the Garrett GT2871R will bolt right on the MSP stock Manifold ?

[Alejo_NIN]

My friend Asks..:


Hi guys,,, do you guys know if the Garrett GT2871R will bolt right on the MSP stock Manifold ?

I have Fully to the max build engine and tranny, and making 250Whp and 250Wpt with stock exhaust and stock turbo but i want to go behond that, I want to make atleast 400 to 450 HP to the Flywheel atleast 380whp to 390WHP what do you guys think about that turbo. I'm just getting info to see if that turbo will fit the msp manifold...

these are the specs i found:

Garrett GT2871R Turbo

DUAL GT STEEL BALL BEARING CENTER SECTION

TURBINE SPECS: GT25

.64 A/R housing

76 TRIM 54mm GT series wheel

COMPRESSOR SPECS: TO4b

.60 A/R HOUSING

71mm 56 trim wheel

[yashart_mp3]

If I remember correctly, it does.... but the wastegate will not fit. You will have to find a way to make it work, or use an external wastegate

[jmv]

he's got a built motor and trans but stock exhuast??

[wicked]

BTW,thats not a "beefed up trans" you just have a welded LSD.

nice car though.


as for the turbo,I am not sure if the 71 will bold up as easily as the RS,but you can allways try.
I am pretty sure it does though.

you may want to consider something else,it doesn't perform much better then the GT28RS at higher boost,but does feel like it takes much longer to get there.

[Alejo_NIN]

i think that for him to be doing more than 400whp, he need a custom exhaust mani with a garret hybrid turbo...like the hnda guys are using

[jmv]

thats a nice car mang.

[wicked]

i think that for him to be doing more than 400whp, he need a custom exhaust mani with a garret hybrid turbo...like the hnda guys are using


not really,you should use a beter exhaust mani for sure,one that flows rightnad allows you to use something more like a GT30 or something of that size.
not a 2871,that thing works better on bigger displacment,like useing twins a a V8.
not really a 2.0 turbo.

[mspHtown]

damn, 400whp is ridiculous. how are you going to get any type of traction?!

[sandspeed]

right now the car it´s Insanally fast, even with stock exhaust with just empty cataytics it´s spiking at 24.2 psi, and continuously keeping boost of 17psi.


spiking 24psi on the stock turbo??? ...huh

Thats a ridculously bad spike for the stock turbo which actually is horrible for performance imo and I didn't know it was possible. Anyone want to chime in on this...?

[mspHtown]

why is it spiking so badly? what are you using to control the boost?

[sandspeed]

yea sure , I'm down for a race. I'm going to 441/wiles road tonight. There is a car meet around there on saturday nights. Let me know and I wil give you directions there.

[sandspeed]

Cool. let me see if i can make it. since my wife is almost due. she's almost 9 month pregnant. but. you can always ask alejo, he's driven my car, and he's seem the 24.1 psi spiking and keeping 17 psi. I'm not trying to show off, or be consided. it's just the truth.

alrighty, let me know.

Oh yea, the gt2871R will bolt up fine except for the wastegate actuator(too big and hits the manifold i think). What people do is modify the actuator setup by using either a stock msp actuator or an atp.

[low_psi]

I believe the compressor housing will hit the block, not just the WGA.

[mspHtown]

By the Way folks. All the Tuning and setups have been Done by TBK Performance, Manuel Really knows what's he's doing. That's why he have a protege doing 11's in 1/4 mile. so. any questions why he did it like that just meet with him and ask him ... I'm Really Happy how my car is performing, how is running by the way...


what are the specs on ur built block?!

[kamon8404]

Nice build man. If you race sandspeed, i definately wanna see a vid.

[kamon8404]

Or just get the MPI Nick upgrade ... thats the route I want to go.

[_Slotegé_]

The external packaging of this turbo is identical to that of the GT28RS and can be a nice stealty upgrade to step up to 400HP of flow without much re-arrangement.

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=GRT-TBO-022&Category_Code=GRT

Copy & Paste from ATP's site. If it's the same size as a GT28RS it will bolt onto the manifold with some slight modification's....

[kamon8404]

Let's See when can we race, because he lives really far from me.. but let's see what can we do...

Awesome ... I'll be looking forward to it.

[Alejo_NIN]

haha,
i own you Mazdaspeed2oo35
your car is mine


at least the motor

[Alejo_NIN]

for all those non-believers...
you shoud def check his car out

it is insane...i drove it the day i totaled my car...what a thrill

[kamon8404]

for all those non-believers...
you shoud def check his car out

it is insane...i drove it the day i totaled my car...what a thrill


Did it make you wanna get another msp and go the same route?

[Alejo_NIN]

Did it make you wanna get another msp and go the same route?
yes, if only i had 5k to dump on it

and i will be getting another mazdaspeed....

[SergMSP]

I can vouch for Mazdaspeed2oo35's ride..ive experienced this sitting in the passenger...if u really wanna see an MSp's potential, miguel's ride is it...keep it up homie, i got the camera to take vids, we gotta get 2gether and record this shit for the non believers...holla

[SergMSP]

MIGUEL(boom06) .....your car is sick my nigga...i was trying to keep up with you yesterday but your car is something else kid....we have to get some video asap...and i cant even imagine how hard it will be pulling when you get the 3inch exhaust...Moroso, here we come!(first)

[Alejo_NIN]

ha, funny...you raced!

but it is indeed a quick car
i could barely control all the torque steer!!

keep it up buddy

[SergMSP]

ha, funny...you raced!

but it is indeed a quick car
i could barely control all the torque steer!!

keep it up buddy
nah you crazy, i didnt race, we were just caravanning on 836 west...it was fun, yo post what we did on the overheating thread:
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2873605#post2873605

[nvmsp]

Sounds like fun. I believe 24 + psi on the stock turbo. Seen it done on sr20's so why not a MSP. Plus many people have already hit 17+. Anything is possible with a boost controler and or disconnected WG line.

Car sounds amazing, I can't wait to go to Manuels shop when I win the lottery. I assume your using Haltech?

[Alejo_NIN]

YA, haltech al the way

[yashart@work]

24psi + second gear = no traction?

[Alejo_NIN]

Thanx to my Boy Alejo_NIN for putting together THIS FRANKESTEIN .. Amigo. how you saw and felt it on yesterday, It´s Running like that because of the most Amazing Job i´ve seen on building an Forged Engine, for your dedication and the most important thing the Knowledge and time you putted in my car to make all this shit come true. also thanx to SergMSP for your suppport and for holding last night your balls together in the back seat lol..... You´ll my best friends.... let´s get this shit on video for non believers of what Real 250whp on stock turbo Spiking in every gear to 24.1 PSI it´s all about...

dude, i ain't no god

i'm glad i could help and i'm very proud of it
it is a beast, and i hope next time i have to do that it'll be on my car
coz mine is gonna kick more ass that yours!!

shit, can't wait to go forged!

anyways, thnx for trusting your car to me...i guess i do know one thing or two about cars...

[Alejo_NIN]

24psi + second gear = no traction?
he has an electronic boost controller, so he doesn't spike to 24 right away, i guess that helps with traction, even tho in first u cna't really punch it cos it'll spin like crazy, we also just went thru one tranny and i really didn't feel like braking the second one :)
let him brake it himself

too bad i went srt-4 hunting yesterday with him for 20 mins and i couldn't find any....

[boostdprotegelx]

good show my friend. i'd be interested to see some video of this car. beings that about where i'm trying to get w/ my pro...let me know.

[boostdprotegelx]

Thanx Buddie, Hopefully Next Year when i save a little more money, I'll be putting serious numbers. GT2871R Turbo, Turbo Manifold,External 38mm Tial Wastegate, Bigger Intercooler, 3" Exhaust from J-pipe back, Build up Tranny from TBK Performance, 600HP Drive Shaft, Intercooler Spray, 750cc Injectors. TBK Has Said that we these mods we can put down 470whp with good tuning probably a little more.... but that's just a dream because now my car it's running insane... making all those crazy numbers mean loosing a daily driving car confort to a freaking drag racing protege. which i might consider not to go so crazy in HP numbers....
heh. sounds like you have a plan.


MOTOR:

JE PISTONS

PAUTER RODS

ARP HEAD STUD WITH 12 POINT NUT

ARP MAIN BEARING CAP STUD KIT

AWR FRONT & REAR MOTOR MOUNTS

STAINLESS STEEL BRAIDED OIL LINES



TURBO & INTERCOOLER / PIPING:

T3 / T4 HYBRID TURBONETICS TURBO

TURBONETICS EVOLUTION WASTEGATE

HKS SSQ BLOW OFF VALVE

MAM Intercooler.

CUSTOM STAINLESS STEEL EXHAUST MANIFOLD



EXHAUST & INTAKE:

CUSTOM STAINLESS STEEL DOWNPIPE

CUSTOM STAINLESS STEEL SHORT RAM AIR INTAKE

TRANSMISSION & AXLES:

LSD CAP IS WELDED SEE PICTURE.

RPS CLUTCH-----HOLDS UP TO 400 LBS OF PRESSURE. THIS RPS CLUTCH WAS $500.00 IT'S THE ONLY ONE IN THE WORLD TO HAVE. THE CLUTCH HOLDS MORE POWER THE HOTTER IT GETS AND WEARS AT A MUCH LOWER RATE THEN OTHER MATERIALS WHICH MAKES IT IDEAL FOR DRAG RACING AND HARD ROAD RACING AND HARD STREET RACINGAS WELL. IF YOU WANT TO CHECK THAT THIS IS THE ONLY ONE EVER MADE FOR THIS MOTOR PLEASE CALL RPS AT 818-993-9174

FIDANZA FLYWHEEL

DRIVE SHAFT SHOP AXLES----- THE PROTGE 5 LEVEL 2 HAVE 30% LARGER CENTER MADE FROM 4340 CHROME MOLY THAT IS 4 TIMES STRONGER THEN THE VERY SMALL FACTORY AXLES THEN THEY HAVE NOT ONLY BIGGER IN SIZE BUT HAVE BEEN RE-HE TREATED ,TEMPERED AND DE-STRESSED THEN THEY HAVE SYNTHETIC GREASE, HIGER DUROMETER BOOTS TO TOP IT OFF WHAT THIS MEANS .TO YOU IS THE AXLES WILL HANDLE JUST ABOUT YOU MIGHT OUT THEM TO.THEY CAN HANDLE 400 HP.

custom 3" exhaust all the way back.

that's what i've got right now. plus i have an mpi tuner, and the Twiggy bumpsticks(upgraded cams) and cam gears coming...so mine'll be running this weekend hopefully w/ some luck/magic touch by kooldino..we'll see. it's not ran for over a year. jumped timing, destroyed old valves...anyways..we'll see.

[MSP608]

sounds like you should put down more than 250whp judging by your mod list. hurry up n get that bigger turbo. go gt35r hah. lots of evo's n sti' run those, thatd be awesome to see a protege run one. altho it prolly wouldnt be as efficient as a gt28rs or a gt3037 like azian6er's setup. he seems to be one of the fastest proteges around. love his vids of destroying that srt.

hurry up n get some video of your car man. i wanna see that gauge spiking past the 20 mark.

[funktownp5]

Thanx Buddie, Hopefully Next Year when i save a little more money, I'll be putting serious numbers. GT2871R Turbo, Turbo Manifold,External 38mm Tial Wastegate, Bigger Intercooler, 3" Exhaust from J-pipe back, Build up Tranny from TBK Performance, 600HP Drive Shaft, Intercooler Spray, 750cc Injectors. TBK Has Said that we these mods we can put down 470whp with good tuning probably a little more.... but that's just a dream because now my car it's running insane... making all those crazy numbers mean loosing a daily driving car confort to a freaking drag racing protege. which i might consider not to go so crazy in HP numbers....

You are not going to be able to pull 470whp from that 2871r. If close to

500HP is your goal, get at least a 30R or a 35R will do it with no problem.

[Alejo_NIN]

I WILL PUNCH MIGUEL IN THE FACE IF HE GOES 500WHP

coz, we would only be able to drive the car on the weekends at a track

not fun

mazdaspeed proteges should be daily driven to be enjoyable....is not as fun only drag racing

[69RMSP]

sub'n :P

[SergMSP]

miguelito dawg..IMO i would get the gt28 and keep it stealthy kid...msp's are fun as hell and tell me it didnt suck to have it in the shop cuz the tranny got fucked up again? make it last kid

[MSP608]

Sure. I'm Trying to setup a little get together with SergMSP, and Alejo_NIN in order to get them in the car with me with a camera and record that insane Boosting and Spiking pasing 20 PSI

nice....just curious, how much of the work did you do yourself. seems like alejo and tbk did most everything according to your posts and cardomain.

[JOMO]

I still dont see the point of spiking 24psi. Maybe 18-19psi spike, and then hold your 17psi. That spike is prob hurting your performance more than you think its helping. And dont waste your money on intercooler spray.

And 400whp daily will not be possible with that 71r. Takes more work than you think. I would just go bigger.

[wicked]

I still dont see the point of spiking 24psi. Maybe 18-19psi spike, and then hold your 17psi. That spike is prob hurting your performance more than you think its helping. And dont waste your money on intercooler spray.

And 400whp daily will not be possible with that 71r. Takes more work than you think. I would just go bigger.



it's fully possible with this turbo,but not the route he's going.
it's all in the head.you want to pay the money,you can have a FS-DE at 400HP with only 20PSI,but like I said.you need to pay the money.

example.
my friends machine shop(TEM) has ben building engines for 20yrs,but wanted to start doing more 4cly,so he built a b16,he broke 520HP NA,with no nitrous.
this was the first ever for anyone at the time.
he turned a lot of heads with this,and pissed a lot off.

how did he do it?simple,he found the flaws in the design of the B16,and fixed it,then built it.
(the best turbo engine starts as the best NA engine)

[funktownp5]

my friends machine shop(TEM) has ben building engines for 20yrs,but wanted to start doing more 4cly,so he built a b16,he broke 520HP NA,with no nitrous.
this was the first ever for anyone at the time.
he turned a lot of heads with this,and pissed a lot off.

how did he do it?simple,he found the flaws in the design of the B16,and fixed it,then built it.
(the best turbo engine starts as the best NA engine)

This is the most ridiculous claim i have ever heard.:bs:

[Alejo_NIN]

yo, i thought you trusted manuel with his knowledge, since he actually did your turbo set up...

it confuses me that now you are questioning his work...

do you have data to back up saying that 24 psi is bad?

basically, TBK did the tuning, we did everything engine-wise...

i wouldn't go as far to say that it will hurt performance...
and if so
then what you are really saying is that 250whp is not real, and that basically it should be more since 24psi is hurting performance...



spiking was done on purpose by tbk in order to raise the hp and tq numbers

it actually helped accomplish this, and that's why it spikes.

just m 2 cents...



I still dont see the point of spiking 24psi. Maybe 18-19psi spike, and then hold your 17psi. That spike is prob hurting your performance more than you think its helping. And dont waste your money on intercooler spray.

And 400whp daily will not be possible with that 71r. Takes more work than you think. I would just go bigger.

[GMalatrasi]

Are you guys gonna be at the winterpalooza?
I would love to see those cars.

[yashart_mp3]

The problem here is that your information is conflicting. You are saying that it is spiking to 24psi, while Mazdaspeed2oo3 is saying that he hits full boost @24psi.

If you are spiking to 24psi at lower rpms, it kind of makes sense. Almost like the unichip that spikes to 14psi and drop back down to 10-12psi.... Helps with low-mid power and acceleration. But 24psi is overkill since the turbo is way out of its efficiency range...

Even if you are hitting 24psi in your upper RPMS, its a waste of time. I bet if you were to dyno the car at 17psi and 24psi, the numbers wouldn't be very far off from each other. The fact that you are putting down 250whp @ 24psi pretty much proves this. Others, such as Deaduleas put down 250+ wheel HP, on 3 cylinders, with stock turbo at a lower PSI.

I agree with Jomo, as most others will... 24psi on the stock turbo is probably more damaging to the turbo, than actually helping performance. The stock turbo "runs out of air" somewhere around 17psi if I remember correctly. I believe 15psi is where it is out of its efficiency range. I'll pull up the compressor maps and plot it out later (or maybe you can just search).... Brian MP5T plotted out the stock msp turbo, and the gt28rs as well I think.

Anywho, dont start a flame war. I see where Jomo is coming from and I hope I elaborated on this a bit better. He is right...

On a side note, I think 400whp is *feasible* on the gt2871r turbo, pending you get a turbine AR of .86, a better exhaust manifold, better cams, and PnP the entire head. Like Wicked said, its not going to be easy, and its not going to be cheap. And Again, like Jomo said, it would be a lot easier (and cheaper) just buy a bigger turbo...

[yashart_mp3]

I´ve never said I was hitting full boost of 24 PSI, i said it goes up to 24 PSI, and very slowly drop down little by little to 17 psi.


And I qoute you:


the boost gauge Flying down through all the PSI Sections, 5-8-10-15-20 oh shit 24 PSI oh my god what the fuck he did to this car



We are not asking you to prove anything to us. I am not claiming to know more than Manuel. I am simply telling you what I know. 24psi on the stock msp turbo, with the stock exhaust mani and exhaust is stupid. You are hurting your turbo more than anything else. peroid

[A.V.MSP]

not to add to the flame war but 24 psi seems kinda of high even to spike to for the stock turbo. that thing has to be spitting out some hot ass air. Not talking shit but have you had it dynoed at holding 17 instead of spiking? Just get a different manifold and put a gt30 or something of that sort on it youll probably be happier in the long run.

[funktownp5]

Wow.. It seems that Everyone in here have more Knowledge, and Experience that Manuel the Owner of TBK Performance and brother of the Hi Boost Owner... It´s Pretty Simple Buddie, I´ve never said I was hitting full boost of 24 PSI, i said it goes up to 24 PSI, and very slowly drop down little by little to 17 psi. if you and Jomo, have any questions, your free to Contact Manuel from TBK Performance and ask him who´s full of shit in here. Me the Onwer and daily driver of the car, TBK the shop that did the tuning and dyno the car, Alejo_NIN that has driven my car. or all of you guys that don´t have an 11´s 1/4¨car like TBK does.. pretty simple. I got tired of discusin, and talking about this shit. I don´t have to proove nothinng to nobody in this forum, cause it´s real, it´s there, and it´s parked in my Drive Way.. End of this conversation.

I guess everyone is trying to say that running that about of boost on a

stock turbo is useless. The charge is way out of its effiency range and

something a little bigger will do the job with a lot less boost.

[Alejo_NIN]

mazdasped2003 is having a hard time explaining the reason why it is spiking at 24

from what i understand...
having it spike to 24 psi, helps put down higher number since we all know the turbo dies at 17

it only does 24 for maybe 1 sec, after that it dropes quickly to 17 and stays there

why 24? well, 24 psi is more air omming in...yes more HOT air, ovbiously..but more air none the less.

is it bad? probably, since we all know it is a small turbo

will it last? who knows, so far is holding great after contantly racing the engine for a whole month...

will it perform better with a bigger turbo? of course..
will we go this route? i don't think so...it is making mad power the way it is...before going big on the turbo we still have room for improvement at the exhaust manifold, better flow inside..better cooling at the IC and better flow at the exhaust

after we finish doing all of this, then a bigger turbo would be next, after upgrading transmission and axels...

yes, more power means more money,..but miguel seems to have a bottomless pocket, and i just go with the flow...


laterz

[JOMO]

Useless ? Let's Meet and I'll show you how useless it is, and how shity it's runing, you guys are talking about something that don't have or seen... you just have to drive the car to really say it's stupid and useless to spike so high, i have Internals, Injectors, Fuel Rail, Fuel Pump and ECU to back up that high boost with no detonation or any problems at all. Also I took my turbo to be rebuild and checked for any oil or water leaks, preasure leaks etc, it's brand the hell new now, working and boosting every PSI like a Champ... I have proof of what i'm saying .. Alejo_NIN, and SergMSP have Driven and be inside the car, pushing it to the limits. they can answer all of your questions with all the details you guys want...

Why you keep wanting to run people in the thread. Yeah..you dyno'd 250whp, but thats not unbeatable. Your talking like its the fastest thing on the earth. Its not. Were not saying your not boosting 24psi, but sorry, it is useless. No point. You should just have it to hold to 17-18psi throughout the whole powerband. I wish my car was still boosted, I would have gladly run you. But im stock now, so..thats the end of that.

[03MSP]

Useless ? Let's Meet and I'll show you how useless it is, and how shity it's runing, you guys are talking about something that don't have or seen... you just have to drive the car to really say it's stupid and useless to spike so high, i have Internals, Injectors, Fuel Rail, Fuel Pump and ECU to back up that high boost with no detonation or any problems at all. Also I took my turbo to be rebuild and checked for any oil or water leaks, preasure leaks etc, it's brand the hell new now, working and boosting every PSI like a Champ... I have proof of what i'm saying .. Alejo_NIN, and SergMSP have Driven and be inside the car, pushing it to the limits. they can answer all of your questions with all the details you guys want...

No one is saying your car isn't fast. The fact is, 250whp on TWENTY FOUR psi proves that the stock turbo is insanely inefficient at that level of boost, Matt (Daedalus) made 293 ft/lbs of torque on half the boost you are currently running/spiking (and supposedly on three cylinders).


**Image stolen from one of Brian MP5T's old posts**
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/TURBO.jpg

Here is the compressor map for the GT25 and GT28, as you can see 24 psi is just on the edge of the 60% (don't want to go lower than that) effficiency range for a GT28, it's as far away as the moon is to earth when compared to the GT25(stock turbo) efficiency range. The blue dots represent our engines airflow. the Y-axis is the boost pressure...24 psi is just over 2.6 on the verticle axis.

I wasn't going to add to the debate but your attitude kind of got to me. I don't care who tunes your car, you are being counterproductive boosting that much on that turbo.

[Focus]

Wow.. It seems that Everyone in here have more Knowledge, and Experience that Manuel the Owner of TBK Performance and brother of the Hi Boost Owner... It´s Pretty Simple Buddie, I´ve never said I was hitting full boost of 24 PSI, i said it goes up to 24 PSI, and very slowly drop down little by little to 17 psi. if you and Jomo, have any questions, your free to Contact Manuel from TBK Performance and ask him who´s full of shit in here. Me the Onwer and daily driver of the car, TBK the shop that did the tuning and dyno the car, Alejo_NIN that has driven my car. or all of you guys that don´t have an 11´s 1/4¨car like TBK does.. pretty simple. I got tired of discusin, and talking about this shit. I don´t have to proove nothinng to nobody in this forum, cause it´s real, it´s there, and it´s parked in my Drive Way.. End of this conversation.

Dude, you really need to learn how to chill out. Noone is saying that your car is crap. All they are trying to say is that running a stock turbo at 24psi, even if it's spiking there is not advisable.

For those moments that you are running 24psi, it is blowing extremely hot air. To compensate for that, the ECU has less timing, therefore robbing you of power. With a better tune and less boost, resulting in a better charge temperature you would be able to get the same power to the wheels. You wouldn't be sacrificing the longevity of the turbo either. It is a fact that running the turbo beyond it's capacity WILL kill it.

As for knowledge on these forums, Manuel from TBK may be a good or great mecahnic, but he is not the all-knowing god of protege's either. You should keep your mind open , because you never know what you may be able to learn.

[wicked]

your statments,are well.......ignorant.

what is said here over and over is that you are wasting what you have,you will have a faster car with a more efficient turbo,and if faster is not your game,you can still have the same power at a lower boost level.

I am not saying you need to go and stick in a gt35 or anything,but I am saying you are being down right foolish running a T25 that high,sure it will do it,but it's like chopping down a redwood with a pocket knife(just not the most logical choice in tools)

[sandspeed]

Dude, you really need to learn how to chill out. Noone is saying that your car is crap. All they are trying to say is that running a stock turbo at 24psi, even if it's spiking there is not advisable.

For those moments that you are running 24psi, it is blowing extremely hot air. To compensate for that, the ECU has less timing, therefore robbing you of power. With a better tune and less boost, resulting in a better charge temperature you would be able to get the same power to the wheels. You wouldn't be sacrificing the longevity of the turbo either. It is a fact that running the turbo beyond it's capacity WILL kill it.

As for knowledge on these forums, Manuel from TBK may be a good or great mecahnic, but he is not the all-knowing god of protege's either. You should keep your mind open , because you never know what you may be able to learn.

well put, 2 heads are better than one.
It's wise to listen and learn from enthusiasts who are very knowledgable, especially one whom has been in the game (i.e. Focus) since the beginning.
I suggest asking Manuel to try and reduce the spiking and focus on keeping boost as steady as possible. This way you can reduce your intake temps and run more efficiently being that this is your daily driver. However, it is your car and you are allowed to do whatever you want. Enjoy the car Miguel and keep us updated on your progess.

Sidenote: I believe the intial question was answered a long time ago so therefore we should move on...

Hey has anyone watched the MX-5 cup and Laguna Seca? Man, if I had the money I would buy an mx-5 to race it.:)

[03MSP]

In Mazdaspeed2oo35's defense, if he wants to his car to hold at 17 psi, there is going to be a spike. I have messed with my Greddy EBC for so long and it really doesn't matter. I like to hold ~13-14 and to do that I spike to 17. It's the internal wastegates (I assume) that make it difficult, especially on such a fast spooling turbo.

Still doesn't make it good on the turbo, but I really don't think his tuners "made it spike to give midrange power", they just flat out couldn't get it to not spike.

[MSP608]

same here, i would spike 11-12 when i held 9 psi on my greddy ebc. maybe its more of a difference the higher boost you go?

but yea Mazdaspeed2oo35 you shouldnt sit there n say you dont need to learn anything. i decided to do all my mods myself after i was wripped off on my turbo timer install. ever since then ive learned a tooonnn. not just about the msp but turbo's and everything in general. i dont understand flow charts that well but just what theyre saying seems right, dont get mad at them for stating the obvious. maybe if you had taken the time and done more of the mods yourself and gotten a better understanding you could realize that theyre right. what happens when something breaks? youre gonna have to go drop more money back at where you had it installed to have it fixed. but thats ok i guess if you have bottomless pockets...

[Alejo_NIN]

ahh
you people don't know how to argue
this thread is boring

i need more "fuck you's" and "go to hell"'s

[03MSP]

ahh
you people don't know how to argue
this thread is boring

i need more "fuck you's" and "go to hell"'s

Haha, but we wanna be nice to your friend!

P.S. Go to hell Alejo!

[msp2fast]

mine holds 13psi with a 15psi spike using unichip ebc and the only reason it wont spike any higher is because of fuelcut!

PS:vayanse pal carajo cabrones(glare)

[Alejo_NIN]

mine holds 13psi with a 15psi spike using unichip ebc and the only reason it wont spike any higher is because of fuelcut!

PS:vayanse pal carajo cabrones(glare)
hhaha


well, lets drop this

i request a mod to close this thread...is getting outta hand

in favor of everyone

everyone is right up to some level...we will neve ragree on anything

lets just let miguel enjoy his ride
it is a nice car, i've driven it, i've built it

so, there is no need to PROOF anything....

lets just see how long it lasts and how good it performs...




WHY CAN'T WE BE FRIENDS....WHY CAN'T WE BE FRIENDS....WHY CAN'T WE BE FRIENDS!!!

[msp2fast]

hhaha


well, lets drop this

i request a mod to close this thread...is getting outta hand

in favor of everyone

everyone is right up to some level...we will neve ragree on anything

lets just let miguel enjoy his ride
it is a nice car, i've driven it, i've built it

so, there is no need to PROOF anything....

lets just see how long it lasts and how good it performs...




WHY CAN'T WE BE FRIENDS....WHY CAN'T WE BE FRIENDS....WHY CAN'T WE
BE FRIENDS!!!




Ah cmon man you requested you got it!but anyways whats the worst that could happen to your friend,he'll blow his turbo up,more than a reason to upgrade and get the full potential out of that forged motor,thats what il do when i go forge in a couple of months.

[MSP608]

well i still wanna see some videos of the beast...

[funktownp5]

Did you say you were running a Profect B Spec II boost controller? I dont think

it is set right, my friend with an Evo also had a Profect B(i installed it as well

as making the settings) and it held at a steady PSI. I dont know if they meant

to do this but you can set the boost to not spike and hold boost.

[MSP608]

guess i never found the right setting for my profec b then.

[Alejo_NIN]

the spike was done on purpose

[wicked]

the spike was done on purpose



oh course it was set on purpose,he is trying to get the most out of the turbo without risking it(to much)

but he wouldn't need to do it if the turbo wasn't pushing past it's efficientcy.

[funktownp5]

I dont get it? Built motor, ported head, bigger cam, Haltech EMS and then

he uses a STOCK TURBO? Not to flame or put you down but i dont

understand this logic, you could be making at least +75HP just by using a

diffrent charger.

[JOMO]

I dont get it? Built motor, ported head, bigger cam, Haltech EMS and then

he uses a STOCK TURBO? Not to flame or put you down but i dont

understand this logic, you could be making at least +75HP just by using a

diffrent charger.

x2

[otmsp]

this thread is like an asshole and/or opinion.....everyone got one. And yes i too plan to fully mod all my MSP around the T25..so :)

[wicked]

I dont get it? Built motor, ported head, bigger cam, Haltech EMS and then

he uses a STOCK TURBO? Not to flame or put you down but i dont

understand this logic, you could be making at least +75HP just by using a

diffrent charger.


.................or the same HP in a more efficient RPM range with less PSI

[Alejo_NIN]

yea, stop bashing on the guy with the small turbo

he ran out of money..after blowing the transmission


we are planning different way of accomplishing big numbers

this ways won't be disclosed until we know for shure what we're gonna do...

so far....

SOMEONE CLOSE THIS THREAD ALREADY

[funktownp5]

It´s not fun if you do everything at once. Also by the time I did all that you guys see in the list, I ran out budget. since my wife gave birth of a sweet baby boy yesterday night and i needed it to have enough money for the baby. sometime next year i´ll put the final toys, and i´ll make big numbers. but up to now, with that stock turbo, it´s fast man. it´s fun to drive, i would love to show you guys, not racing, probably inviting to take a spin with me, or letting you guys drive it, so you can feel how awesome it´s running. i don´t want to fight or argue with anyone, but you really have to drive it, and feel it to really say that the tuning the TBK performance it´s not the right one or either efficient. i wish we can all meet and share stuff. oh well i´ll take some videos so you can tell me what you all think.. Merry Christmas to all of you in the Forums and Happy new year...

Well at least you are enjoying the car, and congrats on the new baby!:)

[nvmsp]

I can imagine how much that bitch pulls. I've only raised the boost 1 or 2 times and the most i hit was 9psi maybe 10psi and the car yanks but I couldnt feel the true power because of bad o2 sensor etc. Car wasnt running right before I turned up the boost anyway.

And I've been in 2 MSP's at 10psi and the speed just pulls, and will do burnouts like nothing with 5 peeps in the car. I take it back , I couldnt imagine how much that car must pull!

I know my car is fast, and I 've proven that, but damn. 24psi! When I'm racing, yea the car is fast, yea I beat an Srt4 and ran even with a sr20det with full bolt-ons, but you don't really feel the turbo. It feels fast but it doesnt yank like 10psi +....so 24psi! That transmission must be crying. I felt my tranny,(shifting gears) when I turned up the boost and it feels a little loose. So your tranny must be getting a workout.

[wicked]

Yeah Men, I already destroyed 3rd gear completely,even though i had stronger 3rd and 5th gear i´ll be posting pics of it soon. It broke one night i was showing SergMSP how hard was pulling once i hitted 24 psi and shift to 3rd, it poped... couldn´t believe it. also i´ll be posting videos of the car pulling, and boosting up. just got to get Alejo_NIN, and SergMSP together to record some nice angles and shots of the car pulling, also someone from the back seat to record the boost gauge..




lovely trany the MSP was given.

............congrats on the baby boy.

[low_psi]

example.
my friends machine shop(TEM) has ben building engines for 20yrs,but wanted to start doing more 4cly,so he built a b16,he broke 520HP NA,with no nitrous.

Please tell me you meant to say 250hp... because 520hp is the most ridiculous claim made on this site to date.

[CitizenPro]

^ werd.

[Alejo_NIN]

Please tell me you meant to say 250hp... because 520hp is the most ridiculous claim made on this site to date.
it could be possible to reach 520 na without a nitros kit...

if the engine is also attached to a v8 supercharged....lol


or maybe made to run rocket fuel

[wicked]

you guys can joke all you want,this engine set a lot of records.no one broke 450 before this.

it gave him a hell of a lot of recognition,and was the youngest guy to recieve "builder of the year"and it was a Co-op with Joe Mandello.



and it was run on alcahol.

[MSP608]

gimme a link to an article on this engine. if its so famous then there should be a wealth of knowledge about it.

[wicked]

gimme a link to an article on this engine. if its so famous then there should be a wealth of knowledge about it.


good point,I don't know what I can find,but it's worth a shot.

BTW,this thing was never put into a car.