Keeping it Clean and Sparkling

[CXRabbit]

Being in a colder winter climate I was on the search for a solution to keeping the car clean without having to always wash it. I found an amazing product that works exactly as advertised and wow, is it easy to do. The car wash is fine once in a while but it can get expensive, and they don't apply any kind of protectant or wax (without paying a small fortune).

It's called Mary Moppins Advantage... (http://www.goclean.com/advantage.htm)
"Finally, you can put a show room shine on any vehicle without paying the cost of show room polishes. Advantage, made exclusively for the Mary Moppins Company, washes and protects your vehicle in one quick step."

I used it on my Crystal Pearl White CX-7 today and it came out amazing. Not only is it nice and clean, but it looks like it's been polished AND it leaves a nice slick surface so you know it's going to stay cleaner longer.

I'm not usually one to praise a product so strongly, but anyone who wants to keep their car in good shape, protect their paint, and have it be fairly EASY, I'd recommend this one without a doubt. It's also silicone- and petroleum distillate-free which is apparently important with post 2003/4 cars.

I use terry-cloth towels or 100% cotton baby diapers to clean and buff. DO NOT use microfiber... you'll end up with swirl marks.

For the glass I use Invisible Glass (http://www.invisibleglass.com/) -- it virtually streak-free (god, I hate streaks on my windows and windex SUCKS). Microfiber cloth is fine for this... and lint free!

For the leather, so far I've used Armor All Leather Wipes (http://www.armorall.com/prod_leatherwipes.html) -- I'm open to suggestions in this area. I use the wipe and then rub out excess and rub in with cotton baby diaper.

For the interior I simply use Armor All Cleaning Wipes (http://www.armorall.com/prod_cleaningwipes.html) and a cotton baby diaper to wipe off excess.

I'll be buying a box of those LCD cleaner pads (http://www.pixelclean.com/product/PixelClean-Wet-And-Dry-Travel-Wipes-Set-of-12.html) to keep in the car. In the meantime I grabbed some from work. The finger prints are enough to drive a person like me crazy :)

Anyone else have suggestions to offer?

(psst. Really... buy the Advantage stuff... it's amazing)

[CX7andMiata]

Wow! Does this Advantage stuff really work without water? Seems like it if your vehicle is very dirty that the dirt would scratch the paint. Did you see any sign of that when you used it?

If this stuff works what a great way to clean/protect your car all in one step... What about the black trim on the CX-7 along the bottom on each side? Did you clean it with product as well?

[njcx7]

that's garbage IMO. without water, no good, i own a detail business on the side, best for your car is to wash it and wax as least as possible, but without doing these 2, it's hard to keep it looking good. if u have to, use mother's wash w/ NEW or clean sponge, new or clean chamois, better if u have access to blower. for polish/wax, we use ZAINO, best stuff on the planet. for less $ black magic, mother's products work well too...always use new microfiber rags or cleaned ones on paint surface...

[CXRabbit]

If you're car is really dirty, probably best to run it through the car wash or wash it yourself with soap and water (and 100% lambs wool) first. The Advantage stuff is good for maintenance cleaning and protecting when you'll be trying to keep it clean more regularly.

My car had about two weeks worth of dirt on her (including some rainy day splatter). You spray first, so you're not just rubbing the dirt around dry and I saw no evidence of scratching -- and I wouldn't expect there to be any unless there was some serious mud or salt on the car (in which case, better to wash with soap/water first). I cleaned my car completely with it -- took about 40 minutes for the entire exterior... and I could FEEL the difference from the parts I had cleaned with Advantage vs. the parts not yet done. Running the towel over the newly clean part it was slick and smooth - like not resistence - over the not-yet-treated area the towel "stuck" a bit.

I kinda see this as a way to keep my car clean without having to hit the car wash every two weeks... but if it gets really dirty I'll still use soap and water. It's not like I'll give up water-washes complete... this will just help keep her cleaner longer and easier (I'd expect other than in winter, I'll have to do much less water-washing). Remember, when you're done using the Advantage stuff it leaves a protective layer on your car, which will also help keep it clean and prevent scratching when cleaning in the future.

I'll have to give you and update a few months down the road on how it will be over the long haul ;)

Njcx7,

Microfiber is about the worst thing to use on newer cars. It will scratch your paint over the long term (it's synthetic, and essentially plastic). When I've actually PAID a detailer I tell them NO microfiber. Mother's products are decent, I've had them in the past, but some of them have silicone. You should at least give the Advantage a try before calling it garbage. I'm not saying to give up washing completely... this is for the times in between. And when I do water-washing, I'll treat with Advantage afterwards.

[dread]

You can get the same thing at autozone for $5, it is made by eagle one, works great and leaves a silky shine, I am very careful about getting swirls on my car and haven't had a problem, I think it makes swirls less visible and leaves the car protected. I do use microfiber towels, I am not sure why you would think they would leave swirls on your car, they are much softer than terry cloth.

[CXRabbit]

They appear softer but they are made out of mostly polyester, which is plastic. Car manufacturers in the last few years have change the paint they use and it is softer. Over time, microfiber can leave swirl marks and even scratch your paint.

I have stuff I bought from Autozone... a few different brands... and it is not as good. Also, you have to be careful of the ingredients. Things like silicone and petroleum distillates can damage your paint over the long haul.

[cruzdreamer]

Yea..I bought some microfiber towels and not too happy....rather use an old t-shirt or something. I am a nut and always like my car clean. I just in between washes use a spray mist if there's not too much dirt on it. I have tried different shine products and yet to find one that gives it that super shiny polished look. Although others have asked me how I get it so shiny....just not up to my standards I guess. I am using a Black Magic spray mist now. Having trouble with windows streaks even with my vinegar water method...hmmm....never had this issue. I use Aerospace stuff for no shine interior cleaning. Don't like Armor All leather wipes and want a better product there. I use Zaino to wax when I have time. Strangest thing....I never had so much trouble getting my car perfectly clean....hard to keep this blue beauty clean....wonder why I am having trouble....after I wash it I get all kinds of smear marks even with my mist after I wash it....tried different rags etc...Waxed the car twice since I bought it 3 months ago. Just my thoughts....Keep suggestions coming...

[dread]

is ziano hard to apply and why is it so good?

[CXRabbit]

Cruz, really, check out the Advantage stuff... it's no harder than the misting but it really does make the car shine nice. As long as you haven't been using a silicone product on the car, you shouldn't have a problem with streaking.

The Invisible Glass stuff... I actually forgot I had it... I had bought it a while back for my other car and it really is great for streak-free cleaning. I use a microfiber cloth for the windows and that also helps a lot... just don't use it for the rest of the car.

Agree with you about the Armor All Leather Wipes... I'd like to try something different. The people who make Advantage also make a leather cleaner/conditioner so I might try it since I'm so happy with their other stuff. I'm open for other suggestions?

[CX7andMiata]

I have been using Meguiar's 26 on my Miata for a couple of years and it seems to work pretty well but does not last very long (2-3 months). With the CX-7 and its much larger surface area I am looking for something that will last longer. Is Zaino the answer? Is it longer lasting? I welcome and appreciation any advice or suggestions on the type of wax I should use...:)

[azcat]

I have been using Meguiar's 26 on my Miata for a couple of years and it seems to work pretty well but does not last very long (2-3 months). With the CX-7 and its much larger surface area I am looking for something that will last longer. Is Zaino the answer? Is it longer lasting? I welcome and appreciation any advice or suggestions on the type of wax I should use...:)

I use Meguiars NXT on my Miata, and put it on the CX-7 for its first wax. Looks great, but only lasts 2-3 months. I'm switching to Klasse All-in-One for the CX-7's next wax, as it's supposed to be tough. Expensive, though.

You didn't mention what year Miata you have. Be careful if it's 90-97: no clearcoat! You can literally polish though the color coat quite easily. You probably knew that...

I've used microfiber to remove the wax for years on several different vehicles, and have not had any problems, but then, I don't buy the cheap stuff, and not all microfiber is the same. You need to check the tag for an content of 70-80% polyester and and no more than 30% polyamide. The cheap stuff is for kitchens and home cleaning and can damage automotive finishes and is sometimes 50/50. Here's a really good guide on microfiber, and good web site in general about detailing cars.

http://guidetodetailing.com/articles.php?articleId=44

I'm not conected to that site in any way other than as a member. Don't want to start any flame wars or fights, but if those guys use quality microfiber products on their show cars, Porsches, and BMWs with no problems, I think we're safe, too. As mentioned, I use a lot of Meguiar's products for washing, drying (Meguair's "Water Magnet" towels), cleaning, polishing, and waxing, microfiber applicators to put them on, and finish with a microfiber bonnet on my Porter Cable 7424 for the final glaze. For light dusting or cleaning between waxes, I use the NXT Quik Detailer with microfiber towls. No swirls. No connection with Meguiar's, either, I just like their products.

[cruzdreamer]

Cruz, really, check out the Advantage stuff... it's no harder than the misting but it really does make the car shine nice. As long as you haven't been using a silicone product on the car, you shouldn't have a problem with streaking.

The Invisible Glass stuff... I actually forgot I had it... I had bought it a while back for my other car and it really is great for streak-free cleaning. I use a microfiber cloth for the windows and that also helps a lot... just don't use it for the rest of the car.

Agree with you about the Armor All Leather Wipes... I'd like to try something different. The people who make Advantage also make a leather cleaner/conditioner so I might try it since I'm so happy with their other stuff. I'm open for other suggestions?

You know I think I tried some silicone wax stuff in a silver bottle...gotta look at what it was exactly.....is that bad? I will have to try the Invisible Glass stuff. My last car was silver and much easier to keep clean.

[CX7andMiata]

Thanks Azcat!

My Miata is a 2000 model (hunter green) and it does have a clear coat. I also use good quality microfiber rags and have not had any issues either. Thanks also for the link it is interesting...

[Byrnie]

is ziano hard to apply and why is it so good?

From what I hear it's not hard to apply just takes forever. It's a pretty long process, there's several procedures. But the result is you don't have to wax your car for a year usually (if you have a garage at home).

[CXRabbit]

From what I've read, in the last few years the paint they use on newer cars is different and softer and you are opening yourself to scratches/swirl marks by using Microfiber. Maybe there's a difference with really good microfiber, but how can you tell the difference (that's really a question -- not me being a wise ass). What are the other options? I've been using the 100% cotton terry cloth or cloth diapers because that's what I've heard is best (non-synthetic)... and it should be something with a slight nap (loop to absorb and trap dirt).

[import_theory]

i've heard the diapers are the best as well

[jmhumr]

Here's what I use and why...

No-Rinse Car Wash: Optimum No-Rinse

At first I was skeptical, but it was recommended to me by a community of detailers, so I tried it and I was impressed. It is definitely a must-have for anyone who doesn't live where they can wash their car with traditional soap. It works kinda like kitchen floor cleaner. Slop the water+solution on, then wipe dry with a towel, one section at a time. I have a silver car so I can't confirm that it leaves no streaks, but it seems to work perfectly for me. Obviously it works best if you wash your car weekly - a heavily soiled car should always be washed traditionally.

Wax/Polish: Zaino

From what I've read, this is the most popular treatment among professional detailers. I tried it, and it definitely lives up to the hype. I've tried everything from Mothers/Meguires/Turtle/etc. and Zaino leaves the wettest/deepest look. I've never felt a car so smooth in my life.

Two downsides: 1) It is expensive, and 2) The application process is lengthy. If you do it properly by claying your car first, then applying the max number of coats, it takes a good 8-10 hours. It is definitely worth it though.

Interior Protectant: 303 Aerospace Protectant

I used to be a die-hard Armor-All fan, but I've recently read that the chemicals they use aren't good for the long-term. I believed it when a car of mine which I've AA'ed religiously for 8 years recently developed a crack in the dashboard. I'm a 303 believer now. It isn't as greasy and gives a natural semi-gloss finish, and it supposed to be free of those chemicals that aren't good for the long-term.

[azcat]

From what I've read, in the last few years the paint they use on newer cars is different and softer and you are opening yourself to scratches/swirl marks by using Microfiber. Maybe there's a difference with really good microfiber, but how can you tell the difference (that's really a question -- not me being a wise ass). What are the other options? I've been using the 100% cotton terry cloth or cloth diapers because that's what I've heard is best (non-synthetic)... and it should be something with a slight nap (loop to absorb and trap dirt).

Ummm...well, you need to read the web site I cited earlier, but the short story, as I mentioned earlier, is to read the tag on the cloth--80/20 or 70/30, but no less, is ok for automotive finishes. 60/40 or less is not. Either way, you're going to have to read something.

Diapers? Never. Even though they say, "100% cotton," the thread they use to stitch them together is a hard synthetic. That's right...plastic! (gasp!) (shocked)

[CXRabbit]

There are NO plastic/sythetic threads in cloth diaper rags... because there's nothing "sewn together". But something that is 80/20 or 70/30 is still 80% or 70% polyester, which IS plastic. I'm not saying that by default it makes them bad, but what I've read about new car paint is that it will eventually scratch it. When microfiber first came out, there were warnings right on the package not using them on any kind of sealed or painted surface.

I can't argue with your link, but your "expert" and my "expert" differ on this...

"Caution: Industrial paint and sealant manufacturers warn against washing your vehicle with the popular microfiber products. They are made from 80 to 85% polyester, which is plastic. Plastic scratches and over time and repeated use they will scratch the sealant off your coat and then start on the paint. Your car will begin oxidizing even though you have taken excellent care of your vehicle."

"Due to VOC regulations, paint is now being changed from lead based to water based. The paint is not as hard as it has been in the past. Even though sealants are applied over the paint to protect it, if the sealant is scratched off due to microfiber or the wrong kind of petroleum distillate being used in a wax, the paint is then left venerable to rapid oxidation, rust and deterioration. I sell microfiber cloths and do not want you using something that I know will damage your sealant over time. At a large industrial trade show I had microfiber manufacturing companies verify this information."

It's from the same company/person who sells Advantage, but keep in mind she ALSO sells Microfiber cloths. http://www.goclean.com/carcare.htm -- She's a cleaning "expert" -- not just cars, but RVs, boats and house stuff.

So honestly? I don't know who to believe but I do know that it makes sense that polyester doesn't sound like what I'd want to use on my car. Will I even own it long enough to care? Probably not, since most of us trade our cars in for something new every 3-5 years... and who knows, after a few months I may tire of the upkeep and do what the average joe does... go to the car wash once a month ;)

But, I'll stick with the 100% cotton for now.

[CXRabbit]

BTW, after I replied to you I e-mailed my "expert" and she already wrote back. I don't want to post her e-mail because I don't have her permission to do so, but here is a short quote from it...

"Microfiber is made from 85% polyester. Polyester is plastic and plastic scratches. It may take 3 or 4 years but trust me it will take the finish off you car and cause it to oxidize. I had a man tell me this year at an RV rally he wished he had listened to my adivce 4 years ago. It just cost him $12,000 to have his 40 foot motorhome repainted. I can't tell you the nightmare stories I hear usually all of them at my seminars when people stand up and tell the other attendees to listen to me and then relate their horror stories like the one above."

I encourage you to write to her if you if you want more info. She told me that 100% cotton baby diapers are definitely better as long as I make sure they are 100% cotton (and most are). Terry cloth is ok, but again, needs to be 100% cotton (and a lot of them are not).

You can write to her here:
http://www.goclean.com/contactus.htm

[njcx7]

microfiber is best as long as it's washed when needed. we've been using for years, and never encountered scratching problems w/ WELL KEPT microfiber.

[njcx7]

i've seen 100% cotton materials scratch before my eyes...especially on darker colors...it's not rocket science, main thing is to use clean/new materials. people use the same rags over and over thinking it's good for some reason...this is the mistake most make... i've had 2 black cars, 2 white, 1 gold and now the gray CX. none had scratches over the years, none i have done for others either.

[CXRabbit]

You're ignoring what I said about newer cars. Really don't care about your pre-2003 ones. It does matter. Paint has changed.

Honestly, this woman stands nothing to lose by stating what she's stating about microfiber (quite the contrary actually), and she's gotten the companies themselves to admit to the fact it scratches your paint. I'm sure with the care you and I want to give our cars it's not going to be a noticeable difference for quite a few years. I just know it makes sense that I don't want to rub plastic on my car.

Another tip - any rags you DO reuse (after washing), make sure you do not wash them with powder detergent. Powder doesn't always rinse and dissolve as it should and the grains CAN scratch your paint.

[CXRabbit]

I wrote back to Mary and she gave me permission to post this for anyone interested:

- - - - -

If anyone has a fax machine I can fax them the back of a microfiber box that first came out stating specifically that continued use can scratch the finish. They stopped with the warnings because it was killing sales. Car detailers can get by with using microfiber because they use it once on a car and they are done. This is not a once or twice usage problem. It's continued use over time. Take a microfiber cloth dampen it with a little water and go work on a smudge on a painted wall. It will take a couple of time but the one spot will be paint free. It will rub the paint off the surface and they can prove to themselves that I know what I'm talking about. Be sure to do this to an inconspicuous spot :-) as they don't want a bare spot in the middle of a wall.

It does not matter how little polyester a cloth has in it. If there is even 20% polyester, it's going to scratch the surface with time. It does not matter how it's made or how soft. If it has polyester it will scratch period. I have talked with the manufacturers of these products at a convention called International Sanitary Supply Association. It is THE largest convention for the janitorial supply (or what is now called Jan San) industry in the world. I already knew the damage microfiber would cause but I wanted to hear it from the manufacturers. I talked with 7 of the companies at two different conventions and all 7 of them finally admitted this would happen. These were the actual manufacturers from Taiwan and China.

Also remember that most car paints are NOT clear coat so whoever said that is mistaken. Most, and probably not all, are what is called gelcoat. With gelcoats, the clear coat is mixed in with the paint and then applied. Some of the very very expensive cars are clear coated but few. There are boats and RVs that have gelcoat and not clear coat. With clear coat finishes the paint is applied first and then the clear coat put on after that. Gel coats the clear coat is in the paint so it's a one step application and not two. I know this because I have met with two of the largest paint manufacturing companies in the U.S. and they have told me about the differences and the change in the paints. They also verified for me about how quickly a vehicle will oxidize with the paints after 2003. The new paints will oxidize within 3 to 4 months versus 18 to 24 months with the old lead based paints.

With clear coat finishes the stamina of the clear coat depends on the number of coats applied. On the cars that do have it you are lucky to have one application. High end motorhomes will have maybe 2 or 3 the expensive Prevost will have 4 or 5 possibly more. Gelcoat finishes generally are a one time application so they oxidize quickly.

In one of the statements it was said that the paint was coming off. Well the paint is coming off the car because it's oxidizing. That means they have either been using microfiber to clean it and it is already removing the gelcoat. Or they have used silicone, which is what is used in products where you add a capfull to a bucket of water and it will wax as well. The problem with silicone products is once a vehicle does start oxidizing you have problems. You cannot completely remove silicone. I deal with all kinds of business owners in the RV industry. Quite a few of them have car repair shops and paint shops. They all have told me that they will not repaint a car etc if the owner has used silicone. Nothing sticks to silicone if you have ever tried to paint caulking around your windows. Since it won't completely come off, you get an uneven paint job and that will peel off in very short time.

Now they may also be using a wax with a low grade petroleum distillate. If that happens, it also causes oxidation and that will become evident because the paint is coming off on the rag. You better use an oxidation remover and fast or you will have no paint left in short time. My Advantage does contain agents that will remove oxidation if it has just begun or started a year or so ago.

The only problem with distillates is even if the bottle does tell you it contains distillates you don't know if it's a high or low grade until you start to oxidize. Then you know you have a low grade and you better switch products or you won't have any paint left. Also if you are only using a wax once or twice a year and paint is coming off, it means you need to wax a bit more often to remove the oxidation and get a sealant built back up then back that off to 3 times a year.

I cannot tell you the horror stories I've heard about Armour All. One man during a seminar told me it ruined the original convertible top on his old show car. I forget the model right now, it's been awhile. Cracking in the dash board does not surprise me. Yes my Leather/Vinyl Care is quite good. It is 100% natural and does not contain any chemicals at all. It will not leave your seat slick and it cleans as well as conditions so you have a one step process and not two. The nice thing is you can dilute it 5 parts water to 1 part Leather Care and use it inbetween deep conditioning to clean your seats, dash etc. That way you still get the benefits of the conditioning yet you are only cleaning.

Now for wheels on cars. Look to see if your wheels are shiny. If they are don 't use a metal polish on them. Use soap and water only and don't be using anything stronger than baby shampoo to wash your car. It's all you need. But those wheels are sealed and if you use a metal polish on them it will take the sealant off and then they are very difficult to clean and usually have to be replaced. Aluminum wheels are good for the polishes. Two of them are excellent - Met All and Flitz. I like the Met All the best but that is only after testing 9 or 10 of the products. I have not tested all of them. I like to give my seminar attendees good products to use so when I go to the International Trade conventions I pick up samples and test them.

I also have an excellent window cleaner called Benya but you can also remove those streaks on windows by mixing 50/50 water and rubbing alcohol, the kind found in the grocery store and wipe over the window. It will remove all that as long as you have a clean towel.

The next thing is don't wash the towels you use in powdered detergents. It will also scratch your car. Some, not all, but some powdered detergents are made from sawdust - yes sawdust. I had a manager of one of the manufacturers tell me that. It is blown into a room and then treated to turn white with a bit of detergent added. Well sawdust will also scratch.

Amy you have my permission to use this on the forum.

Mary Findley
www.goclean.com

- - - - -

[jmhumr]

Gel coats the clear coat is in the paint so it's a one step application and not two. I know this because I have met with two of the largest paint manufacturing companies in the U.S. and they have told me about the differences and the change in the paints. They also verified for me about how quickly a vehicle will oxidize with the paints after 2003. The new paints will oxidize within 3 to 4 months versus 18 to 24 months with the old lead based paints.

That statement right there makes me question her knowledge. E-coat paints have won various auto tech awards, and there's no way car companies would use paint that oxidizes within 3-4 months. I mean, think about it: Most new cars sit on the dealership lot for 3+ months. That's like Frito Lay selling chips that go stale within 3 weeks of production. It makes no sense. Most people don't wax/polish their car like they should, and car companies realize this. For them to sell cars that will look like crap within a year with no maintenance isn't good advertising. I mean, are you really gonna be inclined to buy a Maxima if all of the 2005 ones you see on the road look like crap? No.

Anyway, back on topic, microfiber vs. cotton depends on what your'e doing. There's no universal "right" answer. Most wax/polish companies suggest you use the best cotton towel you can find (ie, the swanky towels at Bed Bath & Beyond). Most car wash companies suggest you use microfiber. Gee, what could be the reason? Cotton polishes better, but microfiber absorbs/dries better. It is as simple as that. Unless you don't know what you're doing, neither will scratch your car.

[CXRabbit]

LOL, ever look at the expiration of chips? They go bad quicker than you think ;)

I took what she said to mean that oxidation can BEGIN as quickly as 3 to 4 months. Oxidation occurs over time, and is not noticeable for quite a while. I mean my mother went without washing her car for an entire year, but it's not like it turned into a rolling ball of paintless rust. When it was washed though, you could clearly see the toll her neglect took on the paint.

Plain old water will damage your car in a short period of time and I've seen it happen, so I do not at all find it unbelievable that without care oxidation will begin within 3-4 months.

[dread]

This is an interesting debate, I actually use microfiber and cotton t-shirts and I am not sure which one is better, My car came with some swirls on it and it doesn't seem to be getting worse. I think the key is for the cloth to be clean and to not press hard, when dusting or polishing. My microfiber cloths are 80/20 and work excellent on windows. I would really like to know what is best for my car because I hate swirls marks and I have a black car.

[CXRabbit]

Well Dread, there's s difference of opinion here. The company I bought my product from swears that microfiber is very bad for your paint (on cars newer than 2003), and that 100% cotton diapers are much better. She's willing to fax anyone who wants to see the warnings that used to be on microfiber packaging.

I'm personally going to stick with microfiber for my windows, but 100% cotton diaper rags for the body of my car.

[azcat]

Well Dread, there's s difference of opinion here. The company I bought my product from swears that microfiber is very bad for your paint (on cars newer than 2003), and that 100% cotton diapers are much better. She's willing to fax anyone who wants to see the warnings that used to be on microfiber packaging.

I'm personally going to stick with microfiber for my windows, but 100% cotton diaper rags for the body of my car.

I don't think anything I say will change your mind, but your "expert" just doesn't make sense.

"Rub a wall?" C'mon! Anyone who's tried to clean fingerprints off a wall knows that anything you rub interior latex with will remove paint! I don't care if you use pure silk, paint will come off. And wall paint and automotive finishes may both be water-based, but so are Jim Beam and Diet Coke, but they they have very different properties!

Granted: auto paints post-2003 are softer, ok? But the plastic rear window in my Miata is softer than any paint, and I've been using quality microfiber to clean and polish it for years, and it's a clear as it was when I bought it, when the car had six miles on the odo.

The diapers I bought have hems on them, stitched with clear, plastic thread. The tags say, "100% cotton." They lie. I've don't have enough time or money to sue Wal-Mart.

Final comment: quality microfiber is safe to use on any auto finish, in accordance with my experience. I'm not selling anything, and have no stake one way or the other.

'Nuff said. I'm done.

[Tasty]

Autopia.org

I don't mean this to be rude, but there is so much BAD information on how to care for your car on here I don't even know where to start. Go to Autopia, read up, and dispel some of these myths that are flying around. Using diapers and stuff like that on your paint with what is available today is like reading by candlelight when there is a lamp right next to you. Car care products today are great, but there continue to be bad methods out there that just won't die.

[CXRabbit]

Well, anyone who doesn't agree why not at least write to her and ask her to fax you the manufacturers box that SAYS not to use it on your painted vehicle.

Azcat, I don't know what cotton diapers you bought but the ones I have do NOT have hems with plastic threading. They have no hems at all, no stitching anywhere. Maybe the problem is you're buying them at Walmart. I wouldn't use anything with plastic stitching in it on my car or on a baby! LOL

Tasty... I don't doubt it at all - and honestly, you can find one site that says one thing and another that says something completely the opposite. I've read from guys who swear by 100% cotton diapers. I've read from others who pray to the microfiber god. All I know is that if the microfiber manufacturers themselves admit their product will scratch your paint, why should I doubt it.

[Tasty]

Well, anyone who doesn't agree why not at least write to her and ask her to fax you the manufacturers box that SAYS not to use it on your painted vehicle.

Azcat, I don't know what cotton diapers you bought but the ones I have do NOT have hems with plastic threading. They have no hems at all, no stitching anywhere. Maybe the problem is you're buying them at Walmart. I wouldn't use anything with plastic stitching in it on my car or on a baby! LOL

Tasty... I don't doubt it at all - and honestly, you can find one site that says one thing and another that says something completely the opposite. I've read from guys who swear by 100% cotton diapers. I've read from others who pray to the microfiber god. All I know is that if the microfiber manufacturers themselves admit their product will scratch your paint, why should I doubt it.

ANY towel will scratch your paint if you don't use it correctly. Microfiber, 100% cotton, whatever. Paint care is mostly about technique and process. If you find something that works, doesn't mar/swirl your clearcoat then go with it. :)

[jmhumr]

Autopia.org

I don't mean this to be rude, but there is so much BAD information on how to care for your car on here I don't even know where to start. Go to Autopia, read up, and dispel some of these myths that are flying around. Using diapers and stuff like that on your paint with what is available today is like reading by candlelight when there is a lamp right next to you. Car care products today are great, but there continue to be bad methods out there that just won't die.

I'll second that. Autopia.org is the community I referenced in my product recommendations above.

[meanstreak]

Being in a colder winter climate I was on the search for a solution to keeping the car clean without having to always wash it. I found an amazing product that works exactly as advertised and wow, is it easy to do. The car wash is fine once in a while but it can get expensive, and they don't apply any kind of protectant or wax (without paying a small fortune).

It's called Mary Moppins Advantage... (http://www.goclean.com/advantage.htm)
"Finally, you can put a show room shine on any vehicle without paying the cost of show room polishes. Advantage, made exclusively for the Mary Moppins Company, washes and protects your vehicle in one quick step."

I used it on my Crystal Pearl White CX-7 today and it came out amazing. Not only is it nice and clean, but it looks like it's been polished AND it leaves a nice slick surface so you know it's going to stay cleaner longer.

I'm not usually one to praise a product so strongly, but anyone who wants to keep their car in good shape, protect their paint, and have it be fairly EASY, I'd recommend this one without a doubt. It's also silicone- and petroleum distillate-free which is apparently important with post 2003/4 cars.

I use terry-cloth towels or 100% cotton baby diapers to clean and buff. DO NOT use microfiber... you'll end up with swirl marks.

For the glass I use Invisible Glass (http://www.invisibleglass.com/) -- it virtually streak-free (god, I hate streaks on my windows and windex SUCKS). Microfiber cloth is fine for this... and lint free!

For the leather, so far I've used Armor All Leather Wipes (http://www.armorall.com/prod_leatherwipes.html) -- I'm open to suggestions in this area. I use the wipe and then rub out excess and rub in with cotton baby diaper.

For the interior I simply use Armor All Cleaning Wipes (http://www.armorall.com/prod_cleaningwipes.html) and a cotton baby diaper to wipe off excess.

I'll be buying a box of those LCD cleaner pads (http://www.pixelclean.com/product/PixelClean-Wet-And-Dry-Travel-Wipes-Set-of-12.html) to keep in the car. In the meantime I grabbed some from work. The finger prints are enough to drive a person like me crazy :)

Anyone else have suggestions to offer?

(psst. Really... buy the Advantage stuff... it's amazing)
Can I use the Advantage no matter how dirty it is. I'm a little concerned that it might rub the dirt into the paint.

[CXRabbit]

I wouldn't use it if you haven't kept up on keeping it clean. If it's really dirty I'd run it through a quick car wash first (brushless) and then treat it with the Advantage afterwards (when dry).

[meanstreak]

BTW, after I replied to you I e-mailed my "expert" and she already wrote back. I don't want to post her e-mail because I don't have her permission to do so, but here is a short quote from it...

"Microfiber is made from 85% polyester. Polyester is plastic and plastic scratches. It may take 3 or 4 years but trust me it will take the finish off you car and cause it to oxidize. I had a man tell me this year at an RV rally he wished he had listened to my adivce 4 years ago. It just cost him $12,000 to have his 40 foot motorhome repainted. I can't tell you the nightmare stories I hear usually all of them at my seminars when people stand up and tell the other attendees to listen to me and then relate their horror stories like the one above."

I encourage you to write to her if you if you want more info. She told me that 100% cotton baby diapers are definitely better as long as I make sure they are 100% cotton (and most are). Terry cloth is ok, but again, needs to be 100% cotton (and a lot of them are not).

You can write to her here:
http://www.goclean.com/contactus.htm

Does this apply to all microfiber cloths?? This is a bit off topic but microfiber cloths are used very commonly by photographers to clean lenses. The optic coatings on lenses are much more delicate than autopaint. I'm not doubting anyone, but it seems kind of strange that they are acceptable for photgraphy and not autos.

[CXRabbit]

Microfiber is safe for glass. I understand what you're saying about the lens coatings (I'm a serious hobby photographer myself) and I can't say I know the definitive answer on that... but I know when it comes to auto cleaning microfiber is GREAT for anything not painted (on cars post 2003/2004 - paint formulas have changed). I'm certainly not the expert on microfiber and I know there are people who disagree... but what I've read about it makes sense, so I stick with 100% cotton - NOTHING with polyester in it.

[Tasty]

Microfiber is safe for glass. I understand what you're saying about the lens coatings (I'm a serious hobby photographer myself) and I can't say I know the definitive answer on that... but I know when it comes to auto cleaning microfiber is GREAT for anything not painted (on cars post 2003/2004 - paint formulas have changed). I'm certainly not the expert on microfiber and I know there are people who disagree... but what I've read about it makes sense, so I stick with 100% cotton - NOTHING with polyester in it.

ANYTHING will damage paint if used incorrectly. Even 100% cotton. There is no magic product. I use microfiber on my cars all the time, and I guarantee you I have less swirls in my paint than 99% of the cars on the road.

[mikey1981]

so i picked up a pack of these microfiber towels a few weeks ago, we got a heat wave for a bout 2 days here in RI, one weekend in Jan it hit almost 70.

I have never seen my car look as good as it did, that day. I hand wash my cars, since ive been i dont even kno how old, always took pride in doing the wash myself.

After using those towels, it was like a halo got wrapped around my ride. Say what u want about scratching paint, if it shows up 4 yrs later, well, whatever ill prob be in the new cx7 anyways lol. Ive never seen the finish on a car look that good, that shiny, no streaks, and none of the lose fibers from cotton towels stuck all over the car.

UNtil i see otherwise, microfiber all the way. amen.

[mikey1981]

And, cotton towels - on my dark car, r prob the absolute WORST thing to dry it with, the swirls, the fiber that sheds, and even straight outta the dryer sometimes i feel like i scratching the paint. To be honest, i didnt even kno about microfiber till i went to autozone to get some car wash stuff. I will never go back. I felt like i was spreading butter on my car with the mircro towels when i was drying it.

[papaalex]

UNtil i see otherwise, microfiber all the way. amen.

same here! (first)

[meanstreak]

Microfiber is safe for glass. I understand what you're saying about the lens coatings (I'm a serious hobby photographer myself) and I can't say I know the definitive answer on that... but I know when it comes to auto cleaning microfiber is GREAT for anything not painted (on cars post 2003/2004 - paint formulas have changed). I'm certainly not the expert on microfiber and I know there are people who disagree... but what I've read about it makes sense, so I stick with 100% cotton - NOTHING with polyester in it.
It's not the glass that is the issue, its the lens coating. Lens coatings are much more delicate than paint coatings and a lot thinner. Simply allowing the oils and acids from a fingerprint can damage a lens coating so if microfiber is safe for photography, it's difficult to imagine the microfiber cloth damaging clear coat on auto paint. Unless of course the microfiber used for photography is a higher grade. I'm not saying microfiber is safe for today's auto finishes, but I don't know what to believe. BTW, I wnet to the advantgae site and noticed that she doesn't reccomend cotton diapers on vehicles after 2002. In that case she recommnds lambs wool, which she also happens to sell.

On a different note, I also don't know who to believe when it comes to leather care. There are some in the leather industry who say to only use silicone based leather care products, others who say silicone is not good either. The real dilema is that often you can't even find the ingredients listed on the bottle.

[otnielarencibia]

I have proof of microfiber scratching my paint. I use microfiber only on the inside or to clean glass.

[mikey1981]

From Wikipedia:

Microfiber is fiber with strands less than one denier. Fabrics made with microfibers are exceptionally soft and hold their shape well. They are also used for some cleaning applications, because of their exceptional ability to absorb oils.

Microfiber performance apparel has become a very popular alternative to cotton apparel for athletic wear, such as cycling jerseys, because the microfiber material wicks moisture away from the body, keeping the athlete cool and dry.

The NBA used a microfiber ball so players could handle the ball better. This would come about because mirofiber has the ability to absorb oils, meaning that sweat from players touching the ball would be absorbed, making the ball less slippery. However, it received a negative response from most players, including Shaquille O'Neal and Allen Iverson. Soon after, the regular leather ball returned, much to the relief of many players.

Microfiber is also widely used by car detailers to handle such tasks as removing wax, quick detailing, cleaning interior, cleaning glass, as well as drying. Due to its fine fibers which leave no lint or dust, microfiber is a popular choice of towel for avid car detailers and enthusiasts. Chamois leather is also used.

Care should be exercised when using microfiber for cleaning of sensitive surfaces. By nature it accumulates dust, debris, and particles inside its material. Sensitive surfaces can easily be damaged by microfiber cloths.[citation needed] A solution is to wash and dry microfiber cloth after each use, care should be taken to use prescribed washing and drying methods to ensure proper handling. Microfiber cloths which are not washed and dried carefully and strictly according to washing instructions will lose their effectiveness and become more dangerous in cleaning sensitive surfaces (such as all high tech coated surfaces e.g. CRT, LCD and plasma screens).

Microfibers used in table cloths, furniture, and car interiors are constructed to repel liquids and consequently are difficult to stain. Microfiber table cloths will bead liquids until they are removed, usually advertised showing red wine on a white table cloth that wipes clean with a paper towel. It is also used to clean mop heads.

Microfiber textiles tend to be flammable and emit toxic gases when burning. They are made with synthetic fibers such as polyester and nylon, which are made from petrochemicals. Microfibers are not made from a renewable resource and they are not biodegradable. However, the petroleum energy used in fertilizers, pesticides, transportation and processing to produce cotton and other renewable resource fibres may out weigh direct use of the petroleum as base stock for producing fibre.

[joevac10]

microfiber does not scratch. you probably weren't using a microfiber cloth. you should make sure what kind of cloth you are using befor you go to wipe your car down.

[otnielarencibia]

microfiber does not scratch. you probably weren't using a microfiber cloth. you should make sure what kind of cloth you are using befor you go to wipe your car down.
I know what I have, and it is a microfiber cloth...and I can show you pictures...whenever I'd get around to it. I honestly thought until that day that microfiber did not scratch. Maybe I scrubbed to hard...

[mikey1981]

well that could be ur problem right there, you arent supposed to "scrub" with a towel. thatd cause horrible results no matter what fabric.

[Miller2]

BTW, after I replied to you I e-mailed my "expert" and she already wrote back. I don't want to post her e-mail because I don't have her permission to do so, but here is a short quote from it...

"Microfiber is made from 85% polyester. Polyester is plastic and plastic scratches. It may take 3 or 4 years but trust me it will take the finish off you car and cause it to oxidize. I had a man tell me this year at an RV rally he wished he had listened to my adivce 4 years ago. It just cost him $12,000 to have his 40 foot motorhome repainted. I can't tell you the nightmare stories I hear usually all of them at my seminars when people stand up and tell the other attendees to listen to me and then relate their horror stories like the one above."

I encourage you to write to her if you if you want more info. She told me that 100% cotton baby diapers are definitely better as long as I make sure they are 100% cotton (and most are). Terry cloth is ok, but again, needs to be 100% cotton (and a lot of them are not).

You can write to her here:
http://www.goclean.com/contactus.htm

Incorrect. I have been detailing cars with microfiber for years and have never had a problem. I have been using microfiber on my own vehicle since new, it is now 5 yrs old, and the finish is better than the day I bought it. Feel free to use microfiber without worries. I have no idea where she got her info from.

[Miller2]

I know what I have, and it is a microfiber cloth...and I can show you pictures...whenever I'd get around to it. I honestly thought until that day that microfiber did not scratch. Maybe I scrubbed to hard...

Safe bet you were using the microfiber incorrectly. Also, be sure NOT to wash microfiber with regular cotton towels. The cotton strands will adhere to the microfiber THEN the microfiber will scratch. Always wash microfiber products separately.

[Int3grity]

What is a claybar used for I was checking out the zaino product complete care option and it comes with a clay bar

[UpNorth]

What is a claybar used for I was checking out the zaino product complete care option and it comes with a clay bar

Clay is used to remove contaminents that don't come off in normal washing. Some clays are more abrasive than others. the rougher stuff should only be used once or twice a year. the more gentle clay can be used monthly.

I recently bought some but haven't used it yet. I plan to before the next time I need to (or want to) wax.

What little I know about claying comes from autopia, a site devoted to detailing. I put the link below. There are also discussion forums. It's a cool site.

http://autopia.org/forum/guide-detailing/80231-detailing-clay-pre-wax-cleaning.html

[zoomzoom mazda5]

Go to www.autopia.org or www.autogeek.net , and ask the Pro's on this matter and you will get the right answer. MF's rules!

[midwest cx7]

Go to www.autopia.org or www.autogeek.net , and ask the Pro's on this matter and you will get the right answer. MF's rules!

That's for sure!

I've used Zaino on my past two cars (Bimmer M3 and Explorer) and I think it's the best stuff on the planet..Plan on spending a good couple hours on a vehicle the size of our cx-7's but imo worth every minute.