ATP 3071R complete kit install

[4DRHTRD]

Step 1:
Remove 2nd cat and remove 2nd O2 sensor (make sure to work sensor in/out and don't force. Use lot's of PTB. Also remove the pipe between 1st cat and 2nd cat (curved pipe about 8" long)


http://www.azspeed6.com/images/TurboKitInstall/Second-O2.jpg
Picture of my ATP VES (virtual exhaust system aka boost activated cutout).


http://www.azspeed6.com/images/TurboKitInstall/ATP-VES.jpg
Step 2.
Remove factory intercooler (in my case pictures show the custom liquid to air IC I had made)


http://www.azspeed6.com/images/TurboKitInstall/intercooler-removed.jpg
More pics of Step 2


http://www.azspeed6.com/images/TurboKitInstall/intercooler-removed-1.jpg
More pics of Step 2


http://www.azspeed6.com/images/TurboKitInstall/intercooler-removed-2.jpg
Step 3.
Remove heat shields from the top of the exhaust manifold and around the turbo.


http://www.azspeed6.com/images/TurboKitInstall/heat-shields.jpg
Pictures of heat shields removed.


http://www.azspeed6.com/images/TurboKitInstall/exhaust-manifold.jpg
Pictures of heat shields removed.


http://www.azspeed6.com/images/TurboKitInstall/exhaust-manifold-1.jpg
Pictures of heat shields removed.


http://www.azspeed6.com/images/TurboKitInstall/exhaust-manifold-2.jpg
Step 4.
Remove exhaust manifold (the bolt underneath the manifold is FUN!!! - we used a 14mm ratcheting closed end wrench)


http://www.azspeed6.com/images/TurboKitInstall/exhaust-manifold-removed.jpg
More pics of factory exhaust manifold removed


http://www.azspeed6.com/images/TurboKitInstall/exhaust-manifold-removed-1.jpg
Another picture of factory exhaust manifold removed


http://www.azspeed6.com/images/TurboKitInstall/exhaust-manifold-removed-2.jpg
Another picture of factory exhaust manifold removed


http://www.azspeed6.com/images/TurboKitInstall/exhaust-manifold-removed-3.jpg
Step 5.
Remove catalytic converter up through the top of the motor as it comes right out!


http://www.azspeed6.com/images/TurboKitInstall/cat-removed.jpg
Pictures of cat out


http://www.azspeed6.com/images/TurboKitInstall/stockturbo.jpg



Step 6.
Remove factory intake system and misc lines and bolts from the factory turbo. Remove the battery tray as it allows access to the a bolt on the drivers side that secures the turbo as well. Remove the oil and coolant lines from the factory turbo.


http://www.azspeed6.com/images/TurboKitInstall/turbocomparison1.jpg
Comparison pictue of the stock vs 3071R Turbo


http://www.azspeed6.com/images/TurboKitInstall/turbocomparison2.jpg
Step 7.
Put the 3071R turbo back in where the factory turbo came out!


http://www.azspeed6.com/images/TurboKitInstall/3071R-in.jpg


More to come tomorrow!!!

I forgot to put in, remove the hood once you put the car back on the ground!!!
My head is still killling me from hitting it so much.

[yashart_mp3]

WOW! Cant wait to see what this bad boy does for you :) Props to you my friend

[chowhoundMSP]

Incredible stuff!

Cant wait to see more pics, including one of the smile on your face after the first test drive!

[freekwonder]

nice pictures. Looks to becomeing along nicely.

[wicked]

I wanna see what kind of difference you get out of a this(I had no idea the stocker was so pathetic)

[4DRHTRD]

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[forrestang]

U are the man 4DR!!!!

[4DRHTRD]

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[Kansei]

WOW can't wait to see more. I really like that v-band setup that ATP does, does it work well?

[4DRHTRD]

WOW can't wait to see more. I really like that v-band setup that ATP does, does it work well?
Yes, I can install and de-install the DP in about 5 minutes now...
:)

[Kansei]

I hate you for that.. I still haven't figured out how to bolt the last bolt on my corksport downpipe (mazdaspeed protege turbo kit) (http://picasaweb.google.com/clauretano/TurboProject/photo#5013404423119783218)

[Killer]

Wow. Going to beef up the drive line at all to handle all this HP? And I guess warranty is out the window?

Awesome set up.

BTW: Lived in Tempe for 12 years...I miss AZ.

[4DRHTRD]

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[StuttersC]

Looks like a lot of work....

[4DRHTRD]

Took me 2 days but I could do it in about 6 hours now.
:)

[4DRHTRD]

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[Rainman]

4DRHTRD....quite simply....YOU ROCK! That is an outstanding write-up! Great job brother. Glad to see all that you are doing from this grassroots level.

R

[Hambino]

Looks awesome, how is your clutch taking the new power?

[jrodhotrod]

Very nicely done! Great stuff and an excellent write-up.

[4DRHTRD]

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[VA03Speed]

Nice I want that turbo on my ms6 when I get the money.

[msp35]

I hate you for that.. I still haven't figured out how to bolt the last bolt on my corksport downpipe (mazdaspeed protege turbo kit) (http://picasaweb.google.com/clauretano/TurboProject/photo#5013404423119783218)

Sorry bout the offtopic post, but this looks like your dp must have been made wrong. I don't see room for anything, unless you want to heat/bend an open end wrench.

Oh yeah, and 4drhotrod, congrats on the swap can't wait for the dyno.

[jcgemt2003]

325-350whp = 12.3-12.6 1/4mile ETA........Oh yeah!!!!!!!!!!!

[jcgemt2003]

I personally could live with a 12.9-13.1 sec 1/4mile. I will be ordering my XD and have it dyno tuned sometime in Feb...I will post results...I intend to have the TMIC upgrade added to the already installed CAI and Turboback. I wll be shooting for 300whp. If they r getting 288whp on the speed3 I would expect that the speed6 will be around the 275whp mark. An additional 25whp should be no problem if the map the XD comes with is , and I qoute "very conservative."

[trees]

Strip opens end of March, I have to see your car up there!

[4DRHTRD]

Strip is open here, I'm going tomorrow night after getting the car dyno'd.
:D

[nazgul350r]

Waiting for dyno and strip numbers!

You guys are making me want to upgrade to a 6 or 3.

[4DRHTRD]

Just got home from the track.
Here's the dyno:
http://www.azspeed6.com/images/bestdyno.jpg

Here's the video of the dyno and track
http://www.azspeed6.com/movies/untunedatpturbo.wmv

I'm getting the XEDE installed on the 15th, hopefully it'll make gigantic improvements. With the cutout open I was seeing as much as 19 PSI in 4th gear....

[redrims]

Did you lose some tq?

Well anywayz, can't wait to see that sucker tuned!

[chaos2015]

that sucks that your hitting fuel cut

[ademan]

learn how to launch your car before you go back to the track.also why is the car breaking up on the dyno,heat soak intercooler pulling timing back or fuel cut, also the Air/water inetrcooler are not practical for daily driver, they are design for track only. they tend to heat soak faster than regular intercooler.

[Mr. Win]

So your running this on the stuck ecu?

[jcgemt2003]

So your running this on the stuck ecu?
Are you trying to detonate? If I were you I wouldnt run wide open until it was tuned....your just asking to fuk your stuff up.

[redrims]

ditto.... Please be careful.

[StuttersC]

learn how to launch your car before you go back to the track.also why is the car breaking up on the dyno,heat soak intercooler pulling timing back or fuel cut, also the Air/water inetrcooler are not practical for daily driver, they are design for track only. they tend to heat soak faster than regular intercooler.

It could be the singal wire for the dyno. If you don't get it on the "right" wire the dyno looks all broken up like that.

[azian6er]

It could be the singal wire for the dyno. If you don't get it on the "right" wire the dyno looks all broken up like that.

pretty sure that was fuel cut.

[skylinemonster]

Just got home from the track.
Here's the dyno:
http://www.azspeed6.com/images/bestdyno.jpg

Here's the video of the dyno and track
http://www.azspeed6.com/movies/untunedatpturbo.wmv

I'm getting the XEDE installed on the 15th, hopefully it'll make gigantic improvements. With the cutout open I was seeing as much as 19 PSI in 4th gear....

NOT IMPRESSED!!! I FEEL SORRY FOR THAT CAR WITHOUT THE PROPER MANAGEMENT. ALSO, YOUR QUARTER MILE SUFFERS AT MOST IN ITS FIRST 60 FEET. WITH AN ALL WHEEL DRIVE SETUP, YOU SHOULD BE NAILING 1.8'S 1.7'S. YOUR LAUNCH LOOKED LIKE 2.2-2.4 AT ITS BEST. PLEASE PARK THIS SIX UNTIL IT HAS BEEN TUNED FOR YOUR MODIFICATIONS.

[Nutari]

NOT IMPRESSED!!! I FEEL SORRY FOR THAT CAR WITHOUT THE PROPER MANAGEMENT. ALSO, YOUR QUARTER MILE SUFFERS AT MOST IN ITS FIRST 60 FEET. WITH AN ALL WHEEL DRIVE SETUP, YOU SHOULD BE NAILING 1.8'S 1.7'S. YOUR LAUNCH LOOKED LIKE 2.2-2.4 AT ITS BEST. PLEASE PARK THIS SIX UNTIL IT HAS BEEN TUNED FOR YOUR MODIFICATIONS.
ok man.. seriously. EVERY single post..

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Nutari/caps.jpg

[4DRHTRD]

OK, so I posted this up so people could realize that it will take an XEDE or something similar (I'm getting an XEDE on Monday the 15th) to take this to it's max. My LA TMIC is off the car due to it allowing 3 PSI more boost than the factory one. Also my LA TMIC gives me better intake air temps than the stock one ever has or could.
As far as the launching comments, post up your 60's and slips. The launch you saw was with me being caught unaware as there were track issues. My best was 2.0X that night HOWEVER I was spinning out of the hole or I was working through the launch. Once this is tuned, trust me it'll launch just fine. On the stock turbo I have a string of 1.9 60's which is fine for me here in high DA AZ.

I don't see most of you that are making negative comments even drag racing your car or modifying them.
Put up or shut up!

[CitizenPro]

Sweet install mang (thumb) I was wondering who would get to that kit first when it came out. Cant wait to see this beast tuned, and see some great dyno numbers :D

[skylinemonster]

ok man.. seriously. EVERY single post..

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Nutari/caps.jpg

CHRIST, this BIRD is everywhere, it's like the SATANIC crow from the Omen hovering, ready to gouge out my eyeballs. I better be careful and say my Hail Mary's.

[skylinemonster]

OK, so I posted this up so people could realize that it will take an XEDE or something similar (I'm getting an XEDE on Monday the 15th) to take this to it's max. My LA TMIC is off the car due to it allowing 3 PSI more boost than the factory one. Also my LA TMIC gives me better intake air temps than the stock one ever has or could.
As far as the launching comments, post up your 60's and slips. The launch you saw was with me being caught unaware as there were track issues. My best was 2.0X that night HOWEVER I was spinning out of the hole or I was working through the launch. Once this is tuned, trust me it'll launch just fine. On the stock turbo I have a string of 1.9 60's which is fine for me here in high DA AZ.

I don't see most of you that are making negative comments even drag racing your car or modifying them.
Put up or shut up!

1.9 is not even that sufficient man. I had 1.7's on my stock evo sitting on falken ze-512's. Just slip her a bit and no need to rev higher than 4500 if you are.

[jcgemt2003]

Nobodys being negative...just concern.....Were all pretty freakn excited that someone is gone this far, we dont wanna see it cut short by an easily preventable mishap! But dont think just because your the first with the turbo upgrade that your the only one doing things! I could put that sucker on to but I dont want anything on my car that I cant take off fast for warranty work. Ill upgrade my turbo after 35k and not a mile sooner.

[MS6freek]

guys guys enough with the stupid comments!! this is very normal that the car didnt do good!! wait till he gets tuning then you will all be shitting in your pants ;) mark my words...

keep it up man (first) great job(enguard)

[Afroman]

First I wanted to say very nice work on the pictures of the install and dyno charts.

So they didnt work out as planned and the car needs tuning. Who didnt see that coming? Not a big deal and it sounds like 4DRHTRD knew that coming into the whole works.

What I dont understand is all the armchair drag racing and negative comments. I dont see anyone else posting their pictures of their turbo upgrade or dyno charts.

Why doe everyone feel the need to bash people if something isnt perfect? Just relax and let him post and if you have to make a comment. Atleast be constructive.

[jcgemt2003]

Boy oh boy does everyone feel they need to chime in on this. You cry babies cant take some constructive critisizm. Once again you little girls have taken some comments on concern to a whole new level. Shut the funk up...No one is talkn shit and there sure aint any armchair drag racers here so I dont what the funk your talkn about. Just showing some concern for a guy spent 2gs on funkn turbo kit and then took it to the track and had it dynoed before it was tuned...Nobody wants to see this go bad. No more comments on negative comments lets just move the hell on...if I wanted to read this crap I would 've went to a forum on soaps.

[Rainman]

OK, so I posted this up so people could realize that it will take an XEDE or something similar (I'm getting an XEDE on Monday the 15th) to take this to it's max. My LA TMIC is off the car due to it allowing 3 PSI more boost than the factory one. Also my LA TMIC gives me better intake air temps than the stock one ever has or could.
As far as the launching comments, post up your 60's and slips. The launch you saw was with me being caught unaware as there were track issues. My best was 2.0X that night HOWEVER I was spinning out of the hole or I was working through the launch. Once this is tuned, trust me it'll launch just fine. On the stock turbo I have a string of 1.9 60's which is fine for me here in high DA AZ.

I don't see most of you that are making negative comments even drag racing your car or modifying them.
Put up or shut up!

Keep up the good work, don't hurt your car, and don't worry about the naysayers. I for one am happy that you are working through this because it just provides more information for other people who want to modify this vehicle. Not all of life takes place at the drag strip.

R

[Rainman]

Oh yeah, it is my civic duty to request that we all keep it civil and refrain from the use of profanity on this forum.

R

[benzo]

First I wanted to say very nice work on the pictures of the install and dyno charts.

So they didnt work out as planned and the car needs tuning. Who didnt see that coming? Not a big deal and it sounds like 4DRHTRD knew that coming into the whole works.

What I dont understand is all the armchair drag racing and negative comments. I dont see anyone else posting their pictures of their turbo upgrade or dyno charts.

Why doe everyone feel the need to bash people if something isnt perfect? Just relax and let him post and if you have to make a comment. Atleast be constructive.


AMEN TO THAT.

[StephanieT]

I'm getting the XEDE installed on the 15th, hopefully it'll make gigantic improvements. With the cutout open I was seeing as much as 19 PSI in 4th gear....

Those spikes are fairly typical of over boosting and/or fuel cut. The fuel curve displays spikes in the same area.
How were they reading hp? Optical pick up?
Stephanie

[4DRHTRD]

Those spikes are fairly typical of over boosting and/or fuel cut. The fuel curve displays spikes in the same area.
How were they reading hp? Optical pick up?
Stephanie
shrug? It's an AWD dyno, that's all I know and they hit the #1 spark plug for RPM reference and a WB tube in the tailpipe.
:)

Cya next Monday!
:)

[PerfectXtreme]

God invented the internet so the little boys who got abused in Highschool could vent w/o anyone stuffing them in a trash can...

I don't believe in god.. but if he did create anything.. it was the internet.. and for that purpose....

Or maybe he created forums for that purpose?

Anyway.. I could care less if you ran 12's or 18's.... the fact that you managed to replace the turbo already.. and have done all those other mods... is what THIS is all about...

And we are not EVOS so for those who are using them as an example.. STFU plz... This car is not 9 generations old... has not been tested over and over... Everything this guy and the rest of us are doing ... is first time.. first test... no one knows if it will work crap...

Buying an Evo is like buying a lego car... you have 1000's of companies to choose from with endless supply of bolt on parts that are proven to work....

However I don't enjoy buying legos and snapping together parts... I want a feeling of accomplishment when I install or mod something few others have.... bla bla bla...

Good job man.. keep it up... Sucks you're in AZ...

[Hambino]

shrug? It's an AWD dyno, that's all I know and they hit the #1 spark plug for RPM reference and a WB tube in the tailpipe.
:)

Cya next Monday!
:)

Right on man. Can't wait to see what you gain from the XEDE unit. Just be careful till then!

[mikeski]

great job man!!!! keep us posted.

[Rainman]

God invented the internet so the little boys who got abused in Highschool could vent w/o anyone stuffing them in a trash can...

I don't believe in god.. but if he did create anything.. it was the internet.. and for that purpose....

Or maybe he created forums for that purpose?

Anyway.. I could care less if you ran 12's or 18's.... the fact that you managed to replace the turbo already.. and have done all those other mods... is what THIS is all about...

And we are not EVOS so for those who are using them as an example.. STFU plz... This car is not 9 generations old... has not been tested over and over... Everything this guy and the rest of us are doing ... is first time.. first test... no one knows if it will work crap...

Buying an Evo is like buying a lego car... you have 1000's of companies to choose from with endless supply of bolt on parts that are proven to work....

However I don't enjoy buying legos and snapping together parts... I want a feeling of accomplishment when I install or mod something few others have.... bla bla bla...

Good job man.. keep it up... Sucks you're in AZ...

Well said! For some reason people seem to forget these facts.

R

[skylinemonster]

God invented the internet so the little boys who got abused in Highschool could vent w/o anyone stuffing them in a trash can...

I don't believe in god.. but if he did create anything.. it was the internet.. and for that purpose....

Or maybe he created forums for that purpose?

Anyway.. I could care less if you ran 12's or 18's.... the fact that you managed to replace the turbo already.. and have done all those other mods... is what THIS is all about...

And we are not EVOS so for those who are using them as an example.. STFU plz... This car is not 9 generations old... has not been tested over and over... Everything this guy and the rest of us are doing ... is first time.. first test... no one knows if it will work crap...

Buying an Evo is like buying a lego car... you have 1000's of companies to choose from with endless supply of bolt on parts that are proven to work....

However I don't enjoy buying legos and snapping together parts... I want a feeling of accomplishment when I install or mod something few others have.... bla bla bla...

Good job man.. keep it up... Sucks you're in AZ...

i just dont care for the order of operation, yes this guy spent 1675 on a turbo, but he slapped it on and took the car out with the factory brain trying to compensate. to me thats not an accomplishment, thats impulsiveness. this is a japanese car, made in japan, not flatrock michigan like the v6 with a taurus engine. i think its wise to wait a bit until xede, cobb, or whoever has landed their management, and tested it on many ms6's before any upgrades to forced induction should be done, then once that happens, the project should be done from end to end with a goal in mind. remember, this car has only been out for 2 years. nobody has really tested this vehicle with piggy backs, or stand alones. company's are desperately pleading for owners to become guinea pigs. the problem is, this car is not taking a hold of the market because the 6 already pushed the ms6 out of line. the problem i see is nobody knows what the car has for the most part. for example, i ran into an evo8 guy today, who thought my ms6 had a v6 in it and it was front wheel drive, even though it really doesnt look like the 6. i dont know if that's just ignorance or the fact that you just dont see ms6's anywhere. i bought my ms6 because it's just more grown up looking and more refined than your rally opposition, but still puts you back in your seat almost just the same.

[Rainman]

i just dont care for the order of operation, yes this guy spent 1675 on a turbo, but he slapped it on and took the car out with the factory brain trying to compensate. to me thats not an accomplishment, thats impulsiveness. this is a japanese car, made in japan, not flatrock michigan like the v6 with a taurus engine. i think its wise to wait a bit until xede, cobb, or whoever has landed their management, and tested it on many ms6's before any upgrades to forced induction should be done, then once that happens, the project should be done from end to end with a goal in mind. remember, this car has only been out for 2 years. nobody has really tested this vehicle with piggy backs, or stand alones. company's are desperately pleading for owners to become guinea pigs. the problem is, this car is not taking a hold of the market because the 6 already pushed the ms6 out of line. the problem i see is nobody knows what the car has for the most part. for example, i ran into an evo8 guy today, who thought my ms6 had a v6 in it and it was front wheel drive, even though it really doesnt look like the 6. i dont know if that's just ignorance or the fact that you just dont see ms6's anywhere. i bought my ms6 because it's just more grown up looking and more refined than your rally opposition, but still puts you back in your seat almost just the same.

I am glad that 4DRHTRD is being a pioneer and attempting stuff that many others have not. However, I can see your point and I am pleased that you presented your concerns in an amicable fashion.

R

[4DRHTRD]

I didn't slap a $1675 turbo on there, I bought the full kit which was offered out to us as a 310 WHP untuned solution that worked. I knew that eventually tuning would get more out of the car but assumed it would work "out of the box". I've had to rush to get the XEDE installed and travel around 2K miles round trip to make it happen but it will be worth it. As always (I've done a few firsts before to cars) I'm not afraid to jump out there and get my feet wet. I know what to expect and the pains that these efforts will create. However if I didn't post up my experience other people might think they can just go out and buy the $2500 ATP turbo kit, bolt it on and that everything would just work. I'm not saying the kit doesn't have the capability but from my experience it's not a true bolt it on and hammer it experience.

Again, Monday will see the car get to it's fullest potential, if the turbo is maxed before fuel is I'll be hitting up ATP for something bigger to replace the 3071R.
:)

Just so you guys know, I'm OLD compared to most, close to 40 and this is my wife's daily driver. I will get these mods to be at dependable daily driver status with stealth appearance and mid to low 12's out of the car.

[chaos2015]

thats gonna be one badass grocery getter for your wife

[Klip]

Thanks for taking the first step 4DRHTRD.........kudo's to you.

[buit9110]

great job 4DRHTRD.... you're the man.

[ATLMZ6]

Nice Job 4DRHTRD.... I was the first to run 13.7s in the speed 6!! Guess you will beat me to being the fastest MS6 after you get her tuned. Try to enjoy that title while you can. ;)

[jcgemt2003]

Todays the day whats the word?

[ATLMZ6]

They are still hard at work. Give it a few days.

[4DRHTRD]

OK, just got home after driving from 8PM AZT until now.
Here's what's going on:
We got to the shop around 9AM and started working on wiring it in. Around 2PM we finished, went and got lunch and headed to the dyno.
The car was setup as follows:
Factory boost controller wired back in with the boost reference/WGA T'd into the WGA side of the boost controller and the intake side still attached to the intake.
Factory IC was on so that we could try and provide a MAP for other ATP cars with a stock IC
The exhaust dump was disabled for the initial tests.

DISCLAIMER - I DO NOT HAVE DYNO GRAPHS!!! THESE ARE DYNO DYNAMICS NUMBERS - usually 20% below a dynojet AWD dyno.
We got to the dyno and began to work, started at 240WHP with the AFR off the chart (below 10.0) and fuel cut up the wazoo starting at 5K
Initial changes - changed fuel to 12.3 across the board and adjusted MAP table for no fuel cut - 260 WHP
We found that we had tagged the wrong factory boost controller wire and started to fix that around 6PM, after properly connecting that we were still unable to get any more boost from the car. BEGi is working to resolve this issue.
In order to get more boost I reconected the ATP VES (exhaust cutout) and immediately got 280 HP around 4500 RPM and then hit fuel cut at 17.8ish PSI.
At this time there were ice warnings and freeway closures all over the area. The dyno owner (Cory - who was AWESOME) said he had to go and closed shop at 8PM, I've been driving home since then. Tim made an adjustment to the MAP table and fuel table to make the car safe for now and I've been able to hit 20 PSI w/o fuel cut on the way back.

Synapsis:
Car has a ton more HP in her with the XEDE and ATP turbo kit combined. Rough numbers with cutout closed = approximately 310 to 330 depending on who's idea of dyno numbers you agree with. The car was rock stable to around 6K when boost would drop off but the AFR was good. Once we figure out boost control and enable cutout and my LA TMIC the numbers will continue to improve.

Many thanks to StephanieT, Corky Bell (it was awesome to meet a legend) and Tim from BEGi along with Cory from the dyno shop. I knew going in that being a pioneer to this scenario would have it's bumps and bruises but so far the car has put down safe power. Just need to get the XEDE dialed in completely.

Also thanks for putting us up at your house Steph!!!

[jcgemt2003]

So 310-330whp and you still arent dialed all the way in? Thats f*kn great..I bet youll hit the 375 mark no problem!

[ATLMZ6]

All I want to the wheels is 300 to 325. So this is great news. :)

[jcgemt2003]

All I want to the wheels is 300 to 325. So this is great news. :)
Thats what Im lookn for

[Mr. Win]

We'll done.

[Speed_Racer]

can't wait to see you follow it through and shut up all the haters. props.

[jcgemt2003]

OK...So whats the word on tuning your car man?

[Mspeed3]

wow, Congratulations on having the know how, the money, and courage to do this project.

[4DRHTRD]

OK...So whats the word on tuning your car man?
Didn't see this, heading to So Cal to get tuned by Shiv who's famous for his XEDE and tuning capabilities.
:)

[nazgul350r]

Can't wait to see the results.

I am also curious to see what this fuel system can handle. Was it Shiv's 335 that was tuned to around 385hp?

[joshj84]

4DRHTRD When are you heading to cali?

[4DRHTRD]

Actually at this point and time I'm not. My MAF is maxed out and I have no way to control fuel (add fuel) to compensate for more boost. I've asked Steph and Shiv to take a look at how they can get control over something that will allow me full boost and add some fuel but we're at a stand still. For a regular turbo car the XEDE may work as you can remove fuel through the MAF but for a big turbo car at this point and time I can't honestly recommend it as a solution. Maybe CP-E will come to bat for us high HP guys.

[peanutsparts]

Actually at this point and time I'm not. My MAF is maxed out and I have no way to control fuel (add fuel) to compensate for more boost. I've asked Steph and Shiv to take a look at how they can get control over something that will allow me full boost and add some fuel but we're at a stand still. For a regular turbo car the XEDE may work as you can remove fuel through the MAF but for a big turbo car at this point and time I can't honestly recommend it as a solution. Maybe CP-E will come to bat for us high HP guys.


GREAT WORK!!!

Nice to see sum1 went and got thier feet wet moding the new MAzda DISI engine!

I want this kit for MS3 now!

[Gandalf]

Actually at this point and time I'm not. My MAF is maxed out and I have no way to control fuel (add fuel) to compensate for more boost. I've asked Steph and Shiv to take a look at how they can get control over something that will allow me full boost and add some fuel but we're at a stand still. For a regular turbo car the XEDE may work as you can remove fuel through the MAF but for a big turbo car at this point and time I can't honestly recommend it as a solution. Maybe CP-E will come to bat for us high HP guys.

I could be very wrong, but I distinctly remember a cp-e post where they said they had figured out how to add and remove fuel. They were not going to release it until the got that - and I believe they did. I'm sure one of them will post somewhere soon and chime in.

[4DRHTRD]

I am anxiously awaiting news from CP-E concerning fuel/fuel pressure control.
:)

[nazgul350r]

Actually at this point and time I'm not. My MAF is maxed out and I have no way to control fuel (add fuel) to compensate for more boost. I've asked Steph and Shiv to take a look at how they can get control over something that will allow me full boost and add some fuel but we're at a stand still. For a regular turbo car the XEDE may work as you can remove fuel through the MAF but for a big turbo car at this point and time I can't honestly recommend it as a solution. Maybe CP-E will come to bat for us high HP guys.

What Mazsport has done with their rx-8 and turbo kit is to switch to running by map sensors at the switch from vac to boost. They have what I believe to be a modified mircotech to control the car.

[4DRHTRD]

I know there's a better solution than that coming right around the corner. I need to take some logs but I'm pretty sure out fuel pressure even at 22 PSI and being somewhat rich is only around 1200 to 1300 PSI. We can put out 1600 PSI w/o a problem. If so then the extra pressure will easily allow for more boost and better control. By adding additional MAF voltage in a tuning product like the XEDE it's asking the XEDE to predict what it will see in the next process. This is straight from Dustin's mouth at Vishnu Performance. He was quite frank, that controlling the MAF is NOT the way to go in our cars but finding a way to control the factory DIS pressures like they did with the BMW 335i.

That being said, I am on a mission to produce the highest HP/ET/MPH MS6 and find the right combo to do it. The solution is right around the corner and I know it will make the difference between my 100 MPH traps and some 115 MPH traps and the related ET's and HP that come with it. I've gone this far and I will finish this journey.

[mazpro]

damn, I just read this whole thread from start to finish..... Great work man! this car has a lot of potential once you get control of the fuel.

[nazgul350r]

I had forgot about the 335 being DI. With that it should be fairly easy for Vishnu to get you tunned up.

[4DRHTRD]

I had forgot about the 335 being DI. With that it should be fairly easy for Vishnu to get you tunned up.
No response from Shiv after a few calls and an email.
I'm pretty much giving up and walking away from the XEDE.

[peanutsparts]

i know i might be too late to ask, but could you provide a pic of the complete kit w/ all it accesories, spreaded out on the ground?

[4DRHTRD]

Here's all the pics I have:
http://www.azspeed6.com/atpturbokit.html

[StephanieT]

No response from Shiv after a few calls and an email.
I'm pretty much giving up and walking away from the XEDE.
Honestly, I would not expect a response from him. That is why he is not selling it directly. He is a very busy person, and is not in the office 60 to 70% of his time. If you signed up for a dyno day, then I am sure he would help. I realize you spoke to Dustin, but he is not the final word. Nor does he have the knowledge or ability that Shiv does. Not to mention the fact that the MS3 is set up the same way as the MS6 and runs perfectly.

Secondly, the Xede will support the hardware's capabilities. You have stated that the MAF is maxed out. So if an aftermarket MAF is not an option then and cannot be used, how is the Xede to blame? That is a hardware issue.

Lastly, yes you have a turbo upgrade. And until the boost was raised over 20 lbs it ran fine. I am not certain, however, that this is still in the turbo's efficiency range.

We all knew going into it that there would be some hurdles to jump, especially with the different turbo set up you have. When I can get another car here to do a second tuning, we will know more. You are to be commended for your pioneering spirit and have done an excellent job so far.
Did you look at the MAF option I sent? What about ATP's MAF replacement?
Stephanie

[4DRHTRD]

Honestly, I would not expect a response from him. That is why he is not selling it directly. He is a very busy person, and is not in the office 60 to 70% of his time. If you signed up for a dyno day, then I am sure he would help. I realize you spoke to Dustin, but he is not the final word. Nor does he have the knowledge or ability that Shiv does. Not to mention the fact that the MS3 is set up the same way as the MS6 and runs perfectly.

I was told by Dustin not to sign up for Dyno day as there's no way that Shiv would have time to look at fuel control issues. He also told me specifically not to use the MAF to control fuel in a DI car.

Secondly, the Xede will support the hardware's capabilities. You have stated that the MAF is maxed out. So if an aftermarket MAF is not an option then and cannot be used, how is the Xede to blame? That is a hardware issue.
I can clamp the MAF and still control fuel and timing, I will prove this shortly over the next few weeks

Lastly, yes you have a turbo upgrade. And until the boost was raised over 20 lbs it ran fine. I am not certain, however, that this is still in the turbo's efficiency range.
I have turbo maps that prove out over 25 PSI being still efficient and dyno's from other cars running the same ATP turbo at 28 PSI and getting over 400 WHP on EVO's.

We all knew going into it that there would be some hurdles to jump, especially with the different turbo set up you have. When I can get another car here to do a second tuning, we will know more. You are to be commended for your pioneering spirit and have done an excellent job so far.
I appreciate the kind words

Did you look at the MAF option I sent? What about ATP's MAF replacement?
The MAF is not the way I plan on going, I just need to control the MAF output so as to not cause fuel cut

[peanutsparts]

Here's all the pics I have:
http://www.azspeed6.com/atpturbokit.html

thanks for the pics.

with the intake components of the kit, is the silver piece a MAF adapter?

If yes, did you use it since u already have a MS CAI? If not, I'll buy it from you. Send me a PM if u still have it.

[4DRHTRD]

thanks for the pics.

with the intake components of the kit, is the silver piece a MAF adapter?

If yes, did you use it since u already have a MS CAI? If not, I'll buy it from you. Send me a PM if u still have it.
I sold my MS intake awhile back and used the ATP aluminum adapter.

[StephanieT]

I was told by Dustin not to sign up for Dyno day as there's no way that Shiv would have time to look at fuel control issues. He also told me specifically not to use the MAF to control fuel in a DI car.

I am sorry, But I still have to disagree with Dustin. We are using a combination of MAF and MAP to control fuel. I will check with Shiv directly on whether or not you can go to dyno day. Dustin does not set Shiv's schedule, Shiv does. If dyno day is out, we have some customers who are interested in a dyno day in AZ, NM area.


The MAF is not the way I plan on going, I just need to control the MAF output so as to not cause fuel cut
We avoid the fuel cut in the MSM w/ control over the throttle position sensor and controlling the boost solenoid. Maybe we should try the TPS and see if it works, or offset the MAP more. Does your boost table still read "Absolute" in the menu bar? If nothing else, we can play around with the next car using the MAP and adding a MAT sensor.
Stephanie

[4DRHTRD]

My response is this:
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?p=691828#post691828
Read Shiv's post in the middle of the page, also read the very first post in the thread from XEDE.
Am I reading this wrong or is Shiv walking away from XEDE??? Make sure to read all the posts between Shiv and XEDE...
Also Vishnu is blowing out the XEDE's on their web page at well below retail.
http://www.vishnutuning.com/XEDE_SALE.htm

[StephanieT]

The Xede is still available.
Stephanie