XEDE Engine Management System Available Soon!!!

[Captain KRM P5]

Through our partner ship with BEGi, we'll be sending a willing volunteer to thier shop in texas to fit and tune a Vishnu XEDE engine management system to the Mazdaspeed6. ProtegeGarage will be the exclusive reseller for XEDE systems on these cars and the results are promising.

Fitted to a Mazdaspeed3, this system gave the car a whopping 290whp and 310lb/ft of torque on the dyno with no other modifications. The system has been used to great effect on the Mazdaspeed Miata and we expect the same from this system on the MS3/MS6. From BEGi's miata features and descriptions;

The XEDE is the most user friendly engine management available! It plugs directly into the stock ECU and requires no tuning. The XEDE comes pre-programmed for your application.

How does the XEDE work?
It is wired into a wire harness that plugs into the stock ECU. It intercepts signals to the ECU. For example, by intercepting the crank signal, the XEDE can advance or retard timing. By intercepting the load signal, the XEDE can make fuel mixtures richer or leaner. It remains under closed loop during idle, and goes open loop under boost. The MazdaSpeed Miata (MSM) XEDE also allows the user to control the boost levels.

Installing the XEDE....
This is probably the easiest aftermarket performance part you will ever install on your car! The hardest part is installing injectors, and that too is not difficult. Once the injectors are installed, plug the XEDE & wire harness into the stock ECU. Turn the key on. Turn the Key off. Start the engine. Rev the engine, watch the LED light turn green, and you are ready to drive. The MSM requires a new wire installed to the boost solonoid. It's so simple, even Stephanie could install the injectors and figure it out! No broken nails either.

Practical Information...
What is more practical than get in and drive? Forget tuning the car every time you drive it or the weather changes. Short of getting struck by lightening, the XEDE won't fail. It will be the most reliable piece of hardware on your car.

TheXEDE cannot change the rev limiter on any Miata.

The XEDE can be used on ALL Miatas.

The MSM XEDE will illuminate the check engine light. It changes the stock ECU boost and TPS signal. Please contact us for more information on OBDII inspection. Black tape covers the CEL. The MSM XEDE comes with 440 cc Injectors.

The 1999+ turbocharged and supercharged Miata's have passed OBD II and Emission Inspection in Texas.

The Xede has been installed on the 2006 MX-5!
XEDE Technical Specifications


1200 possible adjustments

0.1% accuracy on MAF, MAP, and TPS adjustments
0.1degree accuracy on timing adjustments
Direct plug-in wire harness (no cutting or splicing required)
Fully sealed, rugged, and lightweight housing
Support for hall and reluctor type crank and / or cam timing signals
Support for analog or frequency MAF and MAP / load signals
One additional 10-bit analog input
One auxiliary digital input / output
Internal storage space for up to 12 tuning maps
Built-in boost control (MSM only)
Built-in knock signal adjust feature (MSM Only)
Self-configurable load axis, input and output variables, adjustment range, and math function for each map
'Map Select' input to change between one of two unique tuning maps
Bi-color status LED

[Nutari]

Through our partner ship with BEGi, we'll be sending a willing volunteer to thier shop in texas to fit and tune a Vishnu XEDE engine management system to the Mazdaspeed6. ProtegeGarage will be the exclusive reseller for XEDE systems on these cars and the results are promising.

Fitted to a Mazdaspeed3, this system gave the car a whopping 290whp and 310lb/ft of torque on the dyno with no other modifications. The system has been used to great effect on the Mazdaspeed Miata and we expect the same from this system on the MS3/MS6. From BEGi's miata features and descriptions;

The XEDE is the most user friendly engine management available! It plugs directly into the stock ECU and requires no tuning. The XEDE comes pre-programmed for your application.

How does the XEDE work?
It is wired into a wire harness that plugs into the stock ECU. It intercepts signals to the ECU. For example, by intercepting the crank signal, the XEDE can advance or retard timing. By intercepting the load signal, the XEDE can make fuel mixtures richer or leaner. It remains under closed loop during idle, and goes open loop under boost. The MazdaSpeed Miata (MSM) XEDE also allows the user to control the boost levels.

Installing the XEDE....
This is probably the easiest aftermarket performance part you will ever install on your car! The hardest part is installing injectors, and that too is not difficult. Once the injectors are installed, plug the XEDE & wire harness into the stock ECU. Turn the key on. Turn the Key off. Start the engine. Rev the engine, watch the LED light turn green, and you are ready to drive. The MSM requires a new wire installed to the boost solonoid. It's so simple, even Stephanie could install the injectors and figure it out! No broken nails either.

Practical Information...
What is more practical than get in and drive? Forget tuning the car every time you drive it or the weather changes. Short of getting struck by lightening, the XEDE won't fail. It will be the most reliable piece of hardware on your car.

TheXEDE cannot change the rev limiter on any Miata.

The XEDE can be used on ALL Miatas.

The MSM XEDE will illuminate the check engine light. It changes the stock ECU boost and TPS signal. Please contact us for more information on OBDII inspection. Black tape covers the CEL. The MSM XEDE comes with 440 cc Injectors.

The 1999+ turbocharged and supercharged Miata's have passed OBD II and Emission Inspection in Texas.

The Xede has been installed on the 2006 MX-5!
XEDE Technical Specifications


1200 possible adjustments

0.1% accuracy on MAF, MAP, and TPS adjustments
0.1degree accuracy on timing adjustments
Direct plug-in wire harness (no cutting or splicing required)
Fully sealed, rugged, and lightweight housing
Support for hall and reluctor type crank and / or cam timing signals
Support for analog or frequency MAF and MAP / load signals
One additional 10-bit analog input
One auxiliary digital input / output
Internal storage space for up to 12 tuning maps
Built-in boost control (MSM only)
Built-in knock signal adjust feature (MSM Only)
Self-configurable load axis, input and output variables, adjustment range, and math function for each map
'Map Select' input to change between one of two unique tuning maps
Bi-color status LED


(shocked) (shocked) (first) (first)

[Black_Protege_5]

This is good news. Can't wait to see the results.

[buit9110]

nice!!! very nice!!!

[quiet desperado]

Through our partner ship with BEGi, we'll be sending a willing volunteer to thier shop in texas to fit and tune a Vishnu XEDE engine management system to the Mazdaspeed6. ProtegeGarage will be the exclusive reseller for XEDE systems on these cars and the results are promising.

Fitted to a Mazdaspeed3, this system gave the car a whopping 290whp and 310lb/ft of torque on the dyno with no other modifications. ....

Dying to see the dynos to see where all the power is being made.

[kalte]

there goes my paycheck (first)

[chiefmg]

Any idea of the cost yet?

[Anon Y Mous]

subbing to give you more of my child support money....that bitch don't need it anyway.

[Chris-BE]

Any idea of the cost yet?

It will be at least $800, but probably $950-$1150.

I don't think the dyno sheet will be up for a few days.

The stock numbers vs XEDE numbers for Speed3:

Same dyno

Stock: 240whp, 280lbft of torque
w/Xede: 290whp, 315lbft of torque

[StealthWyvern]

who thats some impressive gains

[Klip]

I want one.....................:) (shocked) (shocked)

[Skywlkr]

So the CEL comes on when this is installed?

[freekwonder]

kick ass. can't wait to see what this wil do an an MS6.

[doogie]

Good to hear.

[Anon Y Mous]

what exactly was altered to get those types of gains? I doubt it was done on fuel control alone. Does this tuner remove the factory boost limiter? If so the gains are much more understandable.

I'm very interested.

[Skywlkr]

I am a newbie here, so bear with me. What is the gain of doing this if you are going to trigger the CEL? If the CEL is triggered you will not be able to pass emissions and if you take it to the dealer to be reset or work done it will void you warranty correct?

What is the advantage to this over the accessport that Cobb Tuning is releasing in the spring that will not trigger the CEL?

I might be confused, someone shed some light for me.

[StuttersC]

Any chance of this little piece of neat-ness working on other 6's?? Such as the 3.0-liter V6???

[jcgemt2003]

I am a newbie here, so bear with me. What is the gain of doing this if you are going to trigger the CEL? If the CEL is triggered you will not be able to pass emissions and if you take it to the dealer to be reset or work done it will void you warranty correct?

What is the advantage to this over the accessport that Cobb Tuning is releasing in the spring that will not trigger the CEL?

I might be confused, someone shed some light for me.
Im with you on this one....

[Captain KRM P5]

the accessport will not have the range of tunability or functionality of the XEDE in our opinion - more on that later. also, we are working to see that it does not on the ms3 and ms6 trigger a CEL

[Skywlkr]

the accessport will not have the range of tunability or functionality of the XEDE in our opinion - more on that later. also, we are working to see that it does not on the ms3 and ms6 trigger a CEL


sounds great. I can't wait to see what comes of this and the FMIC that you are working on. Keep up the good work. :)

[JDM Sam]

This gonna be interesting.
Waiting to see the dyno graphs with AFR.

[StuttersC]

Any chance of this little piece of neat-ness working on other 6's?? Such as the 3.0-liter V6???

Yeah, what he said!

[MrTea]

given what we've seen on the speed6, i say hitting a 50hp gain is pretty easy if boost is held to redline. i would hope that holdign boost for another 1k as well as some tuning should net those gains for sure. will have to wait to see the dyno if that's where most of the gains are.


....and i'm down for some test fitting it on a little 6i as well, i have a few mods that might like this

[k-lea]

Yay! I run the Xede in the MSM.


VERY good stuff. Although, my car didn't like it at first.

[mrmister]

What do you mean it didn't like it at first? Did you have to do something to make it operate correctly?

Also, I heard that you can only reflash the ECU a certain amount of times. Does this actually reflash the ECU, or does it override the ECU?

[k-lea]

What do you mean it didn't like it at first? Did you have to do something to make it operate correctly?

Also, I heard that you can only reflash the ECU a certain amount of times. Does this actually reflash the ECU, or does it override the ECU?

There were TONS of factors of why it wasn't working properly. I was the first one to purchase a BEGI "fabricated" XEDE and the most important wire was missing, my boost. I was running stock boost then we figured out what the deal was and it jumped me up to 10psi.

Also, I was having idleing issues. I was open loop at idle and I'd sit there and my car would die. My car is the only one they know of that took the system like a sickness. Everyone else (MSM's) are super happy with their purchase.

It'd take days to explain exactly what was going on but we finally fixed it. There were more things that were wrong but it obviously wasn't the ems that was causing it my car was just not taking it nicely. BUT it's all better and runs like a champ.

It's a easy system to tune and I found it worth my money.

Overrides ECU.

[Bigg Tim]

Will it be tunable by the user? That's some pretty good numbers for a stock setup.

[Captain KRM P5]

Will it be tunable by the user? That's some pretty good numbers for a stock setup.

yes this system will be user tunable

[jmv]

damn, one mod and you've got 290whp on a speed 3?? I'm driving the wrong car........

[Captain KRM P5]

stephanie at bell engineering just called me with some new details including price; $999 for the mazdaspeed3 and mazdaspeed6 models

[crazyspeed6]

When was this supposed to be available? Sorry if I missed that.

[trees]

+1

[StuttersC]

stephanie at bell engineering just called me with some new details including price; $999 for the mazdaspeed3 and mazdaspeed6 models

Nice...Any chance this will be able to work (adapted) on the N/A Mazda 6s???

[Captain KRM P5]

When was this supposed to be available? Sorry if I missed that.

we should be able to start shipping units shortly after the holidays

[StephanieT]

So far, there has not been a CEL on the MS3. The Xede controls the fueling, boost, timing and O2 signal.
Stephanie

[Nutari]

So far, there has not been a CEL on the MS3. The Xede controls the fueling, boost, timing and O2 signal.
Stephanie
Hi there Steph. Been watching this progress from the other 3 forum. I'm very excited (Ask Ken) about this. Hoping its released very soon.

[k-lea]

So far, there has not been a CEL on the MS3. The Xede controls the fueling, boost, timing and O2 signal.
Stephanie
Hey, I KNOW YOU!

[Grodzman]

Why is this thing so expensive?

Greddy E-Manage - $300
APEX'i AFC Neo - $350
Greddy E-Manage Ultimate - $510
Hondata S300 - $590
Cobb AccessPORT v2 - $695

This isn't a standalone replacement unit, right? Also, does it come with software for modifying the base maps (ignition, timing, fuel, etc...) and datalogging?

[Captain KRM P5]

Why is this thing so expensive?

Greddy E-Manage - $300
APEX'i AFC Neo - $350
Greddy E-Manage Ultimate - $510
Hondata S300 - $590
Cobb AccessPORT v2 - $695

This isn't a standalone replacement unit, right? Also, does it come with software for modifying the base maps (ignition, timing, fuel, etc...) and datalogging?
to my best knowledge, the emanage and apexi lines do not truly work on these ECUs. unless someone has proven otherwise. for the sake of argument lets say that they do;

the emanage is fuel only as is the apexi. the cobb, the emanage ultimate, emanage and apexi do not control or alter boost levels, at least not out of the box. i don't even know why hondata is listed here.

the system has the ability to switch from open to closed loop. this feature alone is something few others can claim to. i'm sure stephanie will chime in on some of the benefits XEDE offers that the others do not. and yes, base maps for fuel and timing are included.

[4DRHTRD]

I need this badly and will be willing to drive to TX if I can get a place to stay while I'm there. I'd love to see my car be able to fully use all of the mods I've done to it.

[k-lea]

I need this badly and will be willing to drive to TX if I can get a place to stay while I'm there. I'd love to see my car be able to fully use all of the mods I've done to it.
You can crash at my place. (evil)

Hit up the Tejas section.

[Spool-N-Up]

If there hasnt been a volunteer yet, Ill take one for the team... just let me know

[k-lea]

If this happens, keep me updated! A chance to spend a day with BEGI is a chance of a lifetime. Really great people.

Also, I'd love to watch.

[StephanieT]

Hey, I KNOW YOU!

(hi)
I got your e-mail! I'll send you a note later. :)
Stephanie

[StephanieT]

I need this badly and will be willing to drive to TX if I can get a place to stay while I'm there. I'd love to see my car be able to fully use all of the mods I've done to it.

What is taking you so long???? We have a couch here! j/k
Give me a call - we'll see what we can do.
Stephanie

[Grodzman]

http://www.airpowersystems.com.au/falcon/ecu_study/xede_signals.htm

[StephanieT]

That link relates to a ford focus. Not applicable to Mazda's, Subaru's, or Mitsubishi's. I don't think the Xede has been installed on a Ford Focus. :confused:
Stephanie

[Captain KRM P5]

http://www.airpowersystems.com.au/falcon/ecu_study/xede_signals.htm

i brought this up with Bell Engineering and they say in thier extensive testing on the Miata and the Mazdaspeed vehicles - as well as Vishnu's own work with the WRX and Evolution - that these Ford related issues have not been present whatsoever.

[Anon Y Mous]

WHy does this system cost more?? Let's put it together FOR GOOD.

1. XEDE's known quality for making hardware. Look at the top teir tuners that use them.

2. Protegegarage's known customer service. Can you get that with e-manage?

3. Bell Eng. known quality in the aftermarket. Is there a better FMU on the market? Who makes the best IC cores? Who wrote the book on turbocharging and tuning? Why question the hardware he chooses to support?

4. Vishnu is a top teir evo tuner and they use these on their insane cars. Nuff said.


it adds up. You get what you pay for. Cobb is a great tuner but make sure you're comparing apples to apples. Not apples to buttholes.

[4DRHTRD]

I've signed up to be the Speed6 stock (bolt ons) and ATP turbo install guinea pig. We're working out the details but hopefully by Feb 1 we'll have a 350+ WHP Speed6 rolling!
:)

[Anon Y Mous]

pending this tuners ability I'll also be running the gt30 turbo. I'm shooting for first daily driven 400awhp 6. see you at the dyno.

[4DRHTRD]

Well it is my wife's DD, and I have the 3071R sitting in a box so I guess we'll see who gets there first....
:D
I'm more interested in low 12's/high 11's on street tire.

[Anon Y Mous]

just the turbo or the whole kit? The turbo doesn't do much good if you can't plumb it up fully.

I'm going to max out the stock turbo first before I bother with a larger one. I also want to get more familiar with the software before just throwing a bigger blower at it.

[4DRHTRD]

just the turbo or the whole kit? The turbo doesn't do much good if you can't plumb it up fully.

I'm going to max out the stock turbo first before I bother with a larger one. I also want to get more familiar with the software before just throwing a bigger blower at it.
Read my sig...

[voiceKoil]

That sounds unbelievable, 290 @ the wheels??? For $1000, count me in....I want to see some dynos too!

Maaaaaaannnnnnn Im gunna be so broke :( lol

My to Do list.....
CAI $330.....Pending
New 18's $1200 -1400
XEDE $1000

about $2500 for this spring, ah but its all about the smile it gives me when I step on the gas!!!

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2497000-2497999/2497424_33_full.jpg

[4DRHTRD]

That sounds unbelievable, 290 @ the wheels??? For $1000, count me in....I want to see some dynos too!

Maaaaaaannnnnnn Im gunna be so broke :( lol

My to Do list.....
CAI $330.....Pending
New 18's $1200 -1400
XEDE $1000

about $2500 for this spring, ah but its all about the smile it gives me when I step on the gas!!!

Then you'll get bored with that much power and spend $2500 more on the ATP Turbo kit... Then HELLO traction problems (that's why I sold my SRT-4).
:)

[Nutari]

Systems will be shipping out VERY SOON. These will not be Plug and play. These will be wire-in and only require a minimal amount of work more than a plug and play system. I was told about 6 wires only.

They are currently trying to source harnesses to make the system plug and play but wont be working on it till mid January.



So, it comes down to.. How dedicated are you?





I know im getting on the first batch...

[4DRHTRD]

I'm dedicated enough to drive to Texas, drop off my car and leave it there for a couple of weeks for prototyping and tuning.
:D

[Alpha Wolf]

What is the smog legality of this mod?

If not legal here in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia...

Can it be removed for maint and smog checks without a lot of time or effort? We have to do these very 24 months...

I also heard the CX7 is top speed limited by software, if this is true will this eliminate that limitation?

Regards,
Darryl

[Captain KRM P5]

What is the smog legality of this mod?

If not legal here in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia...

Can it be removed for maint and smog checks without a lot of time or effort? We have to do these very 24 months...

I also heard the CX7 is top speed limited by software, if this is true will this eliminate that limitation?

Regards,
Darryl

the car will not throw check engine lights and will therefore be emissions legal pretty much anywhere. once it is plug and play it is possible to swap in and out with ease. wired in we can set it up for you to be as easily removable with about 20 more minutes of work.

[k-lea]

the car will not throw check engine lights and will therefore be emissions legal pretty much anywhere. once it is plug and play it is possible to swap in and out with ease. wired in we can set it up for you to be as easily removable with about 20 more minutes of work.

Not trying to screw things up or bash the XEDE but my car does not run without it due to the larger injectors. I have a constant CEL and it flashes.

But, I can't complain since I like it and I enjoy it when people say "ZOMG YOUR CEL IS ON AND ITS FLASHING!" then I get to tell them how cool I am with a EMS.

[4DRHTRD]

Can't do injectors in the MS6 or fuel pump upgrades to do direct port injection and 1600 PSI...
:D
Had the same conversation with Stephanie on Friday due to fuel concerns with the ATP setup

[StephanieT]

The Xede does not have a CARB EO. Almost all products / vendors have a disclaimer "Not for street use in CA" for CARB reasons.

Stephanie

[Captain KRM P5]

Not trying to screw things up or bash the XEDE but my car does not run without it due to the larger injectors. I have a constant CEL and it flashes.

But, I can't complain since I like it and I enjoy it when people say "ZOMG YOUR CEL IS ON AND ITS FLASHING!" then I get to tell them how cool I am with a EMS.


The MSM CEL is different for a variety of reasons - the stock boost solenoid is re-wired as is the throttle position sensor. The MS3 ECU is "smart" enought that these mods are not needed.

thanks to the direct injection setup on these cars, different fuel injectors are not only unneeded, but not readily available either.

[got_titan]

so when will the plug n play xede be ready for the ms3? also does the xede come proloaded with maps to get you to the 290 whp? is that map based on certain mods? cant wait for this mod.......

[Nutari]

so when will the plug n play xede be ready for the ms3? also does the xede come proloaded with maps to get you to the 290 whp? is that map based on certain mods? cant wait for this mod.......
hm.. hard updating two threads.

BEGi is hoping to have the harnesses in by mid to end january. As of right now, the first sets going out will be hard wired.

the base map that comes loaded on the XEDE is for a totally stock mazdaspeed 3 and should put you at 288whp and 315tq

[got_titan]

hm.. hard updating two threads.

BEGi is hoping to have the harnesses in by mid to end january. As of right now, the first sets going out will be hard wired.

the base map that comes loaded on the XEDE is for a totally stock mazdaspeed 3 and should put you at 288whp and 315tq


so will they be an option for a map for those that have an intake, exhaust, and the upgraded top mount? or will they just have to use the base map?

[Nutari]

so will they be an option for a map for those that have an intake, exhaust, and the upgraded top mount? or will they just have to use the base map?
You can go in with a laptop and tune it to your hearts extent. Of course, there will be techsupport almost around the clock once I get mine. :)

[got_titan]

You can go in with a laptop and tune it to your hearts extent. Of course, there will be techsupport almost around the clock once I get mine. :)

so there will only be one preloaded map for the xede....not sure i wanna tune myself.....lol

[Nutari]

so there will only be one preloaded map for the xede....not sure i wanna tune myself.....lol
as far as I know, yes. there will be more maps as it gets out there though.. look at all the support for the msp..

[k-lea]

yay! I just learned something about the MS6.

[RevLimitLaunch]

will the tuning be the same as say the airflow logistics afc for the msp? this being that maps can be downloaded off the site or something and they can be sent from person to person with the ease of an email? any cable or specifications you'll need on the laptop to tune it? lol i wanna get ready! (first)

[Captain KRM P5]

Originally Posted by RevLimitLaunch
will the tuning be the same as say the airflow logistics afc for the msp?

no, its also a little more involved than that in the sense that the DSM AFC is fuel only.


this being that maps can be downloaded off the site or something and they can be sent from person to person with the ease of an email?
Yep. You can e-mail/download these all day long and as much as you want. However, you must have the Xede software to read it.


any cable or specifications you'll need on the laptop to tune it?
Serial cable. OR Serial / USB adapter from a store like Radio Shack.

[1Sleepy93]

Any possibility this might work on a CX-7?

[4DRHTRD]

Any possibility this might work on a CX-7?
Yup, it'll work just as well as it will on my MS6.
:)

[Captain KRM P5]

Any possibility this might work on a CX-7?
Yup, it'll work just as well as it will on my MS6.
:)

that is the plan!

[doogie]

stephanie at bell engineering just called me with some new details including price; $999 for the mazdaspeed3 and mazdaspeed6 models

I guess that is the price until there is some competition.(shady)

[RevLimitLaunch]

are there any other tuning ecu's out there at this point for the car? no offense to the xede ems, its an awesome tuning device and numbers seem awesome, but i wanted to compare. i tried searching for others but came up short. thanks for help.

[4DRHTRD]

are there any other tuning ecu's out there at this point for the car? no offense to the xede ems, its an awesome tuning device and numbers seem awesome, but i wanted to compare. i tried searching for others but came up short. thanks for help.
Nope...

[II-Savy]

XEDE Engine Management System - Mazdaspeed3$999.00http://mazda3online.web.aplus.net/images/pixel_trans.gifhttp://mazda3online.web.aplus.net/images/Xede2.JPG
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Coming Soon! MazdaSpeed3 Xede Dyno tested at 288 fwhp and 310 pound feet of torque!
http://bellengineering.net/Images/Dyno/BEGi_MS3_stockandXede.jpg
The XEDE (pronounced "x-ceed") is the only user-programmable engine control system that works with the factory ECU for great performance and near perfect driveability. Every one of its functions has the resolution and flexibility to complement all factory ECU functions. The XEDE carries the tuning torch without inducing any compromise to performance or safety.

The XEDE is the most user friendly engine management available! The XEDE comes pre-programmed for your application.

How does the XEDE work?
It is wired into a wire harness that plugs into the stock ECU. It intercepts signals to the ECU. For example, by intercepting the crank signal, the XEDE can advance or retard timing. By intercepting the load signal, the XEDE can make fuel mixtures richer or leaner. It remains under closed loop during idle, and goes open loop under boost. The MazdaSpeed Miata (MSM) XEDE also allows the user to control the boost levels.

Practical Information...
What is more practical than get in and drive? Forget tuning the car every time you drive it or the weather changes. Short of getting struck by lightening, the XEDE won't fail. It will be the most reliable piece of hardware on your car.

XEDE Technical Specifications
* 1200 possible adjustments
* 0.1% accuracy on MAF, MAP, and TPS adjustments
* 0.1degree accuracy on timing adjustments
* Fully sealed, rugged, and lightweight housing
* Support for hall and reluctor type crank and / or cam timing signals
* Support for analog or frequency MAF and MAP / load signals
* One additional 10-bit analog input
* One auxiliary digital input / output
* Internal storage space for up to 12 tuning maps
* Built-in boost control (MSM & MS3 only. Coming soon for Miata)
* Self-configurable load axis, input and output variables, adjustment range, and math function for each map
* 'Map Select' input to change between one of two unique tuning maps
* Bi-color status LED
* Wideband Integration

MSM & MS3 only, Coming Soon for Miata?

[Captain KRM P5]

MSM & MS3 only, Coming Soon for Miata?

the boost control or the system itself? the XEDE is already out and in use on the miatas.

[RevLimitLaunch]

haha how bout a group buy for this. im down to buy asap if it were a lil cheaper : (

[4DRHTRD]

The XEDE also has a two-step launch and no-lift shift capabilities. Hold down the clutch for 3 seconds and the launch map kicks in, also if you are WOT and blip the clutch to shift it won't fuel cut.
I can't wait to see my 60's with 8-10 lbs of boost... :)

[jcgemt2003]

The XEDE also has a two-step launch and no-lift shift capabilities. Hold down the clutch for 3 seconds and the launch map kicks in, also if you are WOT and blip the clutch to shift it won't fuel cut.
I can't wait to see my 60's with 8-10 lbs of boost... :)
Could you explain what the hell that means and how it works?

[4DRHTRD]

Could you explain what the hell that means and how it works?
Sorry man, I couldn't get any more descriptive than that. That breaks down exactly what each thing means....
:)

[jcgemt2003]

Sorry man, I couldn't get any more descriptive than that. That breaks down exactly what each thing means....
:)
nevermind...I read that shit half awake...I get it now.

[jrodhotrod]

This is great news. Not sure how I missed this one, being on vacation and all I guess.

I did have the accessport at the top of my list in the distant future but this makes me think twice. Nice job Ken!

[RevLimitLaunch]

how many wires will have to be tapped into for this system? im not too fond of hacking up shit with only having 500 miles on my car. plus i don't think the warranty will like it much and even if its taken out when being serviced you still have the wires that have already been hacked up (just reconnected) which anyone could see if they look. so unless someone can enlighten me and hopefully say im wrong lol, i have to go with the accessport...which may not bring out as much power or have as many options..but a lot easier to install and take out and not have nosie service people knowing about it.

[C-Bass]

plus i don't think the warranty will like it much and even if its taken out when being serviced you still have the wires that have already been hacked up (just reconnected) which anyone could see if they look.

I'm not sure where the ECU is on the 3, but on the Protege it was under a metal kick panel in the passenger floorboard. If it's in the same or a similar position, being afraid that the dealer would find out that the system is there is nothing short of pure paranoia. Getting to it was a serious pain in the ass, so unless they have a reason to believe the ECU has been tampered with, believe me, the secret is safe.

[Captain KRM P5]

check pics on the right for an example of unit placement and wiring;
http://bellengineering.net/Pages/products_MazdaSpeed3_parts.html

[Anon Y Mous]

yikes, that looks like a LOT more than 8 wires.

also, that wedges between the battery box and the air box? If we have an aftermarket intake then it's just kinda occupying that open area? I may have to fab up some sort of holding box just to hid the unit and wires.

[Nutari]

yikes, that looks like a LOT more than 8 wires.

also, that wedges between the battery box and the air box? If we have an aftermarket intake then it's just kinda occupying that open area? I may have to fab up some sort of holding box just to hid the unit and wires.
Thats just where they put it. You can put it wherever you want.

:)

Isn't our ECU under the drivers seat?

[jcgemt2003]

check pics on the right for an example of unit placement and wiring;
http://bellengineering.net/Pages/products_MazdaSpeed3_parts.html
Yep.....I looked and it looks like crap....I will half to take rain check until they come out with the plug n play. What effect will it have on the car if you use the map that comes with the XE if you have a cold air intake and a turboback exhaust(with a cat)? In other words will it just add to the already 280 or so horsepower or will it have some sort of adverse affect. (like bad AFR and lower HP)?

[Nutari]

Yep.....I looked and it looks like crap....I will half to take rain check until they come out with the plug n play. What effect will it have on the car if you use the map that comes with the XE if you have a cold air intake and a turboback exhaust(with a cat)? In other words will it just add to the already 280 or so horsepower or will it have some sort of adverse affect. (like bad AFR and lower HP)?
Um.. You can always wrap the wires and place the XEDE unit wherever you want. Its all about how much work you put into it. :(

[StephanieT]

Yep.....I looked and it looks like crap....I will half to take rain check until they come out with the plug n play.

The photo was taken before wires were bundled together. Sorry if it does not look all that appealing in that photo. However, when the Speed6 gets here for tuning, we will see what we can do.

It is eight signal wires, not including the extra for the dual map banks. There are two Xede wires for every wire cut on the ECU. An incoming wire and an outgoing wire.
Stephanie

[Bigg Tim]

The speed6's ECU is under the dash on the drivers side above the left kick panel. It looks like a PITA to work on, but it should be worth it. Any screen shots of the tuning SW?

[jcgemt2003]

What effect will it have on the car if you use the map that comes with the XE and you have a cold air intake and a turboback exhaust(with a cat)? Will it just add to the already 280 or so horsepower or will it have some sort of adverse affect. (like bad AFR and lower HP)?

[Captain KRM P5]

the 288whp map used for the dyno was a very conservative map. for something like an intake and exhaust you should still fall into the safe range and make more power on top of that 288. the best way to do this is to have the XEDE tuned to your particular mods - this can be done on the road either real time or through datalogging as well being done on a dyno by a shop. the more variety of vehicles we have use this unit, the more maps we will have at our disposal. meaning we will be able to ship units with base maps for the mods they have installed on thier cars as more people try this system out.

[skylinemonster]

the 288whp map used for the dyno was a very conservative map. for something like an intake and exhaust you should still fall into the safe range and make more power on top of that 288. the best way to do this is to have the XEDE tuned to your particular mods - this can be done on the road either real time or through datalogging as well being done on a dyno by a shop. the more variety of vehicles we have use this unit, the more maps we will have at our disposal. meaning we will be able to ship units with base maps for the mods they have installed on thier cars as more people try this system out.

WHEN IS THE XEDE GOING TO BE AVAILABLE SIR? I HAD THE XEDE ON MY EVO VIII THAT I PURCHASED FROM VISHNU. I WAS VERY HAPPY WITH THE RESULTS AND HOW EASY I COULD FLASH DIFFERENT BASE MAPS DEPENDING ON WHAT OCTANE I FELT LIKE USING AT THE TIME. I THINK THE POTENTIAL OF THIS VEHICLE WILL BE A LITTLE BETTER. DISI IS REALLY MAKING THE MS6 QUITE A TORQY S.O.B. AND REALIABLE AT THE SAME TIME. I CURRENTLY HAVE A MAGNAFLOW CATBACK EXHAUST THAT I JUST LOVE, AND PLAN ON GETTING THE ATP DOWNPIPE WHEN THEY RELEASE THE CEL MODULE TO CORRECT NO CAT. AFTER DRIVING AN EVO FOR A LONG TIME, AND RUNNING MID/HIGH 12'S WITH IT AS A DAILY DRIVER, THE MS6 FEELS ALMOST THERE. JUST MISSING SOME MODERATE TO AGGRESSIVE MAPPING.

[jcgemt2003]

the 288whp map used for the dyno was a very conservative map. for something like an intake and exhaust you should still fall into the safe range and make more power on top of that 288. the best way to do this is to have the XEDE tuned to your particular mods - this can be done on the road either real time or through datalogging as well being done on a dyno by a shop. the more variety of vehicles we have use this unit, the more maps we will have at our disposal. meaning we will be able to ship units with base maps for the mods they have installed on thier cars as more people try this system out.
When will the harness be available and how much more will it cost? For a $1,0000 it should be pretty damn cheap if not free. Im sure that there is enough of a profit margin in there that it could be included right?

[Captain KRM P5]

When will the harness be available and how much more will it cost? For a $1,0000 it should be pretty damn cheap if not free. Im sure that there is enough of a profit margin in there that it could be included right?

for $10000? sure we will include it ;) j/k, know you meant 1k not 10k. depending on how much the connectors cost we'll hopefully be able to include it. depends all on what kind of price can be secured on these connectors from mazda, et al

WHEN IS THE XEDE GOING TO BE AVAILABLE SIR? I HAD THE XEDE ON MY EVO VIII THAT I PURCHASED FROM VISHNU. I WAS VERY HAPPY WITH THE RESULTS AND HOW EASY I COULD FLASH DIFFERENT BASE MAPS DEPENDING ON WHAT OCTANE I FELT LIKE USING AT THE TIME. I THINK THE POTENTIAL OF THIS VEHICLE WILL BE A LITTLE BETTER. DISI IS REALLY MAKING THE MS6 QUITE A TORQY S.O.B. AND REALIABLE AT THE SAME TIME. I CURRENTLY HAVE A MAGNAFLOW CATBACK EXHAUST THAT I JUST LOVE, AND PLAN ON GETTING THE ATP DOWNPIPE WHEN THEY RELEASE THE CEL MODULE TO CORRECT NO CAT. AFTER DRIVING AN EVO FOR A LONG TIME, AND RUNNING MID/HIGH 12'S WITH IT AS A DAILY DRIVER, THE MS6 FEELS ALMOST THERE. JUST MISSING SOME MODERATE TO AGGRESSIVE MAPPING.

we are hopefully starting shipping next week on these units

[jcgemt2003]

Great! Will order soon!

[skylinemonster]

for $10000? sure we will include it ;) j/k, know you meant 1k not 10k. depending on how much the connectors cost we'll hopefully be able to include it. depends all on what kind of price can be secured on these connectors from mazda, et al



we are hopefully starting shipping next week on these units

GREAT TO HEAR THAT. HOW DO I PLACE AN ORDER OR IS THERE A SITE I SHOULD BE LOOKING AT?

[Nutari]

GREAT TO HEAR THAT. HOW DO I PLACE AN ORDER OR IS THERE A SITE I SHOULD BE LOOKING AT?
http://mazda3online.web.aplus.net/product_info.php?cPath=22_160&products_id=715



http://www.msprotege.com/members/Nutari/caps.jpg

[MS6 Alan]

Sounds nice.
Being from Texas myself, where is Xede?

The pnp harness seems to be in high demand, I hope it comes through.

[Nutari]

Sounds nice.
Being from Texas myself, where is Xede?

The pnp harness seems to be in high demand, I hope it comes through.

Vishnu /XEDE is actually in Cali. BEGi, the ones who developed the XEDE on the MSM and MS3 are in texas.
BEGi
203 Kestrel Drive
Spring Branch, TX 78070

Phone: 830-438-2890
Fax: 830-438-8361

[redrims]

Why is this thing so expensive?

Greddy E-Manage - $300
APEX'i AFC Neo - $350
Greddy E-Manage Ultimate - $510
Hondata S300 - $590
Cobb AccessPORT v2 - $695

This isn't a standalone replacement unit, right? Also, does it come with software for modifying the base maps (ignition, timing, fuel, etc...) and datalogging?

From what I've read, this is a complete kit.

Most of the time, thoses prices do not include needed harnesses, or needed software. I've owned 3 out of the 5 you listed. In the end, you usually end up spending $800+.

[RevLimitLaunch]

cobb accessport doesn't need anything else besides an hour on a dyno...which is always a need when you get some sort of ems.

[Nutari]

cobb accessport doesn't need anything else besides an hour on a dyno...which is always a need when you get some sort of ems.
wrong. If you want to do any sort of tuning on your own, IE NOT using their supplied maps, you have to pay another $150~ to purchase the software.

[redrims]

This kit doesn't need any dyno tuning, correct? I think its a pretty fair price. I don't really know much about Cobb, so I can't say much about that.

[Nutari]

This kit doesn't need any dyno tuning, correct? I think its a pretty fair price. I don't really know much about Cobb, so I can't say much about that.
No, not unless you plan on adding more to the car. Minor things like intakes etc shouldnt require a dyno tune. Just a drive and adjust as you go. The software is free to download from the BEGi site. You can go ahead and download it now to see just how easy it is to use.

The map that comes with the XEDE will be tuned for a stock speed 3 with no mods.

As more people get the XEDE and tune it, there will be more maps available to download.

I will be doing alot of tuning myself and posting results and maps as soon as I get my XEDE.

[jcgemt2003]

I wanna a buy mine with a map for the speed6.....I know there isnt much difference but I dont care. Who knows....there maybe something in the speed6 ecu thats not in the speed3.

[StephanieT]

I saw photos today of the MS6 ECU. The exterior and connectors are all different from every other Mazda out there.
Stephanie

[RevLimitLaunch]

ahhhh when is there gonna be a sort of plug and play harness?? i want the xede unit wicked bad....but like i posted (like a broken record lol) no wire tapping for me as that warranty of mine won't like seeing shit hacked up lol.

[Nutari]

ahhhh when is there gonna be a sort of plug and play harness?? i want the xede unit wicked bad....but like i posted (like a broken record lol) no wire tapping for me as that warranty of mine won't like seeing shit hacked up lol.
If you consider splicing in spade taps 'hacked' up.. .

[RevLimitLaunch]

yes very much. i don't have the best of luck when it comes towards warranties. so tapping in those wires will end up screwing me over and i already know it. which is the only thing stopping me...but maybe, hopefully, eventually the sand will release from my snatch lol.

[jcgemt2003]

yes very much. i don't have the best of luck when it comes towards warranties. so tapping in those wires will end up screwing me over and i already know it. which is the only thing stopping me...but maybe, hopefully, eventually the sand will release from my snatch lol.
I would say...spread your legs and let your balls drop.....but Im not splicn shit either....so when the plug comes with it or is available...then Ill letm drop.

[RevLimitLaunch]

well i guess there's a few others that are with us as well. the extra money for the xede is definitely not a problem, i'd 100% rather it over any other unit for the car. but you know....(pissed)

[Nutari]

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123657094

Speed 6 volunteer needed. Someone go down so we can get the P&P harnesses made!

[RevLimitLaunch]

nice, can't wait, keep us updated.

[4DRHTRD]

Yeah, get it PNP for when I go down on the 15th!!!
:)
Mike

[MS6freek]

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123657094

Speed 6 volunteer needed. Someone go down so we can get the P&P harnesses made!

ASK stephanie Turner , i sent her all the pics you need of the plugs and harness ;)

[Nutari]

ASK stephanie Turner , i sent her all the pics you need of the plugs and harness ;)
If it were that simple, it would have been done already and we wouldn't be asking. :)

Thank you though.

[MS6 Alan]

I have sent Richard an email about getting my car by there. Hope to hear back from him sometime this week.

[Nutari]

I have sent Richard an email about getting my car by there. Hope to hear back from him sometime this week.
Thank you. let me know when you get this set up. :)

[Nutari]

Sorry folks. We found our two volunteers. Shouldn't be too long now. XEDE will be plug and GO!

[VA03Speed]

Can't wait for this to come out and I am going to start saving now.

[maestro]

Still looking forward to seeing what the Exedy unit will do for upgrades.
Thanks 4DRHTRD for being a guinnea pig. You must have a very understanding wife.

[bigj884]

so what are the dyno numbers for XEDE on a Speed 6....

i saw the numbers for a speed 3 but havent seen anything for a speed 6

[4DRHTRD]

so what are the dyno numbers for XEDE on a Speed 6....

i saw the numbers for a speed 6 but havent seen anything for a speed 6
None yet

[meha11]

i read this in the original post.
"The MSM XEDE will illuminate the check engine light. It changes the stock ECU boost and TPS signal. Please contact us for more information on OBDII inspection".

so i am wondering is the check engine light on when installed on the ms3?
if so how do we get around the inspection?


EDIT- can one of the mods please move this to the ms3 section, sorry i wasnt paying attention to what i was doing.

[Captain KRM P5]

no CEL illuminated

[meha11]

no CEL illuminated

cheers, just what i wanted to hear.

[vert]

Yeah, get it PNP for when I go down on the 15th!!!
:)
Mike
Isnt today "D DAY"

[4DRHTRD]

OK, just got home after driving from 8PM AZT until now.
Here's what's going on:
We got to the shop around 9AM and started working on wiring it in. Around 2PM we finished, went and got lunch and headed to the dyno.
The car was setup as follows:
Factory boost controller wired back in with the boost reference/WGA T'd into the WGA side of the boost controller and the intake side still attached to the intake.
Factory IC was on so that we could try and provide a MAP for other ATP cars with a stock IC
The exhaust dump was disabled for the initial tests.

DISCLAIMER - I DO NOT HAVE DYNO GRAPHS!!! THESE ARE DYNO DYNAMICS NUMBERS - usually 20% below a dynojet AWD dyno.
We got to the dyno and began to work, started at 240WHP with the AFR off the chart (below 10.0) and fuel cut up the wazoo starting at 5K
Initial changes - changed fuel to 12.3 across the board and adjusted MAP table for no fuel cut - 260 WHP
We found that we had tagged the wrong factory boost controller wire and started to fix that around 6PM, after properly connecting that we were still unable to get any more boost from the car. BEGi is working to resolve this issue.
In order to get more boost I reconected the ATP VES (exhaust cutout) and immediately got 280 HP around 4500 RPM and then hit fuel cut at 17.8ish PSI.
At this time there were ice warnings and freeway closures all over the area. The dyno owner (Cory - who was AWESOME) said he had to go and closed shop at 8PM, I've been driving home since then. Tim made an adjustment to the MAP table and fuel table to make the car safe for now and I've been able to hit 20 PSI w/o fuel cut on the way back.

Synapsis:
Car has a ton more HP in her with the XEDE and ATP turbo kit combined. Rough numbers with cutout closed = approximately 310 to 330 depending on who's idea of dyno numbers you agree with. The car was rock stable to around 6K when boost would drop off but the AFR was good. Once we figure out boost control and enable cutout and my LA TMIC the numbers will continue to improve.

Many thanks to StephanieT, Corky Bell (it was awesome to meet a legend) and Tim from BEGi along with Cory from the dyno shop. I knew going in that being a pioneer to this scenario would have it's bumps and bruises but so far the car has put down safe power. Just need to get the XEDE dialed in completely.


Also thanks for putting us up at your house Steph!!!

[Captain KRM P5]

good stuff, good comparitive gains even on a basic tune

[CitizenPro]

Yeah, sounds to me like things are working out well. Good luck with future work on the 6

[Anon Y Mous]

sounds promising but I was hoping for more with a turbo swap and ecu upgrade..... oh well, lets get the tuning finalized and then we can start applauding loudly.

[1Sleepy93]

What were your torque numbers?

[Speed6 Guy]

Maybe the turbo upgrade is not as good as we all hoped it would be. I would like to see this in a stock speed6 with nothing but the ecu changed to see what that would do. Plus the turbo may not handle more tunning with out the upgrade so this could be no good for the avg. buyer.

[RevLimitLaunch]

yeah...hoped for tuning on everything being stock...

[4DRHTRD]

Somebody else is going to go and get tuned with stock setup as soon as a harness is done so it's plug and play.

[Anon Y Mous]

I'll be running this also but I have a fe more mods.

I'll be sure to make my maps available as I'm pretty sure more people will end up with builds like mine (stock turbo + bolt-ons) than anything else.

MS intake, ATP downpipe, TMIC, XEDE will be my set-up for a while.

[Nutari]

I'll be running this also but I have a fe more mods.

I'll be sure to make my maps available as I'm pretty sure more people will end up with builds like mine (stock turbo + bolt-ons) than anything else.

MS intake, ATP downpipe, TMIC, XEDE will be my set-up for a while.
I should be re-tuning mine soon. You can get the map from me and make some changes from there.

I will have similar mods.

[k-lea]

Nutari, did Steph say anything about a newer version of the Xede?

I'm being left in the dark and I'm not getting a response on my emails.

[DotNet]

280 awhp converted to dyno jet = 336awhp approx... at almost 18 psi this is not bad. Still a little low however when properly tuned with this turbo should be around 360's - 380's at 18 psi. Don't be discouraged this is on track. Also AWD dyno's vs. FWD dyno's are different so 288 in a MS3 on a stock turbo would be approx 10% or more lower on the MS6 given the AWD making it approx 260's with Exede. But thats just my thought I could always be wrong.

[4DRHTRD]

More dyno graphs and times coming as soon as I can.
:)

[jcgemt2003]

280 awhp converted to dyno jet = 336awhp approx... at almost 18 psi this is not bad. Still a little low however when properly tuned with this turbo should be around 360's - 380's at 18 psi. Don't be discouraged this is on track. Also AWD dyno's vs. FWD dyno's are different so 288 is a MS3 on a stock turbo would be approx 10% or more lower on the MS6 given the AWD making it approx 260's with Exede. But thats just my thought I could always be wrong.
I wouldnt even by this thing if it came with a map that made 260whp. Not for a $1000. I know what everyones thinkn....you can tune it...yeah well Id have to drive almost 2hrs to get to a dyno and then pay them $150 per hour to tune car theyve never had in there shop....bottom line it would probably cost me around $1500. I enjoy toyn with my car but not that much....It better come with around 280whp at least or Im out till it does.

[StephanieT]

We will know more when the tuning is final at the top end. Tim and Corey had to stop due to bad weather. We have been buried under ice for the last 2 1/2 days.

The dyno it was run on is a Dynodynamics. It has a Dyno jet right next to it. This particular dynodynamics will read 18% below the dyno jet. Also, I was expecting to see different dyno numbers here versus in Arizona. I would expect them to be lower to compensate for altitude and humidity.
Stephanie

[dread]

What kind of dyno was the speed 3 that got 288whp done on.

[StephanieT]

What kind of dyno was the speed 3 that got 288whp done on.
Dyno Jet

[StephanieT]

Nutari, did Steph say anything about a newer version of the Xede?

I'm being left in the dark and I'm not getting a response on my emails.
Sorry for the delay in response. We have gotten 2 days off due to ice and road closures. I have not been able to get to e-mail until this evening.

The 06 Mazda's use a different model Xede. Yours is an H12 and these cars use an H model. The main difference is the internal board. :)
Stephanie

[k-lea]

I just heard it from John Long. *shrugs*

[4DRHTRD]

Still working on it, something is making it hold boost to 26 PSI!!! With cutout closed it maxes at 17 PSI.
12.8 AFR at 26 PSI vs steady 12.3 with 17.
I've got to get the boost controller working correctly to get this thing to do it's best.
I'll post progress as it happens.
Mike

[Captain KRM P5]

if your boost level varies with the cutout being open or closed logic dictates its directly related to the cutout. this is not too uncommon but to spike THAT high is pretty crazy, cutout or no. on turbo RX7s if you ran an open or more open exhaust the boost would sail past the limitations of the ECU. seems like a drastic difference in backpressure and overall breathability. 12.8 is about as lean as i would run at WOT on a boosted car.

[Bigg Tim]

So while you were on the dyno tuning, was 12.3 were it made it's peak power? I would have thought that these motors can run a little leaner due to the direct injection. I know with the protege's the max power was around 12.2 to 12.3

If 12.3 is where you hit max power, I would fatten it up a bit for a better safety margin. I know here in AZ, I never ran leaner than 11.8 due to the heat.......that was from a tuner here that knew more about cars and the heat effects then me.

[4DRHTRD]

Yes, Tim from BEGi was tuning for 12.3.
I'm adding a water injection setup soon to make it safer that will engage from the XEDE.

[DotNet]

I wouldnt even by this thing if it came with a map that made 260whp. Not for a $1000. I know what everyones thinkn....you can tune it...yeah well Id have to drive almost 2hrs to get to a dyno and then pay them $150 per hour to tune car theyve never had in there shop....bottom line it would probably cost me around $1500. I enjoy toyn with my car but not that much....It better come with around 280whp at least or Im out till it does.

How much power does a Hitachi-Warner K04 make at max boost? Im pretty sure the power wont get a whole lot better with tuning alone...

I also believe this turbo is very close to maximum boost efficiency already so squeezing another 30awhp out of it is probably all your gonna get unless you start replacing every restrictive part on the car. Then maybe you can get an additional 60awhp.

This package(Exede) is a solution and foundation for every step that takes place to increase overall efficiency and power as factory tunes tend to be very rich and limited.

It is a must have (or at the very least some EMS) for any mods to perform the way they should. The fact that the overall tuning experience will be bypassed because individuals paving the way and making maps so we can just download and burn to our ecu is the value.

[Captain KRM P5]

How much power does a Hitachi-Warner K04 make at max boost? Im pretty sure the power wont get a whole lot better with tuning alone...

I also believe this turbo is very close to maximum boost efficiency already so squeezing another 30awhp out of it is probably all your gonna get unless you start replacing every restrictive part on the car. Then maybe you can get an additional 60awhp.

This package(Exede) is a solution and foundation for every step that takes place to increase overall efficiency and power as factory tunes tend to be very rich and limited.

It is a must have (or at the very least some EMS) for any mods to perform the way they should. The fact that the overall tuning experience will be bypassed because individuals paving the way and making maps so we can just download and burn to our ecu is the value.

i am of the same mindset on this turbocharger's efficiency, yet some VW and Audi guys keep telling me its capable of more. i haven't seen any particular charts or numbers so until i do i'll reserve final judgement. at least its not a k03 :)

[Bigg Tim]

I sent an email on the borg warner site asking for specs but they did not know. He said the specs they have on their site are general for a K04 and that with different trims, you can get more out of a K04, but he did not say how much. I will be sending 4DRHTRD's turbo to MPI to get re-worked, hopefully I'll have specs on what's in the turbo now.

[Captain KRM P5]

good news tim, thank you

[neit_jnf]

So while you were on the dyno tuning, was 12.3 were it made it's peak power? I would have thought that these motors can run a little leaner due to the direct injection. I know with the protege's the max power was around 12.2 to 12.3

in theory they can run leaner but it doesn't mean that they will make more power with the leaner mixture it just means that it will have more detonation resistance with leaner mixtures that a port injected setup.

Also keep in mind that even though it is DI, they are using a higher CR so the possibility of running leaner is being instead taken advantage of by increasing compression.

[flyrevs]

I'll be running this also but I have a fe more mods.

I'll be sure to make my maps available as I'm pretty sure more people will end up with builds like mine (stock turbo + bolt-ons) than anything else.

MS intake, ATP downpipe, TMIC, XEDE will be my set-up for a while.
I'm in this camp too. I want to get as much power out of the stock turbo, with high reliability, AND keep the factory warranty intact. So gotta have the Plug n Play XEDE !!!! Probably get the TMIC too! Maybe get the downpipe too. Waitin to see some dyno number from other people and saving up some $$$$$ for mods. The future looks bright - Can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!! ZoomZoom:)

[jrodhotrod]

Nice updates guys.

Those are indeed promising numbers (remember Dyno Dynamics, not DynoJet)

Looking forward to what you get when everything is worked out.

[Karma_hunden]

Im waiting for the green flag (dyno) and Im buying it.(if it gives you at LEAST 40hp + gains)

[jcgemt2003]

Any updates?

[elderlycoffee]

any tuning needed at all?

do you have to turn it on and off every time before you drive?
is it easily reversable for going in for work

[Nutari]

any tuning needed at all?

do you have to turn it on and off every time before you drive?
is it easily reversable for going in for work
No
no
about 20 minutes.

[Hambino]

i am of the same mindset on this turbocharger's efficiency, yet some VW and Audi guys keep telling me its capable of more. i haven't seen any particular charts or numbers so until i do i'll reserve final judgement. at least its not a k03 :)

I believe the MS6 is running on a K04-22. The popular "K04" swap on B5 Audi S4's are indeed K04's, however substantially larger. I can't speak to the VW's, but S4 stock K03's are the size of the MS6 K04.

[StephanieT]

Someone here in San Antonio has kindly offered to let us borrow his car. When he can make it out here, we should be able to get it done in one day.
Hopefully in the next two weeks!
Stephanie

[4DRHTRD]

Just a quick update. I got the car back from the dealer on Friday night. We had our Jr. High State wrestling championships weigh ins on Friday night then a 6:15 AM Sat coaches meeting. We were there until 5PM or so with our team (my son took 7th place out of 17 at 167lb class - not bad for a 6th grader against all 8th graders). My throat was killing me Friday/Sat and Sunday I woke up with a wonderful sinus/chest infection. I've been home sick since. :(
I'll get better soon and start working on the car again.
Mike

[jcgemt2003]

Just a quick update. I got the car back from the dealer on Friday night. We had our Jr. High State wrestling championships weigh ins on Friday night then a 6:15 AM Sat coaches meeting. We were there until 5PM or so with our team (my son took 7th place out of 17 at 167lb class - not bad for a 6th grader against all 8th graders). My throat was killing me Friday/Sat and Sunday I woke up with a wonderful sinus/chest infection. I've been home sick since. :(
I'll get better soon and start working on the car again.
Mike
Why was your car at the dealer?

[spike blue]

Through our partner ship with BEGi, we'll be sending a willing volunteer to thier shop in texas to fit and tune a Vishnu XEDE engine management system to the Mazdaspeed6. ProtegeGarage will be the exclusive reseller for XEDE systems on these cars and the results are promising.

Fitted to a Mazdaspeed3, this system gave the car a whopping 290whp and 310lb/ft of torque on the dyno with no other modifications. The system has been used to great effect on the Mazdaspeed Miata and we expect the same from this system on the MS3/MS6. From BEGi's miata features and descriptions;

The XEDE is the most user friendly engine management available! It plugs directly into the stock ECU and requires no tuning. The XEDE comes pre-programmed for your application.

How does the XEDE work?
It is wired into a wire harness that plugs into the stock ECU. It intercepts signals to the ECU. For example, by intercepting the crank signal, the XEDE can advance or retard timing. By intercepting the load signal, the XEDE can make fuel mixtures richer or leaner. It remains under closed loop during idle, and goes open loop under boost. The MazdaSpeed Miata (MSM) XEDE also allows the user to control the boost levels.

Installing the XEDE....
This is probably the easiest aftermarket performance part you will ever install on your car! The hardest part is installing injectors, and that too is not difficult. Once the injectors are installed, plug the XEDE & wire harness into the stock ECU. Turn the key on. Turn the Key off. Start the engine. Rev the engine, watch the LED light turn green, and you are ready to drive. The MSM requires a new wire installed to the boost solonoid. It's so simple, even Stephanie could install the injectors and figure it out! No broken nails either.

Practical Information...
What is more practical than get in and drive? Forget tuning the car every time you drive it or the weather changes. Short of getting struck by lightening, the XEDE won't fail. It will be the most reliable piece of hardware on your car.

TheXEDE cannot change the rev limiter on any Miata.

The XEDE can be used on ALL Miatas.

The MSM XEDE will illuminate the check engine light. It changes the stock ECU boost and TPS signal. Please contact us for more information on OBDII inspection. Black tape covers the CEL. The MSM XEDE comes with 440 cc Injectors.

The 1999+ turbocharged and supercharged Miata's have passed OBD II and Emission Inspection in Texas.

The Xede has been installed on the 2006 MX-5!
XEDE Technical Specifications


1200 possible adjustments

0.1% accuracy on MAF, MAP, and TPS adjustments
0.1degree accuracy on timing adjustments
Direct plug-in wire harness (no cutting or splicing required)
Fully sealed, rugged, and lightweight housing
Support for hall and reluctor type crank and / or cam timing signals
Support for analog or frequency MAF and MAP / load signals
One additional 10-bit analog input
One auxiliary digital input / output
Internal storage space for up to 12 tuning maps
Built-in boost control (MSM only)
Built-in knock signal adjust feature (MSM Only)
Self-configurable load axis, input and output variables, adjustment range, and math function for each map
'Map Select' input to change between one of two unique tuning maps
Bi-color status LED

will this chip work in the cx-7??? Thanks im interested!!!

[Captain KRM P5]

will this chip work in the cx-7??? Thanks im interested!!!

we need a test vehicle to fit it to, so if there are any CX-7 owners in texas willing to take a day i'm sure we could get it on there with ease

[spike blue]

ok i will ask thanks!!

[redrims]

Just a quick update. I got the car back from the dealer on Friday night. We had our Jr. High State wrestling championships weigh ins on Friday night then a 6:15 AM Sat coaches meeting. We were there until 5PM or so with our team (my son took 7th place out of 17 at 167lb class - not bad for a 6th grader against all 8th graders). My throat was killing me Friday/Sat and Sunday I woke up with a wonderful sinus/chest infection. I've been home sick since. :(
I'll get better soon and start working on the car again.
Mike

DAM!!! Your son weighs more than me...lol

[Leonardo]

let me know if the test car doesnt come through, i am willing to donate my car if need be. i also was the first to offer my car for the fmic and emailed corkey and received a response from him saying he would get back to me a few weeks later once he had time to start on the project, but then he never got back to me even after i emailed him to inquire again. (dunno) either way, i am extremely interested in this unit.

[StephanieT]

let me know if the test car doesnt come through, i am willing to donate my car if need be. i also was the first to offer my car for the fmic and emailed corkey and received a response from him saying he would get back to me a few weeks later once he had time to start on the project, but then he never got back to me even after i emailed him to inquire again. (dunno) either way, i am extremely interested in this unit.
He has been tied up in a few international projects the last few months. I am interested. Please call me!
Stephanie

[Leonardo]

He has been tied up in a few international projects the last few months. I am interested. Please call me!
Stephanie

sorry, been away with work...where do I call you at?

[4DRHTRD]

Please read the following, reading the post from Shiv and the very first post from XEDE.
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?p=691828#post691828
Read Shiv's post in the middle of the page. Make sure to read all the posts between Shiv and XEDE...
Am I reading this wrong or is Shiv walking away from XEDE???
Also Vishnu is blowing out the XEDE's on their web page at well below retail.
http://www.vishnutuning.com/XEDE_SALE.htm

[Gandalf]

That thread got nasty real quick. Shiv sounds pissed.

[StephanieT]

Nothing can be confirmed at this point. However, Units should still be availalble and we will look at Shiv's new stuff.
Stephanie

[Nutari]

I am also in contact with the main company, ChipTorque. I will keep you updated.

[jcgemt2003]

Im freekn out here....I just orderd mine from Ken about 2 weeks ago and since then all this other crap is goin down with throttle control and not being able to add fuel...not to mention the guy whos supposodly the backing or whatever he is (shiv) sounds like hes backn out....4drhtrd is pulln the plug and for a $1000 I feel like I should have waited till all this shit is squared away....

[Captain KRM P5]

Im freekn out here....I just orderd mine from Ken about 2 weeks ago and since then all this other crap is goin down with throttle control and not being able to add fuel...not to mention the guy whos supposodly the backing or whatever he is (shiv) sounds like hes backn out....4drhtrd is pulln the plug and for a $1000 I feel like I should have waited till all this shit is squared away....

hey, i'll give you a call later this evening or if you like you can call my cell phone and we'll get things squared away for you.

[jcgemt2003]

hey, i'll give you a call later this evening or if you like you can call my cell phone and we'll get things squared away for you.
Sounds good...appreciate it.

[Captain KRM P5]

Please read the following, reading the post from Shiv and the very first post from XEDE.
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?p=691828#post691828
Read Shiv's post in the middle of the page. Make sure to read all the posts between Shiv and XEDE...
Am I reading this wrong or is Shiv walking away from XEDE???
Also Vishnu is blowing out the XEDE's on their web page at well below retail.
http://www.vishnutuning.com/XEDE_SALE.htm
hey, not trying to point fingers here, but i just want to clarify something about the XEDE.

i heard you are having problems maxing out the MAF voltage. if thats the case, thats not the XEDE's fault per se, just the nature of the factory mass air sensor. any MAF tuned system is going to run into this issue, even CP-E's unless they are tuning from the MAP sensor instead. it should be possible to switch the input, easily even, from the MAF to a MAP sensor for the XEDE and give you more range than what your factory sensor allows. if you're pushing more boost than what that MAF sensor allows for in its measly 4 to 5 volts (which i am sure 22+psi on a much larger turbo would be), then thats not the fault of the hardware, just a limitation of the vehicle sensor input being used.

i am betting this is why you want the osciiliscope, i guess i am just confused as to what you intend to do with the signals once you have obtained them. run a larger MAF sensor? let me know what your thoughts are as I would like to help get you where you need to be without starting from scratch.

edit - read last few pages of your turbo kit install thread and i understand a little better now, you're not looking to use the MAF sensor to tune the car.

[jcgemt2003]

hey, i'll give you a call later this evening or if you like you can call my cell phone and we'll get things squared away for you.
AHHH....feel much better now...great talk Ken....Thanks!(rockon)

[4DRHTRD]

hey, not trying to point fingers here, but i just want to clarify something about the XEDE.

i heard you are having problems maxing out the MAF voltage. if thats the case, thats not the XEDE's fault per se, just the nature of the factory mass air sensor. any MAF tuned system is going to run into this issue, even CP-E's unless they are tuning from the MAP sensor instead. it should be possible to switch the input, easily even, from the MAF to a MAP sensor for the XEDE and give you more range than what your factory sensor allows. if you're pushing more boost than what that MAF sensor allows for in its measly 4 to 5 volts (which i am sure 22+psi on a much larger turbo would be), then thats not the fault of the hardware, just a limitation of the vehicle sensor input being used.

i am betting this is why you want the osciiliscope, i guess i am just confused as to what you intend to do with the signals once you have obtained them. run a larger MAF sensor? let me know what your thoughts are as I would like to help get you where you need to be without starting from scratch.

edit - read last few pages of your turbo kit install thread and i understand a little better now, you're not looking to use the MAF sensor to tune the car.
Read up on the 335i forums on how the Proceed piggyback controls their cars and you'll understand how a DI car should be tuned. Now add in that Mazda deemed it necessary to also close the throttle plate and you'll see that the XEDE doesn't have enough PWM or analog in/outs to do the job. That's probably what Shiv found when doing the 335 and that's why he had his own piggyback made.

[Gandalf]

Wonder if Shiv will bother making a Procede (his new unit) for the Speed6 guys now. . . seems he is going to become a DI guru - which we seem to be very short of.

[Speed6 Guy]

Wonder if Shiv will bother making a Procede (his new unit) for the Speed6 guys now. . . seems he is going to become a DI guru - which we seem to be very short of.


I like the way that sounds.

[StephanieT]

The Xede is still available. When the Procede is released for the Mazda Application, we will include the speed 6 too. I would not expect it before May/June sometime.
Stephanie

[Captain KRM P5]

Read up on the 335i forums on how the Proceed piggyback controls their cars and you'll understand how a DI car should be tuned. Now add in that Mazda deemed it necessary to also close the throttle plate and you'll see that the XEDE doesn't have enough PWM or analog in/outs to do the job. That's probably what Shiv found when doing the 335 and that's why he had his own piggyback made.

i read the posts and honestly i'm not 100% in agreement with it. in regards to how anything should or could be tuned, its always a matter of opinion more than it is fact. people know i am more pro-MAP tuning than I am MAF, however i recognize there is value in some MAF systems.

we are talking to chip torque (makers of the current XEDE) and the newer hardware coming out will have more inputs/outputs to do the job, and should plug into the existing harness as an upgrade. we're pursuing that along with a plug and play standalone which will be another option.

every system that releases for this car we hope to support one way or another. we are in the mindset to treat every system as an alternative and let the customer decide based on the merits and drawbacks of each one.

[S.S.S.P5]

will this work on a fsze?

[Captain KRM P5]

will this work on a fsze?

we have other, better established options for the protege, contact me if interested.