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Dinos Speed6
10-09-2006, 10:50 PM
Check it out http://www.cp-e.com/2037.html?open=
buit9110
10-09-2006, 11:12 PM
thats cool can't, wait to see how our car reacts to a better turbo!
ms64meplease
10-10-2006, 12:07 AM
whatta they gonna charge for that 1500
Dinos Speed6
10-10-2006, 06:43 PM
whatta they gonna charge for that 1500

Hah count me out if it would be that much, its not a kit or anything it looks to be just that turbo.
low_psi
10-10-2006, 06:49 PM
Has anyone used an aftermarket engine management system or injectors on a MZR equipped car yet?
ms64meplease
10-10-2006, 07:36 PM
Hah count me out if it would be that much, its not a kit or anything it looks to be just that turbo.
it was just a joke because of the 500+ for A downpipe...lol material 150 time 2.5hrs avg. shop rate 70.00= 175+150=325 you see any mark up there? shop rates are to make you money so you cant add on more because the employes wages are figured by shop rate they say supply and demand i say rip off...

took me longer to unbolt the heatshield off than it did to make the 3" turbo back into dual 2.5 but hey thats just me...lol
Dinos Speed6
10-10-2006, 08:34 PM
it was just a joke because of the 500+ for A downpipe...lol material 150 time 2.5hrs avg. shop rate 70.00= 175+150=325 you see any mark up there? shop rates are to make you money so you cant add on more because the employes wages are figured by shop rate they say supply and demand i say rip off...

took me longer to unbolt the heatshield off than it did to make the 3" turbo back into dual 2.5 but hey thats just me...lol

Yea just a tad of markup, yea I dont think i could bring myself to spend 600bux for a DP, not taking anything away from cp-e but thats a little outta my range
Dinos Speed6
10-10-2006, 08:35 PM
Has anyone used an aftermarket engine management system or injectors on a MZR equipped car yet?

Not that I have heard of, then again I havent seen anything on the market in form of injectors or and ems for our cars.
ms64meplease
10-10-2006, 10:07 PM
next summer im puttin on a t4 and runnin a ems or will try to run a ems...lol depending on how hard it is to untangle the stock harness. i did the paint, wheels, strut bar in front already... rear by fri. and lowered this weekend also so i will be busy afterthat manifold, little more boost checking the egt and intake temps, i should be good for winter
jcgemt2003
10-10-2006, 11:57 PM
it was just a joke because of the 500+ for A downpipe...lol material 150 time 2.5hrs avg. shop rate 70.00= 175+150=325 you see any mark up there? shop rates are to make you money so you cant add on more because the employes wages are figured by shop rate they say supply and demand i say rip off...

took me longer to unbolt the heatshield off than it did to make the 3" turbo back into dual 2.5 but hey thats just me...lol
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ms64meplease
10-11-2006, 12:08 AM
what did you have done to start with? the downpipe makes a huge difference you will have power pulling to redline instead of falling on its face at 5k i made it boost to 17psi with a mbc didnt feel like much of a difference i think because of intake temps are way high so i put it back to stock. this is where the t4 or even a 60-1 will come in play



btw good job on the times
jcgemt2003
10-11-2006, 12:23 AM
what did you have done to start with? the downpipe makes a huge difference you will have power pulling to redline instead of falling on its face at 5k i made it boost to 17psi with a mbc didnt feel like much of a difference i think because of intake temps are way high so i put it back to stock. this is where the t4 or even a 60-1 will come in play



btw good job on the times
ms64meplease
10-11-2006, 12:24 AM
with the down pipe take it near rl its a huge difference from stock
Dinos Speed6
10-11-2006, 12:25 AM
I just payed $250 for a custom 3" downpipe installed(minus a new cat and minus stainless). Definantely feels a little more torquey...I ran 13.8 all night last week at the track....Gonna go tomorrow and see if theres any improvement since the downpipe install.
Yea when I get my car back Ill definately be looking at gettin a custom 3" downpipe with a 3" exhaust...Good times too, I need to get to a track before snowfall and see what Ill be doing.
ms64meplease
10-11-2006, 12:26 AM
all the tracks here closed but i have 1 last auto-x this weekend i got 1st last month
Dinos Speed6
10-11-2006, 12:28 AM
yea I think the 21st would be the last day for me...probably wont make it, looks like Ill have to wait until spring and mod the hell out of it.(ughdance)
jcgemt2003
10-11-2006, 12:35 AM
with the down pipe take it near rl its a huge difference from stock
ms64meplease
10-11-2006, 02:10 AM
i take it there all the time but i have no respect for the warranty hell i have no idea what that is
Wiggum
10-11-2006, 08:21 AM
A downpipe is going to help it hold boost till redline because the PCM is still going to open the wastegate to leak off boost...

If a MBC didn't do anything on your car you installed it wrong...

I don't recommend a boost controller on the car, because we don't really know if its killing the turbo, but if you want boost till 7000 rpms a boost controller will do it...

A downpipe is going to bring the boost spike earlier, and help the turbo be more efficient...
ms64meplease
10-11-2006, 10:43 AM
A downpipe is going to help it hold boost till redline because the PCM is still going to open the wastegate to leak off boost...

If a MBC didn't do anything on your car you installed it wrong...

I don't recommend a boost controller on the car, because we don't really know if its killing the turbo, but if you want boost till 7000 rpms a boost controller will do it...

A downpipe is going to bring the boost spike earlier, and help the turbo be more efficient...
dude you didnt listen very good... i had it at 17psi it just didnt feel like it helped i have a boost gauge! what im saying is its just putting out too much heat in the intake temps... its not helping its hurting performance... thats why i will be putting on a bigger turbo why buy a cheapo hybrid part to make the turbo temps go down when you can buy a bigger turbo and tne the thing
jcgemt2003
10-11-2006, 05:45 PM
dude you didnt listen very good... i had it at 17psi it just didnt feel like it helped i have a boost gauge! what im saying is its just putting out too much heat in the intake temps... its not helping its hurting performance... thats why i will be putting on a bigger turbo why buy a cheapo hybrid part to make the turbo temps go down when you can buy a bigger turbo and tne the thing
Dinos Speed6
10-11-2006, 06:12 PM
i take it there all the time but i have no respect for the warranty hell i have no idea what that is
War ran ty?? Ill google it(ughdance)
buit9110
10-11-2006, 09:48 PM
War ran ty?? Ill google it(ughdance)

hahahhaha
low_psi
10-11-2006, 10:03 PM
Not that I have heard of, then again I havent seen anything on the market in form of injectors or and ems for our cars.

I would be very wary about upgrading the turbo if that's the case. Not many aftermarket tuners understand DI systems, and even fewer(if any) have hardware capable of controlling DI systems.
ms64meplease
10-11-2006, 10:18 PM
only way is to take out the entire harness and go ems possible optronics i dont know what i will run yet i do have one sittin here...lol but i gotta get a shop manual to tell me what wires go where to do the searching for the wires alot easier
Dinos Speed6
10-11-2006, 10:56 PM
I would be very wary about upgrading the turbo if that's the case. Not many aftermarket tuners understand DI systems, and even fewer(if any) have hardware capable of controlling DI systems.

Im with you, one thing I am very sketchy about is upgrading turbos on this car, Im just waiting to see the number Ill get after all my stuff is done and after tuning in the spring, then I will make my decision on whether or not to upgrade the turbo.
ms64meplease
10-11-2006, 11:05 PM
made mine i just gotta do it...lol but i wont buy a kit that adds just a few hp i would use the whole thing
maestro
10-11-2006, 11:59 PM
I would be very wary about upgrading the turbo if that's the case. Not many aftermarket tuners understand DI systems, and even fewer(if any) have hardware capable of controlling DI systems.

Good call. Many more posts on the efficiency and power levels of this turbo. Direct Injection is available on how many cars right now?
There is still a lot of research to be done on the effects DI has on a turbo engine, limitations and benefits.
All factors should be considered, ie. heat soak, air, fuel, turbo etc...
ms64meplease
10-12-2006, 02:37 AM
only one way to find out is to try right i have no problem with failing a few times. thats how we all learn right? im willing to go with a few motors but i will succed once and thats all i will need well i hope thats all i will need

but your right about the di sys. it might be tricky but if people dont try what are you gonna do leave it stock and try to make more hp? dont happen thats why theres idiots like me who try and crack the code nobody gets it right the first time if they do its luck
low_psi
10-12-2006, 03:04 AM
I'm all for people taking the risks, as long as people like yourself and companies foot the bill.:) DI is a great system and the more progress the aftermarket makes the better. Acura and BMW have DI-turbo motors in production, so there are a few platforms to tinker with.

Shiv @ Vishnu is actually having great success milking power from the BMW 335i, power to the tune of 350whp @ 10psi!