Need help choosing next mod...

[Knox Joe]

I've got a nice bonus check coming next week, and I plan on spendin about a grand on parts.

My current mods are;

Drop in K&N
Turbohoses SMIC
EBC Brakes
EBC Pads
Autometer Boost Gauge
Greddy TT
Enkie 18 x 7 EVO5's w/ Toyo Proxes

I was thinking about going ahead and purchaing EMS since I'm gonna have to get it in the long run anyways.

That, or maybe exhaust, hard pipes, AEM WB, motor mounts, vac lines. Not all of them, couldn't do that with a grand.

[JOMO]

For a grand..Hmmm.

I would get the dsm-afc for now until you really need a standalone.

either a custom 3'' tb exhaust or a 3'' dp.

[vcinsanity1523]

exhaust

[Drake13]

I'd get the hiboost.com FMIC kit for the MSP.. its 900 bucks and from what i've read it provides mad HP! for the price. That or a turbo back exhaust.. but you'd get more from the FMIC .. not to mention it would look sick seeing that huge bad boy in the grill. :)

[Knox Joe]

Will the dsm-afc and exhuast make a big diff?

[JOMO]

yes, the dsm afc will smooth things out. The exhaust will make a diff. The least amount of backpressure is the best.

I would first, if it were me. I would worry about the exhaust work first. Dp, exhaust. Then Fmic/smic, then afc to help incorporate all the mods.

[Knox Joe]

Well I can get the Vibrant S- back, and the dsm-afc for about what I want to spend. Allready got the smic.


Now how about the install?

I looked at airflow logistics and couldn't find any pics of the install. I'm not one to go splicing into and electrical system unless I know exactly what I'm doing.

[Drake13]

I've read somewhere on these forms a dude had a turbo back exhaust with hiboost FMIC and was pushing something like 200whp.. i think he had a boost controler as well.. but still not bad for 3 basic bolt on mods.

[mspHtown]

i have the vibrant and i love it!! look into getting the vibrant and the protegegarage.com intake manifold!!

[jestermsp]

word u should get a dsm afc n the vibrant exhaust n turn ur boost to about 9psi n u'll have a whole new car. my car turned into a rocket with those mods. plus the afc comes pretuned just wire that shit up n drive.

[orng1]

Will the dsm-afc and exhuast make a big diff?
Yes, EMS and exhaust are some of the best mods for the car.

[MSpeed2397]

Best bang for your buck/safety for your buck. Those are good supporting mods to have esp when upping the boost.

[haze20]

Exhaust should be the next thing you get. Also if you launch the car hard at all I would suggest motor mounts. Even if you only get the front.

[low_psi]

exhaust and either a SMIC or FMIC.

[Drake13]

Hey dude.. i believe you got your vertic... Exhaust, FMIC, EMS. I'd create a poll and advise everyone to to start on that and make a list of what mods you can get for about 1k. And just to help ya out some more.... i'm sure the guys wouldn't mind. we could post a link to that product so you can see the amount/site ect...

[jmv]

i would probably go with exhuast and or EMS along with your SMIC before upgrading to a FMIC....

[210_ZOOM]

man, check out this post
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123653190

Ken has some screaming deals from www.protegegarage.com . Look at the 626 intake mani swap (299.00) Look at the full MM set w/side inserts (149.00+s/h) Then look into the vibrant exhaust @ http://***********************/mazdaspeed.htm
ON SALE TILL 20 DEC for less than (760.00). Total 1200 + hp = :) zoom zoom zoom

Definately look at the mani swap, got me 25WHP.

edited price on exhaust-seen info that contridicted my previous answer.

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123653903

[cmahlig]

apex r1 3 inch catless dp, afc

[Knox Joe]

man, check out this post
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123653190

Ken has some screaming deals from www.protegegarage.com . Look at the 626 intake mani swap (299.00) Look at the full MM set w/side inserts (149.00+s/h) Then look into the vibrant exhaust @ http://***********************/mazdaspeed.htm
ON SALE TILL 20 DEC for less than (760.00). Total 1200 + hp = :) zoom zoom zoom

Definately look at the mani swap, got me 25WHP.

edited price on exhaust-seen info that contridicted my previous answer.

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123653903

You've got basically all the mods I want, really just minus EMS. How's yours running?

[Knox Joe]

Okie dokie, a little update.

I bought the Perrin exhaust system, and some Espelir springs. What else do
I need?

I can't find where to buy the "MIL Eliminator" I keep reading about. Anyone know where? Are there any other options?

Second, what type of EMS should I go with?

I have heard mixed reviews on Unichip, and I don't like that there is no one in my state to tune it. So it's pretty much out of the question.

I have heard mixed review on the MPI, so...

Which way do I go?

I decided I'm not going forged, just want to do everything for reliability I can and to get some decent perfromance. I'll stay AT THE MOST 10 psi, and really want a streetable car, and I've heard stand alone engine management is not very good for a "street" car. I drive 90% mountainous backroads, so huge HP is not an issue.

So full stand alone or piggyback?

Or should I get the Airflow Logistics AFC?

I really only want at the most 250hp.



Edit: Oh yeah, WB , clutch, and Oil Pan is at the top of my list right now.(ughdance)

[Knox Joe]

Parts list now is;

Drop in K&N
Turbohoses SMIC
EBC Brakes
EBC Pads
Autometer Boost Gauge
Greddy TT
Enkie 18 x 7 EVO5's w/ Nitto Neo
Perrin 3" Exhaust
Espelir Springs




I can't wait for all the parts to go on at once!!!

Tax time comes soon, and I'll be done buying parts.

[MSP608]

mil: http://apexr1.com/mamilelcfi.html

id put awr front motor mount and wideband top of your list. then save up for the AFC

[Knox Joe]

mil: http://apexr1.com/mamilelcfi.html

id put awr front motor mount and wideband top of your list. then save up for the AFC

You think the AFC would be enough?

I'll probably buy the MMs, WB,and ex. hangers today.

[kamon8404]

The SS AFC will definately be enough. I am running it right now and I love it. It comes with a stock super map and its amazing. Like an entirely different car. Only about 6 wires and a boost line, and you are really zoomin. I will never run my car without it and its like an entirely different vehicle.

[MSP608]

hey knox i know youre excited about all your new parts but dont install them all at once. do them one at a time so if a problem comes up you have a better chance of rooting it out.

[Knox Joe]

hey knox i know youre excited about all your new parts but dont install them all at once. do them one at a time so if a problem comes up you have a better chance of rooting it out.
I'm not doing the installing a performance shop is.

I don't have the time, space, or tools to do it myself. The MSP isn't my daily driver.

[Drake13]

I'm not doing the installing a performance shop is.

I don't have the time, space, or tools to do it myself. The MSP isn't my daily driver.


Do us all a big favor.... get it dyno'd before and after the parts :) I don't care if you can't post the sheet i just want to know the numbers on the outcome!!

[Knox Joe]

Do us all a big favor.... get it dyno'd before and after the parts :) I don't care if you can't post the sheet i just want to know the numbers on the outcome!!


Well, I have the SMIC on, but I might swap it out before he does it for the baseline run.

[Drake13]

Woot!

[DSMConvert]

I would strongly suggest fuel control to maximize what you've already done to the car...the msp has a crappy fuel curve to begin with and with those mods its only going to get worse...obviously I'm going to plug my product, as many have praised, but regardless if you get my afc, a mpi, or a unichip you'll notice a big difference in performance and driveability. As far as installs pics and such, there are 2 or 3 FAQs on here about AFC installs by fellow tuners as well as pics on our website, We also include very specific instructions with the afc, which should also be pdf files on the website(if they aren't let me know b/c they should be up there). If you want feel free to pm or email me and I can give you honest advise on what/how you should go with your mods. Ask anyone on here and they'll tell you I have no problem telling someone our AFC isn't for them if I feel their mods are above what we designed the AFC to handle. I'm a fellow tuner first and foremost and and vendor second to that...

[Knox Joe]

Allright, I'm gonna buy the AFC now, and wait a bit (prolly a week) for the MM, WB, and ex. hangers.

[MSP608]

Allright, I'm gonna buy the AFC now, and wait a bit (prolly a week) for the MM, WB, and ex. hangers.

sounds good, let us know how it goes

[lisevolution]

I personally can vouch for the AFC making a huge difference in overall performance. My mods in chronlogical order went CAI, Hi-Boost FMIC, Custom Mid-Pipe Exhaust, AFC. If I were to do it again, I would have done the Exhaust before the FMIC as the gains with the FMIC were not significant until I did the exhaust. The AFC then just turned the MSP into an entirely different car. I haven't even had the car Dyno tuned yet and only running the stock SuperMap and the performance increase was definitely significant. You will not be disappointed with the purchase...

[Knox Joe]

Well just found out I got another salary increase and am creeping up on 6 figures, so the MSP may be gone in lieu of a more "luxurious" car, ie. Benz, Beemer, Lexus, Infinity, etc.

I figure if i make the money to afford something better, then why spend money on the MSP?

I got this car before my new career, so right now it's not up to par with how much I make.

My only concern is that if I get a new car it won't handle like an MSP (is that good or bad?? FF + high HP sucks!!!) and I'll end up getting a boat car.

[mspHtown]

Well just found out I got another salary increase and am creeping up on 6 figures, so the MSP may be gone in lieu of a more "luxurious" car, ie. Benz, Beemer, Lexus, Infinity, etc.

I figure if i make the money to afford something better, then why spend money on the MSP?

I got this car before my new career, so right now it's not up to par with how much I make.

My only concern is that if I get a new car it won't handle like an MSP (is that good or bad?? FF + high HP sucks!!!) and I'll end up getting a boat car.


just because you have the money doesnt mean you have to waste it on a more expensive car...

[Knox Joe]

just because you have the money doesnt mean you have to waste it on a more expensive car...

I'm just really thinking about getting away from FF cars.(omg)


I used to have a 5 liter Mustang, a Camaro, and an old T-bird Super Coupe, and I really like FR better. The MSP is great until you start to push for a little more, then the front plows, where I can get a FR to come around. Granted, you can make the MSP oversteer, but it's not really able to be progressively done so.

I just WANT something a little more. I don't need a sedan, and I don't need a daily driver, so I'm really leaning towards a M3, Z3, or Z4.

Like I said though, we'll find out Saturday wether I can swing something a bit more pricey (mmmm....MS6).

[lisevolution]

I hear you on the salary deal, I easily clear 6 figures here in NY and can definitely afford a nicer car, but all that nicer car will do is sit at the trainstation all day while I work in Manhattan. If I drove my car more often I would own the new Acura TL-S

[Knox Joe]

I hear you on the salary deal, I easily clear 6 figures here in NY and can definitely afford a nicer car, but all that nicer car will do is sit at the trainstation all day while I work in Manhattan. If I drove my car more often I would own the new Acura TL-S

Yeah but you live in NY. 6 figures is not the same there as here in Knoxville, TN. LOL no offense.

I went to Manhattan once to DJ at a couple of nightclubs...

What, $15 dollars for a Jack & coke??!?!?!?

$340 a night for a little ass hotel room!!!??!!?!

$35 entrees at dinner!!!!???!!!

$25 cab ride for a couple miles!!!!???!?!?!?

Who can afford to live there comfortably that doesn't make at least $100,000?

[MSP608]

Well just found out I got another salary increase and am creeping up on 6 figures, so the MSP may be gone in lieu of a more "luxurious" car, ie. Benz, Beemer, Lexus, Infinity, etc.

I figure if i make the money to afford something better, then why spend money on the MSP?

I got this car before my new career, so right now it's not up to par with how much I make.

My only concern is that if I get a new car it won't handle like an MSP (is that good or bad?? FF + high HP sucks!!!) and I'll end up getting a boat car.

well whynot dump that new money into the msp and be envied by all here

[Knox Joe]

well whynot dump that new money into the msp and be envied by all here

I mean i love my MSP, but I want a platform for bigger things. Maybe I'll let the GF keep the MSP, and trade her car in since it's paid off for a dwn. pymnt. on something "new to me."


I've been so confused on what to do...

Oh, and get this, the owner just called me a minute ago, and told me since the accountants are doing all kinds of crazy stuff for the new year, Ihave to wait a week for my raise!!!!!

I don't want to sound greedy and ask how much either, so I'll just wait. I used to be poor, so I don't want to ruin anything.

[mspHtown]

I'm just really thinking about getting away from FF cars.(omg)


I used to have a 5 liter Mustang, a Camaro, and an old T-bird Super Coupe, and I really like FR better. The MSP is great until you start to push for a little more, then the front plows, where I can get a FR to come around. Granted, you can make the MSP oversteer, but it's not really able to be progressively done so.

I just WANT something a little more. I don't need a sedan, and I don't need a daily driver, so I'm really leaning towards a M3, Z3, or Z4.

Like I said though, we'll find out Saturday wether I can swing something a bit more pricey (mmmm....MS6).

m3's are awesome cars. not a big fan of the z3 or z4

[MSP608]

m3's are awesome cars. not a big fan of the z3 or z4

yea theyre heavy too. one time when i was riding w/my dad in his sti and a guy in an e46 flagged us down. he just wanted to tell us what an awesome car the sti was and how he was trading his (what looked like) quite modded m3 in for one. he said he did alot of track events and wanted something more nimble. ive also heard my brother complain many a time about how heavy his e36 m3 is, and thats why he never autox's it.

[Knox Joe]

After looking at cars, and weighing my options, I have decided to keep the MSP.

Now though, we'll have twins.

I'm trading my GF's car in for a Titanium Mazdaspeed Miata!!!!!

We've decided we're just going to share both (don't worry we've been together 6 yrs), and mod both. It would still be cheaper than me getting one more expensive car.

The MSM is $15,500 w/ 51k one owner miles. Good deal?

Getting her shipped from AL to Tn via CarMax. I never realized what good deals CarMax actually had. They're also giving us more than I thought for the GF's car (just paid it off!!!) so I'm super stoked.

[Knox Joe]

Oh yeah, I'm ordering the AFC today.

[kamon8404]

Oh yeah, I'm ordering the AFC today.

Nice choice! I love mine!

[MSP608]

Oh yeah, I'm ordering the AFC today.

sounds great. enjoy the new ride too!

[Knox Joe]

Well I would have ordered an AFC, but they're not getting back to me.

[MSP608]

did you order from dsmconvert? thats who id goto

[Knox Joe]

did you order from dsmconvert? thats who id goto
Yup. Been a couple days now.

Someone's got an MPI Tuner for pretty cheap, if I don't hear back from DSMconvert I may just buy that.

[DSMConvert]

Yo Knox you sent me your info? Hmm... Send it to me again and make sure it goes to john@airflowlogistics.com and I'll get you an invoice by tonight guaranteed!!! My apologies if I ended up missing something....

[MSP608]

where? where?!

[Knox Joe]

Yo Knox you sent me your info? Hmm... Send it to me again and make sure it goes to john@airflowlogistics.com and I'll get you an invoice by tonight guaranteed!!! My apologies if I ended up missing something....

I PM'ed you, and Emailed you. My email is wdell1010@yahoo.com

thanks bro.


Edit: I re-sent the email. Let me know.

[Knox Joe]

Paid last night. Can't wait for it to get here.

[MSP608]

glad you went that route, bc i grabbed the mpi(lol2)

[Knox Joe]

Lol

[Knox Joe]

Problem after problem.

Okay, Apex1 or whatever the company is, is out of the cel fix for the exhaust. What do I get?

Also, what W/B?

It's lookin like AEM or nothing right now.

[haze20]

If you are talking about a mil eliminator just do the spark plug non-fouler trick. You can click on my sig if you want to look at a couple more W/B on JDM Sam's site.

[orng1]

The spark plug non fouler is a great option, there is no need to cut or modify the wires. You just drill it out a bit and plug it in line from the O2 bung and the sensor. The AEM is good if your going to mount it in a pillar pod. I think it's the only W/B that's made that way.

[Knox Joe]

I have no tools, so I wouldn't be doing the work, but I'll see what the shop thinks about the non fouler idea.

[DSMConvert]

you can also go to the how to section and make a mil eliminator...costs about $5 in parts from radio shack and only requires a soldering iron...

[Wbriggs19061]

i got the obx sim. off ebay i forget how much it was. just screws right in the exhaust and screw the sensor into it..i have it on my perrin exhaust for the past year and all is good.

[Knox Joe]

Update;
Got the wideband, having everything installed today.

So mod list will be;

TurboHoses SMIC (w/ stock hot & cold pipe)
K & N Drop In Filter
Perrin Exhaust
Greddy TT
NGK Plugs
Autometer Boost Gauge
Aem Wideband o2 Gauge
Spark Plug Non-Fouler
DSM AFC V1
Espelir Springs
18 x 7.5 Enkie Evo5's
215/40/18 Nitto Neo Gens


So what next?

I may get the Perrin intake, and a Samco hot pipe. I'm really thinking about staying with the stock intake and cold pipe and just getting a hot pipe for now.

[Knox Joe]

Anyone, anyone...

Bueller, Bueller, Bueller.

[Drake13]

how come you don't get the HiBoost FMIC conversion... that would kill everything..between that and a turbo/cat back exhause you'd be pushing mad HP! those parts you have listed arn't going to do you any good other then look pretty... unless thats your course of taking. I can't say to much myself I have about 2k in my engine and about 6k in looks.

[Knox Joe]

Got evrything done and picked her up @ 11 tonight.

She's still running rich, but it's alright. I'm spiking at about 8.5. It's effen loud!

The exhaust is really noisy, like hearing the metal creak. I also get a weird vibration at certain RPMs. I'll likely buy a set of exhaust hangers tommorow.

Oh, and FMIC is coming within the next 30 days. Summer is right around the corner, and I'm gonna need something to fight the heat.....soak.

[Drake13]

awesome.. so you did decide to get it.. i thought you decided on :

So mod list will be;

TurboHoses SMIC (w/ stock hot & cold pipe)
K & N Drop In Filter
Perrin Exhaust
Greddy TT
NGK Plugs
Autometer Boost Gauge
Aem Wideband o2 Gauge
Spark Plug Non-Fouler
DSM AFC V1
Espelir Springs
18 x 7.5 Enkie Evo5's
215/40/18 Nitto Neo Gens

[Knox Joe]

awesome.. so you did decide to get it.. i thought you decided on :

So mod list will be;

TurboHoses SMIC (w/ stock hot & cold pipe)
K & N Drop In Filter
Perrin Exhaust
Greddy TT
NGK Plugs
Autometer Boost Gauge
Aem Wideband o2 Gauge
Spark Plug Non-Fouler
DSM AFC V1
Espelir Springs
18 x 7.5 Enkie Evo5's
215/40/18 Nitto Neo Gens

I've been contemplating getting the FMIC for a while now, and after I priced hard pipes at $375, or even the extra $150 for silicone, it looked to be about the same price for a front mount. Plus, I'm still getting heatsoak on my SMIC.

So, I'm going front mount.

The owner of my company is coming next Monday and everytime he has came I've gotten a couple thousand for a bonus, so I should be able to buy the FMIC next week sometime.

I may just buy a core and have the shop fab up some piping.

[Drake13]

I've been contemplating getting the FMIC for a while now, and after I priced hard pipes at $375, or even the extra $150 for silicone, it looked to be about the same price for a front mount. Plus, I'm still getting heatsoak on my SMIC.

So, I'm going front mount.

The owner of my company is coming next Monday and everytime he has came I've gotten a couple thousand for a bonus, so I should be able to buy the FMIC next week sometime.

I may just buy a core and have the shop fab up some piping.


Ya i guess thats a cheaper route.. but i've heard you get an impressive 25hp out of hiboost's kit. I read on here one of the best mods for the MSP is the FMIC, cork sport cat back, CAI, and downpipe.. to finish it all off get a better manifold.. but that all right there is well into the 2-4k mark. But you'd be extreamly happy with your setup.

[Knox Joe]

So I was driving w/ my brother, and he was watching the boost gauge, and he said I spiked at 10 in 1st gear, and held at 8.5.

Is that normal?

I haven't upped the boost in any way, shape, or form.

[Knox Joe]

Bump for answer

[crashkelly]

yeah the spiking is bound to happen with the added power...but there might be a small leak somewhere in your system... As for mods i'd say go get yourself a nice MPI tuner ...in fact now that i mention it i happen to have a brand new/never been installed unit that i am letting go for $200 under cost!

[Knox Joe]

yeah the spiking is bound to happen with the added power...but there might be a small leak somewhere in your system... As for mods i'd say go get yourself a nice MPI tuner ...in fact now that i mention it i happen to have a brand new/never been installed unit that i am letting go for $200 under cost!
Ugh, I just had the Airflow Logistics AFC put on. I won't need an MPI.

[crashkelly]

sorry didnt see that part

[Knox Joe]

Okay guys,

I got my first CEL tonight.

The car was running fine, mods are as described from above. Have an o2 simulator, so I don't know what's going on.

The w/b is showing me running around 10.5 to full rich at WOT, idling at 14.5- 15.8. everything feels good and seems to be running right. What could be going on?

Im going to Advanced Auto Parts tommorow to get the code read.

[Knox Joe]

This is the o2 simulator I am using.
http://www.voodooboost.com/images/o2sim2_tn.jpg

Just two non foulers w/ one drilled out.

[Knox Joe]

Allright, I got everything installed, and ordered some more parts. Had a few little things done now it's like this;

To be installed;
HiBoost FMIC
Injen Intake

Installed;
Turbo Hoses SMIC
K&N Drop-In
Perrin Exhaust
Greddy TT
NGK Plugs
Autometer Boost Gauge
Aem Wideband o2 Gauge
Spark Plug Non-Fouler
DSM AFC V1
Kartboy Shifter Bushings
Kartboy Exhaust Hangers
Espelir Springs
18 x 7.5 Enkie Evo5's
215/40/18 Nitto Neo Gens

So now what???

I'm thinking J&S Safeguard, and a new clutch (mines been slipping).

Maybe motor mounts? Intake Mani?

[MSP608]

how do you like that dsm afc? help the car out alot?

[Knox Joe]

how do you like that dsm afc? help the car out alot?

OMG, dude, my car is a whole new machine, but that was coupled with the exhaust at the same time, so those are two big upgrades at the same time.

[MSP608]

awesome, cant wait to get my mpi installed. so how exactly do you change maps and what not, does it come with one of those handy little controlers like the ones apex'i make?

[orng1]

Allright, I got everything installed, and ordered some more parts. Had a few little things done now it's like this;

HiBoost FMIC
Injen Intake
Perrin Exhaust
Greddy TT
NGK Plugs
Autometer Boost Gauge
Aem Wideband o2 Gauge
Spark Plug Non-Fouler
DSM AFC V1
Kartboy Shifter Bushings
Kartboy Exhaust Hangers
Espelir Springs
18 x 7.5 Enkie Evo5's
215/40/18 Nitto Neo Gens

So now what???

I'm thinking J&S Safeguard, and a new clutch (mines been slipping).

Maybe motor mounts? Intake Mani?

Wow yeah you've got quite a list there. Seing as your clutch is starting to go I'd replace that along with the motor mounts. The rear is a lot easier to replace once the trans is out anyways and if your still on the stock LSD weld that up and you should be good.

[Wbriggs19061]

what map do u run with the afc?

[Knox Joe]

I'm running the supermap.

Keep in mind, the intake and fmic are not installed.

I have a Turbo Hoses SMIC, and a K&N drop in right now. The other pieces are being shipped.

[Wbriggs19061]

yea i think mine is running better now..but i dont think the afc is on. my power wire fuse blew and i think my afc is hooked up to the same wire as the gauges and turbo timer..so they all dont work. saturday im gonna be installing the rest of my parts and rewiring all the gauges and shit. hopefully my old ass laptop will run the R4software, my other laptop broke still waiting for it to come back from best buy.

[Knox Joe]

I still haven't gotten into the software yet.

[Wbriggs19061]

its a pain to get used to but after playing around with it. it works good. ive just been so busy building my truck i havent touched the msp.

[Knox Joe]

Okay, I'm really considering the J&S, so I don't go blowing my motor.

But I also want the ProtegeGarage transmission upgrade kit.

I can't decide.

[Knox Joe]

My GF decided for me. We bought the J&S, so I don't blow my wad.

[mspHtown]

u know that the J and S doesnt control timing right? its a safegaurd. you really should think about something that can control A/F and timing.

[Knox Joe]

I read this and thought it did;


The J&S Safeguard is the only knock protection that counts. No other knock prevention system comes even remotely close in quality and power. With individual cylinder retard and re-advancement, knock window focus, MAF limiting, O2 Clamping, and simply the most accurate and advanced knock detection algorithms this is the best insurance you can buy for your motors

[Knox Joe]

BTW how do you like the Profec B?

I was thinking of buying one just to make sure I don't go over 10lbs.

[mspHtown]

I read this and thought it did;


The J&S Safeguard is the only knock protection that counts. No other knock prevention system comes even remotely close in quality and power. With individual cylinder retard and re-advancement, knock window focus, MAF limiting, O2 Clamping, and simply the most accurate and advanced knock detection algorithms this is the best insurance you can buy for your motors


i am under the impression that when the J and S detects detonation, it will pull timing to keep the engine from blowing up. it is defintely not an engine management system. you cannot tune teh timing map with it.

[mspHtown]

BTW how do you like the Profec B?

I was thinking of buying one just to make sure I don't go over 10lbs.


hmm, i cant seem to get it set up just right. ive had it for awhile but i just gave up. many people get it to where spike is under a pound and it holds whatever boost they want. i know others have difficulties with it as well. i believe part of the problem is my mechanical boost gauge and greddy boost gauge are not dead on. makes tuning it a little difficult. if i could go back, i would have gotten one of the nice dual stage mbc's. its definintely a nice unit and i may just not be "tuning" it properly.

[Knox Joe]

I'm not going full out, I just want bolt-ons and didn't really think I wanted full ems.

After this, the transmission, MM, and oil pan I'm done. I'll tune the AFC conservativley at 10psi (guess I'll get a dual stage MBC) and be done. No boom. Fun, safe, reliable.


Oh, was the gain from the intake mani noticeable?

[mspHtown]

I'm not going full out, I just want bolt-ons and didn't really think I wanted full ems.

After this, the transmission, MM, and oil pan I'm done. I'll tune the AFC conservativley at 10psi (guess I'll get a dual stage MBC) and be done. No boom. Fun, safe, reliable.


dont get me wrong, quite a few people have gotten the ebc too work. im not one of them tho and i feel as if it is overkill for low boost application.

[richmond058]

My GF decided for me. We bought the J&S, so I don't blow my wad.


Great you can always "blow your wad" with her help anyway!

[msp35]

One thing that has me not wanting to get the J&S is that noone really blows this motor from detonation from less than 10psi with supporting mods. It simply seems to happen from more power than the rods can handle, or oil starvation, or some dipshit riding up-hill in 5th @ 2500rpm with 4 people in the car, WOT (BOOM)

[Knox Joe]

One thing that has me not wanting to get the J&S is that noone really blows this motor from detonation from less than 10psi with supporting mods. It simply seems to happen from more power than the rods can handle, or oil starvation, or some dipshit riding up-hill in 5th @ 2500rpm with 4 people in the car, WOT (BOOM)
I'm gonna run 10 psi on one stage, and 8 on the other, really just getting the J&S for 10psi and spikes. I may go to 12psi down the line after a few more mods.


Oh, BTW, I beat a modded WRX on 640 west last night. woot woot!!!!

[Knox Joe]

Another bonus coming up, so more money to get this project finalized.

I ended up taking the MBC off because I didn't like the spiking. now spking 9 holding 7.5-8 off the wastegate.

Just ordered some vacuum lines. So what's next?

I am thinking, intake, injectors, meth injection, NOS intercooler sprayer, fuel pump, and an oil pan.

Am I missing anything?

This set up should allow me to get some decent, reliable, and safe power with stock internals I would think.

[msp35]

You got them Motor Mounts yet?
My g/f just moved out so I normally have gobs of free
time woohoo!!!

[Knox Joe]

You got them Motor Mounts yet?
My g/f just moved out so I normally have gobs of free
time woohoo!!!
Got em installed when he did the clutch. Love em. The power transfer feels so much more connected.

[mspHtown]

u may wanna look into a ported and polished 626 manifold