Warning: Dont get too cocky (ok and a rant)

[Mocoso]

So Ive seen a lot of posts about how the MS3 killed the Mustang, the VW, the Civic, the Scion, the XYZ, the ABC, you name it....

Aside from the customary: take it to the track, street racing doesnt prove anything other than you are mortal warning Ill add a second warning:

While the MS3 is fast, a sports car bordering on supercar performance it is NOT.... take a step back and get a reality check specially if you were the idiot on the 101 fwy yesterday trying to score another kill. WTF were you thinking? while it will give EVO's and subi's a run for their money all you'll get against the likes of the corvettes is to be a nice backstop for the flying rubber and people laughing their ass off at how stupid you look trying to smoke a car completely out of your class.....

Sorry I had to vent... had an idiot (yes in a MS3 sadly enough) try to egg me on to race him. Guy started getting dangerous (cut in front, slam on brakes, get next to me and rev the engine, etc....) - should have seen the look on his face when he got boxed in doing 55 MPH behind the old lady from Pasadena...

[Wes]

Wasn't me dude, I swear! lol I'm well aware of my car's place on the food chain, not to mention I don't street race.

What color was it? Were you in the C6 or the MS3?

I get stuck behind the old lady from Pasadena all the time... she's EVERYWHERE!

[slammie]

Sounds like you ran into a real asshole! Hopefully, most of us (including me if I ever get the MS3) will have sense to take care, drive wisely, and respectfully. With that said, I wouldn't misinterpret people's enthusiasm about their cars on this site to equate to delusions of grandiosity or death wishes on the highway.

[Mocoso]

Wasn't me dude, I swear! lol I'm well aware of my car's place on the food chain, not to mention I don't street race.

What color was it? Were you in the C6 or the MS3?

I get stuck behind the old lady from Pasadena all the time... she's EVERYWHERE!


Hmmmm it was a blue one with the 2.3 badges on the side! (lol2) .. actually was a black one and yes I was in the C6... it was amusing at first until the guy got dangerous...

btw: your engine fully broken in yet? Ive already hit 1000 miles in 2 weeks LOL! the C6 was starting to feel abandoned....

[Mocoso]

Sounds like you ran into a real asshole! Hopefully, most of us (including me if I ever get the MS3) will have sense to take care, drive wisely, and respectfully. With that said, I wouldn't misinterpret people's enthusiasm about their cars on this site to equate to delusions of grandiosity or death wishes on the highway.

Understood... be assured I wont place all who post enthusiastic posts in my ahole bucket...mainly I just needed to vent- it was just disapointing that the one other MS3 I finally run into on the road happens to have the AHole of the year as a driver...but all makes have their lot I understand that

[djarkitek]

if he had driven a lot more safely i dont think it would have been that big of a deal..dont forget ams is working on an ms3 now too!! would'nt want to get caught with near 1000hp ams ms3 trying to race you! , lol ..but yea lame to make it dangerous just to race....it's already dangerous enough racing on the road

[CTGrey02]

Your going to find a lot of younger drivers in these things that have no idea where they stand in the food chain and buy this car with the sole purpose of using it to race when ever they can. Testosterone plus reasonable speed = idiots. Any car you want to run against will likely be at the drag strip, local auto cross or road course. No reason for behavior like that in road going traffic.

[Wes]

Hmmmm it was a blue one with the 2.3 badges on the side! (lol2) .. actually was a black one and yes I was in the C6... it was amusing at first until the guy got dangerous...

btw: your engine fully broken in yet? Ive already hit 1000 miles in 2 weeks LOL! the C6 was starting to feel abandoned....


Sooooo close.. I'm at about 480mi!

Definitely will be broken in by this Saturday! Are you planning to come to any of the meets we're having Saturday? Go ahead and bring the C6 instead of the Speed (alright) haha
My boost gauge just arrived! LOL

[tavarua88]

it wasn't me. i was driving from dealer in glendale to culver like a little old lady with my black GT. I only really gunned it a little this morning to work.

[Hyun]

street racing when there is heavy traffic is no no
When there is no cars on the street .. 1am-5am... then it's all good as long as you know the risk of going to jail and getting your license suspended.
As for me, i know a friend of mine who owns private land. Lucky me :)

[TheDutchGun]

Very justified angry post Mocoso. I run into morons like that in all kinds of different cars almost daily (when my car isn't stored that is).

[SwampAss]

I've waxed a C6. I've waxed two 911 turbos. Between you and I, I'm glad I don't detail anymore.

[daonly1around]

I've waxed a C6. I've waxed two 911 turbos. Between you and I, I'm glad I don't detail anymore.
hahaha, thats the funniest thing i have EVERY read...
BOTH cars have MORE power, and weigh less.... I'm 100% positive thoose three drivers were f-ing with you, or you are full of B.S.... or both. sorry i doubt anyone in there right mind would believe that, even us mazda enthusiast who love our mazdas, but most of us know what is legit, and what is a pile of crap.

as for the forum topic, i agree, there is nothing more annoying than someone trying to race you on the freeway or downtown traffic even. there is a place and a time for racing, and the freeway is not one of them.

[Kansei]

if he had driven a lot more safely i dont think it would have been that big of a deal..dont forget ams is working on an ms3 now too!! would'nt want to get caught with near 1000hp ams ms3 trying to race you! , lol ..but yea lame to make it dangerous just to race....it's already dangerous enough racing on the road

Yeah I wouldn't want to get caught anyone near a 1000hp FWD MS3 trying to race anything.. it would torque steer and crash into someone.. at any speed. 1000hp to the front wheels is just a big waste of time.

[evilmonkeyMSP]

are you dense? He meant waxed them as in detailing them...not in a race...he made that apparent by his last statement...
hahaha, thats the funniest thing i have EVERY read...
BOTH cars have MORE power, and weigh less.... I'm 100% positive thoose three drivers were f-ing with you, or you are full of B.S.... or both. sorry i doubt anyone in there right mind would believe that, even us mazda enthusiast who love our mazdas, but most of us know what is legit, and what is a pile of crap.

as for the forum topic, i agree, there is nothing more annoying than someone trying to race you on the freeway or downtown traffic even. there is a place and a time for racing, and the freeway is not one of them.

[Velocifero]

Being an older, not that old though, member I can agree that street racing isn't the smartest thing to be doing, but occasionally it happens even if you are just opening the engine up for a moment. I know where my car stands on the food chain, and I wouldn't egg a big fish on, but sometimes if the big fish feels like running, I'll run with him. I know I don't stand a chance but it is nice to give them a little surprise doing as good as we can.

[daonly1around]

are you dense? He meant waxed them as in detailing them...not in a race...he made that apparent by his last statement...
now that really is one of the funniest things i read on here in a while

[Rotus8]

I don't race on the street, but damn, there was this cute girl in a little red something and we sure had a good time coming down the twisties this morning. Shouldn't do it, but it was fun! Got to work ready to get something done.

[slammie]

Daonly1....I think Swamp's got your number.

[Foolish]

It was a joke, you twit!

[SwampAss]

I've got my buffer ready. Who's got the clay bar?

[Olestra]

Clay bar? You're going soft already? Bring out the sandpaper.

[GBVFATMAN]

Nothing to see here.

[SwampAss]

You're going soft already?


Says the man they call Olestra.

[Mocoso]

now that really is one of the funniest things i read on here in a while


Youre a good sport daonly...

thanks everyone I needed the chuckles.... now Im off to take some pics and wax the two babies...sucks I bought a clay bar and cant find the damn thing!!!!

Oh and for the record: I dont mind the ever so often blip on the throttle I get by other cars wanting me to gun it so they can hear the beast.. actually I take it as a form of compliment and I dont mind an MS3 getting some respect from a BMW here and a Civic there (willing or not).. what pissed me off was the blatant unsafe driving this guy was doing -


Note to myself: Do NOT slam on the throttle in second gear while holding coffee and steering wheel with the same hand or you'll be the next poster child for what idiotic things MS3 drivers do (burnout)

[Evo Scooter]

Sorry to hear about the Ahole. I hate it when it happens with an Evo driver. They make us all look like aholes. It wasn't me though, I'm in Miami and I can't drive that fast yet, even in the cosmically fast Cosmic Blue MS3? (enguard)

[Mocoso]

Sorry to hear about the Ahole. I hate it when it happens with an Evo driver. They make us all look like aholes. It wasn't me though, I'm in Miami and I can't drive that fast yet, even in the cosmically fast Cosmic Blue MS3? (enguard)

Well you are warned: Im going to try and plagiarize your sig... it came out nice....

[daonly1around]

my bad, i didn't read is statement all the way through... i retract both my previous statements.. i just got so used to seeing people talk about their car can do this and that and this and that... thinks for calling me out... i'm a retard
(stooges) (chair), (hand) (bang)

sorry swampass for not ready your whole post...

[hellcat]

I feel like I should chime in now..lol. I had an MS3 owner be a total jerk to me after I complimented his car. (I drive an EVO). I told the jerk that he had a nice car, and I almost purchased one. He then said "you should have" and speed off. Don't be that guy!!

[Nickd]

I may not have a Ms3 but I hang with corvettes quite well!

[hellcat]

I may not have a Ms3 but I hang with corvettes quite well!

(mswerd)

[Nickd]

(mswerd)
Evo's FTW!!!

[Hyun]

Used to know a guy with EK with 400hp+ gutted. Spanked Z06 with that k20 :D
Hp is estimated.

[djarkitek]

.....hp to the front wheels is just a big waste of time.

that's what people said when the Bergenholtz brothers put wheelie bars on their crx ..then they broke the 9s and everyone shut up then. but yea, i was just kidding, i dont expect anything more than maybe a 600 at the most ever hp ms3....but hey, if they could do it...why not....

[hellcat]

I would like to see the MS3 get Mazda some long overdue respect. Being a jerk will only get you the opposite though.

[C'ville]

Just so my newibe a$$ doesn't get to cocky(first) J/K
Maybe we can get a list of what cars are acceptable to mess with are what cars aren't?

[nvmsp]

Why couldnt a MS3 give you a good race or even beat you. Bet you'd be surprised. I'd say the ms3 is going to beat a c6 on the road.

c6 RIGHT? Not A Z06?

[evilmonkeyMSP]

the new c6 has 400HP.....doubtful the MS3 has anything on it...

[Donas64]

A C6 would show an MS3 its taillights so fast, it would make you DISI!

[ALIEN3T]

mocoso
wasnt me in the la area! and wes 2 days longer than me and you have almost 200 plus miles more than me! lol

i have sat next to vettes in the escort! their rear wheel well is taller than the window sills in my escort! lol wife hates that!

but i still drive mine like a littel old lady. my ms3 if not you get to happy and can watch that gas gauge go down! lol

[Kansei]

A C6 would show an MS3 its taillights so fast, it would make you DISI!
OMG LAWL! (peep)

[nazgul350r]

Note to myself: Do NOT slam on the throttle in second gear while holding coffee and steering wheel with the same hand or you'll be the next poster child for what idiotic things MS3 drivers do (burnout)

Aren't you suppsoe to sue someone when that happens.:)

[SwampAss]

Aren't you suppsoe to sue someone when that happens.:)


I blame ReFlex

[TheDutchGun]

Why couldnt a MS3 give you a good race or even beat you. Bet you'd be surprised. I'd say the ms3 is going to beat a c6 on the road.

c6 RIGHT? Not A Z06?

I beat an MS6 in my Stock 300hp Mustang so I would think an MS3 wouldn't have a hope in hell against a 400hp C6 Vette.

[Mocoso]

Why couldnt a MS3 give you a good race or even beat you. Bet you'd be surprised. I'd say the ms3 is going to beat a c6 on the road.

c6 RIGHT? Not A Z06?

Nope aint going to happen unless grandpa is the one behind the wheel... comparing a few specs between the two:

BOTH cars weight about the same
MS3 has roughly 260 HP/ 280 ftlbs
C6 has roughly 400 HP/ 400 ftlbs
MS3 has 60/40 weight distribution
C6 has nearly 50/50 weight distribution

the c6 is a completly different beast from the MS3, the one thing they both share in common is "hell of a bang for the buck" and a high "fun" coefficient....

(No Im not trying to prove the C6 is better than the MS3 just that they are sufficiently different cars with different goals in mind)

[Mocoso]

I blame ReFlex

Is that our new motto: When in doubt blame ReFlex... (glare) :)

[gone_fishin]

As a joke, I did a little stoplight drag against a corvette in my protege pre-swap. I wanted to see how badly I would lose. It was commical. I think the corvette owner got a good laugh out of it too.

[Mocoso]

mocoso
wasnt me in the la area! and wes 2 days longer than me and you have almost 200 plus miles more than me! lol

i have sat next to vettes in the escort! their rear wheel well is taller than the window sills in my escort! lol wife hates that!

but i still drive mine like a littel old lady. my ms3 if not you get to happy and can watch that gas gauge go down! lol


Didnt realize the escorts were that low hehe.... I know the feeling on the gas gauge trust me.... for some reason it feels worse than it is though... have been managing to get 22-23 mpg with a lot of stomping..

[SwampAss]

Nope aint going to happen unless grandpa is the one behind the wheel... comparing a few specs between the two:

BOTH cars weight about the same
MS3 has roughly 260 HP/ 280 ftlbs
C6 has roughly 400 HP/ 400 ftlbs
MS3 has 60/40 weight distribution
C6 has nearly 50/50 weight distribution

the c6 is a completly different beast from the MS3, the one thing they both share in common is "hell of a bang for the buck" and a high "fun" coefficient....

(No Im not trying to prove the C6 is better than the MS3 just that they are sufficiently different cars with different goals in mind)




I think that some people who are somewhat new to the car scene or have had little seat time in other cars with varying levels of performance will get a false sense about the MS3. The MS3 is very quick for a small performance hatch.
I've ridden in 500hp street cars, a 450hp Viper GTS, a Porsche GT3, and a few other VERY fast cars. While the MS3 is certainly no slouch, there are levels of performance out there that obliterate it. It's hard to imagine just how hard something else can accelerate until you sit your ass in a seat and do it.

Then enter in the whole motorcycle thing. While that's a totally different feeling...you really get an idea how fast and quick something can be with you are nailing 100 in just over 5 seconds.

[Hyun]

gsxr600 baby!~ Bring vette, evo, 911 whatever :X

[ALIEN3T]

Didnt realize the escorts were that low hehe.... I know the feeling on the gas gauge trust me.... for some reason it feels worse than it is though... have been managing to get 22-23 mpg with a lot of stomping..

WELL my escort has had hte perches on the struts removed and spacers made ot make the coilover sleaves sit lower. ( i tuck rim on 17's) and i have mx3 sits (sit like 2 inches lower than stock) so it sits pretty low! lol i ust liek ti that way!

as for my ms3 in street racing i go thte car cause is was a pretty fast car out of the box (and legal) i didnt get it ot race peeps on the road, maybee an autocross or 2 and maybee soem drag nights at tracks. but is was a nice looking handling and power fo a car and it still keeps ht ewife happy.

[SwampAss]

gsxr600 baby!~ Bring vette, evo, 911 whatever :X




And you will LOSE when things get rolling. :)


Bikes are good from 0-130. Cars rule at higher speeds. Bikes are barn doors when it comes to coefficient drag. They also lack torque.

Do a roll on with a C6 vette @ 85mph on a GSXR600. :)

[CTGrey02]

The car isn't fast, it's sporty, and reasonably quick for what it is - a commuter vehicle that allows for smiles on your face. What it is not is a sports car. The car runs 14's stock on the front 2 wheels. The majority of the performance cars out now and coming out are deep in the 13's - 11's on a drag strip. Vettes, Shelby's, Mustangs the new Camaro, the Challenger (depending on engine choice), EVO's, STi's... These were all built with different things in mind.

[justa4banger]

STREET RACING IS THE ONLY WAY TO RACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






Now that the idiot is out of me, i will admit i have done some runs on LEGAL streets against different cars in both my MS3 and my SVO. I refuse to intentionally get on the freeway and run someone. Its just not the place. I regularly take my SVO to the track (thus thr reason my clutch is shot after 7k miles) I haven't had the MS3 to the track or dyno YET. but i see it in the near future.

I have seen guys that run on freeways late at night at 80 punches to 1XX, and i just wonder..........Why? Its not so much i'm worried about them killing themselves, its the inoccent lady, thats going home to papa after a long night at work, i worry about.

I will say this EVERYONE on this planet has momments of stupidity............... why do you think insurance is so popular.

[Familia323]

A C6 would show an MS3 its taillights so fast, it would make you DISI!

Hahaha nice one.

The MS3 is going to be just like the MSP, because its affordability will attract tons of young kids who are new to driving. So, you're inevitably going to have the retarded drivers hauling ass through residential streets and weaving in and out of heavy traffic. What are you gonna do?

[Donas64]

The car isn't fast, it's sporty, and reasonably quick for what it is - a commuter vehicle that allows for smiles on your face. What it is not is a sports car. The car runs 14's stock on the front 2 wheels. The majority of the performance cars out now and coming out are deep in the 13's - 11's on a drag strip. Vettes, Shelby's, Mustangs the new Camaro, the Challenger (depending on engine choice), EVO's, STi's... These were all built with different things in mind.

Bingo!

[C'ville]

The car isn't fast, it's sporty, and reasonably quick for what it is - a commuter vehicle that allows for smiles on your face. What it is not is a sports car. The car runs 14's stock on the front 2 wheels. The majority of the performance cars out now and coming out are deep in the 13's - 11's on a drag strip. Vettes, Shelby's, Mustangs the new Camaro, the Challenger (depending on engine choice), EVO's, STi's... These were all built with different things in mind.

I would have to disagree on the ms3 not being a sports car.
I mean I'm not running around like I have the biggest cock in town or anything and I know my place behind many other cars on the road, but come on (not a sports car)(shocked)
Just my 2cents

[Kansei]

yes, you heard him, not a sports car. it's a sport wagon at best... not that there's anything wrong with that.

[Donas64]

I would have to disagree on the ms3 not being a sports car.
I mean I'm not running around like I have the biggest cock in town or anything and I know my place behind many other cars on the road, but come on (not a sports car)(shocked)
Just my 2cents

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
sports car
–noun a small, high-powered automobile with long, low lines, usually seating two persons.

American Heritage Dictionary -
n. An automobile equipped for racing, especially an aerodynamically shaped one-passenger or two-passenger vehicle having a low center of gravity and steering and suspension designed for precise control at high speeds.

The MS3 is NOT a sports car. Its a sporty hatchback but it is definatley not a sports car. The Miata is Much more of a sports car than the MS3 will ever be despite being MUCH slower You want reasons?

1. It's got 4 doors: Most true sports cars have 2 doors
2. It's Front wheel drive: most true sports cars are RWD
3. It's tooo HEAVY: The MS3 weighs over 3300 pounds
4. It's not very aerodynamic
5. It's center of gravity is far too high
6. It's Front wheel drive
7. It's Front wheel drive
8. It's Front wheel drive

In conclusion, while being a very fast, very sporty hatchback, the MS3 is most definatly not a sports car.

[C'ville]

Interesting web definition of a sports car

A simple definition of a sports car is "a small low car with a high-powered engine, and generally seats two people". This is more or less a "textbook" definition but gives us an idea of what the public perceives to be a sports car.

The Houghton Mifflin dictionary defines a sports car as: "An automobile equipped for racing, especially an aerodynamically shaped one-passenger or two-passenger vehicle having a low center of gravity and steering and suspension designed for precise control at high speeds". This dictionary definition does not seem to capture the general perception of what the public sees as a sports car.

The Houghton Mifflin definition of the "two seat rule" seems out-of-date. Many sports cars today offer small back seats (sometimes referred to as 2+2 seating) and there is a current movement underway to increase the seating room in models long considered sports cars by most automotive experts.

Insurance companies use their own formula in classifying automobiles and often the presence of two doors automatically makes any car a "sports car" in their eyes. This perspective, of course, is as overly simplistic as the standard dictionary approach to defining a sports car. One can certainly think of any number of two door vehicles that fall far short of being an actual sports car. Economy cars and even larger two-door vehicles that are not built with power and performance in mind should not qualify as true sports cars.

Some car buffs will refer to high-performance muscle cars and other larger vehicles as sports cars. Others, however, draw a distinction between these vehicles and "true" sports cars. These individuals will claim that a car can be a "sporting car" or simply "sporty" but still fall short of being a true sports car. Thus, "regular" cars may be outfitted with a "sports package" and/or accessories to make the car sportier, but may not fit a strict definition of a sports car.

Not all automotive enthusiasts, however, embrace this restrictive view of sports cars. In many circles, a sports car is any car offering greater performance or power than more standard offerings. This school of thought will consider muscle cars and other larger vehicles designed with performance in mind as sports cars.

Others will maintain that the distinction between a sports car and any other type of car lies in how the car's suspension and handling are addressed. Technical debates rage over whether various suspension packages qualify as belonging to true "sports cars".

Some will argue that a sports car can be defined by its intentions. If the car is designed for performance more so than for utility, they say, it is a sports car. This intent-based definition, however, provides little guidance in determining whether a car is a sports car or not. Particularly in the modern era, the notion of designing a car of any sort without significant consideration of its feasibility and utility seems unlikely. Any commercially viable vehicle, regardless of its performance, must retain significant utility.

Road and Track, a leading automotive publication, summarizes the sports card definition debate with a simple observation: "Ask five people the exact definition of a sports car, and you'll likely get five different answers".

There is no clear-cut definition of what really is a sports car. The restrictive definitions of the past seem ill suited to categorize today's' diverse automotive offerings and common usage of the term runs contrary to most long-held definitions.

There is, however, a common thought that seems to run through almost all of the outlooks on the meaning of "sports car". If a car is designed with high performance or race-like capabilities in mind, it can probably be safely termed a sports car. Some purists may balk at such a liberal perspective, but alternative definitions fall far short of accurately distinguishing sports cars form regular production models.

By David Chandler
Published: 2/16/2006

[C'ville]

Woops u beat me too it..
But it does state there is no clear cut defininition of what a sports car is.
Anyway f it I will give It's a sports wagon..:)

[Donas64]

There is your prototypical definition of sports car. There is some leeway.

For example, cars like the BMW M3, Audi RS4, Cadillac CTS-V, e.t.c have a lot of the characteristics of the prototypical sports car so they are called sports sedans or coupes.

But the MS3 by virtue of being FWD alone, this just about totally disqualifies it form being a sports car.

Theres a reason why you don't seea lot of FWD race-cars.

There is lee-way in the definition of what a sports car is but to call the MS3 a sports car is a stretch I'm not willing to make.

Its VERY good for what it is but a sports car, it is not.

[CTGrey02]

A true sports car is 2 or less passenger capacity high powered and RWD. Of the ones I mentioned, only the Vette is a sports car. The rest were pony cars or based off rally cars. The MS3 is a sport compact. - FWD, high powered econo car. The basis of this car was never designed for high performance competition like a Vette, Porche, Lotus ect..

[Donas64]

http://car-reviews.automobile.com/images/cars/ArtImages/21224/alt01.jpg

http://www.leblogauto.com/images/moteurg55bis.jpg

The G55 AMG has a V8 with 469 horsepower and 516 pound-feet of torque.
The handbuilt 5.5-liter supercharged V-8 to can get to 62 mph in 5.6 seconds, setting it squarely next to the Porsche Cayenne Turbo in terms of 0-to-60 track performance.

Look me in the eye and tell me that since its as fast as the porshe and makes big HP and torque numbers that it can be called a sports car or sports truck or whatever.

Theres wiggle room as to the definition, but the MS3 is not a sports car

BTW: This is all in the spirit of good fun debate. No malice on my part, I very much like the MS3 and would own one in a heartbeat.

[Donas64]

Sports Car?

http://aardvark.co.nz/pjet/images/jethonda3.jpg

http://aardvark.co.nz/pjet/images/jethonda1.jpg

http://aardvark.co.nz/pjet/images/jetscooter.jpg (sports scooter)

http://aardvark.co.nz/pjet/images/crazy3.jpg

[CTGrey02]

I want to see them negotiate a hairpin turn. LOL technically they use thrust to move, not powering the rear wheels to drive.

[Donas64]

I want to see them negotiate a hairpin turn. LOL technically they use thrust to move, not powering the rear wheels to drive.

I know, I'm just being silly.

[justa4banger]

Only one true SPORTS CAR in the world. Bugatti VERYON (spelling)
16 cyl, 4 turbos, 1001 hp and 260+ top speed. thats a F@#$ING SPORTS CAR!

:EDIT: Def. of a sports car is, a car that is only attainable by the elite members of society. Like the above mentioned vehicle. a Corvette though nice is not a true sports car. the ZO6 on the other hand might be. (stirring the pot rrrreeeaaallllllll slow :D )

Oh and my MS3 :D

Whats a mustang? Sports car? or ???

[CTGrey02]

Mustang, Camaro, Firebird, Dart, Challenger, Cuda, Original charger... they were all pony cars. Too small to be muscle cars, and too many seats to be a sports car. The vette is a sports car. Thats it's only role in life. The Viper is also a sports car. Those cars were designed with competition in mind. Vettes even have their transmissions in the back of the car and their engines in the front for weight distribution. T56's are huge transmissions. The Z06 just takes it a bit further. The damned floor pans on that thing is made of balsa wood and carbon fiber.

[Donas64]

Some say the Z06 is so light, it would float if placed in a tub of water (peep)

[Donas64]

Only one true SPORTS CAR in the world. Bugatti VERYON (spelling)
16 cyl, 4 turbos, 1001 hp and 260+ top speed. thats a F@#$ING SPORTS CAR!

:EDIT: Def. of a sports car is, a car that is only attainable by the elite members of society. Like the above mentioned vehicle. a Corvette though nice is not a true sports car. the ZO6 on the other hand might be. (stirring the pot rrrreeeaaallllllll slow :D )

Oh and my MS3 :D

Whats a mustang? Sports car? or ???

(shocked) (poke) (enguard) (omg)

[justa4banger]

Well i'm setting up my "PONY" car mustang to Whoop up on Silly Corvette Owners. On top of that, I'm going to Really hurt their feelings by showing them my silly 2.3 turbo motor.

I love my SVO, though sometimes i could just set a brick on the pedal and have a beer. Did i mention Dynamite............. :D
When the car does run right and not break stuff, it sure is a hoot to drive. Even more fun with unsuspecting V8 Owners. I love going to the local track (though they are getting used to seeing me) and setting up a race. then running them, and coming back poping the hood. It never fails someone always walks away pissed that it wasn't just another Mustang that beat them, IT WAS A *Bleeping* 4CYL.

Ok back to topic: Yea i hate idiot drivers kill them all. :D

[Mocoso]

Well i'm setting up my "PONY" car mustang to Whoop up on Silly Corvette Owners. On top of that, I'm going to Really hurt their feelings by showing them my silly 2.3 turbo motor.

I love my SVO, though sometimes i could just set a brick on the pedal and have a beer. Did i mention Dynamite............. :D
When the car does run right and not break stuff, it sure is a hoot to drive. Even more fun with unsuspecting V8 Owners. I love going to the local track (though they are getting used to seeing me) and setting up a race. then running them, and coming back poping the hood. It never fails someone always walks away pissed that it wasn't just another Mustang that beat them, IT WAS A *Bleeping* 4CYL.

Ok back to topic: Yea i hate idiot drivers kill them all. :D

Bring on that "PONY" of yours (glare).. Ill go win the lotto and get meself a Silly Blue Devil Corvette and we decide up at Willow Springs Raceway which turbo car is more silly (enguard) (first)

I have to admit the turns this thread has taken has been rather amusing... triple jet engines... LOL! thanks everyone I needed the laughs... now if the damn stereo shop would finish my amp installs... getting impatient....

back on topic: no need to kill the idiots just restrict them to the slow lane

[Wes]

Only one true SPORTS CAR in the world. Bugatti VERYON (spelling)
16 cyl, 4 turbos, 1001 hp and 260+ top speed. thats a F@#$ING SPORTS CAR!

:EDIT: Def. of a sports car is, a car that is only attainable by the elite members of society. Like the above mentioned vehicle. a Corvette though nice is not a true sports car. the ZO6 on the other hand might be. (stirring the pot rrrreeeaaallllllll slow :D )


Actually the Corvette would be more a Sports Car by definition of "Sports". The Veyron is actually beyond the realm of tradition sports cars, which is why we have the class of "Super Car". The Veyron is a Super Car. LOL

MS3 is a Sports Compact AND it's a car... therefore it must be a Sports (Compact) Car

I'm just throwing logs in the fire. But I think my Super Car theory is very well thought out. Indeeed.

[Rotus8]

A bit off topic, but in line with the definition of "Sports". I took a flight from California to Washington DC with a rear axle housing as checked baggage; I was delivering it to my chassis builder and fortunately was sent on a business trip at that time. It was wrapped in heavy cardboard. At the check in I was prepared to pay a fee for excess bagage and when the clerk was trying to figure out what to charge me, the guy at the next desk chimes in "Is that sports equipment? Sports equipment is free!" So of course I said yes (well it was for a sports car). They filled out this form and when the description line was to be filled in asked me what to put - I said it's a "sports thing" so that's what they put in the form. Beat the hell out of paying for freight!

Sports car is all in how you think. A Caddy can be a sports car if it is driven properly. A Miata can be a cruiser too. YMMV

[SwampAss]

Some say the Z06 is so light, it would float if placed in a tub of water (peep)



My beetle will too.

[Familia323]

Well i'm setting up my "PONY" car mustang to Whoop up on Silly Corvette Owners. On top of that, I'm going to Really hurt their feelings by showing them my silly 2.3 turbo motor.

I love my SVO, though sometimes i could just set a brick on the pedal and have a beer. Did i mention Dynamite............. :D
When the car does run right and not break stuff, it sure is a hoot to drive. Even more fun with unsuspecting V8 Owners. I love going to the local track (though they are getting used to seeing me) and setting up a race. then running them, and coming back poping the hood. It never fails someone always walks away pissed that it wasn't just another Mustang that beat them, IT WAS A *Bleeping* 4CYL.

Hey now! Why do people always have to assume that Vette drivers are assholes that don't appreciate other cars for what they are?(poke):)

[SwampAss]

That's like saying all Jeep Wrangler drivers are date rapists who are on the Rugby team when in reality, it's only 40% who are.

[CTGrey02]

I bet we could make a killing off 40%'r bumper stickers for em

[SwampAss]

I like your thinking.

[Evo Scooter]

Well you are warned: Im going to try and plagiarize your sig... it came out nice....

I have a friend who is real good with Photoshop. :D

[hellcat]

Nice car scooter!!!

[Evo Scooter]

Nice car scooter!!!

Thanks! Eh...... Which one? (Say "both" or the WIFE will get angry. ) LOL

[smo0f]

both. wink, wink.