Mazdaspeed6 FMIC Kit Ready To Go!!!

[Captain KRM P5]

UPDATE : maximum core CFM = 675 CFM
UPDATE : more pics on page 4
UPDATE : initial drive impressions

alright took the car out for a good hour plus this evening and logged some time and miles on it. first thing to note - no check engine light whatsoever of any kind. car idled as smooth if not smoother than stock idle. acceleration was super smooth all the way to redline in evey gear. acceleration was outstanding. one of my employees as well as one of the fabricators who have more behind the wheel time with this car were amazed how much harder the car pulled throughout the rev range. there was not a moment of hesitation or stumble on or off the throttle and even after an hour of street testing the car stayed consistently and considerably stronger. the GReddy RS setup with recirculaton functioned great and we're confident even without instrumentation at this point that it holds more boost than the stock BPV.

Dyno day is saturday, and of course we'll be doing a range of tests along with the roller run. Pressure gains, maximum boost, EGT and/or air/fuel ratios, core temps, air temps, etc. Anyone who wants to see something additional or different please feel free to chime in with a request and i'll see what i can do to make that happen.

As for pricing, there are four packages available;

Mazdaspeed6 FMIC Kit for Stock BPV with Powdercoated Pipes
$849.95

Mazdaspeed6 FMIC Kit with GReddy RS BOV and Powdercoated Pipes
$999.95

Mazdaspeed6 FMIC Kit for Stock BPV with Polished Stainless Pipes
$1049.95

Mazdaspeed6 FMIC Kit with GReddy RS BOV and Polished Stainless Pipes
$1199.95

As far as I know CP-E and the others have not released pricing or performance numbers yet, so I'll go out on the limb and be first to release ours. Every kit will come with reinforced silicone couplers and t-bolt stainless clamps, associated bracketry and relocation materials where applicable.

Here we are ladies and gents; ProtegeGarage's FMIC kit for the MS6 is getting the final details tidied up and is ready for full production. This is a high quality kit that cuts no corners and is a complete solution needing no modification, no cutting and no addition purchase by the end user. Simply install and drive. The components included are;

- Bar and Plate Intercooler Core from Bell Intercoolers (www.bellintercoolers.com (http://www.bellintercoolers.com), www.bellengineering.net (http://www.bellengineering.net)) Size: 3" thick, 14" long, 11" tall. Anyone who knows anything about turbocharging and forced induction knows nothing will outperform a BEGi core.
- GReddy RS Blow Off Valve with machined recirculation fittings
- Precision machined MAF sensor mounting point
- Polished stainless steel pipes
- Vibrant Hardened Heat Resistant Couplers
- Constant Torque Stainless Clamps
- Custom Air Intake setup complete with K&N Air Filter

We'll announce final pricing next week as well as dyno results from the installed kit. There will be introductory discount pricing for forum members, so PM me if interested.

[Captain KRM P5]

more pics

[justanotheradikt]

sweet...funny thing is i was at the dealership for a long time today test driving the speed6 and talking numbers.... hmm

[Rainman]

Damn...what do the end tanks look like? It is good that the kit requires no cutting. I can imagine that it will cost a pretty penny though.

R

[Captain KRM P5]

Damn...what do the end tanks look like? It is good that the kit requires no cutting. I can imagine that it will cost a pretty penny though.

R

endtanks will be on the car this weekend and i will get some pictures of them then for you all. we're trying to bring the kit in at a good price point, but keep in mind that you are getting a complete kit with an intake, quality parts from companies like BEGi and Greddy as well as precision fabricated components for things like PCV and MAF. the first ten kits will be sold at a discounted rate.

[mazdaspeed777]

One more reason for me to get a MS6. It will be mine... OH YES! It will be mine.

[Kansei]

it still irks me that the gaping front grille on the MS6 and now the MS3 are so fake..

P5 has a tall lower grille.. but that shits real :P

The part looks great though Ken, good work!

[maestro]

Blamo! beating a few companies to the punch.
Now let's hear some prices.
Relocating that AF sensor is probably going to cause CEL's. Has the car been driven with the kit, it does not look done in the pictures?

[Captain KRM P5]

correction - kit will have not welded joint, but fully MANDREL BENT mirror finish stainless piping

[CitizenPro]

Nice to see you bring this out Ken.....Cant wait to see the final product :D

[ms64meplease]

moving the mafs will not cause a cel its just like a cai it dont move 12" lower than what it did before it will measure the air the same way even if it was located at the tb it will still read just fine as long as theres no leaks and the bov return is behind it.

[jcgemt2003]

endtanks will be on the car this weekend and i will get some pictures of them then for you all. we're trying to bring the kit in at a good price point, but keep in mind that you are getting a complete kit with an intake, quality parts from companies like BEGi and Greddy as well as precision fabricated components for things like PCV and MAF. the first ten kits will be sold at a discounted rate.
Can you make the purchase minus the intake, and the blowoff valve and will it be at a much cheaper rate? Cause I already have all that stuff...dont wanna buy more....no what I mean?

[PerfectXtreme]

This kit will not work with any existing CAI setups... Which is a problem for a lot of us. So, if you want a front-mount... you're probably gonna have to try and sell your CAI to other members who aren't planning on that mod...

As for the BOV.... I would really like to know if we can use our own... or if the bracket is welded onto the system already.... I think its a great idea doing a FULL custom kit like this.. intake (not cold air which is kinda sad)... BOV.. everything included with no cutting ... Is awsome....

[Blackrose]

Damn Ken. That front mount is hot. And the Speed looks funny without the top mount on....

[Dinos Speed6]

Ahhh my baby, I miss it so much, I cant wait to feel it with that fron mount on

[Black_Protege_5]

Oh so interested. I was at the dealer today and test drove the ms6 and wow. Now i just need to find the one at the price I want. But it will be my next car.

[maestro]

moving the mafs will not cause a cel its just like a cai it dont move 12" lower than what it did before it will measure the air the same way even if it was located at the tb it will still read just fine as long as theres no leaks and the bov return is behind it.

Thanks, I can deal with that reply. As many different companies have made intake kits for cars and given them a CEL, especially turbos. I am still a little concerned.
In theory I believe you to be correct. In practice, and I do't know why, the placement of the meter seems to be very dependant on where it is in the system as you said. Changes in bends, straights etc effect velocity and flow. While the changes would seem negligable it seems to matter significantly to the ECU/sensor, it is just something I have observed.
So far no CEL with my MazdaSpeed Intake though.

Iv'e also been up all night I'm done.

[Dinos Speed6]

Some older pics, before all the piping was laid down..
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f291/ckydown84/CIMG0929.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f291/ckydown84/CIMG0928.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f291/ckydown84/CIMG0927.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f291/ckydown84/CIMG0925.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f291/ckydown84/CIMG0923.jpg

[Kansei]

wow considering it's a midsized car with a 2.3, that's a pretty cramped engine bay.

[Captain KRM P5]

This kit will not work with any existing CAI setups... Which is a problem for a lot of us. So, if you want a front-mount... you're probably gonna have to try and sell your CAI to other members who aren't planning on that mod...

As for the BOV.... I would really like to know if we can use our own... or if the bracket is welded onto the system already.... I think its a great idea doing a FULL custom kit like this.. intake (not cold air which is kinda sad)... BOV.. everything included with no cutting ... Is awsome....

i think the trade off will be worth it honestly. we expect good numbers from this kit and quality of parts and work included will be well worth it. the GReddy bracket is welded into place but I can have it setup to accept the stock valve and perhaps discount the price down. i'll look into doing that

Ahhh my baby, I miss it so much, I cant wait to feel it with that fron mount on

thanks again for donating the car for this many weeks of development. call Matt when you get a chance he has a few questions for you, please and thanx :)

[Blake]

Looks great ken as always

[jrodhotrod]

Looks great Ken!

Looking forward to the pictures of the final "pretty" kit.

How is the TMIC coming along?

[Captain KRM P5]

Looks great Ken!

Looking forward to the pictures of the final "pretty" kit.

How is the TMIC coming along?

that too is also finished :D

[jrodhotrod]

that too is also finished :D

Pictures, details!

Come on you slacker.

[Mutmatt]

To answer some of the questions throughout this thread, no this will not work with any of the existing CAI kits, no the kit is not finalized therefor we have no knowledge of the MAF relocation causing issues... i can only assume that there will be none due to the fact of correct mounting and placement. And just to put in my personal opinion the kit looks beautiful. Piping will fit like a glove, all pipes have mounting brackets for them, so no rattling. The core is also a beast, it may not look large but we will take some shots from the top and you can see that this core is HUGE 3" deep! The end tanks on some of the kits also make up a bit of bulk, so don't get us wrong this core will hold up to tons of power!!! BRING IT ON!

[Dinos Speed6]

The end tanks on some of the kits also make up a bit of bulk, so don't get us wrong this core will hold up to tons of power!!! BRING IT ON!
Stop talking about it, I dont think I can wait any longer, Im salivating at the thought.(breakn) (drive)

[Speed6 Guy]

I say 1500-2000 min. That looks good bar and plate is the way to go on the core.

[Captain KRM P5]

I say 1500-2000 min. That looks good bar and plate is the way to go on the core.

not going to be 2000 dollars, have no fears

[Speed6 Guy]

it is still too much if you stay above 1500 that is a lot of money for not that much in HP gains.

[Captain KRM P5]

it is still too much if you stay above 1500 that is a lot of money for not that much in HP gains.

its not going to be that high either

[yashart@work]

...this core is HUGE 3" deep! The end tanks on some of the kits also make up a bit of bulk, so don't get us wrong this core will hold up to tons of power!!! BRING IT ON!


Am I the only one that thinks that Intercooler looks extremely small? I know its not small, but it looks puny in that bottem grill opening.

Also, Are you sure this is going to be large enough? I could not find a 14x 11x 3 intercooler on the website, but a similarly sized IC (18x11x3) is only rated for 300CFM. If I am not mistaken, the stock turbo flows more than that at 17psi....

Sorry, I am not trying to knock your product, but that IC just doesnt seem right.

Take the MSP Intercooler for example. MAM use a 28" x 6.5" x 3.5" core and hiboost (their standard kit) uses a 24" x 6.5" x 3" . Perrin uses and even larger one (which is overkill)...

Anyway, look at total area:
MAM - 28x6.5x3.5 = 637ci
Hiboost - 24x6.5x3 = 468ci
Perrin - >637ci = overkill
MS6 FMIC core -> 462ci

That gives your core the smallest cooling area. Now I know effiency plays a huge role, (and that really cant be calculated here) but MAM, Hiboost, and Perrin all use non-ebay, high quality cores.

^^ Thats probably a bad example, but that is what got me thinking.

Once again, I am not trying to start an arguement or flame war, I just dont see that core being the best choice. maybe you can elaborate, or enlighten me if I am missing something.

Its nice to see that you are beating everyone else to get this out Ken. Best of luck with this!

[Kansei]

the perrin is just ridiculous though.. goodbye bumper support. The core does look small though, but maybe once it has endtanks it'll look better.

[yashart@work]

the perrin is just ridiculous though.. goodbye bumper support. The core does look small though, but maybe once it has endtanks it'll look better.


Agreed. The Perrin is overkill. MAM and hiboost however are not..... Correct me if I am wrong, but the stock MSP turbo max is 405CFM (in its peak effeciency range). That would make the intercoolering they are using for the MS6 too small for the msp (at peak efficiency) , and I can only assume that the MS6 @16-17 flows more the MSP turbo.

[vindication]

awaiting dyno numbers on this....even though I dont own a MS6. But yeah, the IC looks a little small for those wanting to push their cars more, basically why they buy a new fmic. but I know nothing about it so I will await a response too.

[Blake]

The Lengthof the mam and hiboost are including endtanks ... i think
also add another 3-4 inches on either side of the core and ur looking at a 20-22 inch long core.

[Blake]

726 ci now

[Kansei]

The Lengthof the mam and hiboost are including endtanks ... i think
also add another 3-4 inches on either side of the core and ur looking at a 20-22 inch long core.

Well that could be the answer right there.

[Speed6 Guy]

Let me just say this if it comes in under $1100 this will work. But there needs to be dyno sheets and proof that the car can make 300+HP or this kit is no good on the market.

[yashart_mp3]

The Lengthof the mam and hiboost are including endtanks ... i think
also add another 3-4 inches on either side of the core and ur looking at a 20-22 inch long core.

Incorrect. I posted core sizes, not including entanks. The MAM inercooler with endtanks is 33 1/2" long, and the hiboost is right about the same

[Kansei]

back to square 1 lol

[Mutmatt]

The core will be made to fit every part of the bumper without cutting there for with end tanks it is an EXTREMELY tight fit! This is a custom core by BEGi which is also why you can't find exact specs... there will be dynos of before and after.

[Captain KRM P5]

Let me just say this if it comes in under $1100 this will work. But there needs to be dyno sheets and proof that the car can make 300+HP or this kit is no good on the market.

we fully plan on before and after dynos at stock boost. if the customer wishes to increase the boost therafter and have us dyno the car then we will do it. you could make 300hp on the stock TMIC according to my own research. making that number on this unit while retaining proper air temps, pressure rates and flow rates should not be an issue.

i cannot stress this enough - there is alot more to the numbers game than having a big core. i would - and have - pitted my old BEGi SMIC setup with a T3 against another car with a MAM manifold, upgraded turbo and iON fmic and mine came out on top in pretty much every category and at lower boost. does that mean my SMIC is automatically better? no. does it dispel the myth that an intercooler makes the most difference based on size alone? yes.

different vehicle example - my brother put a custom fmic on his mazdaspeed miata this past week. as many of you know, one can easily trim the stock hardpipes on that car and put in a wider/taller/thicker core and call it a day. he bought a high quality, high dollar, bar and plate core with gorgeous endtanks and thick flow paths, not some ebay knockoff. not only is his car not performing any better, but real world tests show it to be performing worse than the paltry core mazda saw fit to give the car from the showroom.

yes thats an apples to oranges comparison, but its also an apples to oranges comparison to say that the larger the core, the better off you will be. we proved years ago that the BEGi fmic for the msp, despite the smaller core, performed better than the other fmic solutions out there in terms of sheer scientifics. road evidence continues to uphold that to this day. i have numerous customers who bought one of those kits and raves how much better their vehicle performs side by side with a competitor's kit equipped msp.

this is an expensive project that has taken months to reach fruition, out of my own pocket. we realize for any customers that this kit will be a major investment and since it is a major expense for us and the customer, we will not accept anything less than a complete package that performs good from EVERY aspect.

[Kansei]

Thanks for setting the record straight on this. Sucks about your brother's MX-5.. but the new FMIC sure does look puurty

[Captain KRM P5]

Thanks for setting the record straight on this. Sucks about your brother's MX-5.. but the new FMIC sure does look puurty

it looks awesome and mounted up awesome. i will say that once he plays with the boost settings and grabs an intake (intakes do a world of good for those cars) i am sure the benefits of that IC will make themselves better known. that goes right back to my point of the overall package and not the singular piece doing its job.

[yashart_mp3]

we fully plan on before and after dynos at stock boost. if the customer wishes to increase the boost therafter and have us dyno the car then we will do it. you could make 300hp on the stock TMIC according to my own research. making that number on this unit while retaining proper air temps, pressure rates and flow rates should not be an issue.

i cannot stress this enough - there is alot more to the numbers game than having a big core. i would - and have - pitted my old BEGi SMIC setup with a T3 against another car with a MAM manifold, upgraded turbo and iON fmic and mine came out on top in pretty much every category and at lower boost. does that mean my SMIC is automatically better? no. does it dispel the myth that an intercooler makes the most difference based on size alone? yes.

different vehicle example - my brother put a custom fmic on his mazdaspeed miata this past week. as many of you know, one can easily trim the stock hardpipes on that car and put in a wider/taller/thicker core and call it a day. he bought a high quality, high dollar, bar and plate core with gorgeous endtanks and thick flow paths, not some ebay knockoff. not only is his car not performing any better, but real world tests show it to be performing worse than the paltry core mazda saw fit to give the car from the showroom.

yes thats an apples to oranges comparison, but its also an apples to oranges comparison to say that the larger the core, the better off you will be. we proved years ago that the BEGi fmic for the msp, despite the smaller core, performed better than the other fmic solutions out there in terms of sheer scientifics. road evidence continues to uphold that to this day. i have numerous customers who bought one of those kits and raves how much better their vehicle performs side by side with a competitor's kit equipped msp.

this is an expensive project that has taken months to reach fruition, out of my own pocket. we realize for any customers that this kit will be a major investment and since it is a major expense for us and the customer, we will not accept anything less than a complete package that performs good from EVERY aspect.


Sounds good Ken! I would expect nothing but the best from you. I never doubted your had work and research, I was just curious as to how well that setup would perform. Like I said before, I know that core size is not everything, I was just wondering how effecient the intercooler you chose could really be... I was looking at CFM rating, but since I dont know anything about the MS6 turbo, and since this is a custom core from Begi, it is nearly impossible for me to "calculate" performance... Once again, sorry if I put a damper on this thread. I know and trust that you will only bring quality parts to the table.

[sandspeed]

[QUOTE=Captain KRM P5]
i cannot stress this enough - there is alot more to the numbers game than having a big core. i would - and have - pitted my old BEGi SMIC setup with a T3 against another car with a MAM manifold, upgraded turbo and iON fmic and mine came out on top in pretty much every category and at lower boost. does that mean my SMIC is automatically better? no. does it dispel the myth that an intercooler makes the most difference based on size alone? yes.

yes thats an apples to oranges comparison, but its also an apples to oranges comparison to say that the larger the core, the better off you will be. we proved years ago that the BEGi fmic for the msp, despite the smaller core, performed better than the other fmic solutions out there in terms of sheer scientifics. road evidence continues to uphold that to this day. i have numerous customers who bought one of those kits and raves how much better their vehicle performs side by side with a competitor's kit equipped msp.
QUOTE]

very very true. I have a msp begi kit from ken on my msp and outperform other msps with different (bigger) cores. Even though its not huge the core is designed to flow extremely efficiently. (first)

[Rawyzf]

Can't wait for the numbers!

[JokerFMJ]

Any final pricing numbers yet? Dyno results?

------------------------------

Nevermind, my bad, was thinking this was posted last week not this week. =D

[Captain KRM P5]

pricing we are planning as such;

$1199 with the GReddy RS Blow Off Valve and Re-circ Adaptor
$899 using stock Mazdaspeed bypass valve

keep in mind, this is PRELIMINARY prices subject to change

[Mutmatt]

I just recieved the CFM specs from BEGi on the custom intercooler we have in the works for this and the total CFM is a whopping 675 CFM... AMAZING numbers for the "small" intercooler :)

[Kansei]

I just recieved the CFM specs from BEGi on the custom intercooler we have in the works for this and the total CFM is a whopping 675 CFM... AMAZING numbers for the "small" intercooler :)

yeah that's why I wanted the BEGi MSP fmic kit.. but the hiboost will have to do for now. BEGi seems to make nice stuff!

[sandspeed]

yeah that's why I wanted the BEGi MSP fmic kit.. but the hiboost will have to do for now. BEGi seems to make nice stuff!

hells yea , the begi kit owns but it has the strangest looking endtanks. I used to hate how the look but now I really like it...:D

[Kansei]

hells yea , the begi kit owns but it has the strangest looking endtanks. I used to hate how the look but now I really like it...:D

trade for my hiboost with custom piping (fits with p5 radiator) ?? :D

[Rainman]

Nice price for a great looking product. We just need to see the dyno numbers baby! Also waiting for the TMIC numbers too.


And for the good of everyone lets all keep this civil (not intended to centre out anyone).

R

[Dinos Speed6]

Went and looked at the car today, it looks great with the endtanks on! I cant wait for this to be done, Ill post some pics when Im not so lazy.

[Dinos Speed6]

Here ya go:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f291/ckydown84/CIMG1103.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f291/ckydown84/CIMG1104.jpg

[CitizenPro]

Lookin good so far (thumb)

...thats a tall core.

[maestro]

lookin for updates.

[Captain KRM P5]

Lookin good so far (thumb)

...thats a tall core.

hopefully that should render moot some of the 'small' comments(enguard)

[Dinos Speed6]

hopefully that should render moot some of the 'small' comments(enguard)

Exactly what I was thinking(thumb)

[Captain KRM P5]

started and ran the car tonight. no check engine light and everything is smooth running. tomorrow will show some more aggressive street testing and then its off to the dynos :)

some more pictures to ponder below. pipes shown are done in black for the prototype kit. to note, the pipes you will see below are welded - not bent - welded, with the welds entirely smoothed and polished out. thats the quality of fabrication behind this kit. i have circled some points to note which better bring to light why the intercooler is designed the way it is. as you can see, there are four braces angled between the bumper and the core support. being that part of our goal was not to cut/modify/trim/remove anything stock, the intercooler and endtanks were designed to fit within those brackets. i am not sure if the other kits in development remove these brackets. we do not.

a final after thought on core location is that, should one get into an accident (yes, i know no one thinks about that or wants to think about that) the intercooler is better protected than if it were not behind that beam at all. this may not seem like much until you need to fork out $300+ to replace a smashed intercooler.

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Captain%20KRM%20P5/testfit3.JPG
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Captain%20KRM%20P5/testfit4.JPG
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Captain%20KRM%20P5/testfit5.JPG
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Captain%20KRM%20P5/testfit6.JPG
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Captain%20KRM%20P5/testfit7.JPG
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Captain%20KRM%20P5/testfit8.JPG
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Captain%20KRM%20P5/testfit9.JPG
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Captain%20KRM%20P5/testfit10.JPG
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Captain%20KRM%20P5/testfit11.JPG
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Captain%20KRM%20P5/testfit12.JPG

[TheMAN]

the quality looks awesome!

[jrodhotrod]

Looking good Ken!

[Rainman]

Wow...that intercooler is taller than I am...LOL! Great quality build. Thanks for the update Ken.

R

[Kansei]

omg I love it! It's such a beautiful tangled mess of piping :D

[buit9110]

it looks very nice!!

[Captain KRM P5]

if any ms6 owner here is interested in a discounted first run piece, shoot me a private message or email

[djarkitek]

cant wait to see power increases

[Captain KRM P5]

initial drive impressions

alright took the car out for a good hour plus this evening and logged some time and miles on it. first thing to note - no check engine light whatsoever of any kind. car idled as smooth if not smoother than stock idle. acceleration was super smooth all the way to redline in evey gear. acceleration was outstanding. one of my employees as well as one of the fabricators who have more behind the wheel time with this car were amazed how much harder the car pulled throughout the rev range. there was not a moment of hesitation or stumble on or off the throttle and even after an hour of street testing the car stayed consistently and considerably stronger. the GReddy RS setup with recirculaton functioned great and we're confident even without instrumentation at this point that it holds more boost than the stock BPV.

Dyno day is saturday, and of course we'll be doing a range of tests along with the roller run. Pressure gains, maximum boost, EGT and/or air/fuel ratios, core temps, air temps, etc. Anyone who wants to see something additional or different please feel free to chime in with a request and i'll see what i can do to make that happen.

As for pricing, there are four packages available;

Mazdaspeed6 FMIC Kit for Stock BPV with Powdercoated Pipes
$849.95

Mazdaspeed6 FMIC Kit with GReddy RS BOV and Powdercoated Pipes
$999.95

Mazdaspeed6 FMIC Kit for Stock BPV with Polished Stainless Pipes
$1049.95

Mazdaspeed6 FMIC Kit with GReddy RS BOV and Polished Stainless Pipes
$1199.95

As far as I know CP-E and the others have not released pricing or performance numbers yet, so I'll go out on the limb and be first to release ours. Every kit will come with reinforced silicone couplers and t-bolt stainless clamps, associated bracketry and relocation materials where applicable.

[Dinos Speed6]

Brought her home tonight and WOW is all I have to say for now, I will do a nice write up and everything, Thanks again to Protege Garage and Real Street Performance.

[speed6808]

(shocked) wow awsome, cant wait to see the gains.

[Jeph]

Hmmm it looks really nice, but what good does it do if half the core is obstructed by the bumper support?

[Speed6 Guy]

Real Street Performance +1 That guy is the sh&#.

Also the core is vary thick and is bar and plate. The bumper is there and that is it we can do nothing about it. Plus Don't Shi& on theis thread Please.

[Rawyzf]

Are there any pics with the bumper back on the car?

[Mutmatt]

Here you go Ryan :)

[Rawyzf]

Here you go Ryan :)

Thanks!

Any pics a few feet from the car, lol. Sorry to be picky.

[Mutmatt]

:) I live to please

Sorry for the angle i don't have any straight ons today... you will get videos and pictures on the dyno sat (pm me if you want to come :))

[crazyspeed6]

That looks really good. In your own opinion, is it worth it? I mean, can you really tell the difference?

[CustomMSP]

I'm loving it!!

[Mutmatt]

That looks really good. In your own opinion, is it worth it? I mean, can you really tell the difference?

In one word, (shocked) ,

Thank you that is all

[Rawyzf]

:) I live to please

Sorry for the angle i don't have any straight ons today... you will get videos and pictures on the dyno sat (pm me if you want to come :))

Cool, I'll have to see it in person.

What time do you have the dyno scheduled for?

[Mutmatt]

I guess i can explain a bit more than that lol. The cars idle is just as strong as when it was stock, the car wants to pull and pull and feels like there is no end, 80 mph and still pulls great. The compressor noise is enough to bring a smile to your face. I know it was when i was in it! The best part about it, complete bolt on in the driveway and the drivability is just like stock and then some!

[crazyspeed6]

Well if the kit produces good numbers this weekend, then I will pick up one on Monday. Sound good?

[Mutmatt]

Well if the kit produces good numbers this weekend, then I will pick up one on Monday. Sound good?

sounds better than good :)

[Rawyzf]

sounds better than good :)

Will they install too :)

[Mutmatt]

if you lived near me i would install it in a heart beat... it really is simple, everything bolts down in stock positions and is braced.

[Rawyzf]

if you lived near me i would install it in a heart beat... it really is simple, everything bolts down in stock positions and is braced.

I do live near you :p

[Mutmatt]

ok! i will do it if you buy it :)

but you have to come to me :)

[Rawyzf]

ok! i will do it if you buy it :)

but you have to come to me :)

I was just playing...I can do the install.

I might get it, depending on price and numbers.

[Captain KRM P5]

I was just playing...I can do the install.

I might get it, depending on price and numbers.

prices were posted in this thread, one page back

[Rawyzf]

if any ms6 owner here is interested in a discounted first run piece, shoot me a private message or email

I was thinking about this...

[Dinos Speed6]

That looks really good. In your own opinion, is it worth it? I mean, can you really tell the difference?

HAHAHA ohhh trust me you WILL tell the difference this thing pulls like an MF'er now (not like it didnt before) but now its pulling all the way to redline. In 6th cruising at 55 you punch and it still is pulling hard. You will all be very pleased.

[Captain KRM P5]

HAHAHA ohhh trust me you WILL tell the difference this thing pulls like an MF'er now (not like it didnt before) but now its pulling all the way to redline. In 6th cruising at 55 you punch and it still is pulling hard. You will all be very pleased.

after extended drives, how does the car feel in terms of power loss / possible heat soak for you?

[Dinos Speed6]

after extended drives, how does the car feel in terms of power loss / possible heat soak for you?
Both power loss and heat soak are virtually non existent, you can feel how cool the pipes are after extending driving coming for the IC, One this I was wworried about was turbo lag, threw that out the window after driving it for a while. This car pulls and it pulls hard and constant now. And it sounds amazing, you can hear that turbo spooling finally and the Greddy BOV really sets it off.

[Dinos Speed6]

Real Street Performance +1 That guy is the sh&#.

Chris at real street is definately a +++++1, that guy is a pro and great customer service.

[Jeph]

Real Street Performance +1 That guy is the sh&#.

Also the core is vary thick and is bar and plate. The bumper is there and that is it we can do nothing about it. Plus Don't Shi& on theis thread Please.

I am not shitting on the thread. I bring up a very valid point. You can have the greatest core ever made, but if it isn't getting proper airflow then it may or may not cool as efficiently as the stock TMIC.

I don't doubt that Ken has done his research, and even behind the bumper it gets good airflow. It is a great looking piece, and i know BEGI cores are top notch

[Mutmatt]

Has anyone consided the air flow on the radiator? It gets plenty of air top, bottom and middle (behind the bumper support)... Why does that not apply to a IC? (Just my thoughts)

[maestro]

Hoping to see some numbers this weekend, looks like you guys have a fair battery of tests lined up!!
Sounds promising fro consistency, lack of heat soak & lag. Price seems nice to boot. I might have to pony up some cash soon.


Has anyone consided the air flow on the radiator? It gets plenty of air top, bottom and middle (behind the bumper support)... Why does that not apply to a IC? (Just my thoughts)
Wouldn't this answer have been better than , don't shit on this thread please?
You have the basis of a good reply here. Yu should use that first instead, it reflects better on you and maintains the good image ProtegeGarage has established.

[Captain KRM P5]

Hoping to see some numbers this weekend, looks like you guys have a fair battery of tests lined up!!
Sounds promising fro consistency, lack of heat soak & lag. Price seems nice to boot. I might have to pony up some cash soon.



Wouldn't this answer have been better than , don't shit on this thread please?
You have the basis of a good reply here. Yu should use that first instead, it reflects better on you and maintains the good image ProtegeGarage has established.

maybe i missed it, where did matt or i say anyone was shitting on the thread? i don't personally tolerate that from myself or my staff and apologize if either one of us went that route.

thanks for the kind remarks otherwise, we're looking forward to the final results as much as everyone!

[Jeph]

Neither of you did :) Speed6 Guy accused me of shitting on it. Sorry if it came across that way, i was just bringing up a visual concern i saw with the intercooler behind the support, and maybe not getting the airflow it needed. But it is a great core, and i have no doubt you've done your research

[ChopstickHero]

Wow, looks great! awesome quality on those welds and the piping!

[Captain KRM P5]

Wow, looks great! awesome quality on those welds and the piping!

thanks sir

Neither of you did :) Speed6 Guy accused me of shitting on it. Sorry if it came across that way, i was just bringing up a visual concern i saw with the intercooler behind the support, and maybe not getting the airflow it needed. But it is a great core, and i have no doubt you've done your research

hey i welcome criticism if its constructive, no worries.

[Rawyzf]

What about the air this is stealing from the radiator? Is there any concern for overheating in the summer months?

[Captain KRM P5]

What about the air this is stealing from the radiator? Is there any concern for overheating in the summer months?

this was part of the reason for going with a core that was not super wide. there is still enough space we feel to properly flow air to the radiator, in tandem with the rad fans pulling heat away

[maestro]

maybe i missed it, where did matt or i say anyone was shitting on the thread? i don't personally tolerate that from myself or my staff and apologize if either one of us went that route.

thanks for the kind remarks otherwise, we're looking forward to the final results as much as everyone!

Time for me to visit the eye doctor. So sorry guys, seems I misquoted. keep up the good work.

I need to remember to drink more regularly so these things donn't happen. Too drunk to type means I can't make dumb posts.

I just reread this and I blatantly screwed that quote up. Jeez

[Mutmatt]

everything is cool. People get concers with new products but just remember who you have backing the product :)

[vindication]

dyno yet?
I dont know why I am excited about this, I dont even own a MS6 :p

[II-Savy]

Interesting. I wonder what the gains will be...:)

[Captain KRM P5]

we rescheduled our dyno day to get more time and thus more comprehensive data.

[II-Savy]

I guess thats good but...Boooooooooooooooo(pissed)

[Mutmatt]

I guess thats good but...Boooooooooooooooo(pissed)

werd

[DanSpeed6]

Any update on the dyno ?

[MS6westpalm]

i wonder how much the labor costs are gonna be cant wait to get mine...

[II-Savy]

I think was a just a joke, there is no FMIC

[Captain KRM P5]

we ran into some issues with the demo kit thus far that have prevented numbers from being up. i will detail those issues and what we are going to do about them here.

keep in mind the test car is in minnesota, where the current temps are well below what most of us are experiencing now. the demo car began experiencing fuel cut at wide open throttle after temps began to drop this week. after 4500 rpm at wide open throttle, the car would hir fuel cut. no check engine light mind you, just fuel cut. we are aware there are many people experiencing fuel cut on these vehicles right now (documented on a mazda6 forum) some vehicles bone stock, other with intakes and others with exhaust, all around the same RPM condition at WOT. until temps had truly cooled, the car was operating well.

we made some adjustments to the kit to ensure everything was installed correctly and took the car in. we were surprised by the dyno. the dyno was done on a Dynamatics model, not a Dynojet etc. The dyno run was a mere 180whp. Needless to say, we were not at all satisfied. After checking our air/fuel ratios, we found that at halfway through the powerband the air/fuel ratio was never leaner than 10 to 1, and at full throttle high rpm the wideband maxed out past 9 to 1. Obviously, the car is running extremely rich and losing power.

We are going to redesign the intake setup to a size and design more mimicing stock in terms of diameter and MAF housing and do more testing on the car this week.

[jrodhotrod]

By Dynamatics, do you mean dyno dynamics?

If that is the case, it is very common for dyno dynamics dynos to read much lower than a dynojet or even mustang dyno (but not to the same degree). On my MSP we dynoed 215whp on a Dyno Dynamics dyno, took it down the street to a dynojet dyno, after all the proper cool downs with same conditions and it read in the 250s for whp.

Obviously the AFRs are a dissapointment right now, but if it was a dyno dynamics, the low WHP rating is not a surprise.

A good read on dynojet horsepower vs. real world horsepower for anyone interested:

http://www.germanmotorcars.com/Dyno_load%20vs%20inertia_1.htm

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

I think was a just a joke, there is no FMIC
lmao!

poor numbers from what i was expecting, crossing my fingers for you guys though...hope your final product is awesome, i'm most definitely still interested.

[Dinos Speed6]

Yea when we were getting the car dynoed they guys at the shop were saying that a STi stock dynos about 210-220 on that dyno, so 180 doesnt seem so bad to me, but hopefully will be a lot better

[Captain KRM P5]

Yea when we were getting the car dynoed they guys at the shop were saying that a STi stock dynos about 210-220 on that dyno, so 180 doesnt seem so bad to me, but hopefully will be a lot better

210 for an STi is really awful, stock or not. the richness issue i think, along with fuel cut, will be resolved with an intake/MAF redesign

[ssinstaller]

210 for an STi is really awful, stock or not. the richness issue i think, along with fuel cut, will be resolved with an intake/MAF redesign

I really don't think the richness issue has anything to do with your front mount IC, I think it's just in the MS6's tuning. I see 10.2~10.4 on my wideband every day, and have even seen it dip into the high 9's a couple of times(even at 17~18 psi). I don't currently have any issues with fuel cut though(never have), but I don't doubt that I might have to turn my boost down a little when it starts getting colder out.

I wonder if we could use a MAP clamp to stop the fuel cut, and lean the car out a little bit????

[Captain KRM P5]

i've read of some people trying a TurboXS fuel cut defenser. on a side note, the MAF sensor itself might be recalled by mazda. its the same one as in the 99 protege 1.6 liter and they have been known for failure and sensitivity.

[ms6utah]

I've been waiting for a fmic for some time now. i got rid of our mazda3 for the speed6 and am ready for upgrades. my friend has a firebird with the ls1 with exhaust and intake and thinks he can beat me yet he has declined me everytime i ask to race

[jcgemt2003]

That sucks...hope you work out the kinks.

[Mike Le]

you're doing good man, keep it up

[MSP608]

sounds like mazda didnt do shit progressing from msp to ms6. as soon as i put my front mount on i started getting fuel cut. just means the intake temps are too dense for the computer so it thinks its getting too much air and cuts the fuel like a rev limiter. i guess the ms6 tuning is quite similar to the msp.

[Bigg Tim]

How many feet of piping is there total between the turbo and the TB? How much pressure drop do you think there is? The price is awesome!!

[Captain KRM P5]

we altered the intake and MAF housing and the new dyno runs turned out MUCH nicer. we'll be doing stock VS fmic runs soon.

[CustomMSP]

we altered the intake and MAF housing and the new dyno runs turned out MUCH nicer. we'll be doing stock VS fmic runs soon.

That's very good!

[StuttersC]

I think Mazda6's run rich across the board, MS6, 3.0-liter 6 and the normally aspirated 2.3.

I think it's a 6 thing...Granted the N/A cars probably don't run as rich as the turbo car, but still rich enough. Come to think of it, the Protege did the same thing. Maybe it's a Mazda thing across the board.

Sorry, this is a little after the fact...

[Mutmatt]

We know that... but if the MAF isn't reading the correct amount of air or possibly maxing out then the car will not run well and/or could cause the car to cut boost which in turn would cause drops in hp numbers, thank you for the thought!

[StuttersC]

We know that... but if the MAF isn't reading the correct amount of air or possibly maxing out then the car will not run well and/or could cause the car to cut boost which in turn would cause drops in hp numbers, thank you for the thought!

I see what you are saying. Would it be possible, if you were able to crack the ECU, to tune around that and run the larger diameter piping?

[Mutmatt]

yes... tune the ecu... that would enable that, this is also how other cars do that. BUT if you want a lowest cost item... you have to cut out big ticket items like tuning... cuz that is EXPENSIVE and would raise prices!

[Captain KRM P5]

i have inquiries with three major EMS companies dealing with direct injection as of today - if anything comes of it i will surely post it.

[Rainman]

i have inquiries with three major EMS companies dealing with direct injection as of today - if anything comes of it i will surely post it.


Doesn't COBB have this thing just about cracked? They are supposed to be releasing their ACCESSPORT soon.

R

[Mutmatt]

spring will be the release from all accounts i've heard

[fergua87@erau.e]

Its the tuning of the ECU and perhaps they arent at a dyno setup that runs AWD either.

[Mutmatt]

Its the tuning of the ECU and perhaps they arent at a dyno setup that runs AWD either.

was this a comment on a previous statement because i do not understand it...

[shalezoom3]

I plan on purchasing a speed 6 soon and this will be my first mod.....maybe a little early on the questions...but are the tubes already powder coated, or can there be requests....not worried if cost is extra either.

[Mutmatt]

there are 2 options as of now a posibility of customs if you need be... Powder coated black or polished

[Skywlkr]

This looks great. Definitly looking into it once the bugs are ironed out and you get some dyno runs.

This is a dumb question, but a FMIC will definitly effect the warranty correct? and if I'm looking to do one should I not order a CAI?

Thanks and sorry for the dumb questions.

[buit9110]

it'll definitely ruin your warranty and if you are getting the protegegarage FMIC kit you don't need to buy an intake, it comes with it.

[Skywlkr]

Thank you. That was exactly what I suspected but wanted to be sure. Can't wait to see numbers on this.

[Kansei]

legally it can only void your warranty on items that they can directly prove it broke. I.e. it can't void the warranty on your sound system, AWD, exhaust, battery, etc. If you blow the engine (somehow.. I hear the MZR engine is quiiite strong), yeah they might not want to cover that.

[Mutmatt]

ya the DISI engine is strong but they COULD tie it to AWD systems for added power... they could give you an upfront "no" but you could fight it and make them prove it...

Just to update the project is still trying to be peiced together and if the intrest is still there we will continue on the path

[BCMSpeed6]

this project is awsome, been reading alot about upgrades in these forums and this FMIC kit once bugs are ironed out, and New downpipe with high flow cat and cat back exhaust system are top priority oh yeah that rear engine brace too
Hope the project is still underway, and is there a date set for the dyno? or did i miss it somewhere? anyways awsome job so far.

[Klip]

Interested also.......but only after further testing/dyno's. I would be purchasing this item next fall most likely.(ughdance) I am tired of looking at the OEM TMIC, I want to see my chrome valve cover asap......

[Karma_hunden]

Okay, so It's been 4 months now and no Dynos.....Where are they?

[Kansei]

Okay, so It's been 4 months now and no Dynos.....Where are they?

maybe nowhere.. I say just go for the TMIC, the FMIC seems to not be worth the effort.

[Captain KRM P5]

Okay, so It's been 4 months now and no Dynos.....Where are they?

forgot about this thread on this forum, sorry about that. we updated over on a different forum so i'll recap here.

alot of factors contributed to what amounts to a scrapping of and starting from the ground up on this intercooler kit. firstly, the fabricator and i did not see entirely eye to eye on the direction this kit was taking designwise and during testing. there were quite a few criticisms fielded about the kit that we felt obligated to answer not only from the standpoint of public knowledge but from a sales standpoint as well. there were a number of positives about the kit that have been discussed throughout the thread, however in the end the kit was not where we wanted it to be and not where it would satisfy demand or make a break even return in my mind.

secondly, we demanded a variety of tests and dyno runs for the vehicle under a variety of conditions and were largely ignored. the subsequent tests, though inadequete, showed that the car actually LOST power with the addition of the FMIC kit and hit fuel cut. we feel these were due to design issues with the housing of the vehicles highly sensitive mass air flow sensor. these MAF sensors as most people know are very sensitive to any kind of change in the intake system and will dramatically affect vehicle operation. we argued for a redesign and provided specific and simple examples how to repair the problem for the fabricator, and were instead presented with the following options;

1) redesign the kit to utilize the stock airbox
2) provide engine management to tune around the problem (it should be noted this would likely NOT work)

neither of those options were remotely palatable to us for reasons easily seen. this project as well as the TMIC have forced us to re-evaluate all custom projects. we are now doing all future fabrication either in house or locally to retain creative integrity and quality control as well as distribution control.

[Karma_hunden]

wow, that's a shame. Is the TMIC any good? How much of a difference does it make acceleration-wise?

[Captain KRM P5]

wow, that's a shame. Is the TMIC any good? How much of a difference does it make acceleration-wise?

the TMIC is excellent. outside of the dyno graphs we have on it, the car accelerates and drives much quicker and smoother through the powerband and does not heatsoak nearly as bad or fast as the stock IC

[Nutari]

I just want to know what happened to this. Did you guys run out of money on it or what.


Just was on your site and there is no talk of front mount anything.
Dude.. three posts down. lol

[jdub260]

?????^^^^^^^??????

AND wheres your FMIC

He ment post #149....I think.

[Mutmatt]

That is quite the accusation you just made there. The kit had errors that arrouse out of the car that were unforseen and were not fixable without further additions. Which is why the kit was never produced. Who would buy a kit that costs X amount and then has to buy Y product as well as Z product just to make it work.

[Captain KRM P5]

its taking alot for me not to fling obscenities left and right in this post. theres so much assumption, ignorance and bullheadedness that its hard to know where to start.

first of all, its been said on this forum and more than a few others what happened with this kit. the same reasons that no other company has a satisfactory retail kit on the market yet.

not that its any of your business how i conduct business with my suppliers, vendors or fabricators, the design was exclusive to us and not owned by anyone else. the R&D was bought and paid for before work was even begun. the design belongs to us unless we decide we no longer at some point want to further pursue it. we weren't satisifed with the direction this company was taking and we are working with another company on front mounts for both the 3 and the 6. the prototype for the 3 will in fact be ready next week. i also don't appreciate someone who has very little understanding of the efforts that went into this kit tell me or my staff how they think we should next proceed on it. if feel you know a good way to fabricate an intercooler kit, by all means grab some tools and go to town.

we didn't go broke, steal a design, give up on the program or sell snake oil. your remarks were naive at best and otherwise needlessly rude. you want to go ahead and remove pictures, go for it. you want to close or delete the thread be my guest. you want the facts on a project, how about you PM me or email me rather than make idiotic speculative remarks.

good day.

[Captain KRM P5]

also, since i've just been accused of "trying to dupe people" on this kit, lets make the record eminently clear;

we submitted requirements for what we wanted from this kit. we paid the company in advance and in full for over twice what we were quoted. deadlines were routinely exceeded. our requirements (such as allowing use of a CAI) were ignored. we made requirements of the company for when the car was to be dynoed. those were ignored. when the kit began experiencing the same problems as the other guys' kits were, we made requests for a redesign - with offers of added capital - that were ignored. at this point we requested a refund of the initial investment so that we could pursue the kit with a company who was more willing to what i was paying them for.

now frankly none of that kind of talk needs to be public knowledge because its a professional discourtesy of me to come on here and slam this guy. but i'll be damned if i am accused of duping anyone