Speed3 Cp-e Intake Has Arrived!!!!

[sixerjdm]

It's here photos soon.

[Mspeed3]

Sick, I get my tax return soon so I'll be ordering mine. Try to get a sound clip

[BSTD3]

Any updates?

[sixerjdm]

Sorry for the delay on the pics, I am overloaded right now.

For the install, I definitely recommend a lift because a huge plastic airscoop has to be pulled directly out the bottom. The kit itself is extremely high quality, blows AEM away. Properly installed, there is no vibration, no CEL even in below zero weather, and the sound from the interior is much nicer than an Evo 8 or 9. First gear acceleration is drastically improved, it seems like the torque management is trying to catch up to the added output of the CAI so I experienced slight wheelspin on Pirelli Sottozero snow tires in the cold which never happened with the stock setup. In this weather its almost like a perfectly controlled launch everytime with traction on. The second and third gear torque surge seems to be gone, for those of you that know, that feeling when the turbo comes on and you get an elongated torque spike which then disappears in high revs. Now the power just seems to stay on and it pulls hard almost all the way to redline.

Am I satisfied.............YES. I recommend this kit even though it is the first one. It goes together like something that has been in the market for a while and I do not anticipate anything weird in the future as my car is being exposed to the worst conditions right now. Also, with regard to hydrolocking, I wouldn't worry about it. The filter curves up at the last point and it is enclosed to the side very well behind the foglight so it catches air from the side of the air dam.

I will try to post the picture of the kit soon and the part comes with full color instructions that are VERY clear so I didn't record the install.

I will also try to make a video soon, my guy running the dyno backed off for whatever reason.

[zoom-zoomhatch]

I saw this and figured they were shipping them out as they were ordered, but just called and they said they weren't even quite finished and needed to be powdercoated before they went out. So I was anxously awaiting delivery of a package that had not even been sent out. I'm so sad right now.

[sixerjdm]

Did you order directly through cp-e? I have had mine installed for a week now. It is excellent!!! I want to post video and pics but I am so busy even though its the worst month of the year for car sales!!

[zoom-zoomhatch]

I sure did, ordered it off their site the 6th of Feb. I'm not upset with anyone though, just disappointed that I thought by my guess that it would be here by today. Please post vid if you ever get a chance.

[boosted3]

The new folks, including me, would appreciate a link to more information.

Thanks..

B3

[BSTD3]

BUMP. Any pics or updates? Sound clips?

[redms3gt]

did you have to remove the bumper?

[www.cp-e.com]

did you have to remove the bumper?


No, you don't have to remove the bumper (2thumbs)


Jordan

[nonopr]

What the hell, where are the photos??????? Is someone afreid of the looks???
Thanks

[www.cp-e.com]

Don't worry guys, I'll get a picture for everyone. Gimme five minutes...


Edit:

http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/535/644/146146.jpg

http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/535/644/146147.jpg

http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/535/644/146148.jpg

These are available from our vendors in either polished, polished powdercoat, silver, red or black. If you order direct from us, we offer only cp-e silver. The filter and associated hardware is not shown. But hopefully we can get some better installed pics soon!


Jordan

[knowledge007]

I have had mine installed now for almost 3 weeks now. I felt quite a difference when I installed it with suspension stability of the wheels handling the hp and torque boost on 1-4 gears. Although I am still running on the stock tires. I would love to post a vid but I have also installed the HKS BOV. So you won't hear it as much due to the recirculation of the BOV. But I must say that CP-E's attention to detail and the quality of not only their products but also their materials designated for the products is outstanding. I am definitely looking into the 3" turbo back exhaust. Although it may be pricey, it is definitely worth it for a lifetime.

[ChopstickHero]

now that's what you call a nice pipe

[www.cp-e.com]

now that's what you call a nice pipe


Thanks much! (nana)

I'm going to work on getting some installed pics for everyone.


Jordan

[peanutsparts]

I understand the pipe dia is 3", but wht is the dia of the bottleneck they have where the MAF is located?

[JimmyMac]

I think it's 2.75 to eliminate getting a CEL. They had to get the proper air flow or reading.

[peanutsparts]

I think it's 2.75 to eliminate getting a CEL. They had to get the proper air flow or reading.


So the Cp-E 3" CAI has no advantage over the MS CAI, since it still has the bottle neck of 2.75" where the sensor is. so it would seem smarter to get the MS CAI, since u can have it and still have ur warranty.

[www.cp-e.com]

So the Cp-E 3" CAI has no advantage over the MS CAI, since it still has the bottle neck of 2.75" where the sensor is. so it would seem smarter to get the MS CAI, since u can have it and still have ur warranty.


Has no advantage? First of all, I think people are getting confused over the meaning of the "green warranty." Here is an exact quote directly from Mazda:

"MAZDASPEED "Green" Performance Accessories must be specifically approved by Mazda for their particular application. These parts are warranted for the first 12-months/12,000 miles from the date of purchase, excluding labor."

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=mazdaSpeedAccesso riesWarranty&bhcp=1

In no way does it indicate that Mazda has to honor your warranty if your product has a green warranty. It says the product needs to be approved by Mazda. So you need to check with your dealer if they will honor the warranty or NOT. It also says the MS CAI has a 12,000mile/12month warranty, whereas our CAI carries a lifetime warranty.

And regarding the MAF housing. We're all engineers here, and we've all been trained in fluid dynamics. We know that there is a restriction created when you change pipe diameters, but what Mazda did was take a shortcut when they made their pipe. We went through the extra effort of appropriately sizing the MAF housing so that the fuel trims almost exactly matched the stock fuel trims. If you don't do this, like Mazda didn't, then you may inadvertantly change the air/fuel mixture at closed-loop cruise.

Mazda (or whoever designed their intake, more on this later) took the easy way out by using a pipe that is *close* to (but not the same) the diameter of the stock MAF housing. That way, they don't need to machine a dedicated MAF housing, and can save money by keeping the entire pipe one diameter. So that decision wasn't based on flow restriction, it was based on *cost savings.* The people who think this was done for more performance are living in a dream world (sorry). We, on the other hand, know exactly how we altered the fuel trims, and we made sure that they were consistent before we shipped the product. Did Mazda do this? Your guess is as good as mine, but we have the data to prove it.

We also went through the extra effort of machining an airflow straightener out of billet aluminum, to match our billet MAF housings. If you look in your cp-e intake MAF housing, you'll see one. Why did we go through the extra effort to make these? Because if you look at your stock airbox, you'll see the same style airflow straightener. This is to ensure that the MAF samples the air consistently. Without it, the MAF won't measure the incoming air correctly and may result in erratic performance. This is why we call our CAI the "XCel," because we can guarantee no CEL thanks to our properly engineered MAF housing. We spin them on a CNC lathe and machine them to a diameter with a tolerance of about +/- 0.005", or about three times the diameter of a human hair.

Plus, Mazda has not, and will not post a dyno graph for their intake. So their intake could theoretically make 100hp, or -100hp. So until they actually dyno their product to prove it's effectiveness, like we have, how can you compare the performance between our CAI and theirs? You KNOW how much our CAI makes, but if we said our intake made 20hp with no dyno charts, would you believe us?

And this whole misconception that Mazda designed the CAI just isn't true. Just because it says "Mazdaspeed" on it doesn't mean they made it. If you look at the SPEED6 Mazdaspeed CAI, you'll notice it is IDENTICAL to the AEM CAI. Mazdaspeed bought the design from AEM and put their name on it. I'm not sure who made this particular SPEED3 pipe for them however.

Everything isn't always as it meets the eye. I know everybody on this board isn't familiar with cp-e, as we're new in the SPEED3 community. But what you'll learn, and quickly, is that not only do we engineer our products, instead of just throwing parts together and hoping they work, but we're also straight shooters. We share data with our customers, we love teaching people about the ins-and-outs of the turbocharged MZR, and offer the highest quality parts on the market. I think this will become clearer to people in time.

If you guys every have questions about why we made something the way we did, instead of assuming just ask the makers! I'm almost always on the boards and am happy to answer any questions you guys have. When we say we make the best parts in the business, we're not kidding, and we'll be happy to explain exatly why if you ask us :D


Jordan

[joshj84]

CP-E

Have you guys added up the total amount of HP / TQ your products can do?

As in the Downflow and exhaust and Intake?

[joshj84]

I'm currently curious on getting all 3 of those things and then doing the performance tuning to get max hp...

[www.cp-e.com]

CP-E

Have you guys added up the total amount of HP / TQ your products can do?

As in the Downflow and exhaust and Intake?


No, we've been asked several times before, and trust me we'd love to take a day and go thrash some cars at a dyno with our products on it. It make for great advertisements, and would be grat fun. But there are two issues.

One, we don't have a 4wd dyno in-house, so any dyno sessions we schedule are paid for by us, just like any other customer. And being a smaller company, we can't really spend a whole lot of money playing around on the dyno.

Second, we're a manufacturing facility. Manufacturing the products we sell keeps our lights on, and anytime we're not working on our products, we're not making money. We're also only four people strong, and we all work pretty much 7 days a week, so finding spare time to go dyno cars is difficult. So we do the next best thing.

We believe that any product we sell should have some justification that it performs the way we say it does. We were frustrated as enthusiasts ourselves, that most aftermarket products don't come with any form of validation. So we put forth the extra effort and at least dyno all the individual products we offer, to prove their effectiveness. That way when you buy from us, you know exactly what you're getting.

So the short answer is that we'd love to, but there isn't enough time or money in the day to do so! ;)


Jordan

[joshj84]

Jordan,
PM Sent.

[peanutsparts]

Has no advantage? First of all, I think people are getting confused over the meaning of the "green warranty." Here is an exact quote directly from Mazda:

"MAZDASPEED "Green" Performance Accessories must be specifically approved by Mazda for their particular application. These parts are warranted for the first 12-months/12,000 miles from the date of purchase, excluding labor."

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=mazdaSpeedAccesso riesWarranty&bhcp=1

In no way does it indicate that Mazda has to honor your warranty if your product has a green warranty. It says the product needs to be approved by Mazda. So you need to check with your dealer if they will honor the warranty or NOT. It also says the MS CAI has a 12,000mile/12month warranty, whereas our CAI carries a lifetime warranty.

And regarding the MAF housing. We're all engineers here, and we've all been trained in fluid dynamics. We know that there is a restriction created when you change pipe diameters, but what Mazda did was take a shortcut when they made their pipe. We went through the extra effort of appropriately sizing the MAF housing so that the fuel trims almost exactly matched the stock fuel trims. If you don't do this, like Mazda didn't, then you may inadvertantly change the air/fuel mixture at closed-loop cruise.

Mazda (or whoever designed their intake, more on this later) took the easy way out by using a pipe that is *close* to (but not the same) the diameter of the stock MAF housing. That way, they don't need to machine a dedicated MAF housing, and can save money by keeping the entire pipe one diameter. So that decision wasn't based on flow restriction, it was based on *cost savings.* The people who think this was done for more performance are living in a dream world (sorry). We, on the other hand, know exactly how we altered the fuel trims, and we made sure that they were consistent before we shipped the product. Did Mazda do this? Your guess is as good as mine, but we have the data to prove it.

We also went through the extra effort of machining an airflow straightener out of billet aluminum, to match our billet MAF housings. If you look in your cp-e intake MAF housing, you'll see one. Why did we go through the extra effort to make these? Because if you look at your stock airbox, you'll see the same style airflow straightener. This is to ensure that the MAF samples the air consistently. Without it, the MAF won't measure the incoming air correctly and may result in erratic performance. This is why we call our CAI the "XCel," because we can guarantee no CEL thanks to our properly engineered MAF housing. We spin them on a CNC lathe and machine them to a diameter with a tolerance of about +/- 0.005", or about three times the diameter of a human hair.

Plus, Mazda has not, and will not post a dyno graph for their intake. So their intake could theoretically make 100hp, or -100hp. So until they actually dyno their product to prove it's effectiveness, like we have, how can you compare the performance between our CAI and theirs? You KNOW how much our CAI makes, but if we said our intake made 20hp with no dyno charts, would you believe us?

And this whole misconception that Mazda designed the CAI just isn't true. Just because it says "Mazdaspeed" on it doesn't mean they made it. If you look at the SPEED6 Mazdaspeed CAI, you'll notice it is IDENTICAL to the AEM CAI. Mazdaspeed bought the design from AEM and put their name on it. I'm not sure who made this particular SPEED3 pipe for them however.

Everything isn't always as it meets the eye. I know everybody on this board isn't familiar with cp-e, as we're new in the SPEED3 community. But what you'll learn, and quickly, is that not only do we engineer our products, instead of just throwing parts together and hoping they work, but we're also straight shooters. We share data with our customers, we love teaching people about the ins-and-outs of the turbocharged MZR, and offer the highest quality parts on the market. I think this will become clearer to people in time.

If you guys every have questions about why we made something the way we did, instead of assuming just ask the makers! I'm almost always on the boards and am happy to answer any questions you guys have. When we say we make the best parts in the business, we're not kidding, and we'll be happy to explain exatly why if you ask us :D


Jordan

My bad... i didn't mean to open that can of worms.

[RonTonkinMazda]

Has no advantage? First of all, I think people are getting confused over the meaning of the "green warranty." Here is an exact quote directly from Mazda:

"MAZDASPEED "Green" Performance Accessories must be specifically approved by Mazda for their particular application. These parts are warranted for the first 12-months/12,000 miles from the date of purchase, excluding labor."

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=mazdaSpeedAccesso riesWarranty&bhcp=1

In no way does it indicate that Mazda has to honor your warranty if your product has a green warranty. It says the product needs to be approved by Mazda. So you need to check with your dealer if they will honor the warranty or NOT. It also says the MS CAI has a 12,000mile/12month warranty, Well lets see they say the part has a green warranty and then state the green warranty so by your standards no where does it say you HAVE TO covers your intakes for life. Mazda will cover the part at any dealer for the 12month 12k miles then after that its treated as an oem part so say you get a check engine light or soemthing and your under your base warranty they will not say well you have a intake so go away. Like i have said in other treads on other boards sell your product don't bash others. If your product is so great let it speak for itself and people will see.

[www.cp-e.com]

My bad... i didn't mean to open that can of worms.


Oh no, it's fine. It needed to be explained, so I thank you for your post. I appreciate you brining it up because those features we designed in wouldn't have been noticed otherwise ;)


Jordan

[joshj84]

I don't see how CP-E Bashed Mazda's product at all he stated the facts.

[www.cp-e.com]

Well lets see they say the part has a green warranty and then state the green warranty so by your standards no where does it say you HAVE TO covers your intakes for life. Mazda will cover the part at any dealer for the 12month 12k miles then after that its treated as an oem part so say you get a check engine light or soemthing and your under your base warranty they will not say well you have a intake so go away. Like i have said in other treads on other boards sell your product don't bash others. If your product is so great let it speak for itself and people will see.


I'm just going by what is posted on Mazda's website. If I'm mis-interpreting the information, than I appreciate your input since you work for a dealer. But it sounds like maybe you were just as confused as I am:

"ok i emailed mazda to find out how they treat the intake in referance to the new car warranty like if the CEL comes on and its a MAF will they say no deal cause of the intake or will the car be treated as stock. Also i asked after the 12/12 warranty on the part is up how they treat the rest of the warranty on the car. I should hear back in a day or so."

Also, according to the Magnuson-Moss Act, isn't our intake subject to the same dealer benefits you're touting? I appreciate you chiming in because I'd like to get this cleared up for everybody.


Jordan

[desperado-c]

Well lets see they say the part has a green warranty and then state the green warranty so by your standards no where does it say you HAVE TO covers your intakes for life. Mazda will cover the part at any dealer for the 12month 12k miles then after that its treated as an oem part so say you get a check engine light or soemthing and your under your base warranty they will not say well you have a intake so go away. Like i have said in other treads on other boards sell your product don't bash others. If your product is so great let it speak for itself and people will see.

I'm sorry, but that makes no sense. If what you're saying is true, you'd actually start off with less coverage in the first 12 mos, (since the green warranty is really a very limited warranty offering only a replacement w/o labor) and then after 12 mos. you'd get an increase in coverage since you're saying it's treated as OEM. That would be like the blue warranty but with a 12 mo. delay. Again, just doesn't make any sense.

Also, is this OEM treatment after 12 mos. in writing anywhere? The only place I've seen any suggestion that green warranty parts are treated as OEM at any time is when they are installed by the dealer before the purchaser takes delivery of the car. That's on the Mazdaspeed Accessories section of the website, but nowhere else. Some guy on mazda 6 club claimed that the new MS Catalog says dealer installed parts are treated as OEM, but I haven't seen any follow up on that. I really wanted the MS parts to be covered by the blue warranty at a reasonable price, but it seems to me that Mazda decided it wouldn't work for them and backed out when they lowered the MSRP's.

Also, I am not taking a position on which is functionally better b/c I saw that with the MS6 anyway, there wasn't much difference. Perhaps like a lot of other people, I'm buying CPE b/c I like to support their elegant David vs. Goliath engineering efforts and RPM Store is offering it in red.

[sixerjdm]

Ditto for the AEM/Mazdaspeed relationship,

For what its worth, I have done 30 to 40 AEM intake installs and they are great kits, but the welds, sizing, fit and finish, filter choice, and bends on the CP-E intake are of the highest quality I can remember seeing even on common applications that have been in the market for years. When you get your CP-E kit, you WILL spend time staring at the welds on the pipe. Very nice execution with disregard for sales volume is what you will sense like a factory race team would treat its partners to.

I tried uploading my photos, but I may have inadvertently erased the program I needed to make that seemingly simple task easy. Advice would be great and again sorry for the delay. Also if anyone could let me know how to post a video in an efficient fashion it would be much appreciated.

PS anyone in the Appleton, WI area in here?

[JimmyMac]

Sign up for photobucket. I did not to long ago. Very easy to use and sign up for. And it's free. You can even upload video as well.

I'm still waiting for my CAI. But I'm sure I won't be disappointed in the quality. I'll take pics as well and post them up as soon as I do.

[WagonMan]

There seems to be a lot of confusion on what the green warranty means, here is my take on it. This understanding was confirmed by my dealership.

The CAI covered by a 12mo, 12k mile warranty. If anything goes wrong with the CAI after that it is not covered. The CAI has no impact on the original warranty that came with your car. Thus if something other then the intake goes bad it is covered under your regular warranty. From my understanding the warranty on the CAI and your new car warranty are treated separately and are not interelated.

The blue warranty on the other hand is different. It effectively transfers your new car warranty remaining over to the Mazdaspeed part you put on. So if you have 3 years left of new car warranty, the new mazdaspeed part will have a 3 year warranty. However, if you have less then 12 months remaining on your new car warranty, the Mazdaspeed part will have a 12 month warranty, and will be warrantied for a period after your new car warranty expires.


I think the above explanation of the green warranty is what Rontonkinmazda was trying to explain, hopefully I made it a bit clearer, or way less clear, who knows.

[nondual]

There seems to be a lot of confusion on what the green warranty means, here is my take on it. This understanding was confirmed by my dealership.

The CAI covered by a 12mo, 12k mile warranty. If anything goes wrong with the CAI after that it is not covered. The CAI has no impact on the original warranty that came with your car. Thus if something other then the intake goes bad it is covered under your regular warranty. From my understanding the warranty on the CAI and your new car warranty are treated separately and are not interelated.

The blue warranty on the other hand is different. It effectively transfers your new car warranty remaining over to the Mazdaspeed part you put on. So if you have 3 years left of new car warranty, the new mazdaspeed part will have a 3 year warranty. However, if you have less then 12 months remaining on your new car warranty, the Mazdaspeed part will have a 12 month warranty, and will be warrantied for a period after your new car warranty expires.


I think the above explanation of the green warranty is what Rontonkinmazda was trying to explain, hopefully I made it a bit clearer, or way less clear, who knows.
What warranty covers the Mazdaspeed intake?

[smoker6]

Green.

[www.cp-e.com]

There seems to be a lot of confusion on what the green warranty means, here is my take on it. This understanding was confirmed by my dealership.

The CAI covered by a 12mo, 12k mile warranty. If anything goes wrong with the CAI after that it is not covered. The CAI has no impact on the original warranty that came with your car. Thus if something other then the intake goes bad it is covered under your regular warranty. From my understanding the warranty on the CAI and your new car warranty are treated separately and are not interelated.

The blue warranty on the other hand is different. It effectively transfers your new car warranty remaining over to the Mazdaspeed part you put on. So if you have 3 years left of new car warranty, the new mazdaspeed part will have a 3 year warranty. However, if you have less then 12 months remaining on your new car warranty, the Mazdaspeed part will have a 12 month warranty, and will be warrantied for a period after your new car warranty expires.


I think the above explanation of the green warranty is what Rontonkinmazda was trying to explain, hopefully I made it a bit clearer, or way less clear, who knows.


Thanks for checking with your dealer on their interpretation of the green warranty. I'm going to make some calls tomorrow too to see if I can corroborate your dealer's interpretation of the warranty.

I guess what I'm trying to understand is exactly what the green warranty offers over your legal rights automatically granted by the Magnuson-Moss Act, which states:


Further, under the act, aftermarket equipment that improves performance does not automatically void a vehicle manufacturer's original warranty, unless the warranty clearly states the addition of aftermarket equipment automatically voids your vehicle's warranty, or if it can be proven that the aftermarket device is the direct cause of the failure.

http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/DummiesArticle/id-2669.html

The M-M Act clearly states that a dealer does not have the right to void a warranty based on the addition of an aftermarket product unless the aftermarket product *caused* the warranty claim. So isn't the green warranty basically a 12-month/12,000 mile warranty for the CAI?


Jordan

[smoker6]

Thanks for checking with your dealer on their interpretation of the green warranty. I'm going to make some calls tomorrow too to see if I can corroborate your dealer's interpretation of the warranty.

I guess what I'm trying to understand is exactly what the green warranty offers over your legal rights automatically granted by the Magnuson-Moss Act, which states:



http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/DummiesArticle/id-2669.html

The M-M Act clearly states that a dealer does not have the right to void a warranty based on the addition of an aftermarket product unless the aftermarket product *caused* the warranty claim. So isn't the green warranty basically a 12-month/12,000 mile warranty for the CAI?


Jordan
That's exactly correct. Green warranty simply means the CAI itself is warrantied for 12months/12k miles. Has nothing to do with whatever other warranty you may have on your car.

[Rotus8]

That's exactly correct. Green warranty simply means the CAI itself is warrantied for 12months/12k miles. Has nothing to do with whatever other warranty you may have on your car.
It seems to me that if for example you have a CV joint go out, if you have the Mazdaspeed CAI they fix it, if you have a different CAI they could claim that the extra power from the CAI caused the premature failure of the joint so it is not covered.

[RonTonkinMazda]

Thanks for checking with your dealer on their interpretation of the green warranty. I'm going to make some calls tomorrow too to see if I can corroborate your dealer's interpretation of the warranty.

I guess what I'm trying to understand is exactly what the green warranty offers over your legal rights automatically granted by the Magnuson-Moss Act, which states:



http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/DummiesArticle/id-2669.html

The M-M Act clearly states that a dealer does not have the right to void a warranty based on the addition of an aftermarket product unless the aftermarket product *caused* the warranty claim. So isn't the green warranty basically a 12-month/12,000 mile warranty for the CAI?


Jordan

a dealer can choose not to work on your car if it has aftermarket parts its differant from voiding your warranty. so you bring a car in with a check engine light and a aftermarket intake they can say bring it back when its stock and we will look at it. Also in your mazda warranty book it says aftermarket parts will void your warranty which is within the M-M act. So the M-M act does not stop a dealer from sending you away to return your car to stock before they work on it so with mazdaspeed parts you don't have to mess with it.

[smoker6]

It seems to me that if for example you have a CV joint go out, if you have the Mazdaspeed CAI they fix it, if you have a different CAI they could claim that the extra power from the CAI caused the premature failure of the joint so it is not covered.
It depends on the dealer. Some dealers will look at the Mazdaspeed CAI as just another aftermarket product, and may still decline work on your car. I would call your dealer beforehand and ask to see if they have a preference, as it will make your life easier later on.

[Ferdball]

It depends on the dealer. Some dealers will look at the Mazdaspeed CAI as just another aftermarket product, and may still decline work on your car. I would call your dealer beforehand and ask to see if they have a preference, as it will make your life easier later on.
So, what all y'alls are saying, is that its Gray. Is it safe to say that its less gray with an MS CAI than with a CP-E CAI?

[smoker6]

I'm tired so sorry if this post doesn't clear anything up like I expect it to. lol

The Mazdaspeed CAI is GREEN in Mazda's eye's. That means that it has a 12month/12k mi warranty, separate from anything else. If the Mazdaspeed CAI is found to have caused damage to some other part if your car, your warranty will not cover it, as its still an after market product. So in those terms, its the same as the CP-E intake or any other CAI. As far as warranty goes, the only advantage with the Mazdaspeed CAI is that you have that 12 month warranty on it. I'm pretty sure the after market scene (read CP-E or others) wouldn't leave you on ice if you were shipped a defective CAI though, seeing as how they want your business.
My suggestion?
Call your dealer, see if they care what brand CAI you get, and if they don't, go with whatever you want, as the warranty hardly makes any difference. If they do, then it might save you some trouble to go with what they suggest.

Take all this with a grain of salt, as this is how I see things, and of course I'm prone to the embarrassment that is human error.

[Ferdball]

Call your dealer...
The only problem with that is that if you call Fred at your dealer, and he says yes, but then Fred (no, the other Fred) tells you no, then what do you do. There are some things that need to be written. What's written is clear.

I think its a Gray area, and those that chose the MS CAI are banking on the Grayness. Heck, its a Mazdaspeed car with a Mazdaspeed part. Fix the damn thingy.

[blkMS3]

I actually went to my dealer and they said buying and installing this product will void my warranty because its supposedly made for "off road use".....and that if i order it and they install it, it will void my warranty but that's the parts manager at the dealership i went to.....

[smoker6]

I actually went to my dealer and they said buying and installing this product will void my warranty because its supposedly made for "off road use".....and that if i order it and they install it, it will void my warranty but that's the parts manager at the dealership i went to.....
BS flag just went up. Installing after market parts has nothing to do with voiding your warranty. It voids your warranty for that specific part since you don't have the original in anymore, but that's about it (unless they can prove with little doubt that the part caused whatever damage you want repaired).

[blkMS3]

Milam Mazda in puyallup definetly told me that i guess there just trying to shy people away from getting the Cold Air Intake....which i dont understand because i thought they'd make money if people bought the CAI....

[sixerjdm]

I don't understand the doubt here,

There must be a host of very average and poorly informed dealerships out there.

CASE 1: We are a Hyundai dealership as well, we warranted 90% of the parts and labor involved with fixing a Tiburon that had a dime size hole in one of the pistons due to a wet nitrous system. Once we got the skinny, we covered everything with no questions asked, except by Hyundai, because it was only the third reported internal engine failure on any Hyundai for the last 10 years. Hyundai became aware of the situation and chose to value customer satisfaction on this young man's new car.

CASE 2: We are a Mitsubishi dealership, we do warranty work on many Evo's with various modifications and even clutches within a reasonable time frame. We merely advise as to how much boost and how lean the fuel mixture can be run. In the event that Diamond care inspection asks us a question, we put the car back to stock as much as possible and describe what happened. Once we are awarded with such an extensive repair, our top technician gets a high paying job for a few hours which the customer is not penalized for.

CASE 3: Finally, we are a VW/Audi dealership, and we will honor any work that needs to be done with no relation, or partial relation, to an aftermarket complication. 25% of our customers cars have GIAC chips in them and they are hard to find so nobody is looking.

It is true that the only warranty voided out completely, is the part you are replacing and regardless everyone is talking about their cars in such doubt when what accounts for most modern failures on cars are electrical functions for minor luxury ammenities, ala VW Audi.

PS I am checking out photobucket and thanks.

[WagonMan]

I think in the end it depends on the dealer to a large degree. We have all heard stories about dealers not willing to do warranty work for stupid reasons (e.g. you have aftermarket shifter bushings, so I'm not going to fix the broken strut on your hatch).

However, I think with a Mazdaspeed green part only the most foolish dealership would not do the warranty work, but of course there are some out there.

I also think that the full car normal warranty continues to apply to everything but the Mazdaspeed CAI. Even if the CAI is suspected to cause a problem in the engine, that problem should be covered. I base this on the following language use to describe the Green warranty:

MAZDASPEED “Green” Performance Accessories must be specifically
approved by Mazda for their particular application.

To me they put that in to make sure the part is being put on the car it is intended for, and as such should not impact other parts of the vehicle it was designed to be used for.

Adding any CAI will put you at risk for not being covered for something, however I think with a Mazdaspeed part your risk is maybe 15% of having a problem with warranty, with a non-approved Mazda part I would guess your odds of having a problem with warranty are more like 75%.

[stretch]

The "official" aftermarket parts from auto companies are not necessarily good parts. I wouldn't put any faith in a label alone. Use your heads and examine the intakes without prejudice.

By getting a improperly-sized, Mazda-branded intake, you're sacrificing your car for the warranty. How is that justifiable? If your dealer sucks, remove the intake before going in.

Here's something I wrote on the subject and goes into some details on a Subaru-branded intake for the Legacy:
http://motorist.blogspot.com/2006/08/aftermarket.html

From the article:
However, just a cursory look at the intake reveals several problems:


The mass air flow sensor, a very precise instrument used to measure the volume of incoming air into the engine, is placed between two bends in the pipe. The sensor therefore receives a turbulent, uneven flow of air, for which the MAF is not calibrated.
The diameter of the intake is smaller than stock, causing air to flow faster through the tube. The mass air flow sensor thus reads higher, causing the engine to think more air is going into the engine than really is. As a result, the car will add too much fuel to the air/fuel mixture.
The intake draws in warm air from the engine bay, whereas the stock airbox draws in cold air from outside the hood. Warm air results is less dense with oxygen molecules and therefore contains less energy potential. This results in less power potential.
The intake uses a cotton filter. The filtering qualities of cotton filters are questionable versus the OE paper unit, however less debatable is the the additional servicing a cotton filter imposes. The oil used in the cotton can dirty the mass air flow sensor, requiring that it be cleaned (a delicate process) every 10,000 miles or so.


Now, I'm just some John Doe on the internet and a far cry away from the engineer types I envision developing these products. However, these flaws are still pretty obvious to me, and they're flaws that could have been easily (and cheaply) circumvented. If I can see these problems, how can SPT not see them? How did Subaru approve it?

These very questions are what lead many of SPT's customers to disregard their better sense and ignore their doubts. Subaru's stamp of approval implied that all these seemingly obvious flaw were either imaginary or overcome. Besides, SPT claimed a horsepower gain, not a loss.

Cobb Tuning, a rival company well-known for Subaru aftermarket products, echo'd the comments of others and assured the intake would result in power loss and a poorer running engine. Upon request, Cobb tested the SPT intake and released this document showing their results:
http://www.cobbtuning.com/tech/instructions/SPTLegacyGT1.01.pdf

While the document should be taken as propaganda (it is from a rival company, after all), the results were rather expected. Some tests have been since repeated independently by users, adding validity to Cobb's document. In short, every assumed shortcoming of the SPT intake turned out to be valid.
Now, the Mazdaspeed intake doesn't look as embarrassing as the Subaru SPT one, but this still goes to show how lousy official products can be. Besides, Mazdas are generally much, much more sensitive to MAF readings than older-tech cars. Any inaccuracy is going to be a huge deal.

You're dealing with an engine that runs high compression and high boost, and will need VERY VERY precise air readings to meter fuel. MAF accuracy is one of the MOST important measurements on the entire car! Compromising it with a questionable intake is ludicrous.

At the same time, the pressure drop along the stock MAF in its housing is rather large, so it makes sense to upgrade it. It seems to me that there are only two ways to do this: a large diameter intake with a custom tune (fuel tuner and dyno time required for this) or a custom machined MAF housing like CPE's XCel intake.

Using a simple aluminum tube intake without tuning is, in the long run, a huge mistake.

[CTGrey02]

Edit::::: I should read more before typing.

[knowledge007]

You know what I say screw the damn warranty. The warranty we have is such crap that is will be up before the year is over b/c I know as an owner of the gt that I can not stop driving this car. I have purchased and awaiting to receive the 3" turbo back with cat and will not hesitate on installing this item. I have the HKS BOV and the cp-e CAI installed also. If you think about it you are not really changing the way the car functions. You are just modifying your BOV and intake along with your exhaust.

[sixerjdm]

I second 007's notion.

I have an 03 Yamaha R6 that had warranty work last year!!! The ignition coils melted and it was 3 years out of warranty. They even through a new set of spark plugs in for the hell of it!!!

GET TO KNOW YOUR DEALERS.

[C'ville]

Lets face it the stealerships will try anything to screw you...(moon)
Yep I said it.(shocked)
Just do whatever mods you want to your car, but be prepaired to pay out of your own pocket if your stealership doesn't warranty it.
I think with todays cars you are safe with the basic's intake, exhaust etc.
This motor has been out in the speed6 for awhile so I would think any problems would have already turned up.
Now back to my Margarita(cheers)

[mafanchai]

With all the points that everyone is debating about...

1st : know your dealer, strike a conversation with them .. there is surely one guy that share the same value(mod, jdm, tuning) as you and let him know what he thinks or how this dealer office works!

2nd : if you think they gonna give you BS, change your DP and CAI if you need to get them to fix it .. ! IF you dun want to , i am sure an average joe could change your brake pad and change your oil .....!

3rd : Dun think about it, there is alwiz another dealership nearby and please MOD your car.... Its a free country , U are missing out... !

[JimmyMac]

You know what I say screw the damn warranty. The warranty we have is such crap that is will be up before the year is over b/c I know as an owner of the gt that I can not stop driving this car. I have purchased and awaiting to receive the 3" turbo back with cat and will not hesitate on installing this item. I have the HKS BOV and the cp-e CAI installed also. If you think about it you are not really changing the way the car functions. You are just modifying your BOV and intake along with your exhaust.

I agree as well. I knew when I bought this car.. I would not care about the warranty because I knew I was gonna mod it to hell and back. As they say.. "gotta pay to play". On the other hand.. before this car I had the MZ3. I got the extended warranty. I knew I wasn't gonna mod it up or nothing. And I was having the local dealer take care of all the tune ups and oil changes, etc. So it really depends what your intentions are here. I talked to the service manager about the warranty and mods/aftermarket stuff. And he said it may void the warranty on that part. But it would not necessarily void out the car warranty unless if that part caused a failure or breakdown of the car. But he said he would not turn me down for any service or work. He would gladly take my money!! hehe.. :D

[stretch]

and your proof?
Besides what I posted earlier about the SPT intake? Are you not paying attention in this thread?

Hell, there's tons of proof out there- Injen released an intake for the Mazda6 that threw the fuel trims off off by 15%! AEM saw this, posted on the Mazda6 forums and said, "We'll make a properly engineered intake and will not throw CEL's." They didn't, and it did- the fuel trims were still off by several percent. I should also mention that for the Mazda6, the Mazdaspeed intake was just a rebranded AEM intake!

I currently drive an STI that I bought with an AEM intake, and the fuel trims on it were off by just 2%. That 2% caused a plethora of problems including hesitation (I presume from alternating between too rich and too lean), overboosting, and of course a CEL for running lean- not good while overboosting!

The problem, as was said earlier, is that every big company I've seen builds their intakes from off-the-shelf aluminum tubing. That tubing does not come in specific enough sizes to match the stock housing. Furthermore, even if the tubing diameter does match, rarely does a company spend the time matching the depth in which the MAF is mounted or the specific direction of flow through the tube. That takes R&D and money, and to be honest, the quality control on china parts isn't good enough that the intakes would all be made to the same tolerances anyway.

Didn't I read that the Mazdaspeed intake is just a 2.75" tube with a MAF flange on it? If so, it only takes a little deductive reasoning to predict what will happen. You're better off with the stock part if you care about the health of your engine. The stock piece may not flow well, but it's accurate, and accuracy is the most important part of an intake.

Custom Performance Engineering CNC's a very intricately shaped and sized part in their for the MAF housing from a solid piece of aluminum. Nobody else does this. Since it is CNC'd, the process is very repeatable and precise. This is why their intakes are better than everyone elses and why they can guarantee no CEL's (which is really a zero fuel trim guarantee).

Don't take my word for it- ask someone with a cheap "MAF on tube" intake to look at their fuel trims throughout the rev range.

[knowledge007]

Well lets see they say the part has a green warranty and then state the green warranty so by your standards no where does it say you HAVE TO covers your intakes for life. Mazda will cover the part at any dealer for the 12month 12k miles then after that its treated as an oem part so say you get a check engine light or soemthing and your under your base warranty they will not say well you have a intake so go away. Like i have said in other treads on other boards sell your product don't bash others. If your product is so great let it speak for itself and people will see.


CP-E did NOT bash the manufacturer of the mazdaspeed3 CAI. Learn how to read and follow. He simply stated the facts. And yes, Mazda could say "warranty as been voided". The dealer can do w/e they please unless you have it in writing. All I can say is the CP-E is doing the job right by covering every little detail with their products so your car can run not only more powerful but also efficiently.

[Rotus8]

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[Speedy3]

You do realize that you're arguing about the effectiveness of the Mazdaspeed CAI with the designer of a competing .....

.....You told me to take your results with a grain of salt, and that's exactly what I'm doing ;)


Jordan

I'm not trying to downplay your product. I got a little excited and posted my results on all the CAI threads, but didn't pay close enough attention to the title of this one, sorry. This is your thread and I should use the MS CAI thread.

As for my analysis, I agree there are errors in my approach. I just wanted other MS3 owners to get a glimpse of what I found. I did make the conditions clear except for the fact that I have stock test results on a car with 7k miles and the air filter may reflect that in lower airflow. What I will do to make amends is purchase a new stock air filter, re-attach the stock airbox and take 6 runs in 3rd gear on dry pavement. Then I will redo the test with the MS CAI re-installed (6 runs in 3rd gear). This is no problem for me because I want to know what gains this CAI provides. I will then post my results under one thread.

Given time, I will try to schedule a dyno on the stock configuration and then another in the MS CAI configuration.

By the way, I agree that Mazda lacks technical supporting data for their equipment. They even used Car and Driver's test results on their MazdaUSA website, which seems specious to me.

One last thing, I read everything you wrote; you failed to recognize that I'm not using a G-meter device. this is purely through the OBDII. This SW must be using a discrete differential equation to calculate the power because they are using parasitic drag in the setup file. As you know, parasitic drag increases at a rate proportional to the square of the velocity. This is not an easy problem to solve numericaly with out a constant acceleration. What I would like find out from Auterra is how they do their calculations. Sounds like another action item for me (poke).

Again, sorry to use your thread.

[Perro del Sol]

Besides what I posted earlier about the SPT intake? Are you not paying attention in this thread?

Hell, there's tons of proof out there- Injen released an intake for the Mazda6 that threw the fuel trims off off by 15%! AEM saw this, posted on the Mazda6 forums and said, "We'll make a properly engineered intake and will not throw CEL's." They didn't, and it did- the fuel trims were still off by several percent. I should also mention that for the Mazda6, the Mazdaspeed intake was just a rebranded AEM intake!

I currently drive an STI that I bought with an AEM intake, and the fuel trims on it were off by just 2%. That 2% caused a plethora of problems including hesitation (I presume from alternating between too rich and too lean), overboosting, and of course a CEL for running lean- not good while overboosting!

The problem, as was said earlier, is that every big company I've seen builds their intakes from off-the-shelf aluminum tubing. That tubing does not come in specific enough sizes to match the stock housing. Furthermore, even if the tubing diameter does match, rarely does a company spend the time matching the depth in which the MAF is mounted or the specific direction of flow through the tube. That takes R&D and money, and to be honest, the quality control on china parts isn't good enough that the intakes would all be made to the same tolerances anyway.

Didn't I read that the Mazdaspeed intake is just a 2.75" tube with a MAF flange on it? If so, it only takes a little deductive reasoning to predict what will happen. You're better off with the stock part if you care about the health of your engine. The stock piece may not flow well, but it's accurate, and accuracy is the most important part of an intake.

Custom Performance Engineering CNC's a very intricately shaped and sized part in their for the MAF housing from a solid piece of aluminum. Nobody else does this. Since it is CNC'd, the process is very repeatable and precise. This is why their intakes are better than everyone elses and why they can guarantee no CEL's (which is really a zero fuel trim guarantee).

Don't take my word for it- ask someone with a cheap "MAF on tube" intake to look at their fuel trims throughout the rev range.

Stretch, you should have event taken this further, as CPE has made the only intake, its MAFci that has not thrown a CEL and by far has produced the biggest gains on our NA 6S's!

[Speedy3]

Stretch, you should have event taken this further, as CPE has made the only intake, its MAFci that has not thrown a CEL and by far has produced the biggest gains on our NA 6S's!

The MS3 CAI is AEM too. AEM is on the filter cleaner bottles.

[stretch]

Stretch, you should have event taken this further, as CPE has made the only intake, its MAFci that has not thrown a CEL and by far has produced the biggest gains on our NA 6S's!
Well that's kind of what I was getting at- you'll see those types of best-in-class gains when CPE releases their piggyback. Mazdaspeed is inflating their dyno numbers by causing the car to run lean.

You probably remember the whole ordeal with the Mazda6 Injen intakes and CPE releasing an "Injen fix" version of their MAF customizer. While the Mazdaspeed intake doesn't appear to be as extreme, this is still a very analogous comparison. Using the Mazdaspeed intake throws off the MAF calibration which will screw things up down the road.

[nondual]

Doesn't the stock setup cause the car to run very rich anyway?

[jbiird317]

Doesn't the stock setup cause the car to run very rich anyway?

check all the soot on your tailpipe then ask that question again

[knowledge007]

check all the soot on your tailpipe then ask that question again


Lmao, well put. Seems that some people are just oblivious...hehe No offense.

[nondual]

check all the soot on your tailpipe then ask that question again
That's what I'm saying - so if the Mazdaspeed CAI leans things out, how is that really all that bad?

[knowledge007]

That's what I'm saying - so if the Mazdaspeed CAI leans things out, how is that really all that bad?

I haven't noticed a difference. Buy the looks of it I am still running as rich from the factory. Or maybe a minimal change but it looks the same to me... Or it could be that I am running just as hard or maybe even harder since I have had them both installed...(boom07)

[jbiird317]

That's what I'm saying - so if the Mazdaspeed CAI leans things out, how is that really all that bad?

i agree in principle, but i can also understand wanting to keep the performance that the rich mixture gives you. (this is why ppl with the mazdaspeed cai are also seeing slight gains in gas mileage)

[camrycev6]

Jsut a note to all...the ECU reflash rumor is not a rumor. I was talking to the Mazda techs who did my CAI yesterday, and they said that is was very important to reprogram the ECU after the CAI is installed. (Which coincidentally, is one of the reasons it too longer than they expected to install it. They were initially thinking about just the parts installation, not the ECU piece.) They said it was required to prevent possible engine damage due to an incorrect A/F mix.

So...if you are installing a MS CAI yourself...be warned, you are missing a critical piece of the install until you have reflashed the ECU with the correct software image to match the CAI.

I would assume the CP-E folks have already taken this into account on their setup.

[peanutsparts]

Jsut a note to all...the ECU reflash rumor is not a rumor. I was talking to the Mazda techs who did my CAI yesterday, and they said that is was very important to reprogram the ECU after the CAI is installed. (Which coincidentally, is one of the reasons it too longer than they expected to install it. They were initially thinking about just the parts installation, not the ECU piece.) They said it was required to prevent possible engine damage due to an incorrect A/F mix.

So...if you are installing a MS CAI yourself...be warned, you are missing a critical piece of the install until you have reflashed the ECU with the correct software image to match the CAI.

I would assume the CP-E folks have already taken this into account on their setup.

they did with various Dyno testing.

[camrycev6]

Got you.

[www.cp-e.com]

That's what I'm saying - so if the Mazdaspeed CAI leans things out, how is that really all that bad?


Yes, we would argue that it is very important. Leaning these cars out too much through the mass air meter is like taking your air filter off your car. It may add some power, but isn't in the engine's best interest.

The mass air meter outputs a voltage that corresponds to how much air the engine is ingesting. So a given voltage from the mass air meter will correspond to a particular mass airflow rate. If your fuel trims were zero, then this would mean that the incoming air exactly matches the voltage/airflow table for the mass air meter. This would also mean that the actual air/fuel ratio matches the expected air/fuel ratio. If the mixture is leaner than it expects, then it will add fuel, and the opposite is true if the engine is running rich. This is your fuel trim.

The problem is that there is a certain margin of error that the computer will tolerate before it steps in and cuts fuel or sets a CEL. As you swap out your stock parts for aftermarket parts, the air/fuel ratio changes, and the car tries to compensate for the changes by adding or removing fuel (ie. adjusting the fuel trims). The computer can compensate for some of the changes you make to the car, but if you lean it out too much you'll exceed the ECU's fuel trim correction window, which is bad. This is why we preach about properly machining the MAF housing. So unless the MS CAI is going to be your only performance modification, it may come back to bite you in the butt later as you add more parts.

I strongly suggest anyone who isn't familiar with fuel trims and engnie tuning do a quick google search to learn a little more about why this is so important. If you have anymore questions, please feel free to post them up.


Jordan

[Ferdball]

Jsut a note to all...the ECU reflash rumor is not a rumor. I was talking to the Mazda techs who did my CAI yesterday, and they said that is was very important to reprogram the ECU after the CAI is installed.
I think this is the first time that someone is mentioning an ECU reflash. An ECU reset is different from a reflash, right?

[www.cp-e.com]

I think this is the first time that someone is mentioning an ECU reflash. An ECU reset is different from a reflash, right?


Yes, the two are different functions. The ECU in the MS3 (really all fuel injected cars these days) is able to learn and adjust engine parameters based on environmental condititions. This learned information is stored in RAM which uses a battery to keep the information alive. If the RAM loses power, then the information is lost.

One parameter that is constantly being changed however is the the fuel trim, which resets (back to zero percent) whenever the battery is disconnected long enough for the long term memory to clear. Your car keeps track of past fuel trims and logs a running average. If you install a new performance part that changes your fuel trims, it isn't a bad idea to send them back to zero. That way, the computer is has no previous data to base its fuel trims on.

A reflash however makes changes to memory within the ECU that is not altered as you drive. This includes sensor look-up tables and engine parameters. Reflashing an ECU can be useful if you'd like to change the operating characteristics of your engine. Companies like Cobb spend time trying to figure out how to flash new data to a car's ECU because they can alter exciting things like boost, timing, and fuel delivery. The problem is that doing this is illegal according to the Digital Millenium Copyright Act, not to mention the fact that it's also becoming increasingly difficult to do.

Hope this helps!


Jordan

[Hypnotized]

So..After readinig all this it seems that this reflash can eventnually harm the car if you contiue to mod it. Or did I miss something?

[desperado-c]

Jsut a note to all...the ECU reflash rumor is not a rumor. I was talking to the Mazda techs who did my CAI yesterday, and they said that is was very important to reprogram the ECU after the CAI is installed. (Which coincidentally, is one of the reasons it too longer than they expected to install it. They were initially thinking about just the parts installation, not the ECU piece.) They said it was required to prevent possible engine damage due to an incorrect A/F mix.

So...if you are installing a MS CAI yourself...be warned, you are missing a critical piece of the install until you have reflashed the ECU with the correct software image to match the CAI.

I would assume the CP-E folks have already taken this into account on their setup.

Did they list any info about the reflash such as version no.?

[RonTonkinMazda]

there is no reflash for the MS CAI install thats right from mazda! there is a reflash for part of the p2006 code fix thats it so these people that are being told its for the MS CAI are being jerked around by your dealer.

[camrycev6]

there is no reflash for the MS CAI install thats right from mazda! there is a reflash for part of the p2006 code fix thats it so these people that are being told its for the MS CAI are being jerked around by your dealer.

Then I guess you are saying they flat out lied to me. I will ask these guys again. They made it very clear that the ECU was reflashed during the process and that it was necessary. As far as a version number, I did not ask and they did not mention it.

[RonTonkinMazda]

Then I guess you are saying they flat out lied to me. I will ask these guys again. They made it very clear that the ECU was reflashed during the process and that it was necessary. As far as a version number, I did not ask and they did not mention it.


If you can find out and if they still say it is for the CAI let me know the dealership and person so i can find out why they think this.

[camrycev6]

I just got off the phone with Mazda. I was lied too. When I asked why, it was basically because the install took longer than they thought so they needed to tell me something. The service manager apologized and offered me 10% off next time I was in and a free tank of gas.

Sorry for the confusion folks. I was just repeating what I was told by the "experts."

[RonTonkinMazda]

I just got off the phone with Mazda. I was lied too. When I asked why, it was basically because the install took longer than they thought so they needed to tell me something. The service manager apologized and offered me 10% off next time I was in and a free tank of gas.

Sorry for the confusion folks. I was just repeating what I was told by the "experts."


thats lame i bet if they would of told you hey we have never installed 1 of these and are taking our time and making sure its 100% right so it will be alittle longer you would of been fine with it. Glad to hear they cleared it up for you.

[camrycev6]

Basically that is what they said after I asked them about it. He (the service manager) told me it was the guy's first install and that it just took longer than they really expected. It actually took 2.5 hours to get it in. They quoted me about 7/10 of an hour, and billed me for 1.5 hours (And threw in the lie to explain it all away I guess.) To give him a little credit, it was the sales person and younger member of the shop that told me the ECU story.

[RonTonkinMazda]

Basically that is what they said after I asked them about it. He (the service manager) told me it was the guy's first install and that it just took longer than they really expected. It actually took 2.5 hours to get it in. They quoted me about 7/10 of an hour, and billed me for 1.5 hours (And threw in the lie to explain it all away I guess.) To give him a little credit, it was the sales person and younger member of the shop that told me the ECU story.


yeah i am sure the manager had no idea and will go talk to his guys for it.

[CTGrey02]

A reflash only takes a few minutes to do also. I reflash my mustang's ecu after different mods.

[camrycev6]

A reflash only takes a few minutes to do also. I reflash my mustang's ecu after different mods.

Agreed. Then again, this was this guys first one, so maybe everything was taking much longer. He didn't do one of course, but hopefully the extra time he spend doing it taught him something. All things considered, at least he didn't try to rush it and screw something up. Better safe than sorry.

...oh yeah...Dyno run in T-minus 48 minutes. I couldn't do the Saturday one.