What's up with MSP resale? [Archive]

B1GHAM

10-16-2006, 04:09 PM

nobody knows or cares about what a MSP is...to them...its just a Protege w/ a body kit. you can thank mazda for that one...They didnt market the car for shit...

Agreed.... Hell I didnt even know what one was until AFTER my friend bought his... They marketed the MP3 decently so it makes me wonder why, after knowing it would potentially make or break mazdaspeed, they didnt market it better.

evilmonkeyMSP

10-16-2006, 04:11 PM

B1GHAM

10-16-2006, 04:22 PM

I found out what is was because I was in a dealership for something & a titanium one caught my eye....then I found the blue one sitting in the back w/ plastic still on it & lost it....it was mine soon after

nice!! I really REALLY wish I had mine since it was new... wouldve been 40x better than my Jetta... but I didnt know about them at the time.

CitizenPro

10-16-2006, 04:30 PM

Yup, crappy mazda marketing. Still fun to see ricers rolling up to me wanting to race, thinking its just a modded protege.

As of recently, things have changed. I now have people confronting me asking if its turbo'd.....im guessing the Speed6 and Speed3 have finally gotten people to know what the "Mazdaspeed" badge is :D

sanblaster

10-16-2006, 04:31 PM

I can't wait until mazda comes out with fast cars that aren't manual only. How about some damn mazdaspeed automatics.

evilmonkeyMSP

10-16-2006, 04:34 PM

how about you learn how to ddrive a real car (peep)

:p

I can't wait until mazda comes out with fast cars that aren't manual only. How about some damn mazdaspeed automatics.

sanblaster

10-16-2006, 04:35 PM

how about you learn how to ddrive a real car (peep)

:p

*walks away with head down kicking rocks*

evilmonkeyMSP

10-16-2006, 04:38 PM

lol :D

BOOSTR

10-16-2006, 08:26 PM

Resale is out of whack just as the delivered pricing was on the cars. There were only a limited amount of them made and it debuted with limited fanfare. Some people were lucky enough to get them for $15-16K brand new, while others paid full MSRP or a bit less.

Most owners have modded there cars to some degree and that will impact the resale value. Especially if the mods were not installed properly.

Dr.Sound

10-16-2006, 08:53 PM

*walks away with head down kicking rocks* lol

yashooa

10-16-2006, 09:32 PM

I found out what is was because I was in a dealership for something & a titanium one caught my eye....then I found the blue one sitting in the back w/ plastic still on it & lost it....it was mine soon after Word, I went in to get a 6S with a 5-speed, sport package and Bose kit.
But alas as luck would have it there was this attractive little car all roped off in the showroom with a podium by it.
I thought, hmm das is dis? Very inta-raasting. I porused the brochure and took it for a spin. Well needless to say I loved the car and bought it.
But I did not really even know completely what the story was and I had seen them on the web but thought, bah is just a fucking Protege! LOL.

Rush

10-16-2006, 10:41 PM

I found out what is was because I was in a dealership for something & a titanium one caught my eye....then I found the blue one sitting in the back w/ plastic still on it & lost it....it was mine soon after
Ditto-ish!

I'm rather ashamed to say I was pretty much set on buying an SRT-4. Had my local dealerships had any color BUT yellow, I'd be sitting in a Neon today.

But thank God for my father. I was all ready to buy a black SRT-4 that hadn't even been delivered to a Dodge dealership about an hour away, when he said, " .. Let's go take a look around at the Mazda dealership. I bought my Protege there back in 2000. It's a pretty fun car to drive. Maybe they'll have something and give you a good deal."

And there was the Titanium, sitting front and center in the Mazda lot on Roosevelt Boulevard. And I fell in love. Aww.

But until I saw it, I'd never even heard of a MSP. And you know what else? I basically sold the car to myself. The questions that I asked the salesmen -- they had NO idea what the answers were. For example, they tried to tell me things like .. oh sure, the 03.5 MSP has foglights, they're built into the headlights. Yeah, okay! I did all my own research on it (what little there was available), and bought the car based on that. The salesmen were completely useless.

kamon8404

10-16-2006, 11:04 PM

Shift_Lost

10-17-2006, 01:01 AM

Yeah, I wish I had mine since new as well. Even though I paid 13 for mine used (back in may), which isn't horrible. Not to mention the fact that I had an 05 corolla before this. So, this is definately an upgrade. I don't think that I could bring myself to part with my baby now, especially for around 11k which is what they are going for. For the looks, style, platform, community, and aftermarket; i'll just have to upgrade to make the MSP an amazing daily driver!

Weird I didnt know there was a lack of advertising. I knew all about the car because of Mag's like super street and SCC,

The car came out when i was 16 and all over Honda's.

I loved them then, and this last may when i was shopping for an 00' or newer accord i seen mine on a sale lot. in a K-Mart Parking Lot here in Beaverton. For carr Chevrolet. took it for a spin, they were asking 21k and it had 21k miles.
I knew they were asking way to much as the car was bought in texas origenally so it was prob 19k NEW!

So i talked to my credit union and they said it was worth 18,195 so i went and offered 16k, worked out a deal at 16.375

6 months and 16k miles later i still love it. so happy i Chose a turbo over Vtec:)

evilmonkeyMSP

10-17-2006, 08:37 AM

Its ok Rush....I was looking to get an SRT4 too.... glad I didnt...

lisevolution

10-17-2006, 09:19 AM

I new about the car but was living in NYC when they came out. Once I moved back out to Long Island and proceeded to blow up my MX-6, and got extremely bored of driving my parents Taurus with a shot automatic! I go to this dealership to test drive an SVT Focus and proceed to snap the shift linkage during that drive. So after the sales guy tries shoe horning me into an SE-R Spec V I notice an unbadged Titanium MSP sitting in the middle of the Used Lot. I asked the guy, is that the Mazdaspeed...he had no freaking clue what I was talking about. I hop in take that for a test-drive, here the turkey and fall in love. To think I almost sold it this past summer for a TL!

BLU BY U

10-17-2006, 09:32 AM

I sold mine 3 months ago for $14,300 55k on it!!!!

Yellow MSP

10-17-2006, 04:08 PM

I have to be honest as well, before I bought mine, I had no idea they ever even made a Speed Protege. My credit union was having a big 0% interest sale on all of their Repo'd cars and I was in the market so I went down to see what they had. Nothing striked my interest except the bright yellow Protege. Then I noticed it said MazdaSpeed on the back...I know all about the new Speeds so I figured it had to be the same principal (turbo with all the sweet suspension hook-ups). Took it for a ride and fell in love. Got it for just under $13k with 58k on the clock.

Riceman

10-17-2006, 06:41 PM

I knew everything about the car as soon as it came out. I was in the market for a replacement car and the MSP was on my short list. My list included an RSX type S, Mini Cooper S, Sentra SE-R V-spec, and an Altima V6 5-speed.

smo0f

10-17-2006, 06:56 PM

I sold mine 3 months ago for $14,300 55k on it!!!!

how the hell did you pull that off

benflagg

10-17-2006, 07:30 PM

I bought mine with 21000 miles for 16000$ about 2 years ago, Thre stealership thought it was a reg protege.....suckers lol.

MrDiggler

10-17-2006, 09:03 PM

Bought mine with 8,000 mi. on it for $16k almost 3 years ago. I had a few possibles on my list (WRX, SRT-4, P5), but the Spicy MSP was at the top. I just couldn't get it out of my head. My history with 323-based vehicles goes back 15 years, so it didn't take much for me to make up my mind. As for marketing, the magazines did a pretty good job of that. I still have my Motor Trend with the Spicy on the cover.

quatelate

10-17-2006, 09:22 PM

ther was one on autotrader a while back selling for 21,000 with 7,000 miles dont know if it sold or not but im sure someone bought it for atleast 18,000

Rush

10-17-2006, 10:32 PM

Its ok Rush....I was looking to get an SRT4 too.... glad I didnt...
You and me both!

What the hell else did I look at before deciding on the MSP? I went to check out WRX's, but just couldn't swallow the appearance -- though they did have an STi on the lot, and that was tempting, but the price tag did it's job. Looked at the RSX Type S, but that was a lil' outta my price range. And .. I'm pretty sure I looked at the VW GTI (the 20th edition thinger, I believe), but the hatchback thing is just NOT my style.

I wonder a lot now, though .. if it would have been wiser to have just bitten the $30K price tag for an STi or EVO back in the day. With all the money I've put into modding the MSP, and having things repaired .. I just dunno.

kamon8404

10-17-2006, 10:55 PM

You and me both!

What the hell else did I look at before deciding on the MSP? I went to check out WRX's, but just couldn't swallow the appearance -- though they did have an STi on the lot, and that was tempting, but the price tag did it's job. Looked at the RSX Type S, but that was a lil' outta my price range. And .. I'm pretty sure I looked at the VW GTI (the 20th edition thinger, I believe), but the hatchback thing is just NOT my style.

I wonder a lot now, though .. if it would have been wiser to have just bitten the $30K price tag for an STi or EVO back in the day. With all the money I've put into modding the MSP, and having things repaired .. I just dunno.

All in all, you can atleast have the ability to say that you are unique, and not a cookie cutter just like everyone else. I will always fall back on that myself when I think about my car. Knowing that I'll probably not bump into a MSP every damn corner like you do hondas, subys, or evos, and the run of the mil ricer mobiles that i happen to of forgot.

daedalus

10-17-2006, 10:59 PM

I cant get 17k for mine with 23k in parts and receipts in aftermarket on it, and on 24k miles on the chassis, 7k on a built mam block... FUCKING REDICULOUS. (omg)

Allen

10-17-2006, 11:29 PM

I wonder a lot now, though .. if it would have been wiser to have just bitten the $30K price tag for an STi or EVO back in the day. With all the money I've put into modding the MSP, and having things repaired .. I just dunno.

Come'on, STi & EVOs are not invincible, unbreakable cars. I'm sure they have their share of problems too. And don't tell me you would not have been tempted to mod any of those cars.... and the cost to mod them with aftermarket parts would not be cheaper than modifying a MSP... well, for brand new parts that is.... you're talking approximately $15K worth of modification to the MSP to reach the level of a new stock STi or possibly EVO....

Rush

10-17-2006, 11:36 PM

Come'on, STi & EVOs are not invincible, unbreakable cars. I'm sure they have their share of problems too. And don't tell me you would not have been tempted to mod any of those cars.... and the cost to mod them with aftermarket parts would not be cheaper than modifying a MSP... well, for brand new parts that is.... you're talking approximately $15K worth of modification to the MSP to reach the level of a new stock STi or possibly EVO.... I'm not saying they're invincible -- but they sure as shit don't come with NEARLY as many problems outta the factory as the MSP. They aren't mapped to run like absolute retards, they don't have stock suspension clunks, their LSD's don't spontaneously break, they faithfully run more than 6 pounds of boost, and so on.

All I was saying that was to get a MSP on the same level as a stock STi or EVO -- and to do so safely -- you have to put out a shitload of money. Which, in the end, would be the same 'total cost' if you were to just have bought an STi or EVO straight-up. Hell, look at Dae' up there. Perfect example.

And of course I would've modded an STi or EVO, if that's what I'd purchased -- but really, how much needs to be done? Cosmetic stuff, sure. But engine-wise, where the MSP really guzzles up the cash? Nah. Not nearly the same investment needed to make power.

THAT is what I think about a lot these days.

Tito1

10-18-2006, 02:09 PM

I sold mine 3 months ago for $14,300 55k on it!!!!

Any hints . . . Ditto to how'd you pull that off?

My instinct was that people just don't know what the car is. And I think a lot of the people who do, do not have the funds (young) to join. All I know is that selling my MSP has become a PIA.

All stock, still warrantied with 47k miles, and I've got it listed at $12k on CL SF...I barely get a bite. Then I see '03 protege5's being sold for $9-$13k. It blows me away that the wagon has such a better resale than the limited, great handling MSP...(sad1)

speedcicle

10-18-2006, 03:03 PM

Yea i never even heard about the msp. Til one day me and my friend were drivng and i saw one at a gas station. I said " what is that orange car over there?" And my friend said "that's the mazdaspeed protege you haven't heard of them?' So i went home searched for one and found an orange one with 21k on it and bought it 3 days later. Still got it now it has 58k on it.

lisevolution

10-18-2006, 04:13 PM

I'm not saying they're invincible -- but they sure as shit don't come with NEARLY as many problems outta the factory as the MSP. They aren't mapped to run like absolute retards, they don't have stock suspension clunks, their LSD's don't spontaneously break, they faithfully run more than 6 pounds of boost, and so on.

All I was saying that was to get a MSP on the same level as a stock STi or EVO -- and to do so safely -- you have to put out a shitload of money. Which, in the end, would be the same 'total cost' if you were to just have bought an STi or EVO straight-up. Hell, look at Dae' up there. Perfect example.

And of course I would've modded an STi or EVO, if that's what I'd purchased -- but really, how much needs to be done? Cosmetic stuff, sure. But engine-wise, where the MSP really guzzles up the cash? Nah. Not nearly the same investment needed to make power.

THAT is what I think about a lot these days.

I totally hear you on this... what makes me feel ok about owning the MSP though is that within my small neighborhood alone there are 3 STi's and 2 Evo's and I've only seen 2 other MSP's at all on Long Island though I'm sure there are more than that. I didn't buy the car initially to be a rocket ship more so I owned a car that I won't bump into everywhere I go. It was the same way with my MX-6 before that. How many of those do you see with any sort of work done to them? The MSP has a soul to it... yes it costs a butt load of money for us to get them where we want to but I'd still rather spend 23K on my MSP and hold pace with an Evo than spend 35K on an Evo and be like everyone else!

Tito1

10-18-2006, 05:54 PM

The problem is that whether we as owners know how great this car is, it seems like not many other folks do. It is amaizing to me that someone would by a '03 civic (boring) for $12-$14k, while my MSP sits with a For Sale sign on it.

Yellow MSP

10-18-2006, 08:03 PM

I totally hear you on this... what makes me feel ok about owning the MSP though is that within my small neighborhood alone there are 3 STi's and 2 Evo's and I've only seen 2 other MSP's at all on Long Island though I'm sure there are more than that. I didn't buy the car initially to be a rocket ship more so I owned a car that I won't bump into everywhere I go. It was the same way with my MX-6 before that. How many of those do you see with any sort of work done to them? The MSP has a soul to it... yes it costs a butt load of money for us to get them where we want to but I'd still rather spend 23K on my MSP and hold pace with an Evo than spend 35K on an Evo and be like everyone else!

I agree 100% that they certainly are unique. Since I bought mine, I have only seen two other MSP's on the road. However I go most days without even seeing an Evo or STi, and I have an hour drive to work everyday. If I could have (and wasn't saving for a wedding or a house) I would have gotten an Evo RS ($27k invoice...should not pay much more than that) and put in an mbc, exhaust, FMIC and pipes, cams, DSMLink, and injectors. Proven mid-high 11 second car with only $3k or so in mods. Can't be beat imho.

Tito1

10-23-2006, 11:01 AM

Even if they are unique, the MSP drives like a dream. But no one, even on this board where people are aware of the Speed brand, mean nothing for the resale of this car. Look here

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123647984

and here

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123641747

Who is going to buy a Protege5 for the same price as an MSP? Chime in if this makes any sense.