MS6 / CX7 / MS3 Top Mount Intercooler Upgrade

[Captain KRM P5]

Hot on the heels of our FMIC upgrade for the Mazdaspeed6 comes our TMIC solution for the entire DISI turbo engine lineup. We have developed in partnership with Anatoly (CustomMSP) a complete replacement TMIC featuring a thicker, larger, bar and plate core with custom endtanks and an all aluminum design. The intercooler also incorporates a custom fabricated air diversion plate to increase air flow to an already enhanced design. Final production pieces and dyno numbers are scheduled this week with a final price expected to be less than half that of any FMIC kit to date. Based on our experiences with past SMIC upgrades on past vehicles, we expect great gains from this unit even on stock boost.

** BUMP UPDATE - DYNO GRAPHS POSTED: 20 WHP GAIN / 20 LB TORQUE GAIN!! **

[freekwonder]

kick ass. the price sounds like it will be good, just can't wait for installed pics and dynos. I'll be happy with an upgraded tmic, don't plan to push enough power to need a fmic, plus I don't need one to show off my car. :) (just playin)

[got_titan]

cant wait for installed pics and dyno numbers.....

[jrodhotrod]

(mswerd)

This is what I have been waiting for. Can't wait to see the numbers on it. Will you also be recording intake air temps under various conditions on the stock and new TMIC?

Can you give us some specifics on the core?

[ms64meplease]

i just feel the fmic is just a better way because during auto-x i lost near 1 sec. on each lap out of 4 the first 2 the car was cold very little difference the next set was the difference each lap near 1min. mark granted its stock tmic. i do have 3" turbo back and cai that helps drop the egts big time the desighn will produce higher numbers im sure but the heat soak will kill you in the end.

im not saying by no way am i the best driver but when i dont run 4 laps in a row "normally we shut down after each lap" my times got worse when its just the 1 lap shut down for 20min. then go again my times were very close together like seconds not no minute without making a noticable mistake. correct me if im wrong but i would love to see 6 dyno runs back to back compared to the fmic just for the difference in what it would do for auto-x

[Black_Protege_5]

But isn't the fmic still better over this for cooling reasons? I know it is larger but it will still heatsoak.

[CitizenPro]

Sweet (thumb) may be helping the wifey get a CX-7....went and test drove yesterday. This could be an easy and subtle upgrade if she purchases :D

[CustomMSP]

(mswerd)

This is what I have been waiting for. Can't wait to see the numbers on it. Will you also be recording intake air temps under various conditions on the stock and new TMIC?

Can you give us some specifics on the core?
What would you like to know about the core?

Dimensions are: 14 x 12 x 3-3.5"
Bar count: 16
Pressure drop: ~.8psi @ ~370hp

[CustomMSP]

i just feel the fmic is just a better way because during auto-x i lost near 1 sec. on each lap out of 4 the first 2 the car was cold very little difference the next set was the difference each lap near 1min. mark granted its stock tmic. i do have 3" turbo back and cai that helps drop the egts big time the desighn will produce higher numbers im sure but the heat soak will kill you in the end.

im not saying by no way am i the best driver but when i dont run 4 laps in a row "normally we shut down after each lap" my times got worse when its just the 1 lap shut down for 20min. then go again my times were very close together like seconds not no minute without making a noticable mistake. correct me if im wrong but i would love to see 6 dyno runs back to back compared to the fmic just for the difference in what it would do for auto-x
If you have the time read through this thread as it explains a lot on this topic:

http://forum.m a z d a 6 c l u b . c o m/index.php?showtopic=61617 (http://forum.***************/index.php?showtopic=61617)

Just remove the spaces

[Rawyzf]

Nice!

[CustomMSP]

Nice!

Yes sir :)

[Brian MP5T]

That looks like yet another Ultra Upgrade.

You are keeping Mazdas Modified..

Do you offer FMIC made to spec?

I'm wanting a custom FMIC. Double Pass..

[CustomMSP]

That looks like yet another Ultra Upgrade.

You are keeping Mazdas Modified..

Do you offer FMIC made to spec?

I'm wanting a custom FMIC. Double Pass..

I'm not sure if you were asking me or Ken, but I can provide you with any custom FMIC. Just let me know what you have in mind.

Thanks.

[ms64meplease]

wow no wonder why your telling me to go look at another forum post... you dont know what hes talkin about you put fins in the end tank to make the air go thru the ic 2 times before it hits the intake...wow need me to post a page for you so you can read up on 2 pass ic?

in my post above i just dont want people to buy this because there 1st lap is great then after that its all down hill if you dont understand that you guys are great!

[Captain KRM P5]

i would like to keep this thread civil, and informative, please

[Speed6 Guy]

this is a nice deal.


http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m297/speed6guy/Attachments/untitled.jpg

[ms64meplease]

i would like to keep this thread civil, and informative, please
im trying to keep it informative! by saying the fmic will generate more hp the longer the run is. the tmic is great and im sure will help by a huge % but compared to yourfmic i dont think it has a chance when it comes to auto-x thats all some just might not understand that and have never owned a rx-7 tll

[Black_Protege_5]

Well this would be good for those who aren't into auto-x but want that extra something without the expense of a front mount. It looks great IMO and will be worth it for the cost. All I know is that I will be getting his FMIC for mine.

[CustomMSP]

Well this would be good for those who aren't into auto-x but want that extra something without the expense of a front mount. It looks great IMO and will be worth it for the cost. All I know is that I will be getting his FMIC for mine.
I can understand why people might make that assumption, but we really can't say that without any facts. Until somebody actually tries this or any other aftermarket TMIC in an auto-x situation, or any other assumed situtation for that matter, it's all up in the air. I'm just annoyed at the fact that people keep on making those assumptions which then somehow turn into facts that people start to base their modding decisions of off. And please do not think that I'm saying all this just to get you to buy a TMIC instead of a FMIC.

Thanks.

[Black_Protege_5]

I am not. I see this as a worthy upgrade. How can we get better efficient cooling to it? Mazda's scoop design is not really efficient unless you are are acutally moving. But I am curious to see real world dyno #'s.

[CustomMSP]

I am not. I see this as a worthy upgrade. How can we get better efficient cooling to it? Mazda's scoop design is not really efficient unless you are are acutally moving. But I am curious to see real world dyno #'s.

Dyno numbers should be posted on this weekend!

[Rainman]

Looks like it will be another great product. This will make it harder to decide about the FMIC. I'll base my decision on the performance data and the cost of the two products, but my gut feeling is that I will be picking up an FMIC kit for the MS6 at the very least.

R

[ms64meplease]

i would just like to see 6 runs in a row that would give you the idea in a auto-x situation where 1 your not really at high speeds 2 it takes awhile to get around the track depending on size some here are huge courses where there could be 4 people on the track at the same time and not even see eahother heres a smaller one thats local here i dont drive the car very easy
http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n214/ms64dwife/?action=view&current=MVI_1273.flv thats just why i want the numbers of fmic and tmic would love the egts as well but i dont know if you guys will go that far.

[ms64meplease]

btw the camera man sucks...lol

[Captain KRM P5]

im trying to keep it informative! by saying the fmic will generate more hp the longer the run is. the tmic is great and im sure will help by a huge % but compared to yourfmic i dont think it has a chance when it comes to auto-x thats all some just might not understand that and have never owned a rx-7 tll

i understand and value that, but lets keep it informative without bashing someone. i know what you mean with the comparison to the T2 having owned a few rx7s.

i think both the TMIC and FMIC replacements will have drawbacks and merits of thier own and should be viewed accordingly, hence why i wanted to have both developed.

[Refonbass]

any idea as to the power gains that will be seen with this TMIC? I'd love to upgrade the stock piece on my MS3, but don't really want to go the FMIC route. Thanks.

[CustomMSP]

any idea as to the power gains that will be seen with this TMIC? I'd love to upgrade the stock piece on my MS3, but don't really want to go the FMIC route. Thanks.

Dyno numbers should be available this weekend.

[freekwonder]

Dyno numbers should be available this weekend.

(bang) must....be....patient.....for.......weekend....... ...ugh..I can't wait. :) Looking forward to seeing the numbers.

[chowhoundMSP]

Subbing for dyno results.

[buit9110]

i wish i had the remote control from click so i can fast forward to the weekend!!!

[CustomMSP]

i wish i had the remote control from click so i can fast forward to the weekend!!!

Wouldn't that be nice!

[Captain KRM P5]

pricing posted on the website, dyno numbers this weekend

[freekwonder]

sweet. nice price. So its only the intercooler. All the stock hoses and everything will plug in? Can't wait to see the dyno numbers.

[Captain KRM P5]

sweet. nice price. So its only the intercooler. All the stock hoses and everything will plug in? Can't wait to see the dyno numbers.

everything will plug right in

[Singla]

btw the camera man sucks...lol

ms64meplease...

You know what guy, first of all, learn to use some punctuation you stupid gorilla, try reading what you are typing, you sound like a retard.

Second, you don't need to be worried about getting more power out of your car because, thanks to your video, everyone on this thread can see that you can't handle what it's already producing.

You are a big dumb monkey, whether its with a keyboard, with your opinions, or with a steering wheel.

Learn to use finesse you stupid clown.

[ms64meplease]

funny you reject i got 1st the 1st time out and 3rd the second time shows what you know thanks for the advice you monkeys ass! i do appreciate you sounding like and ass though now go fuck yourself! have a nice day now

this is about the tmic thread not a bash on anybody thread i suggest you keep you feeling to yourself before you know the facts heres the results... now who cant drive

besides what are you a midddle age english teacher going through a mid life crisis? nobody asked you for a dumb opinion


1T ds 7 Jason Smith Mazdaspeed 6 53.394 - -
2Tm csp 23 Matt Weaver 01 Toyota MR2 Spyder 53.624 0.230 0.230
3T hs 9 Jason Beddeson 1999 Dodge Dakota R/T 54.233 0.609 0.839
4T dsp 5 Christopher Clouse SVT Focus 54.902 0.669 1.508
5 es 7 Toby Marten Miata 56.316 1.414 2.922
6 m gs 123 Jeremy DePoe Nissan 240 57.061 0.745 3.667
7 em 45 Ken Wheeler 73 Datsun 240z 57.350 0.289 3.956
8 esp 14 Ole Root 2006 Ford Mustang GT 57.360 0.010 3.966
9 sm 13 Oscar Guerrero 91 Honda CRX 58.026 0.666 4.632
10 dsp 03 Tyler Rush 86 Toyota Corolla-H 58.186 0.160 4.792
11 sm2 72 Derek Kasparek Honda CRX 58.463 0.277 5.069
12 dsp 14 Daniel Harrow 93 Integra 58.936 0.473 5.542
13 as 6 Michel Jackson Honda S2000 60.953 2.017 7.559

[Captain KRM P5]

as i said once before, keep it civil and keep it on track

[CustomMSP]

Guys very good news!!

I installed the prototype TMIC on a MS6 tonight and let me tell you the difference is very noticeable. It is a straight forward swap, nothing else was needed. The IC was ICE cold to the touch after a good bit of driving! Boost lever was anywhere between 15-17psi, peaking at ~17psi at the mid range in the higher gears. The car seemed to pull all the way to redline. Once we hit the dyno we'll find out the gains for sure.

I've asked the owner of the car to write a technical review, and he should have it made up by tomorrow.

Thanks,
Anatoly.

[ms64meplease]

as i said once before, keep it civil and keep it on track
i wasnt trying to provoke crap but i will not sit here and be personally attacked by anyone on here.

i feel you guys make a great looking product thats a fact i would buy one of your products if i am happy with the results no matter a tmic or fmic im being patient with the results and cant wait to hear how it turns out

but i did make someone look like an ass with track resuts huh?(first)

will you be getting egt, air temps before and after ic? and how many runs back to back do you plan on running? i would love to see the difference in the 2 ic's i can get you egts off the stock ic with 3" turbo back not a problem i have a innovate with the aux. box and can hook it up in seconds i have done it once but never saved it or any thing and can't remember off the top of my head how much it cooler it from stock. but if you guys would like i can get it

[CustomMSP]

i wasnt trying to provoke crap but i will not sit here and be personally attacked by anyone on here.

i feel you guys make a great looking product thats a fact i would buy one of your products if i am happy with the results no matter a tmic or fmic im being patient with the results and cant wait to hear how it turns out

but i did make someone look like an ass with track resuts huh?(first)

will you be getting egt, air temps before and after ic? and how many runs back to back do you plan on running? i would love to see the difference in the 2 ic's i can get you egts off the stock ic with 3" turbo back not a problem i have a innovate with the aux. box and can hook it up in seconds i have done it once but never saved it or any thing and can't remember off the top of my head how much it cooler it from stock. but if you guys would like i can get it

Unfortunately, we do not have access to scan tools that will specifically read the CAN system of the MS6. Bottom line though, our TMIC works well. I'm not denying the fact that there's a possibility of it heatsoaking at one point or another, but that possibility is much smaller than it would be with the stock TMIC. However, during the 15mins of test driving we did, the IC was actually ICE cold after we popped the hood. By no means where these runs light :) The hood scoop was super hot on the other hand, letting us know that the IC is doing it's job very well. Maybe you would become interested in our TMIC at one point or another and will be able to run some tests with your hardware.

Thanks,
Anatoly

[ms64meplease]

where are you guys located? i do alot of traveling so maybe thats not out of the question i go to ca. alot going again thanksgiving and have gone to nd, mn, etc... i wouldnt mind testing anything, i own my own business so i know how it is i weld all day everyday so i would inspect those things like they were my own or any of my employees.

i would agree 100% that it will help bigger bars than stock by 100% also that should be great im interested all ready i just gotta wait to see the dyno on the fmic and the tmic i would let you know and no bs i wouldnt buy the fmic but fab it my self. but the tmic would be a deffinate buy

[CustomMSP]

where are you guys located? i do alot of traveling so maybe thats not out of the question i go to ca. alot going again thanksgiving and have gone to nd, mn, etc... i wouldnt mind testing anything, i own my own business so i know how it is i weld all day everyday so i would inspect those things like they were my own or any of my employees.

i would agree 100% that it will help bigger bars than stock by 100% also that should be great im interested all ready i just gotta wait to see the dyno on the fmic and the tmic i would let you know and no bs i wouldnt buy the fmic but fab it my self. but the tmic would be a deffinate buy
We're all over the place ;) Every IC is inspected and pressure tested to 35PSI before they leave, so that is all taken care of.

Thanks,
Anatoly

[Refonbass]

looks awesome! can't wait to see some numbers.
A couple things. I'm assuming the stock plastic cover will not re-install on your intercooler? Will this definitely fit the MS3, I know the engine is the same but the hood and engine bay layouts are slightly different. And lastly how easy of a job is the swapping of the intercoolers?
thanks very much in advance.

[CustomMSP]

looks awesome! can't wait to see some numbers.
A couple things. I'm assuming the stock plastic cover will not re-install on your intercooler? Will this definitely fit the MS3, I know the engine is the same but the hood and engine bay layouts are slightly different. And lastly how easy of a job is the swapping of the intercoolers?
thanks very much in advance.

We're in the process of locating a MS3 to test fit our TMIC just to be 100% sure.

It took me 20 mins to swap the ICs out. It's fairly simple to do, just need to be careful of not dropping anything in the overcrowded engine bay lol, otherwise you'll spend over 30mins trying to get it out.

Thanks,
Anatoly

[Rainman]

We're in the process of locating a MS3 to test fit our TMIC just to be 100% sure.

It took me 20 mins to swap the ICs out. It's fairly simple to do, just need to be careful of not dropping anything in the overcrowded engine bay lol, otherwise you'll spend over 30mins trying to get it out.

Thanks,
Anatoly


If you were local, I would offer my MS3 up for test fitting.

R

[ms64meplease]

We're in the process of locating a MS3 to test fit our TMIC just to be 100% sure.

It took me 20 mins to swap the ICs out. It's fairly simple to do, just need to be careful of not dropping anything in the overcrowded engine bay lol, otherwise you'll spend over 30mins trying to get it out.

Thanks,
Anatoly
part numbers are the same at the dealers so it should go down no problem

[CustomMSP]

part numbers are the same at the dealers so it should go down no problem

That's very good to know, how about the shroud/IC cover?

[CustomMSP]

If you were local, I would offer my MS3 up for test fitting.

R

That would be nice.

Anatoly

[CustomMSP]

QUOTE(Wiggum @ Nov 4 2006, 08:21 PM)

Put it on an insanely hot motor and see how fast it can transfer heat???

Seriously here.... go drive the car hard, get out and touch the IC... it will be amient... wait 10 minutes and touch it, see how it feels???

Heat transfer is fast enough that they can bolt on the IC, crank the car, drive it onto the dyno wheels, and its long enough to make the IC too hot to touch....

Look, I understand that you're skeptical and really can't do much about that. The bottom line though, these numbers are 100% valid. I did notice that the stock TMIC already started heatsoaking even before we did a pull, and I specifically made it a point to cool it off with a powerful fan blowing right infront of it after I finished swapping it back in before we started the runs. I understand that what I wrote above may sound like something a potential customer would want to hear, but it's the truth. All the facts are there to support the claimed HP/TQ gains. The IC is much larger, flows more and cools better.

Here are the dyno graphs. The first graph is a comparison between the FIRST pulls of each IC and the second graph is a comparison between the SECOND pulls of each IC. Please notice the "under the curve" gains not just the peak #s!! Those numbers are even higher than the peak, claimed numbers. Also notice how pig rich the stock map is! With a free flowing exhaust, an intake and an upgraded IC this engine has the potential to make over 50whp because naturally the a/f map should lean out as the flow increases, even at the stock boost level! As can be seen in these graphs, the A/F did lean out a little with our TMIC, which is a good thing.


QUOTE(MAZDASPEED619 @ Nov 4 2006, 08:26 PM)
other than the upgraded TMIC was this dyno session done on a stock speed6 or did it have other mods done to it? just wondering... thanks


This car was bone stock.

Thanks.


QUOTE(fgraziano @ Nov 4 2006, 08:31 PM)

yeah, we're just speculating until we know the details of the test session. for all we know they left the car on the dyno fans blazing while they swapped out the IC, that would make for a cool motor before during and after. we just dont know. I'm going to bet though just by using a superior core and optimized endtanks this kit will make power. Also, this is the same manufacturer who made that innovative FMIC kit with the custom intake pipe/maf mount. He seems to be on top of the game.

Both runs were performed under the exact same conditions;

The ICs were cooled off with a fan for 10mins at the beginning of each session (not each individual run)
The pulls for each session were done back to back.
The fans were blowing from the start of the session to the end of the session.
Both runs were done in 4th Gear.

That's it.

[Captain KRM P5]

for those that cannot get the link to work; see attached graph 20WHP and 20LB/FT of Torque Gained Over Stock!

[buit9110]

wow!

[Antoine]

CustomMSP...Show some respect and appreciation to the Mazda Forums community...I'm sure you can take a little extra time to post information for your customers instead of linking them to another site...Thanks.

I've replaced your post with what you posted on the other site...Do me a favor and take the time to provide the proper information ON Mazda Forums.

Back on topic!

[CustomMSP]

CustomMSP...Show some respect and appreciation to the Mazda Forums community...I'm sure you can take a little extra time to post information for your customers instead of linking them to another site...Thanks.

I've replaced your post with what you posted on the other site...Do me a favor and take the time to provide the proper information ON Mazda Forums.

Back on topic!

Hey,

I did not mean to disrespect you or the members of this forum. The reason why I posted a link is because a lot of questions that the users here might have are already covered in that whole thread.

Thanks,
Anatoly

[Rawyzf]

Those stock HP numbers look low? Only 209?

[Captain KRM P5]

Those stock HP numbers look low? Only 209?

all wheel drive cars typically dyno lower in my experience to the wheels versus two wheel drive cars - the torque numbers are still up there, however

[Rawyzf]

all wheel drive cars typically dyno lower in my experience to the wheels versus two wheel drive cars - the torque numbers are still up there, however

From the other dyno's I have seen, the torque numbers are pretty accurate. But the hp is usually in the 230 range.

[Refonbass]

hey, any numbers on the 3" version yet?

[CustomMSP]

Unfortunately we weren't able to make it to the dyno yet. We scheduled a time this upcoming saturday.

[Klip]

So Mazda's claim of 274 hp (stock) is BS/marketing hype or just measured using a different method? All this is really depressing me if it's true, seeing these much lower HP numbers............

[jcgemt2003]

I have seen numerous dynos with stock numbers anywhere from 220-230whp....Never have I seen or heard of one that low....209whp....that seems pretty fkn low guys....So If I buy this Top Mount and I dont see 20whp gains than you will refund my money right? I will glady dyno my care with the before and after.

[Captain KRM P5]

So Mazda's claim of 274 hp (stock) is BS/marketing hype or just measured using a different method? All this is really depressing me if it's true, seeing these much lower HP numbers............

all manufacturers make claims of crank horsepower. dynos read the horsepower being made at the wheels, where parasitic drivetrain loss has already occured. for example, a mazdaspeed protege is claimed to make 170hp stock, yet on the dyno you'll see numbers between 140 and 160 depending on the car and the dyno, which brings me to...


I have seen numerous dynos with stock numbers anywhere from 220-230whp....Never have I seen or heard of one that low....209whp....that seems pretty fkn low guys....So If I buy this Top Mount and I dont see 20whp gains than you will refund my money right? I will glady dyno my care with the before and after.

something needs to be stressed greatly here; every dyno is different and every vehicle is different. there were mazdaspeed proteges that rolled off the line pushing 4psi stock, some pushing 9psi stock. there are plenty of variables that easily could throw off any dyno run on any car. i don't think anyone has addressed the fact that, even though this car is not full time AWD, it must be dynoed on an AWD dyno.

what is important here is that on our test car, proven gains were made from what that car dynoed stock. regardless of what the number is, that dyno shows a measure of consistency that will carry over.

if you buy this TMIC and are for whatever reason not happy with the result and you return it to me in good shape, i will personally refund your money.

[Rainman]

Rather than absolutes, people should concentrate on the relative change. Anyone can argue all day about which type of dyno is better, or about testing procedures etc., but all things being equal it is the relative change between successive dynos that really matters. That is why it is important to dyno before and after each mod to see that it does what it is purported to do.

R

[Klip]

Thanks for clearing that up for me Captain KRM. I was just curious as to why there seems to be such a variance from car to car and your explaination enlightened me.
I believe my concerns stemmed from an earlier/diff post about 'Lack Of Power' and the fix (flashing the bios of the ECU). I think it was a Mazda recall fix. Anyway, from the responses on that post and me finding out from my dealer's service rep that mine has not been updated with the 'newer bios fix' plus the varying results posted on this forum by owners that have had the fix installed, I will be taking a wait an see approach. (ughdance)
I believe I was instructed to have a boost gauge installed so that I could more accurately measure what my turbo was doing. Also, to check for a drop off in power after 4500 rpm possibly being an indication that my car might need the ECU flash fix......... again waiting to see here.

I appreciate all you 'Motorheads' input and am really enjoying this site. It's been really fun so far, can't wait to get home from work to login an check the site.:)

[jcgemt2003]

all manufacturers make claims of crank horsepower. dynos read the horsepower being made at the wheels, where parasitic drivetrain loss has already occured. for example, a mazdaspeed protege is claimed to make 170hp stock, yet on the dyno you'll see numbers between 140 and 160 depending on the car and the dyno, which brings me to...



something needs to be stressed greatly here; every dyno is different and every vehicle is different. there were mazdaspeed proteges that rolled off the line pushing 4psi stock, some pushing 9psi stock. there are plenty of variables that easily could throw off any dyno run on any car. i don't think anyone has addressed the fact that, even though this car is not full time AWD, it must be dynoed on an AWD dyno.

what is important here is that on our test car, proven gains were made from what that car dynoed stock. regardless of what the number is, that dyno shows a measure of consistency that will carry over.

if you buy this TMIC and are for whatever reason not happy with the result and you return it to me in good shape, i will personally refund your money.
Thank you for the quick response....I can appreciate and understand what you said...Im just a little sketchy because this is my tuner car and dont want to get the shaft.....Im also not very familiar with a whole lota vendors but after doing some research and reading other threads and I have found that you seem to be one of the best.....So I will be ordering this product from you....but not yet...In about one month......The winter season is upon us and I have choosen to park the car for the snow falling months. I will install it as soon as I get it but the odds are pretty good that Im not gonna dyno it till spring....Im sure that everyone here is familiar with AMS....there shop is outside of Chicago and they are the only one near me with an allwheel drive dyno..... anpparently the folks over at CPE are working on some sort of piggy back plug and play system for the Speed6 and they are pushing for release I beleive sometime in the spring.

[helperhelp]

Hot on the heels of our FMIC upgrade for the Mazdaspeed6 comes our TMIC solution for the entire DISI turbo engine lineup. We have developed in partnership with Anatoly (CustomMSP) a complete replacement TMIC featuring a thicker, larger, bar and plate core with custom endtanks and an all aluminum design. The intercooler also incorporates a custom fabricated air diversion plate to increase air flow to an already enhanced design. Final production pieces and dyno numbers are scheduled this week with a final price expected to be less than half that of any FMIC kit to date. Based on our experiences with past SMIC upgrades on past vehicles, we expect great gains from this unit even on stock boost.

** BUMP UPDATE - DYNO GRAPHS POSTED: 20 WHP GAIN / 20 LB TORQUE GAIN!! **


Is this the same intercooler that is made by ETS that other vendors are carrying? It would be a pretty foolish move to continue referring to this TMIC as "our" if this is the case. It looks extremely similar to the pictures of the ETS TMIC that I have seen elsewhere. I don't think ETS would appreciate you labeling this TMIC as your own. If it is not could you inform me of the differences that this intercooler has compared the the TMIC made my ETS. Thanks.

[CustomMSP]

Is this the same intercooler that is made by ETS that other vendors are carrying? It would be a pretty foolish move to continue referring to this TMIC as "our" if this is the case. It looks extremely similar to the pictures of the ETS TMIC that I have seen elsewhere. I don't think ETS would appreciate you labeling this TMIC as your own. If it is not could you inform me of the differences that this intercooler has compared the the TMIC made my ETS. Thanks.

This TMIC is labeled as ETS on ProtegeGarage.com, where it is being sold.

[Captain KRM P5]

Is this the same intercooler that is made by ETS that other vendors are carrying? It would be a pretty foolish move to continue referring to this TMIC as "our" if this is the case. It looks extremely similar to the pictures of the ETS TMIC that I have seen elsewhere. I don't think ETS would appreciate you labeling this TMIC as your own. If it is not could you inform me of the differences that this intercooler has compared the the TMIC made my ETS. Thanks.

it was labelled as ours because Anatoly and I, through our own time, money, efforts and supplies helped ETS develop this TMIC as well as test this TMIC. forgive me if his work and my investment in terms of parts and money does give us some pride and feeling of ownership in the product. as the fabricator he is allowed to sell this TMIC to whomever he chooses to. there is no mystery at all and this is well documented to those not simply looking to stir the pot. Thanks.

[Equinox]

Great looking product/deal! KRM thanks once again for helping hook up the Mazda community!


Honestly I would suggest everyone leave the choice of TMIC or FMIC up to the individual customer. Please start your own thread if you choose to stand on a soapbox and preach.

[Captain KRM P5]

Great looking product/deal! KRM thanks once again for helping hook up the Mazda community!


Honestly I would suggest everyone leave the choice of TMIC or FMIC up to the individual customer. Please start your own thread if you choose to stand on a soapbox and preach.

thanks for the support.

as i said in the other thread, i don't mind discussion of competitive or different products. the user who made the post above was banned along with thier primary usernames because as suspected, it was made by a former AV here who posted misinformation and slander in order to discredit Anatoly and I as is standard practice on that vendor's behalf, proven time and again.

Anatoly will tell you, I really wanted and had orginally understood this product to be exclusive to ProtegeGarage / CustomMSP. ETS was approached to produce the TMIC by us, and I purchased the OEM parts from mazda when they became available and sent them to ETS to assist in developing the TMIC replacement. After the product was complete, Anatoly installed, demoed, tested and dynoed the TMIC to get the results we did. In contrast, the vendor who seeks, in futility, to defame us contributed nothing to the design or development of this product.

ETS made the decision not to be exclusive on this product, myself being aware after the initial threads were made. I respect this decision. ETS has reimbursed me for the supplied parts and I am very appreciative of that gesture.

I expect this thread to stay on topic. Further fabrication and trolling is not acceptable.

[mattleegee]

Are there any reviews from buyers yet?

And has the second size been produced to clear the hood vent better? another dyno with that with stock first then it 20 mins later?

Seems its been a couple weeks, ready for an update

[Captain KRM P5]

Are there any reviews from buyers yet?

And has the second size been produced to clear the hood vent better? another dyno with that with stock first then it 20 mins later?

Seems its been a couple weeks, ready for an update

all we are selling now are the 3 inch models. our experience so far tells us there will be little if any difference between the 3.5 inch and the 3 inch in terms of dyno results but yes we do intend to dyno it as soon as we can.

[elderlycoffee]

The final version will look alot neater right? those are some pretty inconsistant looking welds.... i'm sure it performs well it just dosn't look super amazing

[CustomMSP]

The final version will look alot neater right? those are some pretty inconsistant looking welds.... i'm sure it performs well it just dosn't look super amazing

Here are pics of the final version on a customer's car in black powdercoating;

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid219/p2d6850cd98079d8013dc752b8ed6c60a/ebee710e.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid219/p7991de02c6061666ad7b55ff1177a6dc/ebee70c1.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid219/pe38f5b606d143d0bfeae51c2906e913d/ebee704f.jpg