.


Jordan

[flyrevs]

Hey I just noticed the frame on the plate - Park Mazda of Wooster !!! Cool, I live about 20 min from there. Where is CP-E located? Is the MS3 in the CP-E shop ?

[www.cp-e.com]

Hey I just noticed the frame on the plate - Park Mazda of Wooster !!! Cool, I live about 20 min from there. Where is CP-E located? Is the MS3 in the CP-E shop ?


We're actually in Beltsville, Maryland. We just bought the car from the fine folks at Park Mazda ;)


Jordan

[redrims]

We're actually in Beltsville, Maryland. We just bought the car from the fine folks at Park Mazda ;)


Jordan

Whaaat??? Where about in Beltsville? I didn't know you guys were so close. I might have to swing by.

[www.cp-e.com]

Whaaat??? Where about in Beltsville? I didn't know you guys were so close. I might have to swing by.


(headbang)

You, or anyone else in the area is more than welcome to stop by the shop. We love showing off our toys, and we love picking our customers brains. How better to do that than a little one-on-one! All we ask is that you give us a heads up so we can be sure someone is here that can show you around. Give Josh Adams a call at 301-576-6142 if you ever decide that you want to stop by.

Actually, I see you're from College Park. Two of the three owners of cp-e went to the University of Maryland :D


Jordan

[redrims]

Ummm.... Can I use my ID card to get a discount...like at the movie theatre...lol

[h0rde]

<-- is currently working on his MA at UMD.

[dpeat]

Custom Performance Engineering is very pleased to announce the release of our MazdaSPEED3 catback exhaust system! This unit represents CPE’s total commitment to quality, it is the first unit completely designed, developed and produced in-house on CPE’s brand new state of the art CNC mandrel bender.

www.cp-e.com

Below are some pictures of the catback:

http://www.cp-e.com/imgs/MSP3CATBACK_Pic_01.jpg

http://www.cp-e.com/imgs/MSP3CATBACK_Pic_03.JPG

http://www.cp-e.com/imgs/MSP3CATBACK_Pic_04.JPG

http://www.cp-e.com/imgs/MSP3CATBACK_Pic_06.JPG

The muffler we chose was designed specifically for our purposes, and we paid special attention to the volume and tonal quality of the units. We wanted something that was deep and mellow, but it had to sound aggressive when under throttle. We think we found a winner, and we believe everyone will be pleased with the new cp-e sound!

The exhaust tip was chosen by our enthusiasts in a recent messageboard poll. It was agreed upon by a great majority of the users, and we think the end result is quite classy without being too gaudy. The smaller inside diameter is about 3" and the larger inside diameter is 4".

We also paid special attention to the small details people appreciate. We used stock-style stamped steel exhaust hangers, instead of using bent steel rods. This helps to keep the exhaust centered within the rubber hanger on the car. We also TIG weld many critical areas of the exhaust system. TIG welds are usually avoided in this industry because they require more time and skill than a MIG weld, despite the fact that TIG welds are better suited for thin metals, are better looking, and create a more durable bond. The catback kit also comes with everything you'll need for a complete and professional installation.

And I'm sure most of you are interested in how it all sounds. So here are some sound clips!

Startup (http://www.cp-e.com/imgs/MazdaSPEED3_Cat_Back_Sound_Start_Up.MPG)

Drive away:

Drive away (http://www.cp-e.com/imgs/MazdaSPEED3_Cat_Back_Sound_Drive_Away.MPG)

Drive by:

Drive by (http://www.cp-e.com/imgs/MazdaSPEED3_Cat_Back_Sound_Drive_By.MPG) <--- My favorite (rockon)


The best part is when the catback is paired with our upcoming downpipe, one can expect on the order of 30hp and 40lbft of torque to the wheels!

http://www.cp-e.com/imgs/MazdaSPEED3_Cat_Back_Horsepower.jpg

http://www.cp-e.com/imgs/MSP3CATBACK_Torque.jpg


The catback exhaust system retails for $685, and can be paired with or without a downpipe! Our downpipe should be available and on our website in the next few days. If you have any questions about our company or our new exhaust system fire away!

www.cp-e.com


Jordan
STIs be aware!

[flyrevs]

Nice gains man. Question, are the dyno charts with just the cat back or the catback AND downpipe ? Do you have dyno charts of just the catback?
How much can one expect with the catback only and no ohter mods?

One more question, do you know the gains with the CAI and the catback combined?

Thanks for all the great products you guys are coming out with - AWSOME!

[dcomiskey]

wow, impressive gains for the car, i'm jealous. Pricey though. But hey it looks and sounds really good!!

I disagree. Coming from the VW world, this cat back is a pretty good deal. VW cat backs cost upwards of $800 or more. Not sure I dig the sound, though. Eh, I'm not going to be able to buy this anyway. The stock exhaust is droney enough as it is. I don't want anymore.(boobs)

[www.cp-e.com]

Ummm.... Can I use my ID card to get a discount...like at the movie theatre...lol


Hah! I've never been asked that one before (lol2)



Nice gains man. Question, are the dyno charts with just the cat back or the catback AND downpipe ? Do you have dyno charts of just the catback?
How much can one expect with the catback only and no ohter mods?

One more question, do you know the gains with the CAI and the catback combined?

Thanks for all the great products you guys are coming out with - AWSOME!


Thanks a lot!! (drinks)

The dyno graph we posted reflects the gains from the full turboback. We were planning on selling the turboback as a unit, but we later decided to break the kit up so our customers can buy just the catback of just the downpipe. We actually dyno'd the turboback a couple months ago!

We'd have a flippin field day (read: it'd be a whole lot of fun) dynoing every conceivable configuration we could come up with, but we unfortunately don't have a 4WD dyno in our facility. So anytime we dyno a car, we have to drop our manufacturing duties for a day (that costs us big money), AND pay someone to use their dyno. This all costs us a lot of money, so we only dyno our products once to show their effectiveness, and then the end user can dyno the various combinations if they wish. We just want to show that the product we offer works the way we say it does, that's why we include dyno's (or some form of validation) for all of our products.

But to answer your question, I would imagine that the catback adds on the order of about 10hp, but that's purely speculation, and is based off of how much power we made on the SPEED6:

http://www.cp-e.com/imgs/speed6_catback_hp_large.jpg



I disagree. Coming from the VW world, this cat back is a pretty good deal. VW cat backs cost upwards of $800 or more. Not sure I dig the sound, though. Eh, I'm not going to be able to buy this anyway. The stock exhaust is droney enough as it is. I don't want anymore.(boobs)


That's for helping to justify the price. We feel this kit is pretty conservatively priced considering the hardware we're using, so I appreciate your input.

This may or may not affect you, but it was just brought to my attention that we're offering a resonator option to eliminate the drone associated with this car. We don't have sound clips yet, but if you hate drone this is probably THE combination to get. The resonator option is an extra $90.

http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/535/644/145577.jpg


Jordan

[justa4banger]

AHH HA so theres is droning effect. :D How am i supposed to hide the exhaust from the wife if it drones alot. I like the resonator option though.
Man time to save up money.

[nondual]

All these mods are great, but with all the problems I've had, I'm not getting anything modded until the thing's out of warranty. You know, just in case the engine falls out of the car again and they try to blame it on a catback or downpipe.

[BSTD3]

Man my 3 is on boat from Japan and awaiting its arrival and I'm already bitten by the "mod" bug. :) I wanna get the Xede engine management system, CAI, and this catback exhaust.

Does anyone know if this catback throws CEL's?

[www.cp-e.com]

Man my 3 is on boat from Japan and awaiting its arrival and I'm already bitten by the "mod" bug. :) I wanna get the Xede engine management system, CAI, and this catback exhaust.

Does anyone know if this catback throws CEL's?


Nope, I can guarantee right now that it won't set any check engine lights. For one, all the cats stay intact, and two, we've been running the system for several weeks now without any problems at all :)


Jordan

[gcris]

wow...props to cp-e...im sure i will be purchasing in the future. sounds great!

[speed3_813]

Well I went to CP-E web site today for the first time. I am impressed with thier products. For about $2200 you can get CAI, Exhaust, Downpipe w/ cat, and BOV kit. With close to 300hp and over 300tq to me that is not bad. But that is only matter of opinion. This will be the setup I get when I save a few more dollars. Good job on the products!!!(thumb)

[II-Savy]

So wait.....the new system DOES drone without this 90 dollar resinator?

[justa4banger]

So wait.....the new system DOES drone without this 90 dollar resinator?


I'm sure thats a matter of opinion. Droning to you maybe be delightful to me. Need to test drive car with the kit to really know. or buy the kit and order the resonator if its too loud for your liking.

[II-Savy]

I'm sure thats a matter of opinion. Droning to you maybe be delightful to me. Need to test drive car with the kit to really know. or buy the kit and order the resonator if its too loud for your liking.

True but if they made a piece to add on JUST because of drone....chances are the system does it....no?

[www.cp-e.com]

First of all, thanks for the props guys. We're working really hard to deliver the products you all want, and we're plased to hear that you're pelased with our offerings.


True but if they made a piece to add on JUST because of drone....chances are the system does it....no?


I think you're reading way too much into my posts. We're not trying to swindle anyone, and everything I'm telling you is entirely factual.

Please understand that exhaust tone isn't an exact science. I mean, how on earth does one explain how something sounds over the internet? To get a better understanding of how this system sounds, you either need to hear it in person, or wait for more online reviews. We do the best we can to help you understand how the system sounds with videos and sound clips, but there's only so much we can do.

If you have a SPEED3, you'll notice the STOCK SYSTEM drones to some degree on the highway. Our catback is no different, and unless you put on huge can style mufflers which will stifle your performance, you're not going to eliminate ALL the drone in this car. Now, some people are more sensitive to drone than others are. That's why we're offering an extra resonator option; for people who want to eliminate as much drone as possible without killing the performance benefits of our catback.

This is not a boomy, done laden exhaust system. This is a highly engineered, high quality exhaust system that we consider quiet in comparison to our SPEED6 exhaust. We spent a long time researching and selecting the muffler we use on this system, and I think once you hear it in person our extra effort will come across in the sound and appearance of the system.


Jordan

[dread]

thats odd that it is quieter than the speed6 exhaust, since the speed6 barely has an exhaust note at all in stock form. I agree you will never get all the drone out of this car, I don't even notice it really. The sound clips I have heard of your catback remind me of a g35 coupe and it doesn't get much better than that. I feel like the stock exhaust sounds awesome below 3500 rpms and then it disappears above that, from what I can tell the cpe exhaust sounds like a race car throughout the entire rpm band

[www.cp-e.com]

thats odd that it is quieter than the speed6 exhaust, since the speed6 barely has an exhaust note at all in stock form. I agree you will never get all the drone out of this car, I don't even notice it really. The sound clips I have heard of your catback remind me of a g35 coupe and it doesn't get much better than that. I feel like the stock exhaust sounds awesome below 3500 rpms and then it disappears above that, from what I can tell the cpe exhaust sounds like a race car throughout the entire rpm band



This is a highly engineered, high quality exhaust system that we consider quiet in comparison to our SPEED6 exhaust.


I probably should have worded my statement differently, but I was trying to compare our cp-e SPEED3 catback exhaust to our cp-e SPEED6 catback exhaust. The point I was trying to make was that our SPEED3 catback is much quieter than our SPEED6 catback. But the stock SPEED6 catback is very quiet, which is part of the reason why we were able top pick up so much horsepower with our cp-e catback.

Your description of the exhaust volume and tone is darn accurate, and I'm glad you could hear that through the sound clip. I'm sure people will be satisfied with our products, but I'm just hoping that we can get more unbiased opinions on board once we get more catbacks out there!


Jordan

[MadOzodi]

IMO, everyone's tolerance to drone is different. I've read some posts from people that say the stock MS3 exhaust drones too much for them. I can respect that and can see why they wouldn't want to pay hard earned $$$ for an exhaust of which they will not like/enjoy the sound.

Unfortunately, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Race cars are ear drum splitting loud for a reason. If you get the chance, go to the US F1 Grand Prix and listen to the race without any ear protection for 1 full minute. If you can stand it, well you've just lost a good percentage of your hearing. V8s revving at 19k rpms with open exhaust is loud on a scale of biblical proportion (it was better when they used V10s).

When considering an aftermarket exhaust, you have to be willing to compromise. As of now, there aren't too many options we MS3 owners have...that's the nature of the business when new cars come out.

On my Mustang, I chose to go with a Magnaflow catted X-pipe with a Borla straight through exhaust. I firmly believe that using that car as a daily driver for 5+ years has made me lose a good % of my hearing. Add to that the 500 watt aftermarket stereo and my GOD the MS3 is an eardrum GODSEND!

What I've heard from the CP-E clips of their catback exhaust really impressed me. There isn't that ricey coffee fart can noise at all.

Good things come to those who wait. I know I want instant gratification with mods and I want everything now, but my experience with modding my Mustang has forced me to be as rational and patient as I can; I certainly have regrets with some of the mods. The aftermarket for the MS3 has only just started...we got TONS to look forward to.

(rockon)

Holy crap, sorry for the epic novel! :o

[www.cp-e.com]

IMO, everyone's tolerance to drone is different. I've read some posts from people that say the stock MS3 exhaust drones too much for them. I can respect that and can see why they wouldn't want to pay hard earned $$$ for an exhaust of which they will not like/enjoy the sound.

Unfortunately, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Race cars are ear drum splitting loud for a reason. If you get the chance, go to the US F1 Grand Prix and listen to the race without any ear protection for 1 full minute. If you can stand it, well you've just lost a good percentage of your hearing. V8s revving at 19k rpms with open exhaust is loud on a scale of biblical proportion (it was better when they used V10s).

When considering an aftermarket exhaust, you have to be willing to compromise. As of now, there aren't too many options we MS3 owners have...that's the nature of the business when new cars come out.

On my Mustang, I chose to go with a Magnaflow catted X-pipe with a Borla straight through exhaust. I firmly believe that using that car as a daily driver for 5+ years has made me lose a good % of my hearing. Add to that the 500 watt aftermarket stereo and my GOD the MS3 is an eardrum GODSEND!

What I've heard from the CP-E clips of their catback exhaust really impressed me. There isn't that ricey coffee fart can noise at all.

Good things come to those who wait. I know I want instant gratification with mods and I want everything now, but my experience with modding my Mustang has forced me to be as rational and patient as I can; I certainly have regrets with some of the mods. The aftermarket for the MS3 has only just started...we got TONS to look forward to.

(rockon)

Holy crap, sorry for the epic novel! :o


Epic novel maybe, but good points worth mentioning (yes)


Jordan

[Drake13]

Could you provide us a sound clip from within the car so we know what kind of cabin noise this bad boy makes??

[zoom-zoomhatch]

Could you provide us a sound clip from within the car so we know what kind of cabin noise this bad boy makes??
+1, don't want to go back to my specV interior noise where if someone was talking about something I didn't want to hear about all I had to do was downshift.(bicker) (drive)

[www.cp-e.com]

Could you provide us a sound clip from within the car so we know what kind of cabin noise this bad boy makes??


We don't have a car in the shop with our exhaust installed at the moment, but the next time we have one here I'll be sure to grab a video for you guys (cool)


Jordan

[knowledge007]

First of all, thanks for the props guys. We're working really hard to deliver the products you all want, and we're plased to hear that you're pelased with our offerings.




I think you're reading way too much into my posts. We're not trying to swindle anyone, and everything I'm telling you is entirely factual.

Please understand that exhaust tone isn't an exact science. I mean, how on earth does one explain how something sounds over the internet? To get a better understanding of how this system sounds, you either need to hear it in person, or wait for more online reviews. We do the best we can to help you understand how the system sounds with videos and sound clips, but there's only so much we can do.

If you have a SPEED3, you'll notice the STOCK SYSTEM drones to some degree on the highway. Our catback is no different, and unless you put on huge can style mufflers which will stifle your performance, you're not going to eliminate ALL the drone in this car. Now, some people are more sensitive to drone than others are. That's why we're offering an extra resonator option; for people who want to eliminate as much drone as possible without killing the performance benefits of our catback.

This is not a boomy, done laden exhaust system. This is a highly engineered, high quality exhaust system that we consider quiet in comparison to our SPEED6 exhaust. We spent a long time researching and selecting the muffler we use on this system, and I think once you hear it in person our extra effort will come across in the sound and appearance of the system.


Jordan

I wish I could supply sound clips and opinions, but I am still waiting for my turbo back with cat to be shipped.

[Equinox]

digging up an old thread for fun. Catback exhaust has shipped and is on its way, expected date is Friday. If you haven't checked out their site, I suggest doing it, great products.