Transmission Internal Picture thread

[Kooldino]

We need a good thread with lots of internal pics of the G series manual transmissions. It will make a good reference. Post what you have here. I'll start:

[Kooldino]

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[Dadkins]

Eewwww... shinney ! :) Better you guys than me digging in there.

[DiS]

oh no shit! Ha! Anatoly's boldy head!

[Kansei]

transmissions look scary inside.

mine probably looks scarier.. I should subscribe to this thread so when it craps out I can look at the pictures and then look at mine and be like "WTF it isn't the same anymore!!"

(pops out of 3rd gear every once in a while.. drove for 4 hours with barely any gear oil (about a shot glass worth) after a little bolt near the drain plug mysteriously vibrated out.. now it whines a little in 3rd and 5th gears and isn't easy to push from neutral into 1st, 1st into 2nd, or 4th into 5th).. yeah I'm pretty screwed.

free bump for you.

[low_psi]

Reserved for posting a few pictures I have.

[Kooldino]

Gear selector, etc

[Sveivo]

transmissions look scary inside.

mine probably looks scarier.. I should subscribe to this thread so when it craps out I can look at the pictures and then look at mine and be like "WTF it isn't the same anymore!!"

(pops out of 3rd gear every once in a while.. drove for 4 hours with barely any gear oil (about a shot glass worth) after a little bolt near the drain plug mysteriously vibrated out.. now it whines a little in 3rd and 5th gears and isn't easy to push from neutral into 1st, 1st into 2nd, or 4th into 5th).. yeah I'm pretty screwed.

free bump for you.
I feel your pain! Mine shifts terrible sometimes. Kind of takes away from the zoom zoom, you know?

[Kooldino]

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[Maxx Mazda]

Sweet. I'll take some when I pull my tranny apart this week. LSD time! :D

[Prodigy]

I'll have mine up in a few.

THANK YOU KOOLDINO!
I forgot to mention that I finished installing my Quaife as well as toss in a MSP diff into Rogue's P5.
The Quaife is awsome, I can't wait to compare my autox times to last years.


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[wicked]

damn,you had to remind me.
I have to take mine apart agian,second is starting to wine.

[Kooldino]

damn,you had to remind me.
I have to take mine apart agian,second is starting to wine.

What do you think the cause is? Lash?

[wicked]

What do you think the cause is? Lash?

most likely.

but it's going to be hard to tell since the case holds the other end of the shafts.

so I will probably open it,paint whe gears,put it back,and check the pattern.

[Little Beavis]

We need a good thread with lots of internal pics of the G series manual transmissions. It will make a good reference. Post what you have here. I'll start:

What that's all you got?!?!? Too bad I'm traveling on business all week. . .I have tons of pictures of the trans. . .having been brave enough to do the Quaife install long before there were any how-to's. . .simply put I couldn't have done it without pictures. I'll have to see what I can dig up once I get home (this weekend). Good thread idea though.

[Kooldino]

Since I posted this, i took tons more pics of the last trans I worked on, but I haven't gotten around to posting yet. I'll be sure to get them on soon though.

[Kooldino]

moar pix

[Kooldino]

Does anyone have pics of the 5th gear area in an 03+ trans?

[Prodigy]

I'll get you one tonight...


I have two 2003.5 MSP G15M-R's in my garage right now..
Did you want a "blown up" diagram or how it should rest?

[Kooldino]

I'll get you one tonight...


I have two 2003.5 MSP G15M-R's in my garage right now..
Perfect. I need them ASAP.

Did you want a "blown up" diagram or how it should rest?
Not quite sure what you're asking here, but assuming your'e asking me how I'd want the pics layed out, I'd want if you could:

-a pic of the 5th gear area with just the black pan removed
-several pics of the primary shaft/gears
-and if possible - remove everything from the primary shaft in the 5th gear area, and lay them out in a line in order of removal.

The reason I'm asking all of this is because I had a guy bring me an 03.5 MSP trans which was missing half of the parts, and I need to know what's missing as well as the exact order and orientation of the parts. Since it differs from the older style transmissions, the documents and diagrams I have don't show me the info I need.

If you can't do all of that, then just do the best you can.

I'd really appreciate it if you could do that for me. Thanks in advance.

[Maxx Mazda]

Why do you think the 03.5's are different? I've got a shit ton of pics of my tranny if you need.

[Prodigy]

Here's a preview of my "How-to : correctly rebuild a G15M-R"

http://photos-470.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v77/223/115/1114080054/n1114080054_30186470_1213.jpg

http://photos-471.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v77/223/115/1114080054/n1114080054_30186471_1409.jpg

http://photos-472.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v77/223/115/1114080054/n1114080054_30186472_1626.jpg


http://photos-473.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v77/223/115/1114080054/n1114080054_30186473_1830.jpg


http://photos-474.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v77/223/115/1114080054/n1114080054_30186474_2011.jpg

http://photos-475.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v77/223/115/1114080054/n1114080054_30186475_2198.jpg

http://photos-476.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v77/223/115/1114080054/n1114080054_30186476_2387.jpg

http://photos-477.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v77/223/115/1114080054/n1114080054_30186477_2569.jpg

http://photos-478.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v77/223/115/1114080054/n1114080054_30186478_2752.jpg


http://photos-479.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v77/223/115/1114080054/n1114080054_30186479_2942.jpg

http://photos-481.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v77/223/115/1114080054/n1114080054_30186481_3510.jpg

http://photos-482.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v77/223/115/1114080054/n1114080054_30186482_3705.jpg

http://photos-483.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v77/223/115/1114080054/n1114080054_30186483_3921.jpg



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http://photos-489.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v77/223/115/1114080054/n1114080054_30186489_4503.jpg

NOTE : there's one more cylinder piece that goes on the main shaft.
It appears to be identical to the older transmissions but it's not shown in the pic.

http://photos-490.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v77/223/115/1114080054/n1114080054_30186490_4800.jpg

http://photos-491.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v77/223/115/1114080054/n1114080054_30186491_5060.jpg

http://photos-492.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v77/223/115/1114080054/n1114080054_30186492_5326.jpg

http://photos-493.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v77/223/115/1114080054/n1114080054_30186493_5579.jpg

http://photos-494.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v77/223/115/1114080054/n1114080054_30186494_5844.jpg

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Hopefully that does the trick, let me know if there's anything I can do to help more.

[Little Beavis]

The reason I'm asking all of this is because I had a guy bring me an 03.5 MSP trans which was missing half of the parts, and I need to know what's missing as well as the exact order and orientation of the parts. Since it differs from the older style transmissions, the documents and diagrams I have don't show me the info I need.


Around mid-year 2002, they changed the 5th gear setup. It has about half the parts of the previous setup (such as in the MP3). I have some exploded views of it somewhere (I hope), but the new version is simpler and has fewer parts - but the actual gears are still the same.

[Prodigy]

The newer one is awesome.
It doesn't explode into a million pieces when you're trying to put it on the main shaft.

[Kooldino]

Yeah, I think 02.5 is when they switched it over. The new way is much more elegant, it's just a shame that they didn't update their diagrams to go with it (at least not at my dealer).

This is what I'm looking for though:

(do you have it in full res, btw...perhaps with better lighting?)




http://photos-491.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v77/223/115/1114080054/n1114080054_30186491_5060.jpg


This looks how I set up the one I'm working on. I guessed it would be set up like this, minus the fact that I flipped the outer collar on the right, so the angled side is facing down...but that's an easy enough fix. Also, that same collar on the right...that's the one with all of the inner "teeth", correct? I know there's a part in the trans that looks just like that (the 3rd gear collar?) but it's missing a few teeth. I had to order a LOT of parts for this transmission, so I just want to be sure that I didn't mix anything up.

It's hard to tell from the pics, but those two crescent shaped pieces have a flat side, and a side with a beveled edge. I put the beveled edge facing up. Is that how yours is?

Anyway, much thanks to you for the pics. I wouldn't have felt right closing this up without being sure. Should only take me a few mins to flip that collar over and finish the trans.

Also, free tip: since the 34mm shaft nut design sucks, red loctite the nuts on the end of the shafts before you torque the hell out of them with an impact gun. The first two times I rebuilt a trans, I didn't loctite them, and the nuts came loose over time, preventing me from getting into gear. Since then, I loctite them all, and it's been smooth sailing (knock on wood).

[Kooldino]

Why do you think the 03.5's are different? I've got a shit ton of pics of my tranny if you need.
They just are.

the black metal oil pan is different, the length of the shafts are different, and the whole 5th gear setup (minus the actual gears) is different. Check out the pics i posed earlier vs Prodigy's. The first time I rebuilt an MSP trans (2 summers ago), I was surpised to see the difference since I had just rebuilt my 01 mp3 trans the month before. The newer way is much more simple.

Lesson learned though - anytime you take something complex apart, take pics of each step as you do it. Unfortunately for me, I couldn't do that with the trans I have in hand, because the guy just brought me a box of parts and said "yeah, there's a bunch of stuff missing".

(hand)

[CustomMSP]

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=49003&d=1116991971

[DeadGeneration]

Interesting thread

[Maxx Mazda]

They just are.(hand)

Ya I see that now, crazy man. But for the 34mm nuts, I didn' loctite them, but I bent in the little tabs to lock them in place, as per the FSM. Are they different for the 03.5's?

[musiclikscreams]

subbin

[Kooldino]

Ya I see that now, crazy man. But for the 34mm nuts, I didn' loctite them, but I bent in the little tabs to lock them in place, as per the FSM. Are they different for the 03.5's?

The newer nuts that I got from the dealer don't have those tabs.

Either way, they should be loctited. If your car pops out of gear or refuses to go into gear, you'll know why.

[shane02pro5]

Sorry for the thread jack!!

Have you guys replaced gears and synchros? I have my old blown tranny that I brought to a shop to have them crack it apart to find the problem and when they told me it would be $1750 to rebuild it I just got a salvaged one for $500. This was over a year ago.

Anyway I have everything that was in pieces in several boxes
re-assembled back together minus one blown gear that wouldn't go back on the shaft. How hard is it to press the gears off the shaft to swap the gears and get to the synchros??

[Maxx Mazda]

The newer nuts that I got from the dealer don't have those tabs.

Either way, they should be loctited. If your car pops out of gear or refuses to go into gear, you'll know why.

No, they don't have the tabs already, you need to punch them in and it makes a tab... If they had them already, there's no way in hell that you could get them lined up perfectly to push the tabs in.

Just impact the nut down, then take a chisel or I used a punch and punch the tabs in.

[Kooldino]

Sorry for the thread jack!!

Have you guys replaced gears and synchros? I have my old blown tranny that I brought to a shop to have them crack it apart to find the problem and when they told me it would be $1750 to rebuild it I just got a salvaged one for $500. This was over a year ago.

Anyway I have everything that was in pieces in several boxes
re-assembled back together minus one blown gear that wouldn't go back on the shaft. How hard is it to press the gears off the shaft to swap the gears and get to the synchros??

It's kind of a pain, but not the end of the world.

[Shift2xlr8]

Who all in there has had issues with 3rd gear not wanting to go into gear? Sometimes it will go in just fine and other times it will grind or clunk real hard as I shift it in like you can hear the gears clunking. The tranny is fine other than 3rd gear...what can I do to get rid of this issue?

Chris

[musiclikscreams]

Who all in there has had issues with 3rd gear not wanting to go into gear? Sometimes it will go in just fine and other times it will grind or clunk real hard as I shift it in like you can hear the gears clunking. The tranny is fine other than 3rd gear...what can I do to get rid of this issue?

Chris
i got that problem too. in fact, a lotta ppl have it. it pretty much means u have a crapped sycro. i have numerous problems w/ my tranny. i just chose to deal w/ it until the whole thing just craps out on me and then get a rebuilt on or something

[Shift2xlr8]

How much is a rebuild kit for these trannys? And is it less hassle to just fine a different tranny?

Chris

[shane02pro5]

If your not going with an LSD just do a salvaged tranny for like $500-800. I think the rebuild kit is under $400. I was quoted a rebuild of $1750 over a year ago but found a used one for $509 shipped to me with 28k on it. I had an old version in my 02 P5 assembled in 02/02. I think all the revised parts are in there after 03/02. Revised shift fork and synchros.

[Maxx Mazda]

Who all in there has had issues with 3rd gear not wanting to go into gear? Sometimes it will go in just fine and other times it will grind or clunk real hard as I shift it in like you can hear the gears clunking. The tranny is fine other than 3rd gear...what can I do to get rid of this issue?

Chris

Went to the revised synchros and totally fixed the problem for me.

[Shift2xlr8]

How much does the revised synchros cost? I may just go with those and the LSD from the MSP. The car is getting a FS-ZE from Japan, so I want the tranny to hold up to some decent power but without the issue of 3rd gear, and the "one wheel peel" Thanks for the info though guys!

Chris

[wicked]

How much does the revised synchros cost? I may just go with those and the LSD from the MSP. The car is getting a FS-ZE from Japan, so I want the tranny to hold up to some decent power but without the issue of 3rd gear, and the "one wheel peel" Thanks for the info though guys!

Chris

just going to the FS-ZE you won't be pushing the trans that much,but the LSD...yeah,I def advise.

[Shift2xlr8]

I planned on shooting for 250hp out of the FS ZE...will the stock trans with a LSD put in it handle that amount of HP?

Chris

[shane02pro5]

Bump for anyone popping out of 5th after rebuild! Maybe the synchro was not properly lined up with the gear? My buddy took the 5th/reverse gearing apart and said he put it back just the way it was and it was the only part I didn't double check.

[shane02pro5]

I'm assuming the 5th gear synchro was just not aligned when I torqued the nut down after looking at my old blown tranny parts. Still not sure on the orientation of the 5th/reverse selector. I would imagine the beefier part would be down with the chamfered edge for strength on the lead into 5th.

[Maxx Mazda]

Did you bend in the tabs on the lock nuts?

[shane02pro5]

The gear selector ring was in backwards.

[ItsSlow]

Heres the thread where I took mine apart and fixed it..

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123667973

[Nightmare]

Where can i get one of these?

lsd snaped yesterday, tore it apart, and foung this to be broken, but the rest of it is in good shape, considering.

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4342/1406071200ff2.jpg

[shane02pro5]

Can't tell what that is...the bearing seat?

[Maxx Mazda]

Dude WTF @ rounded off gear!

[Nightmare]

umm, sec..

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9079/1406071201bi9.jpg

it sits on this part, that sits inside the ring gear, shown here as an assembly..


http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5062/1406071207ux4.jpg

[Maxx Mazda]

The LSD is listed by Mazda as not serviceable. You need a whole new one.

[Nightmare]

if i could get the part, it would be serviceable.. only cause its broken now lol

I wonder if i contacted the lsd maker, if they might have this part..

[Maxx Mazda]

Is that the original LSD or the revised one?

[Maxx Mazda]

Just buy a new LSD. They're only like $600... Gotta pay to play.

[Nightmare]

Though that statment rings true, what is the harm in exhausting options before shelling out what could be a better spent $600? I'm one possibly broken part from having a perfectly capable LSD. People have welded them back together before, there is no reason why i cannot do the same procedure, assuming it is at all do-able. Hence why i posted the questions here, in hopes of an alternative. If i wanted to listen "just go spend over half a grand on a new part that Will break again shortly" i would have asked someone who has a fat wallet and absolutly no idea on how these work.

Probe transmission goes in tomorrow, so i have time to play.


And as far as i know, my LSD is pre revision. I'm not terribly suprised it broke.

[Kooldino]

I have a junked LSD I can look at to see if it has that part.


Although clearer pics would help.

[Maxx Mazda]

And as far as i know, my LSD is pre revision. I'm not terribly suprised it broke.

A quick look can tell you. If you can see springs inside the LSD, it's the old one. Gears only, the new one.

[Nightmare]

I have a junked LSD I can look at to see if it has that part.


Although clearer pics would help.



That would be mint man, if its in one peice ill buy it off you :D

[Nightmare]

A quick look can tell you. If you can see springs inside the LSD, it's the old one. Gears only, the new one.


i see gears only.. must be revised version.

thanks for the tip ;)

[Nightmare]

these are the best pics i can take with my camera :(

I hope they help more. Also, i can take all kinds of photos of my transmission, seeming as it cant go anywhere for a while lol..


http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4201/1606070819gl0.th.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1606070819gl0.jpg)

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/3051/1606070820xk4.th.jpg (http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1606070820xk4.jpg)

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/3660/1606070822mq0.th.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1606070822mq0.jpg)

[Prodigy]

That's the same way that Velocifero's diff sheared.

[Kooldino]

@Nightmare - yeah, take tons off pics of odd things in the trans that isn't yet posted here.

[Kooldino]

these are the best pics i can take with my camera :(

I hope they help more. Also, i can take all kinds of photos of my transmission, seeming as it cant go anywhere for a while lol..


http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4201/1606070819gl0.th.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1606070819gl0.jpg)

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/3051/1606070820xk4.th.jpg (http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1606070820xk4.jpg)

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/3660/1606070822mq0.th.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1606070822mq0.jpg)

404 - That thing not found.

[Nightmare]

Shit.

[Nightmare]

oki I can be saved!

Anyone with a broken LSD has at least one of these, and here, i present the anatomy of the msp lsd.

First, remove this drift pin, holding the center shaft:

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/2562/2106071042so3.th.jpg (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2106071042so3.jpg)

Second, Pull the shaft out of the center section like so, please try not to interchange the initial location of the gears that are by the shaft, though im not certain this will not make any differance, im sure its just as well to put things back together just as they were in the first place.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/6392/2106071041px2.th.jpg (http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2106071041px2.jpg)

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2273/2106071043ad8.th.jpg (http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2106071043ad8.jpg)

You should look something like this:

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1183/2106071044xp5.th.jpg (http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2106071044xp5.jpg)

Look down into the cavity, and retrive this peice:

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/848/2106071045yq7.th.jpg (http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2106071045yq7.jpg)

under this peice, is the peice I need, the friction ring:
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/1718/2106071046cf4.th.jpg (http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2106071046cf4.jpg)

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5507/2106071047cw6.th.jpg (http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2106071047cw6.jpg)

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/9688/2106071048ku7.th.jpg (http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2106071048ku7.jpg)


EDIT: I forgot to mention, Each LSD has two of these friction rings, one in either end of the diff.

[Nightmare]

who wants to be my best buddy and sell me one off thier junked lsd? o.o

[Maxx Mazda]

Dude man, buy a new one. You can't fix it, it will break again...