First 300 whp MS6

[MUSOM]

I call her the "white bull" and she's gonna be screaming in a few weeks. With an all-CPE moded ride, I believe I may be the first to reach the previous un-tapped 300 whp mark. Maybe there are others that have hit 300 whp, but I have negleted to see a dyno result.

ALL CPE - CAI, DOWNPIPE, CATBACK EXHAUST, and will be adding FMIC and engine management whenever they are released. Right after installation I plan to dyno and fine-tune my maps. I'm thinking in the range of 290-310 whp. Any takers or ney-sayers out there? Comments? Tips? I'm sure everyone will be anxious to see my dyno results. I'll post them, along with some vid's as soon as I can. WHO WANTS SOME?(rockon)

[smo0f]

All show and no go until there's a dyno. You said it yourself

[JOS3]

I call her the "white bull" and she's gonna be screaming in a few weeks. With an all-CPE moded ride, I believe I may be the first to reach the previous un-tapped 300 whp mark. Maybe there are others that have hit 300 whp, but I have negleted to see a dyno result.

ALL CPE - CAI, DOWNPIPE, CATBACK EXHAUST, and will be adding FMIC and engine management whenever they are released. Right after installation I plan to dyno and fine-tune my maps. I'm thinking in the range of 290-310 whp. Any takers or ney-sayers out there? Comments? Tips? I'm sure everyone will be anxious to see my dyno results. I'll post them, along with some vid's as soon as I can. WHO WANTS SOME?(rockon)

any idea how long it will take to get those parts? why start a thread about something you dont have. thats like saying im going to build my car into a sub 10 sec. mazda3 when the funds become available. those kind of funds would NEVER, EVER be available.

[MUSOM]

any idea how long it will take to get those parts? why start a thread about something you dont have. thats like saying im going to build my car into a sub 10 sec. mazda3 when the funds become available. those kind of funds would NEVER, EVER be available.



I phoned my friends at CPE the other night and they gave a rough estimate of 3 weeks. I'm thinking anywhere from 2-4 weeks. I'm basing this completely on input from CPE. O son....the funds are there thanks to uncle sam! (thumb)

[Velocifero]

Why not just team up with ATP and go somewhere better like 400whp? They make quality turbo upgrades for your car.

[Speed6 Guy]

Why not just team up with ATP and go somewhere better like 400whp? They make quality turbo upgrades for your car.


Why is 400 whp better? You could pull that much power but at what cost to the motor (witch is not cheap) and drive train (see previous).

Also this 300 whp mark is not that cool. A good driver can make that up on the strip and the track. So if you feel the need to get 300 then go get it but don’t sit and make it a big deal.

[smo0f]

btw i didnt mean to sound like a dick. just so that we get that out of the way. i'd still like to see dynos, not as proof, but as an accomplishment

[Velocifero]

Why is 400 whp better? You could pull that much power but at what cost to the motor (witch is not cheap) and drive train (see previous).

Also this 300 whp mark is not that cool. A good driver can make that up on the strip and the track. So if you feel the need to get 300 then go get it but don’t sit and make it a big deal.
I didn't mean it like 400 is better, just kinda like why is 300 I huge benchmark? I have a feeling there are probably more than a handful of 6s running over 300. I don't even think we have the largest community of MS6, so we don't hear about the guys that are going further. Don't take this as negativity, alot like smoof I want to see him succeed, but 300 just doesn't really seem like a huge step up when you can go to a hypothetical 400-600 just by a turbo upgrade (and supporting mods of course). Trust me I know the value of the motor and tranny, I drive a msp, much weaker motor. And not to go grammar nazi on you but it should be which, not witch. Although I don't think witches are cheap either.

[4DRHTRD]

I should be posting my 350 WHP dyno March 3rd. I could run down and get one on Monday if you like for around 310 WHP...
:)
BTW ATP posted their 310 WHP dyno months ago, it's on their site.

[Kooldino]

This thread title needs a question mark at the end of it.

lol @ Smo0f irony. :-P

[smo0f]

This thread title needs a question mark at the end of it.

lol @ Smo0f irony. :-P

i learn quick

[boostdprotegelx]

i could see a good benchmark at like....500 or so..wtf do they come w/ stock?? cuz they're already poundin out power aren't they?

[Velocifero]

Thats what I am saying, 300 isn't that high for bragging rights, its nice and all but kinda like saying Woo Hoo I got 200whp in my MSP!

[DSMConvert]

eh I think its a decent number to shoot for bolt-ons and the stock turbo(I don't consider turbo upgrades bolt-ons, nothing against it just falls in another category for me). So I look forward to seeing the dyno results. From what I've seen he would be one of the first to hit 300whp with the stock turbo.

[CitizenPro]

I call Bullshit till i see a Dyno & Vid (ugh)

[Velocifero]

eh I think its a decent number to shoot for bolt-ons and the stock turbo(I don't consider turbo upgrades bolt-ons, nothing against it just falls in another category for me). So I look forward to seeing the dyno results. From what I've seen he would be one of the first to hit 300whp with the stock turbo.
I don't nec consider a turbo upgrade a bolt on, but more of one than fine tunable engine management.

[4DRHTRD]

Well if you ask the guys doing downpipes about doing it compared to the turbo (about 12 more bolts...) you'll find the ATP turbo kit is very bolt on. I could do it in under 5 hours now, about 1.5 hours longer than the downpipe install.
:)

[jcgemt2003]

I should also be in the over 300whp soon....I just ordered my XEDE system and Ken himself will be doing my install.....We are going to get some dyno time and real time tuning in hopefully soon.

[MUSOM]

Well It's good to know that I'm not the only one wanting 300whp. To be honest, I'm sure a 400 whp car would be great. But at what point does it end? Will you want to change out pistons and then maybe work on injectors? It's like people that work out all 5 times a week. You become obsessed with it, soon enough they are wanting to take steriods, and then greater amounts of steroids, then soon enough there in intensive care with liver failure. I will be perfectly content with 300whp, which to answer your question, is about 80 more than stock. The stock dyno's show an average of 218-224 stock whp (i know, i know it does seem low, but then again look at the torque). So that's about a 35% increase in whp from stock. And after this install, there will be no STOCK 4-bangers on the track that will pull away from me. That makes me a happy person.

Also....doesn't it make more sense to do a FMIC install before a turbo upgrade? Considering this FMIC will make 2-3 more psi (by decreased pressure drop) on my stock turbo and it will do the same if I ever do a turbo upgrade. If you want to count apples and oranges, I believe I'm doing things the right way. But then again, my opinion is what it is. (stooges)

[MUSOM]

I should also say that my car is an everyday driver, and if I do consider throwing a turbo upgrade on, I want reinforcment of my ass end. I want to make sure I'm not throwing rods at the track. I'm afraid that 400 whp would be a dangerous benchmark. How well would the chasis hold up? Would I have to replace my injectors? Compression ratio, pistons? It would scare me because of the unknown of doing serious, permanent damage to my girl. She's sensitive you know!(kissass)

[MS6mike]

I have CPE DP CPE CAI and i order the CPE FMIC as well as the rest of the full exhaust, And i will get the CPE EMS as soon as i can do a pre order. well i don't know what HP i will but i run 13.7 so hopefully i will be the first SPEED 6 to breake the 12s.

[MUSOM]

I have CPE DP CPE CAI and i order the CPE FMIC as well as the rest of the full exhaust, And i will get the CPE EMS as soon as i can do a pre order. well i don't know what HP i will but i run 13.7 so hopefully i will be the first SPEED 6 to breake the 12s.

That's pushing it I think. Those are the exact mods that I will have also. However, to get into the 12's (according to other threads and posts) I think you may have to have a turbo upgrade or something. However,if you've already ran a 13.7 with only the dp and cai, then you may have a shot. I'd say for certain you can run 13.2 - 13.3, but good luck with the 12's. I'd like to see a vid or slip of your run!(five-0)

[Karma_hunden]

i know mike, he lives where i live and today i raced him and he pulled about 2-3 cars doing 40mph and 20mph roll ons...he kept a constant pull, so i was constantly getting raped, lol...he needs to work on his launch ( i beated him :) until i missed 2nd) and im guessing on the track x-mas tree or something...but he can probably run a 13.5 if he tries. I think that with an exhaust he can hit low 13s and if the FMIC doesnt do it, the EMS will...and IF that doesnt do it the boost controller will...after the EMS gets rid of that annoying fuel cut of coarse.

[4DRHTRD]

Well let's reply to the various items listed:
1. We're direct injection so there aren't any injectors and don't look for any yet.
2. Don't you trust the build quality of the car? I know of a stock block SRT-4 locally running 10's on stock axles, slicks and the stage 3 mopar kit along with fuel and misc upgrades. Not that I'm expecting 10's but some low 12's would be nice.
3. The ATP prototype ran 12.8@108 from what I understand so 12's have been done.
4. I work out 7 days a week, what's your point? Here's my last car - www.azsupersport.com held the national record for a bit for bolt ons car with power adder - 12.3@110. Later went 12's on street tires with the mini-tub. Over 60K miles on the stock motor with 175 shot. If you're careful, more power can be safe.
5. I have a liquid to air top mount intercooler, WAY nicer than a FMIC, less pressure drop and cooler intake air. If I decide I want to I can add an ice resevoir for even colder intake temps at the track. I gained 3 PSI from stock IC going to my top mount.

Don't take this wrong but you posted the question, who will be the first to dyno 300 WHP, it's been done. Then people started qualifying it with the stock turbo, unfortunately they don't understand the compressor maps of the K04-22 and probably dont' realize it's limits. I can tell you how to get 300 WHP right now, very easily done:
1. XEDE or CP-E engine management
2. 50/50 water/meth mix - with tuning should be good for around 40 WHP on top of 93 octane or 20 WHP over 100 octane fuel. These are actually on the low side.
3. ATP DP with cutout, electric or VES
4. Cold air intake

DONE.

[MS6freek]

I call her the "white bull" and she's gonna be screaming in a few weeks. With an all-CPE moded ride, I believe I may be the first to reach the previous un-tapped 300 whp mark. Maybe there are others that have hit 300 whp, but I have negleted to see a dyno result.

ALL CPE - CAI, DOWNPIPE, CATBACK EXHAUST, and will be adding FMIC and engine management whenever they are released. Right after installation I plan to dyno and fine-tune my maps. I'm thinking in the range of 290-310 whp. Any takers or ney-sayers out there? Comments? Tips? I'm sure everyone will be anxious to see my dyno results. I'll post them, along with some vid's as soon as I can. WHO WANTS SOME?(rockon)


that will be what in 2 years ;)(five-0)
i just hope im wrong (strike)

[Karma_hunden]

that will be what in 2 years ;)(five-0)
i just hope im wrong (strike)

yo, do i hear crickets?

[MUSOM]

Well let's reply to the various items listed:
1. We're direct injection so there aren't any injectors and don't look for any yet.
2. Don't you trust the build quality of the car? I know of a stock block SRT-4 locally running 10's on stock axles, slicks and the stage 3 mopar kit along with fuel and misc upgrades. Not that I'm expecting 10's but some low 12's would be nice.
3. The ATP prototype ran 12.8@108 from what I understand so 12's have been done.
4. I work out 7 days a week, what's your point? Here's my last car - www.azsupersport.com held the national record for a bit for bolt ons car with power adder - 12.3@110. Later went 12's on street tires with the mini-tub. Over 60K miles on the stock motor with 175 shot. If you're careful, more power can be safe.
5. I have a liquid to air top mount intercooler, WAY nicer than a FMIC, less pressure drop and cooler intake air. If I decide I want to I can add an ice resevoir for even colder intake temps at the track. I gained 3 PSI from stock IC going to my top mount.

Don't take this wrong but you posted the question, who will be the first to dyno 300 WHP, it's been done. Then people started qualifying it with the stock turbo, unfortunately they don't understand the compressor maps of the K04-22 and probably dont' realize it's limits. I can tell you how to get 300 WHP right now, very easily done:
1. XEDE or CP-E engine management
2. 50/50 water/meth mix - with tuning should be good for around 40 WHP on top of 93 octane or 20 WHP over 100 octane fuel. These are actually on the low side.
3. ATP DP with cutout, electric or VES
4. Cold air intake

DONE.


Maybe you should read my sig. I have CAI, DP, and catback. For one, what makes you think that a topmount is better than a FMIC? OBVIOUSLY.....because you have a topmount you think it's better. WRONG. Your idle heatsoak will be worse than any FMIC. I don't care what you say. And if you work out 7 days a week that, to me, qualifies you as an A type personality with alpha male syndrome. I'll clearify if you don't understand all those big words. Secondly, where's the 300+ whp dyno? Because I haven't seen it. I should have never started this thread If I knew people where gonna be like this. (blah)

[Blake]

Keyword is liquid to air here buddy. His top mount will be more than enough.

[Velocifero]

Maybe you should read my sig. I have CAI, DP, and catback. For one, what makes you think that a topmount is better than a FMIC? OBVIOUSLY.....because you have a topmount you think it's better. WRONG. Your idle heatsoak will be worse than any FMIC. I don't care what you say. And if you work out 7 days a week that, to me, qualifies you as an A type personality with alpha male syndrome. I'll clearify if you don't understand all those big words. Secondly, where's the 300+ whp dyno? Because I haven't seen it. I should have never started this thread If I knew people where gonna be like this. (blah)
you do see that it is a liquid to air IC he is referring to right?

[Karma_hunden]

MUSOM, you do realize FMIC isnt necessarily good do you? Here's a quick fact...subies with FMIC actually lose power to the wheels...another fact..there has been a few FMIC realeses for the MS6 with no success after seeing it actually made the car lose power, hence, they are not in the market. CPE is coming up with one that supposedly works...only way to find out, is by waiting. I still think a TMIC upgrade is a better way to go.

Dont whine for getting flamed a bit....you started this topic with a cocky subject assuming you were the first one to brake the 300 barrier...please.

[4DRHTRD]

Maybe you should read my sig. I have CAI, DP, and catback. For one, what makes you think that a topmount is better than a FMIC? OBVIOUSLY.....because you have a topmount you think it's better. WRONG. Your idle heatsoak will be worse than any FMIC. I don't care what you say. And if you work out 7 days a week that, to me, qualifies you as an A type personality with alpha male syndrome. I'll clearify if you don't understand all those big words. Secondly, where's the 300+ whp dyno? Because I haven't seen it. I should have never started this thread If I knew people where gonna be like this. (blah)
Yeah, read my posts there guy.
I am an A type guy or I wouldn't be driven enough to be the FIRST guy STUPID enough to put a turbo kit on a car untested then drive to Texas to have an XEDE installed and then drive right back (like 7 hours sleep in 72 hours). Don't try and insult my intelligence, you can't even spell correctly most of the words in the quote above. I work out 7 days a week because I like to and because I'm the coach for my kid's wrestling team, also because I'm close to 40 and needed to drop some weight, don't hate. :P
Listen, you made a post acting like you were going to be in uncharted waters with the MS6, you're not. Do some searches on here and other MS6 forums and see what's out there before making bold claims of first to be 300 WHP.
Here's the dyno sheet you requested, posted in MANY of my topics in various places.
http://www.atpturbo.com/root/releases/images/release112606/mazdaspeed6_dyno1.gif

BTW, here's a cool video for you, of my car doing some 22 PSI redline pulls for ya....
http://www.azspeed6.com/movies/22-psi.wmv - right click save as.
Or faster download - http://putstuff.putfile.com/49623/7222439

[Blake]

and we say PWNED

[Blake]

Very nice video btw :-D

[4DRHTRD]

Very nice video btw :-D
Thanks, I worked hard for it.
:D

[MUSOM]

"Maybe there are others that have hit 300 whp, but I have negleted to see a dyno result. "

that was quoted from my original opening post. ? what do you want? you want me to get on my knees now?

I want to be driving my car 5 years from now, and with too many mods, i'm afraid i won't be. so take a damn a sedative and chill. this is a FORUM, not real life. I've got more important fish to fry than worrying about how i look. holla

[jcgemt2003]

Yeah, read my posts there guy.
I am an A type guy or I wouldn't be driven enough to be the FIRST guy STUPID enough to put a turbo kit on a car untested then drive to Texas to have an XEDE installed and then drive right back (like 7 hours sleep in 72 hours). Don't try and insult my intelligence, you can't even spell correctly most of the words in the quote above. I work out 7 days a week because I like to and because I'm the coach for my kid's wrestling team, also because I'm close to 40 and needed to drop some weight, don't hate. :P
Listen, you made a post acting like you were going to be in uncharted waters with the MS6, you're not. Do some searches on here and other MS6 forums and see what's out there before making bold claims of first to be 300 WHP.
Here's the dyno sheet you requested, posted in MANY of my topics in various places.
http://www.atpturbo.com/root/releases/images/release112606/mazdaspeed6_dyno1.gif
BTW, here's a cool video for you, of my car doing some 22 PSI redline pulls for ya....
http://www.azspeed6.com/movies/22-psi.wmv - right click save as.
Or faster download - http://putstuff.putfile.com/49623/7222439
Thats very freakn nice....have you ran at higher than 22psi or is that what you can run the new turbo at safely?

[69RMSP]

This thread is kinda gay but 4DRHTRD it looks like you have a pretty fast speed :). Its nice when all the hard work comes to play :)

[Karma_hunden]

thats weird, im putting down 375whp/392tq with just the DP, tints and two zoom zoom stickers. I'll get my dyno as soon as i find it...i think it went out the window when i was hauling so much ass!!

[4DRHTRD]

Thats very freakn nice....have you ran at higher than 22psi or is that what you can run the new turbo at safely?
I have ran at higher, according to various EVO guys they dyno at 26 PSI all the time. I'll set the car up for that with meth injection as we can only buy 91 octane here in AZ.
:)

[freekwonder]

"Maybe there are others that have hit 300 whp, but I have negleted to see a dyno result. "

that was quoted from my original opening post. ? what do you want? you want me to get on my knees now?

I want to be driving my car 5 years from now, and with too many mods, i'm afraid i won't be. so take a damn a sedative and chill. this is a FORUM, not real life. I've got more important fish to fry than worrying about how i look. holla

You need to chill yourself. Nobody attacked you or gave you a reason to personally attack them. Just relax and bring a positive attitude to the forum back up what you talk about and read a post fully before you respond back to it.

[Killer]

"Maybe there are others that have hit 300 whp, but I have negleted to see a dyno result. "

that was quoted from my original opening post. ? what do you want? you want me to get on my knees now?

I want to be driving my car 5 years from now, and with too many mods, i'm afraid i won't be. so take a damn a sedative and chill. this is a FORUM, not real life. I've got more important fish to fry than worrying about how i look. hollaMight be a good idea in the future to wait until you have accomplished the build up. Just some advice from the old dude.(smoke)

[Blake]

amen

[Karma_hunden]

i just ate pasta and cereal, dont ever mix that...its so bad i cant stand being in my own room. anyways...thought i would share that with yall (alright)

[Killer]

i just ate pasta and cereal, dont ever mix that...its so bad i cant stand being in my own room. anyways...thought i would share that with yall (alright)

Thanks for sharing.(monkey)

[wannabe]

Thanks for sharing.(monkey)

(werd) what a complete waste of a post...

[MS6mike]

MUSOM, you do realize FMIC isnt necessarily good do you? Here's a quick fact...subies with FMIC actually lose power to the wheels...another fact..there has been a few FMIC realeses for the MS6 with no success after seeing it actually made the car lose power, hence, they are not in the market. CPE is coming up with one that supposedly works...only way to find out, is by waiting. I still think a TMIC upgrade is a better way to go.

Dont whine for getting flamed a bit....you started this topic with a cocky subject assuming you were the first one to brake the 300 barrier...please.


hope thats not true men!!!

[MUSOM]

hope thats not true men!!!


I hear ya Mike. I've got faith in CPE though. If they say that there FMIC gives me 2-3 extra PSI, reduces heat soak, and gives me much more, 15 deg. cooler air, I have to believe that it will significantly increase power. Kinda scary though, for not having dyno proof. I think my faith will pay off. Hopefully I should find out in a coupla weeks.

D

[MS6mike]

I hear ya Mike. I've got faith in CPE though. If they say that there FMIC gives me 2-3 extra PSI, reduces heat soak, and gives me much more, 15 deg. cooler air, I have to believe that it will significantly increase power. Kinda scary though, for not having dyno proof. I think my faith will pay off. Hopefully I should find out in a coupla weeks.

D


MUSOM im in the same boat as you:) i order the CPE FMIC without knowing anything! just waiting for CPE to finish welding the kits together. Lets hope is(first)

[MUSOM]

So I just talked to extreme motorsports in maryland about dyno testing. It will cost me about $350 or more, but I think it will be worth it. Looks like I will have some tuned maps for my mods. WHOO HOOOO! Just waitin on my CPE fellas.

[boostdprotegelx]

So I just talked to extreme motorsports in maryland about dyno testing. It will cost me about $350 or more, but I think it will be worth it. Looks like I will have some tuned maps for my mods. WHOO HOOOO! Just waitin on my CPE fellas.
yeah extreme motorsports, or like, eip tuning.
they both have dynos.

[freekwonder]

not sure on lossing power to the ground. But I know plenty of subie friends that tell me that if you had two subbies with stock turbos and the same mods, only difference being on had aftermarket TMIC and one had FMIC, the TMIC one usually won. Now when a new turbo is put in the factor thats a different story, but thats on stock turbo.

[Karma_hunden]

is anyone here planning on upgrading their turbo?

not here.

[MUSOM]

At some point in the future I may consider a turbo upgrade. Maybe during the summer? I dont know much about the market right now, and there is a lot to learn.

[freekwonder]

is anyone here planning on upgrading their turbo?

not here.

Yes I plan to upgrade my turbo. But I have one road block stopping me. a wife that reminds me that its my DD and I have a Datsun 510 to to modify highly. lol. So planning and going to be doing are two different things. lol.

[4DRHTRD]

Turbo upgrade has been done, first one evaaaa! (besides the prototype car that is)
:P

[buit9110]

i'm upgrading my turbo in the summer.

[jbspeed6]

Turbo upgrade has been done, first one evaaaa! (besides the prototype car that is)
:P
Lol, second is always a bitch, but atleast the title sounds cool.

[ssinstaller]

not sure on lossing power to the ground. But I know plenty of subie friends that tell me that if you had two subbies with stock turbos and the same mods, only difference being on had aftermarket TMIC and one had FMIC, the TMIC one usually won. Now when a new turbo is put in the factor thats a different story, but thats on stock turbo.

The subi's have a large hoodscoop directly over their TMIC, we have some crap ducting, thier IC sits off the back of the motor allowing the air to flow through, ours sits directly on top of the head with basically nowhere for the air to go...I'd say their TMIC setup is far superior to ours right out of the factory, and it's understandable that they might no see any gains on the stock turbo. But, with our stock IC losing almost 4 psi across the core I don't see how a properly designed FMIC could not make more power on our motor with the stock turbo.--with tuning to eliminate fuel cut

[freekwonder]

The subi's have a large hoodscoop directly over their TMIC, we have some crap ducting, thier IC sits off the back of the motor allowing the air to flow through, ours sits directly on top of the head with basically nowhere for the air to go...I'd say their TMIC setup is far superior to ours right out of the factory, and it's understandable that they might no see any gains on the stock turbo. But, with our stock IC losing almost 4 psi across the core I don't see how a properly designed FMIC could not make more power on our motor with the stock turbo.--with tuning to eliminate fuel cut

Thats the problem. Everybody that has their side of the TMIC vs FMIC arguement has no proof, they just go off of what people say or their experience with other cars. There isn't enough info out there to say which is better for what. Like you said the stock IC is losing 3-4 psi across the core, so a good TMIC is going to see more power also.

[4DRHTRD]

Just FYI, I emailed ATP to get some more info and they verified 12.7@110 1/4 mile for their car.

Mike

[freekwonder]

Just FYI, I emailed ATP to get some more info and they verified 12.7@110 1/4 mile for their car.

Mike

What other mods? Prob exhaust, fmic, tuning?

[4DRHTRD]

FMIC and turbo upgrade kit from what I understood.

[jcgemt2003]

FMIC and turbo upgrade kit from what I understood.
Shall we assume it was tuned or is it the stock ecu?

[freekwonder]

Shall we assume it was tuned or is it the stock ecu?
oh ya now that 4DRHTRD mentioned the mods, I remember ATP saying they are running factory ecu and stock exhaust. and pushing over what was it 320 or 340 to the wheels with no problems.

[jcgemt2003]

oh ya now that 4DRHTRD mentioned the mods, I remember ATP saying they are running factory ecu and stock exhaust. and pushing over what was it 320 or 340 to the wheels with no problems.
Im hoping I should be able to hit 300+whp without the turbo upgrade. Turboback+CAI+SSQ+EXDE=300-320WHP(hopefully)(cabpatch)

[MS6freek]

Thats the problem. Everybody that has their side of the TMIC vs FMIC arguement has no proof, they just go off of what people say or their experience with other cars. There isn't enough info out there to say which is better for what. Like you said the stock IC is losing 3-4 psi across the core, so a good TMIC is going to see more power also.

LET me tell you guys , i have a front mount on my car and i can assure you that it makes a HELL of a difference. its not even funny!! totally a different car!!

[freekwonder]

LET me tell you guys , i have a front mount on my car and i can assure you that it makes a HELL of a difference. its not even funny!! totally a different car!!

Oh I don't doubt that it did help, either one would help out (TMIC or FMIC) but I don't think there is enough info out there like the Subbie guys to say what is better for what situation. All the TMIC vs FMIC is still speculation right now.

[MS6freek]

Oh I don't doubt that it did help, either one would help out (TMIC or FMIC) but I don't think there is enough info out there like the Subbie guys to say what is better for what situation. All the TMIC vs FMIC is still speculation right now.

but our car is not designed like a subi why do u guys keep on referring to that!!

[freekwonder]

but our car is not designed like a subi why do u guys keep on referring to that!!

Because if you read what I said, all I said above was that there is not alot of info or user feed back on our car like the subie. Sure we don't have a hood scoop like them, but the cars are not THAT different.

ALL I am saying is right now with our cars there is no way to say what is BETTER because there is not enough done to our cars to be able to say 'hey in this situation I have these modes compared to your mods and get result A over result B'

[TheDutchGun]

Why is 400 whp better? You could pull that much power but at what cost to the motor (witch is not cheap) and drive train (see previous).

Also this 300 whp mark is not that cool. A good driver can make that up on the strip and the track. So if you feel the need to get 300 then go get it but don’t sit and make it a big deal.

A good driver cannot make up 70 wheel horsepower. I don't care how good the dude might be.

[MS6mike]

Updates?

[forrestang]

I doubt anyone's hitting 300whp with stock turbo.

Unless someone were willing to use meth injection, or nitrous to cool things down, and then really push this POS K04?

Assuming using a cutout and all other available bolt-ons of course. :)

[MUSOM]

No real updates yet. I'm kinda dead in the water without CPE released the front mount. I would like to say that you will see a dyno slip within 10-14 days, but I cannot guarantee it. In the mean time, I'm working on an exhaust mod to make her purr and not growl.

[Blake]

(ughdance)

[MUSOM]

Where'd ya get a front mount bro?!(friday)




LET me tell you guys , i have a front mount on my car and i can assure you that it makes a HELL of a difference. its not even funny!! totally a different car!!

[MS6mike]

he has a custom FMIC he did!

[MUSOM]

Wow. Good for you. Hopefully I will be joining the FMIC family within a coupla weeks. I sure am looking forward to it! I'm gonna like it, huh? How's she feel under pressure?



he has a custom FMIC he did!

[Killer]

Wow. Good for you. Hopefully I will be joining the FMIC family within a coupla weeks. I sure am looking forward to it! I'm gonna like it, huh? How's she feel under pressure?

(lol)
In your other post you say you want to paint it...what gives? Do you even have an MS6? let alone a FRONT MOUNT INTERCOOLER?

[MUSOM]

Yea, sorry about the confusion there. I do have an MS6 (see pic below, and notice killer parallel parking job!) And no, I do not have a front mount right now. However, I'll be making a trip to Beltsville, MD soon. I will be painting the intercooler in the shop before the install. That way I won't have to take the bumper off again and paint the sucka at home. So, I'm gonna buy the paint and make the cutout now, before I get to CP-E's shop. Hope that clarifies things.

http://pic30.picturetrail.com/VOL1486/7570143/15949500/244120442.jpg

[Killer]

It does...thanks! Like the white MS6!

[snooky]

Yea, sorry about the confusion there. I do have an MS6 (see pic below, and notice killer parallel parking job!) And no, I do not have a front mount right now. However, I'll be making a trip to Beltsville, MD soon. I will be painting the intercooler in the shop before the install. That way I won't have to take the bumper off again and paint the sucka at home. So, I'm gonna buy the paint and make the cutout now, before I get to CP-E's shop. Hope that clarifies things.

http://pic30.picturetrail.com/VOL1486/7570143/15949500/244120442.jpg


here a dumb Q for ya, you know when you see all those turbo'd cars on the road with the front bump grill removed exposing the intercooler.... would my MS6 look like that if i removed my grill? I know u guys are prob gonna attack me after this Q but i know NOTHING about turbos... soo go easy on me :/

[snooky]

PS the ms6 looks SICK in white, wish we had that color in Canada...

[Velocifero]

here a dumb Q for ya, you know when you see all those turbo'd cars on the road with the front bump grill removed exposing the intercooler.... would my MS6 look like that if i removed my grill? I know u guys are prob gonna attack me after this Q but i know NOTHING about turbos... soo go easy on me :/
if you have a front mount intercooler than it will look like that, if you are stock you are gonna have to take off yoru hood to show it off.

[snooky]

if you have a front mount intercooler than it will look like that, if you are stock you are gonna have to take off yoru hood to show it off.


o really ... thanks do i have to remove anything so that it will show infront, or do i need to buy an aftermarket one to show it. not that i really wanna show it or n e thing i was just curious

[MUSOM]

just the front (bottom) grill. I'm considering doing some work to mine when I get the FMIC installed. See new pic below.




o really ... thanks do i have to remove anything so that it will show infront, or do i need to buy an aftermarket one to show it. not that i really wanna show it or n e thing i was just curious
http://pic30.picturetrail.com/VOL1486/7570143/15949500/250023906.jpg

[snooky]

whats a FMIC?

[MS6mike]

Front Mount InterCooler^

[snooky]

OOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooo thanks (hand)

[night rider]

Well 300 is a nice round number to shoot for but is there a ETA your gunning for? Possibly a particular model you want to "one up"?
Also Ive never been lucky enough to have a turbo charged car so my real world experence is nada, but why do you need to re-vamp your fuel/timing maps with these mods? Is the increase in presure that great that it would facilitate more fuel at peek boost? Im just wondering since your sticking with the stock turbo.
Anyways best of luck and great looking car. I have a friend who just graduated and landed a great job as a mechanical eng. in houston and he is looking at the MS6. I keep egging him on to get it.

[MUSOM]

With added pre and post air flow (intake and exhaust), these cars, and most other forced induction cars, have a tendency to get fuel cuts (lean out) at increased RPM. It's not so much the timing that's a huge problem. I think there will be small tweaks with an EMS coming out soon (in regards to timing), but the major focus is the A/F ratio, loss of boost at high rpms, and MAF regulated fuel cuts. The minor issues are EGT, timing, and a lack of our throttle body to completely open.

Normally, any mods will mess stock maps up all to hell. I know this first hand via completely BLACK exhaust tips that I got post intake and exhaust installation. (boom02)




Well 300 is a nice round number to shoot for but is there a ETA your gunning for? Possibly a particular model you want to "one up"?
Also Ive never been lucky enough to have a turbo charged car so my real world experence is nada, but why do you need to re-vamp your fuel/timing maps with these mods? Is the increase in presure that great that it would facilitate more fuel at peek boost? Im just wondering since your sticking with the stock turbo.
Anyways best of luck and great looking car. I have a friend who just graduated and landed a great job as a mechanical eng. in houston and he is looking at the MS6. I keep egging him on to get it.

[MS6mike]

still no 300hp speed6.... anybody? i will love to be the first!

[Insignificant]

I wonder what mine will put down after I get the ETS TMIC on & get her dyno tuned.

[jcgemt2003]

I wonder what mine will put down after I get the ETS TMIC on & get her dyno tuned.
I would guess with your mods probably in the 250-260 range. Thats low 13's all day baby!

[Insignificant]

I would guess with your mods probably in the 250-260 range. Thats low 13's all day baby!
Meh, I'm looking for high 12s after I do all this shit. (omg)

[MS6mike]

Meh, I'm looking for high 12s after I do all this shit. (omg)


what have you done to your car?

[jcgemt2003]

Meh, I'm looking for high 12s after I do all this shit. (omg)
Theres guy that have far more mods than you that arent even close to mid
13's so just hope for middle to low 13's....You need to tune to be in the 12's...unless you have a factory freak or turn your boost up to 20psi. But who knows Ive been wrong before.

[hotrodtrk]

So basically the liquid to air TMIC negates the idle heatsoak. I'm not into funky hood scoops, but would a slightly raises hood give the engine area a little more breathing room with a slightly higher heat dissipation. Or no matter how much hood clearance you have the motor heat would just be to much. I remember when I stuffed the carbed 350 into my v6 camaro, the motor ran around 15 degrees hotter until one day I decided to do some carb tuning while driving around town so I took the hood off and I'll be damned if the cooling issue vanished. Anyways, just a thought.

[snooky]

i wonder how much HP you would get just adding bassic bolt ons, im thinking of just doing the test pipe, engine mount, and CAI. has n e on dyno'd with just thos mods?

[Insignificant]

Theres guy that have far more mods than you that arent even close to mid
13's so just hope for middle to low 13's....You need to tune to be in the 12's...unless you have a factory freak or turn your boost up to 20psi. But who knows Ive been wrong before.
Did you miss the part where I said I was going to have it tuned?

[Insignificant]

what have you done to your car?
LOOK AT MY SIG. I will also be getting her tuned when the IC gets here.

[MS6mike]

LOOK AT MY SIG. I will also be getting her tuned when the IC gets here.


add a test pipe, and tune and you will be in the 13.5 to 13.3 times most likelly!(nana)

[Int3grity]

Yeah, read my posts there guy.
I am an A type guy or I wouldn't be driven enough to be the FIRST guy STUPID enough to put a turbo kit on a car untested then drive to Texas to have an XEDE installed and then drive right back (like 7 hours sleep in 72 hours). Don't try and insult my intelligence, you can't even spell correctly most of the words in the quote above. I work out 7 days a week because I like to and because I'm the coach for my kid's wrestling team, also because I'm close to 40 and needed to drop some weight, don't hate. :P
Listen, you made a post acting like you were going to be in uncharted waters with the MS6, you're not. Do some searches on here and other MS6 forums and see what's out there before making bold claims of first to be 300 WHP.
Here's the dyno sheet you requested, posted in MANY of my topics in various places.
http://www.atpturbo.com/root/releases/images/release112606/mazdaspeed6_dyno1.gif

BTW, here's a cool video for you, of my car doing some 22 PSI redline pulls for ya....
http://www.azspeed6.com/movies/22-psi.wmv - right click save as.
Or faster download - http://putstuff.putfile.com/49623/7222439


Nice video!!!

[jcgemt2003]

Did you miss the part where I said I was going to have it tuned?
Yes, i did and the test pipe is a waist of money...thats just my 2cents.

[Velocifero]

Yes, i did and the test pipe is a waist of money...thats just my 2cents.
waste. J/K

[Insignificant]

Yes, i did and the test pipe is a waist of money...thats just my 2cents.
I'm sorry you think that. You're wrong though :)

[jcgemt2003]

I'm sorry you think that. You're wrong though :)
I bet you wont see even 5whp gain from that.(no)

[Insignificant]

I bet you wont see even 5whp gain from that.(no)
Others have already dynoed I believe & saw gains. I won't be dynoing my car till my IC comes in & I won't be doing a ORP pull then a pull w/cat so I'll never know, but if you think yanking the cat does not net any gains, especially on a turbo car, you're just being silly.

[Velocifero]

Others have already dynoed I believe & saw gains. I won't be dynoing my car till my IC comes in & I won't be doing a ORP pull then a pull w/cat so I'll never know, but if you think yanking the cat does not net any gains, especially on a turbo car, you're just being silly.
this is very true, anything that frees up the flow is good for turbo, I felt a huge gain on mine even after removing the high flow

[MS6mike]

5 WHP is nothing? that lile 10 HP to the crank thats good even thou i think is more!

[snooky]

[QUOTE=MS6mike]5 WHP is nothing? that lile 10 HP to the crank thats good even thou i think is more![/QUOTE

are you talking about the test pipe, 5 WHP is alot know?

I deffinatly wanna get it. but is it really loud?

[Insignificant]

[QUOTE=MS6mike]5 WHP is nothing? that lile 10 HP to the crank thats good even thou i think is more![/QUOTE

are you talking about the test pipe, 5 WHP is alot know?

I deffinatly wanna get it. but is it really loud?
Not loud at all

[snooky]

i figured with out a cat it would be loud as hell hehehe, dont wanna attrackt cops thanks

im deff gonna get it.

this may sound like a stupid Q, but when u get all the bolt ons u can do for ur car does it also improve torque?

[buit9110]

yes it does

[Koenig]

From what I've been researching test pipes for our cars don't seem very essential or give much in terms of gains....... i'd like to see someone gaining more than 5 whp from just a test pipe...... why not just get a turbo back exhaust and get more hp from that?

[snooky]

From what I've been researching test pipes for our cars don't seem very essential or give much in terms of gains....... i'd like to see someone gaining more than 5 whp from just a test pipe...... why not just get a turbo back exhaust and get more hp from that?


I can see what you mean, but to me 5hp to the wheels for such a low price mod, is worth it no?

[Koenig]

low price mod? how much is a test pipe......under $100? I don't find that a low price mod......

I don't think it's worth it if you're going to end up getting a full exhaust in the future.......just a waste of money..... I'm just going to wait til i've saved for a full exhaust set up.

[jdub260]

It's not only about the max HP that a mod gives you.

Just for argument sake let's say that you actually gain peak 5HP(I have no idea what is actually gained). That is measureable gain, but nothing to write home about. However you also have to ask yourself if you lost lowen end torque or if the 5 HP gain was all the way across the powerband. ect. ect.

My point is that peak HP is not the end all be all of going fast. It's about having a good usable TQ/HP spread across the whole RPM range. A 450 HP car can be faster than a 500 HP car depending on the HP to RPM spread.

You also have to consider that removing the cat and installing a test pipe helps the turbo spool up faster and that won't be measured on a dyno but it will help at the track.

[Koenig]

It's not only about the max HP that a mod gives you.

Just for argument sake let's say that you actually gain peak 5HP(I have no idea what is actually gained). That is measureable gain, but nothing to write home about. However you also have to ask yourself if you lost lowen end torque or if the 5 HP gain was all the way across the powerband. ect. ect.

My point is that peak HP is not the end all be all of going fast. It's about having a good usable TQ/HP spread across the whole RPM range. A 450 HP car can be faster than a 500 HP car depending on the HP to RPM spread.

You also have to consider that removing the cat and installing a test pipe helps the turbo spool up faster and that won't be measured on a dyno but it will help at the track.

That's true too, that's what I was trying to imply...... I find it kind of hard that a 5hp gain will be spread across your entire powerband....... on top of that......if you get the full exhaust setup for the car (which I some of the better more expensive "race inspired" exhausts remove the cat) then why the point of spending the money on the test pipe, when the money can go into the full spec exhaust? If I wasn't going to get an exhaust i might just end up getting the test pipe to spool it up faster....... although I'd like a turbo back dual exhaust..... and i don't think those come with a test pipe.....if that's the case then yeah i'd want the test pipe to spool the turbo up faster.......

does the test pipe put added stress/wear on the stock turbo?

when you say it causes it to spool up faster are you saying it takes a shorter amount of time for the turbo to start spooling (i.e. reduces turbo lag_.......or are you saying the turbo spools to a higher overall speed? (more boost?)

[jdub260]

Reduces turbo lag, and makes the turbo's life easier. The test pipe reduces back pressure and allows the turbo to spin easier but it will still only reach the same speed (RPM) as before, it will just get there faster now.

The only way to increase boost is with a boost controller or tuner/piggyback.

[Koenig]

Reduces turbo lag, and makes the turbo's life easier. The test pipe reduces back pressure and allows the turbo to spin easier but it will still only reach the same speed (RPM) as before, it will just get there faster now.

The only way to increase boost is with a boost controller or tuner/piggyback.


just wanted to make sure so I wasn't misunderstanding........ anything that reduces turbo lag is a good thing (cabpatch)

thanks man.

[snooky]

see in my case i dont plan on getting a full new exhaust, i did all that on my last car and it was a headach evrytime i got stopped by the cops....

lets face it the only way to get real boost , HP and TQ gain is by spending the big bucks, on a full turbo back exhaust, turbo tweek.....

when i said "cheaper mods" i meant like less than $200...
ex: engine mount, test pipe, CAI (but they can go up to 200+)...

after getting my simple bolt ons ill be happy. i dont plan on racing on a track, but i wouldnt mind being able to say my car has over 280 HP either

[Koenig]

fujita cai is $210....... tha's the cheapest i've seen it

a cai test pipe, engine mount, short shifter....... that's not going to net you over 280 whp...... maybe at the crank...... but if you wanna say you have 280 at the wheels you're gonna need more stuff like a full exhaust.... EMS, etc.

btw.....not every full exhaust has to sound like a ricer car, or a big rumble that the cops will stop you........ it all depends on the manufacturer of the car, as some pipes sound different from others.......

[snooky]

fujita cai is $210....... tha's the cheapest i've seen it

a cai test pipe, engine mount, short shifter....... that's not going to net you over 280 whp...... maybe at the crank...... but if you wanna say you have 280 at the wheels you're gonna need more stuff like a full exhaust.... EMS, etc.

btw.....not every full exhaust has to sound like a ricer car, or a big rumble that the cops will stop you........ it all depends on the manufacturer of the car, as some pipes sound different from others.......


thats true, but if you want a good quality exhaust, something that is a sure HP gain, your not gonna spend less than 500$ right?

i feel like a test pipe would be perfect for everyday driving, and now that you guys tell me its better for the turbo, I GOTS TA GET ME ONE hahha

and i did mean 280 at the crank. we have 220 or 230 at the wheels right?

[jcgemt2003]

Ok...You have the first cat where the most restriction is and then you have your stock downpipe with actually at some bends is only a 1.5"...then you have your 2.25"(I believe thats right) pipe to a second cat or what most call a resonator. Then your back to that same diameter pipe and then the mufflers.....So its restricted than you add the test pipe to replace the 2nd cat or resenator and you make it 3" for about a foot or two than once again you go right back to restriction....I would think that all your doing is causing the exhaust to bottle up...The full exhaust is the only way your gonna see any difference...on a dyno and your butt dyno.

[chuyler1]

Can we change the title of this thread? Maybe add "I would like to be the" to the beginning.

[snooky]

soo i need to know, if you had no desire for ever changing the exhaust. would you leave it stock or get the test pipe? still dont know if its worth it. some people say the test pipe is the shit... others say it is shit? WHAT DO I DO

[MS6mike]

(10) buy the cpe TBE!

[snooky]

(10) buy the cpe TBE!

whats that? still not familiar with the lingo yet lol

is that the test pipe?

[Koenig]

Ok...You have the first cat where the most restriction is and then you have your stock downpipe with actually at some bends is only a 1.5"...then you have your 2.25"(I believe thats right) pipe to a second cat or what most call a resonator. Then your back to that same diameter pipe and then the mufflers.....So its restricted than you add the test pipe to replace the 2nd cat or resenator and you make it 3" for about a foot or two than once again you go right back to restriction....I would think that all your doing is causing the exhaust to bottle up...The full exhaust is the only way your gonna see any difference...on a dyno and your butt dyno.

Nice to know someone has their head on straight......... full exhaust FTW (evil)


Snooky... TBE = turbo back exhaust, as I was trying to tell you about.....

[jcgemt2003]

whats that? still not familiar with the lingo yet lol

is that the test pipe?
Buy the cpe Turbo Back Exhaust my man. (TBE)

[snooky]

Buy the cpe Turbo Back Exhaust my man. (TBE)


man u guys are getting me reved up to trick my car out again hehe u guys are bad influence haha, whats brand you guys would trust for a TBE?

and how much do ther go for?

i saw on utube a ms6 with a magnaflo one, is that good?

[jcgemt2003]

man u guys are getting me reved up to trick my car out again hehe u guys are bad influence haha, whats brand you guys would trust for a TBE?

and how much do ther go for?

i saw on utube a ms6 with a magnaflo one, is that good?
I wouldnt by the magnaflow...Custom Performance Engineering is the way to go for exhaust its kinda pricy but worth the gain (CPE) The turbo back is probably about $1100-$1200 but it is stainless so no rust!(cool)

[snooky]

eeeeeeeeeeeeeey, thats deff outta my price range, im just a student :(

plus my car is a lease so...........

but i figure all the bolt ons can be removed and sold at the end of my lease.

i think im just gonna go with the test pipe, CAI and BOV.

and might shorten my shift, thats all

[chuyler1]

Test pipe is pretty much the same effort to install as the exhaust...so why not do the whole thing? Only downside is that it is more to store in your garage/basement/attic until the lease is up.

[snooky]

Test pipe is pretty much the same effort to install as the exhaust...so why not do the whole thing? Only downside is that it is more to store in your garage/basement/attic until the lease is up.


thats tru but the question is, do i really wanna spend $1200 to mod a car that doesnt really belong to me?

imgonna stick to the much cheapper mods.

im not really looking to make my car super fast, i mean for a daily driving car 274 should be anough, but the tuner enthusiast in me still wants to get the car close to that odd number (300HP). i figures with the CAI, BOV, engine mount and test pipe i shouldnt be spending more than around $600- 700. plus i can space them out. as aposed to a TBE $1200 one shot.....

the bolt ons should give me around a nice 285hp to the crank more or less..

[Koenig]

thats tru but the question is, do i really wanna spend $1200 to mod a car that doesnt really belong to me?

imgonna stick to the much cheapper mods.

im not really looking to make my car super fast, i mean for a daily driving car 274 should be anough, but the tuner enthusiast in me still wants to get the car close to that odd number (300HP). i figures with the CAI, BOV, engine mount and test pipe i shouldnt be spending more than around $600- 700. plus i can space them out. as aposed to a TBE $1200 one shot.....

the bolt ons should give me around a nice 285hp to the crank more or less..

engine mount isn't really going to give you HP gains

you should dyno your car stock to see what it is........ besides if it doesn't belong to you buy it out at the end of your lease....... don't you love the car enough? lol (spin)

[chuyler1]

Honestly, 274HP is more than enough for every day use. How often do you really put the pedal to the floor an run it up to redline?

If I had a lease, I wouldn't touch anything under the car. Just do the intake/BOV and wait for a plug-and-play tuning kit...all of which you can sell when the lease is up. An exhaust is much more difficult to sell, even just the test pipe...removing exhaust components after 30-60K usually involves a grinder.

[snooky]

Honestly, 274HP is more than enough for every day use. How often do you really put the pedal to the floor an run it up to redline?

If I had a lease, I wouldn't touch anything under the car. Just do the intake/BOV and wait for a plug-and-play tuning kit...all of which you can sell when the lease is up. An exhaust is much more difficult to sell, even just the test pipe...removing exhaust components after 30-60K usually involves a grinder.


thats exactly what i was saying, a full exhaust would reduce in value quickly, and a figure for a $100 i could have my test pipe for 4 years... i wouldnt even bother selling it at the end of my lease. BOV CAI... those i could

do u think the Test pipe is a quick instal?

thanks

[Koenig]

the biggest mod i think you should do.......... is turn the lease into an ownership.


buy the car

keep the car

love the car

mod the car

pwn the other cars

(headbang)

[snooky]

I do LOVE this car but nervouse to buy. I feel its such a big commitment, i love the car soo much i added a year to the lease, it made it cheaper per month....

i have it for 4 years, if im still crazy about it at the end ill buy it and mod it up like crazy!!!!!!!!

[Koenig]

that's what i plan to do when my 4 year warranty is up........mod like crazy...... well not exactly crazy but i'm definitely going to be in the market for a bigger/better turbo......

[Insignificant]

thats tru but the question is, do i really wanna spend $1200 to mod a car that doesnt really belong to me?

imgonna stick to the much cheapper mods.

im not really looking to make my car super fast, i mean for a daily driving car 274 should be anough, but the tuner enthusiast in me still wants to get the car close to that odd number (300HP). i figures with the CAI, BOV, engine mount and test pipe i shouldnt be spending more than around $600- 700. plus i can space them out. as aposed to a TBE $1200 one shot.....

the bolt ons should give me around a nice 285hp to the crank more or less..Even when you buy it does not belong to you until you pay it off.
Mine is a lease. That's not stopping me.

[chuyler1]

and a figure for a $100 i could have my test pipe for 4 years... i wouldnt even bother selling it at the end of my lease.
I don't think you can return the car to the dealer without the cat on it. They will charge you for labor and parts to replace the test pipe with a stock cat. You could attempt to swap it back in before returning it but like I said before, bolts under the car don't come off very easily after 4 years...unless you have a grinder.

[snooky]

I don't think you can return the car to the dealer without the cat on it. They will charge you for labor and parts to replace the test pipe with a stock cat. You could attempt to swap it back in before returning it but like I said before, bolts under the car don't come off very easily after 4 years...unless you have a grinder.


thats what i was planning to do, put the stock cat back at the end.

but im nervouse when i go to the dealership to get serviced they'll give me probs for it. does the test pipe void waranty?

thanks

[chuyler1]

It will void the warranty on any exhaust related issues and if there is a CEL they may blame the test pipe and refuse to work on the car.

[snooky]

It will void the warranty on any exhaust related issues and if there is a CEL they may blame the test pipe and refuse to work on the car.


SHIT!

[chuyler1]

The key word in that sentence is "may". Every dealership is different but you are pulling out a part of the emmissions system. Depending on the laws in your area you may not pass inspection...it shouldn't cause any CELs since it is past any sensors (I think) but dealers have been known to deny service on just about any mod and if you get denied, you'll have to pull it out and go to another dealer.

[snooky]

do you guys know if the regular mazda 6 CAI fits the MS6?

[Kooldino]

Why is 400 whp better? You could pull that much power but at what cost to the motor (witch is not cheap) and drive train (see previous).

Also this 300 whp mark is not that cool. A good driver can make that up on the strip and the track. So if you feel the need to get 300 then go get it but don’t sit and make it a big deal.

^ This post sucks.

[Velocifero]

do you guys know if the regular mazda 6 CAI fits the MS6?
It shouldn't you have a turbo.