Pic Request:P HKS SSQV in MS3

[Vermilion]

Looking for some pics of a HKS SSQV hooked up recirc on a MS3.. just wanting a general idea of what it looks like installed in the car and if it'd be worth it to get just the outside powdercoated.. I hate shiny chromy looking parts and will probably black out my whole car I imagine.

[borderline]

here they are!

recirc hose,fiting and flange are home-made. The gold elbow gonna be powder coated this week in black (for a better look) it is in copper.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/mazdaracing/IMG_0809.jpg
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http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/mazdaracing/IMG_0811.jpg

[clos561]

waht does it sound liek??? could i hear it if u drove past me shifting?

[redms3gt]

You get any good power gains with that SRI? I just ordered a KnN for my gutted factory airbox..but I would like a more sound/power. CAI is a hassle to maintain and could have issues with water/dirt.
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k294/ucancallmedebo/HPIM0455.jpg
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[II-Savy]

Go for the cold air not the warm air!
Nice install. Maybe a sound clip?

[borderline]

Go for the cold air not the warm air!
Nice install. Maybe a sound clip?

Yeah, it's that way for the winter mode, this summer I'm gonna buy a CAI.

clos561: yes I guess!
Redsm3gt: no really gain, until it is dyno proven....Just nicer sound!

About the sound clip, pump up the volme and listen carefully:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/mazdaracing/th_MVI_0790.jpg (http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/mazdaracing/?action=view&current=MVI_0790.flv)
http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/mazdaracing/?action=view&current=MVI_0790.flv

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/mazdaracing/th_MVI_0789.jpg (http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/mazdaracing/?action=view&current=MVI_0789.flv)
http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/mazdaracing/?action=view&current=MVI_0789.flv

[clos561]

Yeah, it's that way for the winter mode, this summer I'm gonna buy a CAI.

clos561: yes I guess!
Redsm3gt: no really gain, until it is dyno proven....Just nicer sound!

About the sound clip, pump up the volme and listen carefully:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/mazdaracing/th_MVI_0790.jpg (http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/mazdaracing/?action=view&current=MVI_0790.flv)
http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/mazdaracing/?action=view&current=MVI_0790.flv

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/mazdaracing/th_MVI_0789.jpg (http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/mazdaracing/?action=view&current=MVI_0789.flv)
http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/mazdaracing/?action=view&current=MVI_0789.flv

next time...rol the windows down and chirp the gears maaang.....sounds good i can hear the release.

[zoom-zoomhatch]

You're not throwing a cel with the sri are you? CP-E said that they had to do alot of testing to get the CAI to not throw a cel, but I watched a speed 6 vid with Fujita CAI and blitz air filter and I want my car to sound like that.
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/mazdaspeed/0/32fc00e7-be07-4f11-89a8-9875016f536b.htm

[voiceKoil]

You're not throwing a cel with the sri are you? CP-E said that they had to do alot of testing to get the CAI to not throw a cel, but I watched a speed 6 vid with Fujita CAI and blitz air filter and I want my car to sound like that.
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/mazdaspeed/0/32fc00e7-be07-4f11-89a8-9875016f536b.htm

I second that
Does it throw a cel? I forgot to ask before....

GOD I LOVE TURBOS!!!!!! lol Lots of breathing, hopefully it will be loud enough so my passangers dont hear me taking breathes between shifts!

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2497000-2497999/2497424_33_full.jpg

[Boosted03MSP]

CAI on a turbo car is sooooo stupid....

[Vermilion]

I HATE the sound of the air sucking in and then blowing back out or recircing. I'd rather just hear a BPV/BOV than an intake. Guess i'm gonna keep the stock airbox on my MS3.. as I hated the sound I had with a SRI on my STi.

[II-Savy]

CAI on a turbo car is sooooo stupid....

LOL Why?

[Boosted03MSP]

LOL Why?

Because it is not needed. you have a SMIC/FMIC to cool the air. Trust me not worth the few horsepower difference. Coming from someone who hydrolocked their MSP. I have owner 4 boosted cars and from experiance it is a total waste. Just do a search, there are a few threads about it.

[II-Savy]

Because it is not needed. you have a SMIC/FMIC to cool the air. Trust me not worth the few horsepower difference. Coming from someone who hydrolocked their MSP. I have owner 4 boosted cars and from experiance it is a total waste. Just do a search, there are a few threads about it.

Sounds like you went through a 2 foot puddle. wow, maybe a bad idea. When you start the air colder, it's better, period. The IC still cools the air down, but only so much.

[borderline]

You're not throwing a cel with the sri are you? CP-E said that they had to do alot of testing to get the CAI to not throw a cel, but I watched a speed 6 vid with Fujita CAI and blitz air filter and I want my car to sound like that.
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/mazdaspeed/0/32fc00e7-be07-4f11-89a8-9875016f536b.htm

no cell at all.

I will try to make a video again but with windows down this time :)

[got_titan]

have a part number for the k&n air filter your using on your sri? looks great!!

[zoom-zoomhatch]

I've seen boosted cars pick up 10+ ponies from just a cold air intake, if you live in an area that gets deep water on the roads alot it's not a good idea, but you really have to submerge the intake to get hydrolock. And I personaly think it sounds awesome but different strokes for different folks I guess.

[voiceKoil]

I have a Cel on mine, I made the intake today..........It sounds great, performace in 1st and 2nd feel better, as for the rest it feels like the MAS is trying to figure out what to do (or choking) and it isnt fast at all until it hits 4000rmps..... Any suggestoins? Im going to keep it on for a couple days and then probably take it off if the problems persist.... This is what it looks like, Its a 4in outlet on the K&N, a silicone reducer 4-3in, then the MAS on a 3in aluminum section to the stock pipe.......Any Suggestoins?????

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2497000-2497999/2497424_56_full.jpg

[dread]

did you unplug the battery to reset the ecu after install?

[voiceKoil]

Cel is off now after about 5 mins of driving.......Also I feel like I have to time it just right to gun it for it to not bog up......I talked to my buddy that has a pretty boosted A4 and he said that its probably my filter....Its the inverted powerstack style, which also has the whole in the center of the filter, he said that the powerstack actually passes the MAS in a way where it causes it to bog up.. He said the only way its good for a turbo car is if it has a completee u turn in the intake piping......Otherwise it makes the MAS error up?... Anyone else hear of this?

On another note I raced a 350z with a aem CAI tonite from 35 to 110ish.....we were neck and neck pulling back and forth the whole way it was sweet, He was slightly pulling on me at the end when my car was bogging because of the intake, but never left my bumpers either way!!!!!!!!! He asked at the next red light what I had in it......I told him what it is and he didnt even know what I was talking about lol, fun stuff.......

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2497000-2497999/2497424_33_full.jpg

[clos561]

Cel is off now after about 5 mins of driving.......Also I feel like I have to time it just right to gun it for it to not bog up......I talked to my buddy that has a pretty boosted A4 and he said that its probably my filter....Its the inverted powerstack style, which also has the whole in the center of the filter, he said that the powerstack actually passes the MAS in a way where it causes it to bog up.. He said the only way its good for a turbo car is if it has a completee u turn in the intake piping......Otherwise it makes the MAS error up?... Anyone else hear of this?

On another note I raced a 350z with a aem CAI tonite from 35 to 110ish.....we were neck and neck pulling back and forth the whole way it was sweet, He was slightly pulling on me at the end when my car was bogging because of the intake, but never left my bumpers either way!!!!!!!!! He asked at the next red light what I had in it......I told him what it is and he didnt even know what I was talking about lol, fun stuff.......

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2497000-2497999/2497424_33_full.jpg
i tried changing the filter on the car and i was idling and it was shaking a little bit, soudns basdass but i dont want to run my car fucked up, was jstu curious if u guys knew . maybe i am leaking air somewhere or something, here are these pics. i had to make a custom thing for the sensor between the filter and stock piping.
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k254/los561/Dcfn0053.jpg
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k254/los561/Dcfn0052.jpg

[clos561]

i put the stock air box in because i was scared of messing up the engine , i must add this is my first tuner car ever. so im new to everything. maybe you guys know of a filter kit with pipes that works nice and has spot for sensor and all the goods that i can buy.

[zams3]

hey i dont currently have a ms3 and i have gotten to look under the hood really but all u have done is taken the stock air box out and put the filter by the MAF right? im just thinkin ab gettin one soon and that will be one of the few mods... thanks

[mdl247]

will the msp mass air flow sensor be plug and play with the ms3? thats the same kind of maf the protege 1.6 have and i had one of those and they were a pain in the ass to work with. i tried custom making an intake didn't work good and then when i ordered a injen cai i chopped it a bit to make it a short air and at certain points it would get sluggish. i beleive that its just that maf that the ms3 has is a pain in the ass to work with. so i was wondering if the msp maf would work cuz i got a spare and my ms3 don't come in until late feb early march cuz i want the cosmic blue so i gotta wait and since i can't mess with it now maybe someone can check it out for me

[voiceKoil]

will the msp mass air flow sensor be plug and play with the ms3? thats the same kind of maf the protege 1.6 have and i had one of those and they were a pain in the ass to work with. i tried custom making an intake didn't work good and then when i ordered a injen cai i chopped it a bit to make it a short air and at certain points it would get sluggish. i beleive that its just that maf that the ms3 has is a pain in the ass to work with. so i was wondering if the msp maf would work cuz i got a spare and my ms3 don't come in until late feb early march cuz i want the cosmic blue so i gotta wait and since i can't mess with it now maybe someone can check it out for me

Hey you never know, do they look the same? Since they are different engines Im not sure if it would read properly or plug and play for that matter. But if anyone could swap them and see, then why not.

Update on my intake, I swapped out the 4in powerstack, took off the reducer and put in a regular k&n 3in cone. It drives different, but by no means better. Instead of bogging in low rpms, it would just bog at constant speeds, even with cruise control on. That gets very annoying so I took it off, Im just going to go for the CP-E CAI. And my lady got me a HKS BOV for christmas, so I have to order the flange and put it in!!!!!!!!

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2497000-2497999/2497424_33_full.jpg

[redms3gt]

Hey you never know, do they look the same? Since they are different engines Im not sure if it would read properly or plug and play for that matter. But if anyone could swap them and see, then why not.

Update on my intake, I swapped out the 4in powerstack, took off the reducer and put in a regular k&n 3in cone. It drives different, but by no means better. Instead of bogging in low rpms, it would just bog at constant speeds, even with cruise control on. That gets very annoying so I took it off, Im just going to go for the CP-E CAI. And my lady got me a HKS BOV for christmas, so I have to order the flange and put it in!!!!!!!!

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2497000-2497999/2497424_33_full.jpg


You need this adapter, only one i have seen for SRI that should work.
https://secure38.easycgi.com/sc-power/store/uploads/sc_intake_pic_21.jpg
https://secure38.easycgi.com/sc-power/store/department_.asp?ID=151&dept=155


Putting the MAS on a pipe is gonna cause issues unless you were just lucky enough to find one with exactly the same size and flow characteristics as the stock pipe. The stock ECU measures the voltaged off the MAs based on the speed at which air passes through/around it. If the pipe is bigger than stock less air will flow at the same engine speed therefore tricking the ECU into thinking less air is coming is and injecting less fuel. Lean/BAD. Oppisite is the pipe is smaller than stock. By modifying the size and flow you could potentialy change lean/richen the mixture across the entire rpm band. Example would be on DSM's one could remove the honeycomes withen the MAS and there for let more airflow through without the ECU see it, leaning the mixture. Delaying fuel cut also. I would not mess with it much without a wideband O2 and do it small increments checking reading after modifications. One could take material out of the pipe on the inside to the same effent. A port job. Chances are you homemade set up is so far off the factory Mas size it is running like crap/which it is. Could be way lean. The car still has a O2 so it is able to compensate somewhat to fix the change. Likely the reason the car still runs. Mostly only effective in idle and low throttle cruising. Most ECU's go into open loop mode during WOT and dont use factory O2 reading anyway. I think. I'd pay 150 the RnD'ed mass pipe and be done with it but my modded airbox and KnN drop in is working so nice. Plus what is left of the factory airbox acts as a heat shield for the intake.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k294/ucancallmedebo/HPIM0457.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k294/ucancallmedebo/HPIM0454.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k294/ucancallmedebo/HPIM0455.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k294/ucancallmedebo/HPIM0453.jpg

I have since cut out even more from the box from these pictures. No water, No cels, perfect idle and drivabilty. SRI sound and still get relatively cool air. I would say this mod is good for 10-20hp from the seat of the pants and there is little drop in power at 5500 it goes to 6000k. Then the ecu's limits throttle to 80% so its gonna drop off regardless of the boltons without ecu tuning.

[redms3gt]

Found this also..cheaper if you already got the filter..shipping is 12buck though..

http://*************.com/images/turbo/atp/mafhousingdenso.jpg
http://*************.com/ms3.htm

[Mspeed3]

CPE has a CAI with impressive dyno results, They say no cel codes. The speed6 one is out and the speed 3 is almost ready for production. I think the dyno results were around 20hp and 20TQ over stock. The one for the speed 3 is supposed to be a little more improved then the speed 6

[voiceKoil]

CPE has a CAI with impressive dyno results, They say no cel codes. The speed6 one is out and the speed 3 is almost ready for production. I think the dyno results were around 20hp and 20TQ over stock. The one for the speed 3 is supposed to be a little more improved then the speed 6

Yeh thats what Im going to get, it does put up some really good numbers for just an intake, but I was getting impatient so I figured Id try the sri method. And the speed3s is better than the 6s because the ms6 has 2 air openings on the airbox, the ms3 only has 1, so replacing it will give a better gain because its more restricted to begin with.

[voiceKoil]

Found this also..cheaper if you already got the filter..shipping is 12buck though..

http://*************.com/images/turbo/atp/mafhousingdenso.jpg
http://*************.com/ms3.htm


LMAO!! #uck that $12 for shipping???? Ill pay the $90+ for a dinky piece of aluminum, but $12 for shipping is rediculous!!!!!!! lol Im just kidding, WHY IS THAT thing 90 some bucks??? I figured $50 tops, And they just put that on in the past couple days, I check their site weekly...... And did you write the description above about the MAS, it sounded like you pulled it out of your a$$ lol, not in a harsh way, but you usually dont write like that. But it does make sense, The intercooled pipe I bought was a hair bigger than the stock pipe, Also that did work great on my old dsm and the honeycomb, I dont know why mitsu even put that in there? That was probably chryslers doings lol..... Theres no way Ill be gutting the stock box though.... The CP-E CAI will be just fine, Thanks for the info man!

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[cristo_mazda3]

Just out of curiosity. I used to have a RamAir on my SiR and I now have a Mazda 3. I was going to buy the K&N Complete Cold Air that goes from Ram Air to cold Air. How bad is it to have a ram air installed on your car. I mean I love the sound and I know you get a little bit of HP but I like the fact that I can avoid Hydro Lock. Anyways what is the effect it will have on my car. Will it mess me up in any ways even though Im considering boosting it next year.

[Vermilion]

Short Ram Intake is just gonna be pulling in hot air from the engine bay rather than cooler/colder air with a CAI. The gains won't be the same but, you'll still have the same sound.. possibly even louder.

[gun]

for those of you with a BOV (athmosphere), do you guys also experience the turkey that the msp owners experience?

[zoom-zoomhatch]

I'm not sure how many people are actually running the MS3 with a BOV VTA. But when I get mine in I may for a day just to hear it like that then run it right and I'll let you know if someone else hasn't chimed in a response by then.

[Mspeed3]

I have SSQV VTA, no turkey sound, and People that tell you to recirc don't know what they are talking about. If you want one do it, It's your choice either way. The stock unit doesn't handle high pressure(PSI). If you look at the cheap piece of crap you'll see why. The car naturally runs rich because Mazda planned on people tuning them.

good luck and have fun