Stock MS3 vs RSX-S

[Airmack]

What would win in a race? the Acura has a few bolt ons (intake, cat-back).

[CitizenPro]

You should win bro....thats if your a good driver :D

[Shift_Lost]

hell even if your a bad driver you should take him,

they are only 200hp, few bolt ons maybe 210

You got 260/280tq if you lose, You didnt try

[Newf]

you could have 5 people in the car, groceries in the trunk, and one arm tied behind your back, and still win.

If he's stock, no contest.

[pro00]

what is the potential of the rsx-s though? I know i could go and look in their forums, but i am wondering if anybody have friends that drive an RSX- S and spend no more than 3K in performance mods and got good and note worthy results?

[tru-boost]

an rsx-s is like a 15 sec car with bolt ons ! the ms3 does 14.2 on a bad day and one aussie owner had hown consecutive 13.9 passes ...all stock.

[sandspeed]

i say it would be a good race because a bolt-on rsx-s is definently a 14 sec. car. If the rsx is tuned well, it could take the speed3...

[Airmack]

Let's change the situation... I will have a CAI and a turbo-back exhaust by the time the race happens... The guy won't have anything else done, and he does not know how to tune...

And also, stock MS3 vs RSX-S, from roll, who would win?

Its bugging me because these people say that my car is so much slower, and they have no idea...

[CitizenPro]

Your gonna rape em.

Ur seriously are going to win.....people just hear stupid things and believe it cause the hype is so big with the MS3 right now people want it to fail. I wouldnt worry bout it so much....

About a year ago I raced a type-S in my Speed @ 8psi with just a cutout, everything else stock. I had a car on em, but nobody really pulled away.....pretty much the same for the SC Cobalt SS, both from rolls. I have no doubt in my mind, U WILL WIN.

Just dont suck at driving :)

[Rotary_Powered]

Type S has 210hp stock. best mod for them is a supercharger the k20 makes 300hp easy. But yeah the MS3 should difinately win the RSX-S with bolt ons' should make more than about 218hp.

[CitizenPro]

Yea, the jackson kit for them puts down some nice numbers....

[VermZ06]

MS3 has about a million more tq than the acura and gobs more hp. MS3 will dust an RSX-S even if the RSX has a few mods. Once third gear hits adios vtec.

[Speed_Racer]

what is the potential of the rsx-s though? I know i could go and look in their forums, but i am wondering if anybody have friends that drive an RSX- S and spend no more than 3K in performance mods and got good and note worthy results?

yes, i've raped a couple rsx's, & tsx's at 4psi. but anyways

One of my best friends has an 02 RSX S, and he spent about 3K on a Cybernation turbo kit and just recently dynoed at 366hp@9-9.5psi.

they're really neat cars, i'd drive one.

[210_ZOOM]

try to get a vid, and get ready for the stories. You jumped, you were hustling me, you....you.....you....cheated. They will be very upset if they dont know whats gonna hit em. Cant wait to see this story transfered to the street battles and kills section. Post the story asa u kill em.

[Rally Ninja]

Didn't they lower the RSX-s hp down to 200hp? Come to think of it they lowered a few of hondas hp rating down about 10hp.

[nvmsp]

ok at first, i thoght you had a msp. I raced one bone stock, he had at least exhaust and I shifted like shit and was basically flooring it. We were neck and neck even with his vtec screaming. Now i was STOCK.

You have a MS3, come on bro, you really shouldnt even waste ur time racing that shit. Race something with a turbo.

You would anal rape him.

[Rotary_Powered]

Didn't they lower the RSX-s hp down to 200hp? Come to think of it they lowered a few of hondas hp rating down about 10hp.
Depends on the year the newer ones had more.
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/2002-to-2006-acura-rsx-4.htm

"Two 2.0-liter, dual-overhead-cam four-cylinder engines have been available in the RSX. Base models used a 160-horsepower version, while the Type-S got a 200-horsepower variant, which grows to 210-hp in 2005. Only a six-speed manual gearbox came with the Type-S......"

[dread]

dam those engine have no torque

[mmm]

i say it would be a good race because a bolt-on rsx-s is definently a 14 sec. car. If the rsx is tuned well, it could take the speed3

yea the type -s with the usual bolt ons ; intake ,exhaust ,headers will do mid 13 s

[djarkitek]

JUST RACE AND SEE. lol

[tritonheat1]

stock vs stock u'll murder him but if he has I/H/E and Hondata Reflash #4. I think he might get u!! here's a video of a 02-04 RSX's with I/H/E, Hondata Reflash #4 and The trunk Gutted!! it goes from 15-125mph in 16-17sec also so i don't know http://videos.streetfire.net/search/15-125mph/0/c567c79e-3438-4021-ac16-165ceee35020.htm Enjoy!!

[Airmack]

Man, this is lively!

It is going to be a while before I race him, we just got dumped with snow and I think more is coming, so this will give me more time to get stuff for my car. But, I don't understand how that thing is even as fast as it is with such low torque... I mean the type S and the regular engine have the same torque... and power is made at like 5000 rpm...

Anyone know the top speed of the RSX-S?

[matsuda]

yea the type -s with the usual bolt ons ; intake ,exhaust ,headers will do mid 13 s
Yes, with Hondata and a few bolt-ons, it is a 13 second car.

It is hilarious that everyone is quoting HP numbers. Using that line of reasoning, a Honda Odyssey minivan (which has 240 HP) will beat a RSX-S.

[matsuda]

I don't understand how that thing is even as fast as it is with such low torque... I mean the type S and the regular engine have the same torque... and power is made at like 5000 rpm...


Perhaps you don't fully understand the relationship between HP and torque.

The Honda is switching over to the high-lift cam at the same time that the MS3 is running out of breath.

If (hypothetically speaking) the Honda could maintain it's modest torque up to a redline of 10,000 RPM, it wouldn't even be close.

[Gandalf]

yea the type -s with the usual bolt ons ; intake ,exhaust ,headers will do mid 13 s

Lol, only if "usually bolt ons" is a suprcharger and drag slicks. What are you smoking? Its a 15.1 second car base. My old Spec-V could take one for god sakes.

[Airmack]

I just don't get V-TEC...

[RPI-Speed3]

Perhaps you don't fully understand the relationship between HP and torque.

The Honda is switching over to the high-lift cam at the same time that the MS3 is running out of breath.

If (hypothetically speaking) the Honda could maintain it's modest torque up to a redline of 10,000 RPM, it wouldn't even be close.

No way, not even a chance. My other car is low torque (RX-8) and what you are missing is that from 0-7000 rpms the car has nothing there. Now granted my RX-8 revs faster due to light flywheel and tuning, but it still takes some time to get there. Even when I hit my peak torque, I don't think its more than 140 ft/lbs to the wheels, maybe 150. Meanwhile, the MS3 is putting down massive torque @ 3000 rpms.

[RPI-Speed3]

yes, i've raped a couple rsx's, & tsx's at 4psi. but anyways

One of my best friends has an 02 RSX S, and he spent about 3K on a Cybernation turbo kit and just recently dynoed at 366hp@9-9.5psi.

they're really neat cars, i'd drive one.

get the heck out, are you serious? that car goes from 200hp to 366hp with a turbo running 9psi? i want to see that dyno sheet. no disrespect, but until i do :bs:

[Pyr0TeK]

...second :bs: flag flying here...

Maybe it's a T-80? hehe... lol.. uhhh... not.

[Hyun]

No contest. Friend of mine has 06 Type S and I recently purchased speed 3. Gave him 2 car length. By 3rd gear he was behind me. Honda just have no torque. No disrespect tho.

PS. He said it wasnt fair race because his car was not turbo charged. We paid same amt of money for our cars and he has to put couple more grand to keep up with me xD.

[Pyr0TeK]

No contest. Friend of mine has 06 Type S and I recently purchased speed 3. Gave him 2 car length. By 3rd gear he was behind me. Honda just have no torque. No disrespect tho.

PS. He said it wasnt fair race because his car was not turbo charged. We paid same amt of money for our cars and he has to put couple more grand to keep up with me xD.
YAY!... exactly... best car for the HP's and $$$

[FlyinHawaiian]

Yo, seriously... I've driven both a Type-S and my friend's Sentra SE-R, and pounded both of them to see how fast. The Type-S didn't feel any faster than the SE-R, which I know is a 14-ish second car. Hell, I keep up with him in my NA Protege.

And don't get me started on the superb handling of the RSX (or should I say the lack of). I threw it into a turn that I take all the time in my car at no higher of a speed or ferocity. The nose pushed and then the back snapped away and gave me a surprising (but well controlled) drift around the corner. Scared the crap out of me.

I hate those cars...

[matsuda]

No way, not even a chance. My other car is low torque (RX-8) and what you are missing is that from 0-7000 rpms the car has nothing there. Now granted my RX-8 revs faster due to light flywheel and tuning, but it still takes some time to get there. Even when I hit my peak torque, I don't think its more than 140 ft/lbs to the wheels, maybe 150. Meanwhile, the MS3 is putting down massive torque @ 3000 rpms.
The bottom line is that HP/weight (not torque) is what really matters for acceleration.

With more torque, you may be able to accelerate faster out of the hole (assuming that you can get traction) but a car with a better HP/weight ratio would catch up once it is operating in it's powerband.

A Lotus Exige produces even less torque than a RSX-S. Do you really think that the MS3 could beat it in a drag race?

[Rotary_Powered]

Top speed : 145 mph
0-60 mph : 6.7 sec.('02-'04), 6.5 sec.('05)
0-¼ mile : 15.2 sec @ 92.7 mph('02-'04)
60-0 braking distance : 135 ft
200 ft skidpad : 0.86 g

Curb Weight : 2769-2840 lbs

[avarela86]

The MS3 should win hands down. Specially if it will be modded. If the RSX was modded you may see him get close.

[Mocoso]

The bottom line is that HP/weight (not torque) is what really matters for acceleration.

With more torque, you may be able to accelerate faster out of the hole (assuming that you can get traction) but a car with a better HP/weight ratio would catch up once it is operating in it's powerband.

A Lotus Exige produces even less torque than a RSX-S. Do you really think that the MS3 could beat it in a drag race?

I agree with your post except you make it seem as if torque doesnt matter for acceleration.. reality is that both HP and Torque play an important role in acceleration...marketing folks at car companies would love us to forget power to weight ratios... you see all this HP numbers thrown out and nobody mentions weight. (think Dodge Charger....)

[redrims]

an rsx-s is like a 15 sec car with bolt ons ! the ms3 does 14.2 on a bad day and one aussie owner had hown consecutive 13.9 passes ...all stock.

You must seen some terrible drivers in those RXS's. With just I/H/E and new clutch, my friend ran very low 14s.

Either way, you should win. I'm sure the MS3 can pull high 13s stock with a good driver.


Yes, with Hondata and a few bolt-ons, it is a 13 second car.

Hondata does wonders. Wish they messed with Mazdas.

[redrims]

get the heck out, are you serious? that car goes from 200hp to 366hp with a turbo running 9psi? i want to see that dyno sheet. no disrespect, but until i do :bs:

That's completely true. That cybernation kit is rediculous. I've seen 310hp at just 7psi. Too bad they didn't use better product. I'll try to find some sheets.

[zoom-zoomhatch]

Lol, only if "usually bolt ons" is a suprcharger and drag slicks. What are you smoking? Its a 15.1 second car base. My old Spec-V could take one for god sakes.
If your raced a type S from a stop in a spec V you should have got him off the line and then he would have passed you about 3rd-4th. And I've seen quite a few fast rsx's. There's a guy living in town with not a very large turbo kit making well over 400, that k20 responds really well to some mods.

[redrims]

These are just "Stage 1" Cybernation kits: (there are better kits out now)

389whp 270wtq (http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=301389&highlight=cybernation+dyno)

350WHP CN1 RSX-S...(Video) http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=396390&highlight=cybernation+dyno


Stage 1 Completely stock block...
http://www.intrinsicperformance.com/images/turbo/na-vs-turbo.gif


At 9psi 330whp 220wtq http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=269957


I could go on and on...

2006 Civic Si for giggles...372hp http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=434537&highlight=dyno

[Hambino]

The man isn't kidding. I've seen some outrageous RSX numbers via forced induction. Not to mention, numerous high 13 N/A RSX's. They can be very quick, just not stock, or anywhere near it.

[avarela86]

I believe it too, Cybernation IS the place to get a kit. Don't hate RPI-Speed3 Honda just has more R&D in their motors. I got beat by a new CIVIC Si a couple weeks ago. I wonderd why and that's when he told me he had 376WHP at 7PSI. He was waiting to go 10PSi on stock internals. Honda FTW!

[Hikaru9]

My last car was an RSX (sold and got an MS3).

Now... I haven't raced these two cars side by side, but even with my limited knowledge, I believe my current MS3 will win easily. Sure I loved my RSX, but the MS3 just has so much more power that you can feel with your body.

If the RSX had forced induction, that would be a completely different story, however. Correct me if I'm wrong, but RSX is also about 500lbs lighter. *^_^* The thing I definitely miss from the RSX is the awesome shifter, and my MS3 shifter feels down right crappy compared to it - rubbery with long throws with vague gates: you sometimes get stuck while shifting to 3rd in a hurry.

Bottom line - I guess it'd be hard to tell unless you clarify what those "bolt-ons" are.

Skimming through some of the posts above, I see that some people are quite enthusiastic about near 400hp RSX and Civics. I'm sure its performance is unbeatable in a straight line; nevertheless, I bet its track times are laughable. (so much power in FWD layout = >_< )
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/10495/sport-acura-rsx-challenge.html

Above article is just one showcase which indicates that power isn't everything. (500whp RSX?) Some people live their lives a 1/4 mile at a time (Vin Diesel in FF lol~), and I respect that; nonetheless, that's just not my idea of "racing". *^_^*

[Hyun]

No doubt Boosted RSXs are fast. Power increase with Hondata is ridiculous too. But if i wanted a car that go fast straight line, i probably woudnt have spent 20+k on a car. I would have gotten gutted EK with k20 with boost. It would eat Boosted RSX for breakfast and most cars on the road.

But that's not the type of car im looking for. The perfect car in my opinion is car that have decent power, handles corner well, and practical enough to use as daily driver. This is why i dont regret buying speed3. Not many cars offer all that in a car.

[redrims]

Above article is just one showcase which indicates that power isn't everything. (500whp RSX?) Some people live their lives a 1/4 mile at a time (Vin Diesel in FF lol~), and I respect that; nonetheless, that's just not my idea of "racing". *^_^*

True only if you're a serious road racer. For us average folks, racing occurs on the highway of I-95 or similar. I'll be dam if I race someone through the city, turns, and ramps just because I know it can handle better.

Even when you go to the street races, who says "Okay. Here's the track. We're going to go to the first light, make a right. Hit the second ramp that turns about 180*. Turn at Maple St, then a hard left on Brently Rd. Then the straight-away is back to the starting point."? Sorry, but it just doesn't happen that way. I'll be happy with more performance under the hood than a highly superb handling car. Unless you auto-x a lot, most aren't going to take the car's handling to its limits.

[FlyinHawaiian]

True only if you're a serious road racer. For us average folks, racing occurs on the highway of I-95 or similar. I'll be dam if I race someone through the city, turns, and ramps just because I know it can handle better.

Even when you go to the street races, who says "Okay. Here's the track. We're going to go to the first light, make a right. Hit the second ramp that turns about 180*. Turn at Maple St, then a hard left on Brently Rd. Then the straight-away is back to the starting point."? Sorry, but it just doesn't happen that way. I'll be happy with more performance under the hood than a highly superb handling car. Unless you auto-x a lot, most aren't going to take the car's handling to its limits.

Shit dude, you should know better, living in Maryland and such. Fine, you cruise down to Rockville or on I-270 or whatever and get into a tangle on a straight line, but I get a nearly equal number of challenges on the back roads around there or up here in State College, PA. And when that RSX (which it HAS happened a couple of times) gets up on my ass on a country road and tries to stay with me, there's no contest. You get the same respect points on either end. Its not all about straight line speed: It's what you do with it.

-Jeff

[Hikaru9]

True only if you're a serious road racer. For us average folks, racing occurs on the highway of I-95 or similar. I'll be dam if I race someone through the city, turns, and ramps just because I know it can handle better.

Even when you go to the street races, who says "Okay. Here's the track. We're going to go to the first light, make a right. Hit the second ramp that turns about 180*. Turn at Maple St, then a hard left on Brently Rd. Then the straight-away is back to the starting point."? Sorry, but it just doesn't happen that way. I'll be happy with more performance under the hood than a highly superb handling car. Unless you auto-x a lot, most aren't going to take the car's handling to its limits.

I take the liberty of assuming that your definition of "performance" is straight line only. Obviously my perspective is different since I see the word "performance" to cover a wide variety of a vehicle's characteristics, such as acceleration, lateral acceleration, as well as braking.

Maybe I'm getting old, but I see racing on the public roads as something very irresponsible that puts you and other motorists in danger. I used to drive in a way I drive cars in video games, but (as I got older) everything changed when I realized that there's no reset/ continue button in real life. I'm not calling any of the forum members irresponsible but merely pointing out the dangerous consequences involved with the street racing scene.

Different cars appeal to different people. I chose an MS3 because I enjoy driving on twisty mountain roads while having the need to carry people and musical instruments from time to time. I'm sure some people enjoy its straight line torque induced performance more which is perfectly fine. Some wince at the 190HP rating of the Lotus Elise while to me it's one of the most desirable cars. *^_^*

[redrims]

Well the MS3 wins either way.... underhood performance or handling performance.

I'm just saying that its rare for me to take my cars handling to its limits. I don't really auto-x.

BTW, I never go to Rockville. I hate it. You couldn't get me to go there if you had naked women there holding a million dollars for me. I rarely run my car at the street races cause thats too much attention for me. But when I do race, I usually find it being late at night on the highway. Nothing planned, just spontaneous. Just having probably an evo or stang pull up to me and tempt me, so I hit it as long as its safe to do so.

I don't do back roads. People have tried to get me to do it, but its not me. To scary for me. All I keep thinking is, "I wonder when that deer is going to pop out". I'll take on back roads solo, but never with another car. If he crashes, I'll feel guiltly. If I crash, I'll be pist and in pain.

[BKK Jack]

..Maybe I'm getting old, but I see racing on the public roads as something very irresponsible that puts you and other motorists in danger. I used to drive in a way I drive cars in video games, but (as I got older) everything changed when I realized that there's no reset/ continue button in real life. I'm not calling any of the forum members irresponsible but merely pointing out the dangerous consequences involved with the street racing scene...

I couldn't agree with you more. After doing multiple track days on my bike, I found myself leaving a much larger safety margin when riding or driving on the streets. There are just too many variables when driving on public roads.

Although I will admit there is some skill involved in straight-line racing, the real fun is on a track (not oval). If two wheels isn't your thing, try carting. It's an absolute blast!