View Full Version : Used Turbo Kit on ebay?!
NOmz3
10-10-2006, 10:02 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mazda-3-6-Focus-Duratec-2-0-2-3-4-cyl-Turbo-Kit_W0QQitemZ280037004089QQihZ018QQcategoryZ33742Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Found this while doing my daily browse through the ebay products. Seems to be in decent condition, don't know how many people are going to jump on this, but hey, if you've got the money I'd hop on this quick.
tlj 3
10-10-2006, 10:57 PM
Yeah man thats tight i'd jump all over that if I had the money to. bye the way I got my rotors back on today and my car drives 100% better I still have a little shimmy at higher speeds maybe my wheel bearings are bad too. Bye the way did you ever get yours fixed . Or maybe my wheels are offbalance since i repainted them.
NOmz3
10-10-2006, 11:05 PM
Nah, haven't gotten my rotors fixed. Not really too concerned with it, especially after the abuse my car went through at midnight madness lol. You ready for street battle? I can't freakin' wait, I'm in a whirlwind of madness trying to find someone to get the header installed before this coming weekend, but cash is so tight right now that I have to just hold out for the freebie favors. Been pressuring my dad, but who knows how that'll work out.
The kit looks pretty good though, I wish I had the cash for it. It's got everything, just wish my warranty was up and I hit the powerball or something.
bbrich57
10-11-2006, 12:55 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mazda-3-6-Focus-Duratec-2-0-2-3-4-cyl-Turbo-Kit_W0QQitemZ280037004089QQihZ018QQcategoryZ33742Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Found this while doing my daily browse through the ebay products. Seems to be in decent condition, don't know how many people are going to jump on this, but hey, if you've got the money I'd hop on this quick.
308hp Gracie? 316lb.ft.torque? That sounds a bit optimistic, don't ya' think? If those numbers are anywhere close to accurate I'd be afraid of that thing.
'Think he blew the engine and dumped the car?
West Jordan, UT? Isn't that where "Gambino" was/is from?
funktownp5
10-11-2006, 01:30 PM
That Precision SC34 will make more than 350WHP, it will max out about
450-475 WHP.
bbrich57
10-11-2006, 01:47 PM
OUCH!! Well then I'd definitely be afraid of that thing in my 3. (Snap, crackle, POP!)
boostdprotegelx
10-11-2006, 02:32 PM
it's pretty..build your motor and be done with it:)
Rennoc
10-11-2006, 03:00 PM
looks like it is in pretty decent shape i asked the guy why he was sellin he said his car didnt run well with it
bbrich57
10-11-2006, 03:23 PM
From the pics listed, it looks like he had it in a 3.
What do you turbo knowledgable guys think? Too much fuel (injectors too big?) Too much air (volume?) The long tubing to and from the FMIC? ECM?
'Venture a guess?
boostdprotegelx
10-11-2006, 03:26 PM
From the pics listed, it looks like he had it in a 3.
What do you turbo knowledgable guys think? Too much fuel (injectors too big?) Too much air (volume?) The long tubing to and from the FMIC? ECM?
'Venture a guess?
pretty standard problems w/ the protege is that the ECu can't handle too much. fuel pressure regulator, fuel pump, ems, injectors,...people don't diagnose so much.
It must be from the shop gambino decided not to go with. His car never got boosted, but he was going to market one for a company here. Then MAM was going to do one, and then he sold the car...
Also no mention of ANY engine management. The company here was trying to get a microtech to tune it, but to my knowledge they never did. So i don't know what they ended up using, if anything. I didn't think that they even got the car running, so if it is the same people the dyno could be BS
bbrich57
10-11-2006, 04:56 PM
pretty standard problems w/ the protege is that the ECu can't handle too much. fuel pressure regulator, fuel pump, ems, injectors,...people don't diagnose so much.
In others words, it could be almost anything. But as Jeph says, no engine management..... (ughdance)
tsunami
10-11-2006, 05:21 PM
it says in the descritpion it comes with a microtech for fuel management... everything looks good to me.. just a bit bigger turbo then i would want on a stock engine...
ahh didn't read the description. I'll talk to phil and see if they actually got it running with the microtech, better yet, ask steve at NSN if he supplied them with the microtech or not. He was the one trying to get it for them.
bbrich57
10-11-2006, 06:37 PM
... just a bit bigger turbo then i would want on a stock engine...
+1. And may I add, stock transmission, stock axles, stock suspension, stock brakes, stock wheels/tires.
You'd have to be doing an all out serious build to warrant this turbo I would think. I'm not that knowledgable about turbos in general, but to support 300+/300+ it would take a little more than a little from the rest of the car.
tsunami
10-11-2006, 07:09 PM
yeah i figured it was either the mam kit (though the manifold isn't up to the pretty standards of beau) or the one from the "other" company... not sure what the reserve is but it could be a good deal cause it is already set up with a t3 flange and an external wg with a bov and all good products...
tsunami
10-11-2006, 07:11 PM
more tranny then anything else...only heard of one guy bustin an axle and was pretty sure it was more related to abuse then actual tq... or it is a t3 flange you could just buy the kit sell the precision turbo and buy a 28r (i think thats a t3 not a t25?) or something along those lines...
a t2 flange is different than a t3 flange so you couldn't swap that turbo very easily. MAM was going to do a T3/T4 i believe but phil sold his car before all the fabbing was done
tsunami
10-11-2006, 07:39 PM
lol thats what i was sayin but the t3 flange has other options then just that turbo... there are some smaller options not a lot and some might be a journal bearing instead of a ball bearing (gt) but they are out there
bbrich57
10-11-2006, 07:43 PM
Well for the MS3 one article states that Mazda heat treated the axles to better take the 250lb.ft. torque, which is a far cry from 300+. And while no one has said anything about the CV joints that I've seen, I would hope that they are also beefier than the standard 3's too.
And Jeph, I just happened to see an adapter on eBay for the t2 to t3 turbos. I don't know any more about it than the picture which showed a flange on each side with a short box section in the middle.
bbrich57
10-11-2006, 07:45 PM
Man! This thread is sure getting a workout today!! Put the words "used" and "turbo" in a thread heading and see what happens? (lol)
How thick is the adapter? Because depending on the thickness, some of the piping for the intercooler would have to be redone for it to fit correctly. Not to mention the Downpipe may not fit anymore either if you used a different turbo, in which case you'd be better off fabbing a whole new kit...
funktownp5
10-11-2006, 07:52 PM
That turbo would be a good fit for the 2.3. Probably hit full boost right before
4K, i dont understand why people like to put small turbochargers in their kits?
(I think a GT28RS is on the smaller side of turbos)
tsunami
10-11-2006, 08:14 PM
b/c some people don't want the headache that comes with 300hp on a car that was only made to hold 160hp...
thats pretty much the first and biggest reason that comes to mind. so you then ask your self why they are modding in the first place...???
bbrich57
10-12-2006, 04:33 PM
Think of it this way, there are different levels and classes of racing aren't there? Putting 300+hp in a chassis designed for 160 means a complete make over and a lot of $$$$$.
Some of us would rather run brackets than top fuel, and that's all some of us can afford too.
bbrich57
10-12-2006, 07:49 PM
How thick is the adapter? Because depending on the thickness, some of the piping for the intercooler would have to be redone for it to fit correctly. Not to mention the Downpipe may not fit anymore either if you used a different turbo, in which case you'd be better off fabbing a whole new kit...
Here. Check them out for yourself and see. I don't know enough about it.
http://motors.search.ebay.com/t3-t4-adapter_Turbos-Nitrous-Superchargers_W0QQcatrefZC6QQfclZ3QQfgtpZQQfmmdZQQ fmmkZQQfposZQ5AIPQ2fPostalQQfromZR2QQfsooZ2QQfsopZ 2QQfyhiZQQfyloZQQlopgZQQmppfqyZt3Q20t4Q20adapterQQ sacatZ33739QQsadisZ200QQsaprchiZQQsaprcloZQQsargnZ Q2d1QQsaslcZ2QQsbrftogZ1QQsofocusZbs
Here. Check them out for yourself and see. I don't know enough about it.
http://motors.search.ebay.com/t3-t4-adapter_Turbos-Nitrous-Superchargers_W0QQcatrefZC6QQfclZ3QQfgtpZQQfmmdZQQ fmmkZQQfposZQ5AIPQ2fPostalQQfromZR2QQfsooZ2QQfsopZ 2QQfyhiZQQfyloZQQlopgZQQmppfqyZt3Q20t4Q20adapterQQ sacatZ33739QQsadisZ200QQsaprchiZQQsaprcloZQQsargnZ Q2d1QQsaslcZ2QQsbrftogZ1QQsofocusZbs
Thats a pretty significant adapter. I think changing the turbo position that much on the 3 could cause problems. There isn't much clearance back there anyways, and changing it would affect intercooler piping, and make the downpipe hang lower exposing it lower ground cleareance.
bbrich57
10-13-2006, 04:43 PM
I thought it to be fairly compact. But as you say, and from the pics I've seen of an install, there doesn't seem to be too much room back there w/a turbo. I've often wondered if it increased the heat generated inside the cabin?
So, is anyone going after this monster before the 17th?
funktownp5
10-13-2006, 05:49 PM
Think of it this way, there are different levels and classes of racing aren't there? Putting 300+hp in a chassis designed for 160 means a complete make over and a lot of $$$$$.
Some of us would rather run brackets than top fuel, and that's all some of us can afford too.
Huh? not afforable, if you pieced out this kit it would come close to $3K. Also
you dont have to spend a lot of money to be fast, just a simple set-up; like
this one and you will make great power and still be reliable. Someone should
jump all over this DEAL!; if I had a 3 I would.
something with a standalone isn't simple ;)
funktownp5
10-13-2006, 05:59 PM
something with a standalone isn't simple ;)
Whats not simple about it? Wire it in and have a tuner that actually knows
what he is doing to tune and VOLA, a car that is reliable and powerful.
A) there aren't many tuners who have dealt with the microtech, so finding one who can competently tune one isn't easy.
B) tuning a standalone isn't easy anyways. You have so many variables. Cold start, crank amps, decel fuel, partial throttle tuning, etc...
What are you running for EMS in your P5?
funktownp5
10-13-2006, 06:27 PM
A) there aren't many tuners who have dealt with the microtech, so finding one who can competently tune one isn't easy.
B) tuning a standalone isn't easy anyways. You have so many variables. Cold start, crank amps, decel fuel, partial throttle tuning, etc...
What are you running for EMS in your P5?
I am not running a stand alone (e-manage), but i can guaranty that my car
runs alot better than a lot of others. The only problem i have is that i have a
CEL from the EGR being block off whenever I put a 626 single runner manifold,
but it doesnt affect anything(25+MPG and runs like stock). I guess I am
lucky that I know a great Tuner and that he is a friend of mine.:)
I don't doubt that it runs well. I'm saying from experience, that a standalone isn't easy. I had a piggyback first, and tuning it was so much more simple, anything out of boost the stock PCM controlled, but in boost i could add and subtract fuel and timing as needed which worked really well.
When i went standalone it was much more complex to tune. You are basically starting from scratch and tuning EVERYTHING that it takes to get an engine running. At first i got terrible mileage because i couldn't get the decel values right, so i was wasting tons of fuel when i wasn't on the gas. Eventually i was able to tune it out, and got an amazing 27-30 mpg even driving it hard.
My point is you take a completely custom turbo setup, with a standalone EMS, someones daily driver, and you have just gotten yourself into a very big mess that is NOT easy to get out of. You have to have a lot of patience, time, and extra cash because something ALWAYS goes wrong.
tsunami
10-13-2006, 08:49 PM
Huh? not afforable, if you pieced out this kit it would come close to $3K. Also
you dont have to spend a lot of money to be fast, just a simple set-up; like
this one and you will make great power and still be reliable. Someone should
jump all over this DEAL!; if I had a 3 I would.
the microtech is 1400 not sure on the precision turbo but i would say probab 1g there plus the intercooler and all the piping and a bov and waste gate i would say closer to 4k just in the actual pieces let alone the fact that it works and fits... not sure where the reserve is though???
p5sundevil
10-16-2006, 02:36 PM
and while the turbo is capable of those high numbers and would require a complete buildup to handle it, who says you have to run it at those numbers...plenty of people with HiBoost or MAM kits started them at 6-7 psi untill they got forged internals, then went to 9-11psi, then when they upgrade the clutch/tranny and so forth they could mess with 12-15psi no worries.....so in theory you could get this kit at that awesome price, install and run it at low low boost untill you can afford the other upgrades.
looks like a deal to me, if I had a 3 that is....
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