MSP Exhaust Manifold Design - Input Needed!

[yashart_mp3]

I need your input! I am working closely with a manufacturer who is looking to make an MSP exhaust manifold. This manifold will be brought to the market (meaning available to everyone), so I think your input would be best. I repeat, this manifold will be brought to the protege community. This is not a GI or anything of that nature. I want to get some input from other members as to what kind of manifold you guys would like as well.

Please respond through the poll, and leave feedback/comments here.

1)I want to know what kind of manifold would you be interested in?

Something along the lines of this?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/yashart7/manifold1.jpg

Or something more uniform, like the one MAM offers in their 2nd Gen Sleeper kit, like this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/yashart7/emilio_turbo_kit_064.jpg


Both would have equal length runners, one would just be uniform/cemetrical (like MAM's), while the other would be more random or sporadic looking (like the first one pictured).

Performance would be the same from both. They would be made of stainless steel and retain the egr fitting as well. More information will be available as it is given to me.

2) What kind of finish would be you interested in? Stainless steel, painted black (like the one shown above), or Ceramic Coated for an additional $120-$140? Stainless steel/ painted black will be approx the same cost. Ceramic coating will be anywhere from $120 to $140 more than the stainless/painted option.


I should have a prototype available to me hopefully in a month, and they could be available to everyone as early as 2-3 months from now.

Let me know what your thoughts are! Thanks in advance :)

[CitizenPro]

Im sure the MAM style mani will be more appealing. Nice to see you working to get another mani to the market.....hows the quality, fit and finish going to be??

[yashart_mp3]

Im sure the MAM style mani will be more appealing. Nice to see you working to get another mani to the market.....hows the quality, fit and finish going to be??

I was assured that the manifold would be top notch/ race quality. Fit and finish should be exellent. Once I recieve the prototype, I will test fit it. If everything is good from there, then production will start :)

[Alejo_NIN]

what would be a price range??
coz if you guys do something lke 400$, you'll blow the competence away

[210_ZOOM]

subn

[Unispeed]

Hmm... although I am very skeptical when these types of threads come up, I would say that if it was actually gonna be for the msp the start and end locations of the flanges and that twist that is seen with the stock manifold would have to be kept. The 4 in 1 piramid collector would be nice. Equal lengh and ceramic coated. Hmmm, in the end you would end up more of less with what MAM has for their MSP tubular. Now, if you want to make something that is awsome (MAM msp manifold) and make it even better have it made out of titanium tubing and tig welded.



I need your input! I am working closely with a manufacturer who is looking to make an MSP exhaust manifold. This manifold will be brought to the market (meaning available to everyone), so I think your input would be best. I repeat, this manifold will be brought to the protege community. This is not a GI or anything of that nature. I want to get some input from other members as to what kind of manifold you guys would like as well.

Please respond through the poll, and leave feedback/comments here.

1)I want to know what kind of manifold would you be interested in?

Something along the lines of this?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/yashart7/manifold1.jpg

Or something more uniform, like the one MAM offers in their 2nd Gen Sleeper kit, like this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/yashart7/emilio_turbo_kit_064.jpg


Both would have equal length runners, one would just be uniform/cemetrical (like MAM's), while the other would be more random or sporadic looking (like the first one pictured).

Performance would be the same from both. They would be made of stainless steel and retain the egr fitting as well. More information will be available as it is given to me.

2) What kind of finish would be you interested in? Stainless steel, painted black (like the one shown above), or Ceramic Coated for an additional $120-$140? Stainless steel/ painted black will be approx the same cost. Ceramic coating will be anywhere from $120 to $140 more than the stainless/painted option.


I should have a prototype available to me hopefully in a month, and they could be available to everyone as early as 2-3 months from now.

Let me know what your thoughts are! Thanks in advance :)

[jmv]

i kinda think the sporadic design looks cool, myself. If you can get this with low cost, i'd certainly be down!!

Painted black would be kinda cool for me since my piping is powdercoated black, however i do like the bling of coated (although that adds to the price, which is a problem for me).

Hope this all works out well!!!!

[Alejo_NIN]

yeah, lets just wait for finished product...because not only msps would benefit from it... any FS engine would benefit too :)

[^tyrant^]

subin

[alexB]

I would vote for a stainless steel/polished finish. Just my opinion. I also like the more uniform look.

[susamafone]

i do believe i will sub too

[69RMSP]

i concur

[arlsmazdaspeed]

I could do the black coating but if the price is right stainless will be the choice to go with .

[69RMSP]

Id perfer the black to match my black hardpipes :P


I could do the black coating but if the price is right stainless will be the choice to go with .

[Run for Cover]

whats the priceeeeeeeeeeee

[mryellermp5]

we be subbin'

[joka1]

i like the first one personally, oh btw subbin as well ;)

[Focus]

subs

[txrxs]

I think if they both have the same gains then really which ever costs less to produce and is easier to produce would be the winner. I also believe that making the coating type an option would benefit msp owners too.

[jestermsp]

i voted ceramic sporadic. anything is good though id be down as long as she posts numbers n price is right. really would like to have the bling if not i'll just have to get it done myself.

[magnumP5]

Man, just when I'm in need of an exhaust mani too. I voted for the ceramic coated sporatic just because it looks better to me. Either way, I'd be down with whatever was cheaper really...

[chaos2015]

sub

[MSP608]

oooh me want!! hurry up n give us a finished product to check out.

[yashart_mp3]

The cost to make either design is pretty much the same. Since they will both be equal length, the amount of tubing/material will be pretty much the same. So, no one will be cheaper than the other. I just want to know what you guys would find more appealing to the eye :)

Price: I am not sure of what the cost will be. Depending upon how many are produced/ ceramic coated or not, materials, etc., Its hard to know right now. Once the prototype in completed, we should have a better idea of what these will go for.

[MSP608]

awesome, cant wait man.

[Ryoga28]

I voted for the "Uniform Manifold w/ Ceramic Coating," but I thinka any design that would produce the most power for the value is what I'm looking for. Also, I'm sure you'd understand, the wait time is not crazy.

[miss_steele_msp]

ceramic sporadic. subbin

[sandspeed]

i'm interested in a new manifold. I hope that this works out, it would be great for us mazda enthusiasts.

bump

[Unispeed]

1 manifold, 4 runners, 4 really small turbos... LOL

[Concept MSP]

Voted for Uniform Manifold w/ Ceramic Coating. I am very interested in this piece.

[SpeedBeaver]

subs

[ZenProtege]

I like the uniform design + coating. 'sporatic' just for looks seems pointless to me. Like someone else mentioned, I don't care what design it is so long as it's the best performing/ stongest manifold for the money. I have a nice crack delevoping on my manifold so hopefully this falls through soon. If not I'm going to try to retrofit a turbo manifold from another car with similar exhaust ports to my car. good luck!

[yashart_mp3]

bump for more input!

[jestermsp]

can i vote again?

[Professor MSP]

bump for more input!

If the performance increase of the two designs is approximately equal, and both cost the same to produce, then I am more or less indifferent as to the design type. That said, the deciding factor for me would be which design fit better with my Turbo Hoses hard pipes.

In either case, I prefer the ceramic coating.

[jestermsp]

true this this has to fit with all the intercoolers n stuff out their. ie. perrin!

[122 Vega]

If you make it fit, and make it available to the public you will already blow the competition away.

Britt

[gone_fishin]

seriously

[MSpeed2397]

Agreed, sub'd, and interested. I like the equal length design just because it appears more clean to me. When it comes to the MSP clean is definitely what's up in my book. I think in order to have it last as long as possible you would want a ceramic coating, but I like the appearance of SS tubing as well.

[nvmsp]

Hiboost intercooler piping, if it fits, I'm in.

[PharmacyMSP]

subbin.

big up yashart.

[122 Vega]

I don't care about the coating, I can get that done, but if I had to choose I'd go with the polished ceramic semi-uniform design (I don't think you can make one mike the MAM Sleeper Ram Horn style due to the position of the turbo and the limited room under the hood.

Also I would request that the EGR fitting is located in the same area as the stock area so we don't have to lengthen wires and cut and slice and all that crap.

If you can make this a reality, I am in for sure, however some kind of proof that the item we are paying for exists, maybe a sign with the manifolds with your screen name and forum name on t?

jk

But I'm in.

Britt

[yashart_mp3]

^^ agreed. The manifold would be as uniform as possible. This is meant to be a drop in replacement, so it should work with any intercooler piping, as well as mount right up to the stock EGR. Once the prototype is in my hands, I will know these things for sure. As I get more information, I will let everyone know.... Thanks again for your input!

[eddiejoe56]

To make this a true 'bolt in' replacement for the OEM exhaust manifold, you'll have to make sure it has the twist to the turbo flange, the EGR nipple, and the O2 sensor tapped hole. Due to the asymmetrical design of the OEM (turbo manifold is off center from 4-cylinders), equal length runners will be much more difficult to fabricate than simple four-into-one.

Make the finish an option with price adders to help satisfy the masses varying tastes. Personally, I don't see the sense in coating stainless steel, and polishing stainless for something like this seems a waste since it will only 'blue' due to the hot exhaust temperature anyways.

Just be sure all welding is properly filled (no undercut) with full penetration. Stress relief may be necessary after welding to anneal the heat effect zone of all the welds.

[BOOSTR]

I'd make it equal length and ceramic coated. You want it to fit and not discolor from the excessive heat.

[BlueBeast22]

Yeah if it fits with my Hiboost fmic... I'm def in.

[PharmacyMSP]

yashart, any word on the fitment of the prototype? Keep us posted. (peep)

[yashart_mp3]

yashart, any word on the fitment of the prototype? Keep us posted. (peep)


Nope, no word yet. Once it is in my hands, I will let you guys know. Trust me, I am just as anxious as you guys.

I plan on doing a before and after dyno to see what the gains are. My autometer gauges also allow me to datalog, so I can compare spool time, boost, etc. :)

[PharmacyMSP]

Nice.(first)

[yashooa]

^^ agreed. The manifold would be as uniform as possible. This is meant to be a drop in replacement, so it should work with any intercooler piping, as well as mount right up to the stock EGR. Once the prototype is in my hands, I will know these things for sure. As I get more information, I will let everyone know.... Thanks again for your input!

Ah so The Hebrew speaks good words.
Perhaps Yash can buy a mani from "Little Yash." :)

[69RMSP]

im excited like a little school girl (boobs2)...

[^tyrant^]

any idea when the prototype will be ready? i got a massive exhaust leak going right now. and im going to try to hold out long as i can in hopes this works out.

[69RMSP]

Just gonna bring this to the top :P

[forcedboost]

I vote for an external wastgate with a dump tube! has anybody done that with an msp yet?

[mspHtown]

are there any updates on this project?!

[zentrandi]

subs

[yashart@work]

almost the one month mark :) should have more information for you guys very very soon

[sandspeed]

almost the one month mark :) should have more information for you guys very very soon

sweet...I need a better manifold for my furture plans

[kamon8404]

what would be a price range??
coz if you guys do something lke 400$, you'll blow the competence away


I am in agreement with that! Subbin for info and hopfully a good price.

[kamon8404]

Is this going to have the stock t25 flange? Any thought into a bung for an egt gauge sensor?

[69RMSP]

Its going to have everything you need for a direct replacement


Is this going to have the stock t25 flange? Any thought into a bung for an egt gauge sensor?

[RhymesWithOrang]

Sub'n for the possibility of a direct replacement manifold that you might actually be able to buy.

[210_ZOOM]

how we looking on this project?

[Ryoga28]

bump

[yashart_mp3]

Sorry for the delay guys!

Apparently the shop ran into delays. It took them forever to get the flanges back (the flanges for the mani are laser cut and were outsourced). They do have the flanges now and have been working hard to get back up to speed.

I appologize for the delays :( Trust me, I am just as anxious to get this part as you guys are. Hopefully my contact should be getting back to me with more information again shortly, and hopefully some prototype pics :) Stay posted! (first)

[^tyrant^]

thanks for the update and keeping us posted on whats going on.

[Earful]

Subalicious...

[cmahlig]

subn fsho

[sandspeed]

nice

i know its still early but is there a projected price of the manifold or an estimate. thanks yashart

[jestermsp]

any chance for some install, progress pics?

[boostdprotegelx]

subbin for info...i like it yash. more towards the MAM design myself.

[MSP 2731]

we be subbin...

[dirtysouth_msp]

Hmmm, I wanna see...

[igdrasil]

Looks nice, hope we see something good for the MSP owners here.

Im also outsourcing fabricatos but for the FSDE in general, no competition, just some help for us. I already have 2 different desings from 2 places.

[210_ZOOM]

subn

[Unispeed]

Bump

[alexB]

Is this still gonna happen or has this been abandoned. Now that I cant get myself to sell my car and I just got the intercooler setup. I wouldnt mind getting a better exhaust manifold to add some more looks in the engine bay. Not to mention any kind of power gains also would be good.

[Earful]

Bumpage...

[kamon8404]

I believe that if you read through the thread the first sample one is currently in production. I havn't read anything on this in awhile though.

[jestermsp]

any pics at all yet?

[Kansei]

Last I heard Yashar is looking at getting an MS6.

[yashart_mp3]

Last I heard Yashar is looking at getting an MS6.

That may or may not be happening. Either way, the mani will still be produced! I haven't forgotten about you guys. I need to call the shop again and see whats going on....(poke)

[Kansei]

That may or may not be happening. Either way, the mani will still be produced! I haven't forgotten about you guys. I need to call the shop again and see whats going on....(poke)
coolness.

edit: Oh and I could go for one that is nonuniform.. kinda like the MAM MSP manifold. I just jumped onto this discussion, but do you have any idea about pricing?

[69RMSP]

I really dont care if its unitform or not. I just want a new mani..

[yashart_mp3]

Great News! The manifold will be here next week! (first)

I will be installing the manifold Thanksgiving weekend. I will be taking measurements, LOTS of pictures, and an overall review of the product. I will let the manufacturer/ supplier know about fitment issues (if any). After that, they will begin full production shortly after.

STAY POSTED!

[JOMO]

Great News! The manifold will be here next week! (first)

I will be installing the manifold Thanksgiving weekend. I will be taking measurements, LOTS of pictures, and an overall review of the product. I will let the manufacturer/ supplier know about fitment issues (if any). After that, they will begin full production shortly after.

STAY POSTED!

Nice, sub for pics/production of these. Good job helping us out with more choices of mani's.

[atticus1398]

cool, subbin

[^tyrant^]

Great News! The manifold will be here next week! (first)

I will be installing the manifold Thanksgiving weekend. I will be taking measurements, LOTS of pictures, and an overall review of the product. I will let the manufacturer/ supplier know about fitment issues (if any). After that, they will begin full production shortly after.

STAY POSTED!

awsome man... cant wait for the pics...

[GMalatrasi]

ReSubbin... Cant wait to see it

[PlatinumMSP]

a heat shield to go over the manifold would be nice so that we could hide it from cops if they pop our hoods. Cops love to give referee tickets out here in So Cal.

[MSP 2731]

niccccccccce. *two thumbs up*

[Wbriggs19061]

subin...cant wait to see what price is looking like..

[arlsmazdaspeed]

yea me to ... very interested, can't wait till pics come out....

[Andrewsmc]

I like it but we will have to wait until warrany is over :(.. Then we mod lol

[jersey_emt]

I like it but we will have to wait until warrany is over :(.. Then we mod lol


Why?

I can understand going 25,000 or 30,000 miles before modding....any major problems that would had come up due to flaws probably would come up before that point. Besides, Mazda has voided warrantees on stock cars before...

[Andrewsmc]

Why?

I can understand going 25,000 or 30,000 miles before modding....any major problems that would had come up due to flaws probably would come up before that point. Besides, Mazda has voided warrantees on stock cars before...


yea.... but im kinda scared to haha...

[Wbriggs19061]

i got my msp used last november and voided it by the end of december lol..so im ready for the manifold...

[Concept MSP]

Can't wait to see it. Still very interested.

[sandspeed]

Can't wait to see it. Still very interested.
(mswerd)(mswerd)

[GhostMercury]

sooo subbin cause i want this sooooooo bad..its def my next mod...we looking at any gains for this

[kicker22705]

i've been waiting for one to replace my cracked stock one. subbin for more info and pics.

[GhostMercury]

any updates on this now?

[GhostMercury]

i def think its time for an update...anybody?

[69RMSP]

i concur...


this has happend somany times with this type of product..

i hope it doesnt happen with this one.

[GhostMercury]

i hope it hasnt fallen through cause WE NEED THIS

[yashart_mp3]

Great News! The manifold will be here next week! (first)

I will be installing the manifold Thanksgiving weekend. I will be taking measurements, LOTS of pictures, and an overall review of the product. I will let the manufacturer/ supplier know about fitment issues (if any). After that, they will begin full production shortly after.

STAY POSTED!


please be patient... bump for the people who missed this post ^^

[69RMSP]

i suck at trolling.

btw how much did u pay for it?

[Kansei]

Yeah I must have missed that part too.. any idea how much it'll be?I doubt I'll even be turboed by the time the group buy starts but it's worth a shot.

[Andrewsmc]

Bump!

[Unispeed]

although I should be getting the mam manifold very shortly I am interested in pics of this one... tubular manifolds are works of art in themselves... curious to see the shape of it.

[69RMSP]

mam sucks ;/


although I should be getting the mam manifold very shortly I am interested in pics of this one... tubular manifolds are works of art in themselves... curious to see the shape of it.

[Kansei]

although I should be getting the mam manifold very shortly I am interested in pics of this one... tubular manifolds are works of art in themselves... curious to see the shape of it.

He totally shipped it out 8 months ago, didn't you get the memo?

[GhostMercury]

He totally shipped it out 8 months ago, didn't you get the memo?

haha thats funny lol..im hopeing this comes out with a reasonable price and in time for christmas

[Earful]

So...just curious...what do you consider a reasonable price for a custom turbo manifold? Also looking into a solution for the FS-DE....

[alexB]

So I looked at my stock manifold today and the crack seems to be getting longer. Could just be my imagination though. Would a crack in the manifold cause a kinda deep whine like noise from the car. I just insatlled a solid rear mount also. Didnt really notice the noise till now though. I cant wait for the pics. I need a new manifold soon.

[magnumP5]

Would be nice if these come out before I get all my turbo stuff installed but since that is going to be in like a month I don't forsee that happening. I guess it won't be too hard to install one of these though :) .

[Earful]

Bumpity....

[910MSPRacer]

nething over the cast iron mani we got. cant wait for the finished product...........u deff got my money!!!!!

[mdl247]

bumpers would like 2 c pics and prices already

[igdrasil]

So I looked at my stock manifold today and the crack seems to be getting longer. Could just be my imagination though. Would a crack in the manifold cause a kinda deep whine like noise from the car. I just insatlled a solid rear mount also. Didnt really notice the noise till now though. I cant wait for the pics. I need a new manifold soon.

Yes it will sound like that, louder as the cracks get bigger, longer spoolup, you loose pressure there.

[122 Vega]

Cash waiting!

[Earful]

Hey all,
My shop has interest in fabricating manifolds for our FS-DE engines. They will be full SUS Ram-Horn design, TIG welded beauties. The price would be around the same as MAM's, much better quality. They want to gauge interest on building 5-10 of these, so I am looking into having one built to show everyone here. I would get the appropriate status and handle the orders. What say, our fine, Mazda friends?

[Kansei]

Would it be an MSP replacement manifold? If so I'd say there's quite a bit of interest as I don't think there is an aftermarket manifold available right now with MAM gone. It all depends on what the price ends up being. I think you could get more than 5-10 people to pay up :)

[210_ZOOM]

does it bolt up to stock turbo? What is the est. price? <500 Maybe >500 WOAH. Would love to see a b4 & after dyno w/ these. Let us know some more info there EARFUL. How long turnaround time. Would it require downpayment. Let us know.

[69RMSP]

Not to many people are interested in mani's that cost 1000.

I myself would rather have "go" rather then "show and go"


Hey all,
My shop has interest in fabricating manifolds for our FS-DE engines. They will be full SUS Ram-Horn design, TIG welded beauties. The price would be around the same as MAM's, much better quality. They want to gauge interest on building 5-10 of these, so I am looking into having one built to show everyone here. I would get the appropriate status and handle the orders. What say, our fine, Mazda friends?

[Wbriggs19061]

(poke) hopefully its getting installed this weekend like yashart mp3 was saying..

[alexB]

(poke) hopefully its getting installed this weekend like yashart mp3 was saying..

I am willing to pay about $600-$700 ish area. Maybe more depending on quality.
I really need a replacement soon. So the sooner somebody has one I can buy the better.

[Wbriggs19061]

less then $800 is good for me hopefully its in that area. the mam one was outta my budget lol

[Rush]

I'm now definitely interested in this as well, since I just found out that my stock exhaust manifold has enough cracks in it to kill the friggin' world.

[sandspeed]

Hey all,
My shop has interest in fabricating manifolds for our FS-DE engines. They will be full SUS Ram-Horn design, TIG welded beauties. The price would be around the same as MAM's, much better quality. They want to gauge interest on building 5-10 of these, so I am looking into having one built to show everyone here. I would get the appropriate status and handle the orders. What say, our fine, Mazda friends?

Interested(peep)

[Earful]

Bump.....will get some pics up of the work. The price my sources tell me will be aprox. $1150.00 for a custom hand-fabbed, full SUS (including flange), ram-horn design for the MSP. Includes full lifetime warranty against leaks and cracks. Other applications, T03/4 flanges possible as well.

[Earful]

shipping included...

[210_ZOOM]

dam, is that w/ a GB? or individual?

[mazdaspeedwerx]

I have not read any of this thread. so in sayin that I would like to know if this is or has been made. also what the cost will be. sorry for my laziness

[Wbriggs19061]

I have not read any of this thread. so in sayin that I would like to know if this is or has been made. also what the cost will be. sorry for my laziness

ur post #134....read post #131/132

[mikesMSP12]

subbin

[GhostMercury]

wow that price is way to much for me..your almost up to the price of a highboost buget kit..idk if it will be worth it

[Bala]

Interested(peep)

X2

[mazdaspeedwerx]

ur post #134....read post #131/132
ahh thank you. I dont think 1150 is that great of a price. I mean there was a reason mam quit making them.

[mspHtown]

i was under teh impression this manifold was going to be cheaper than MAMs?

dont get me wrong, another option for the msp is awesome but i thought the whole idea was to build an affordable manifold.

[Wbriggs19061]

yea that price is alittle outta my range to for just the manifold..maybe if they had a manifold and downpipe combo for that..

[69RMSP]

Guys that price 1150, is from another shop. This thread is about a diff shop so no worries about that price..

[Wbriggs19061]

oh shit ur right i just went back a read it..lol..hopefully yashart mp3's shop is near philly somewhere..closer to me lol

[210_ZOOM]

man, i didnt catch that. good eye

[igdrasil]

yeah, way overpriced. Even the manifold sold here from the 600whp FSDE builder cost $650

[alexB]

Well I know a shop online that is gauging interest on this subject. If interest is good enough then they plan on making them aimed at no more than $599.99. Maybe less.

[redline7500]

defenatly interested will buy it as soon as it hits production and of coarse when I have the money at hand. No worrys already saving.

[Wbriggs19061]

Well I know a shop online that is gauging interest on this subject. If interest is good enough then they plan on making them aimed at no more than $599.99. Maybe less.

im all about that price lol

[alexB]

im all about that price lol
PM me for details if interested.

[Dugg E Fresh]

Anxious to see pics if yashart installed this last weekend? Shit, I'll settle for uninstalled pics at this point. I'm broke as a joke, but come Feb/Mar, that's bonus time baby!!

[mdl247]

this sux its only gauging interest with no products. i have read threads like this a lot already yea a lot of people seem interested but thats all it is. Kinda seems like me waiting for my mani from beau. lets c a product already.

[jmv]

this sux its only gauging interest with no products. i have read threads like this a lot already yea a lot of people seem interested but thats all it is. Kinda seems like me waiting for my mani from beau. lets c a product already.


well yashart has said that the prototype mani is currently in production, and should be done soon. He's not just sitting on his ass or anything (well i guess he kind of is, because its the shop that we're waiting on, but you know what i mean). If you can't wait that long maybe you should go find a shop to make you a custom mani?? Not trying to attack you, but you really shouldn't be upset that this guy is trying to get more aftermarket parts made for our cars.

[69RMSP]

I'm sure yashart_mp3 is going to shine some light on us soon.

[mdl247]

well yashart has said that the prototype mani is currently in production, and should be done soon. He's not just sitting on his ass or anything (well i guess he kind of is, because its the shop that we're waiting on, but you know what i mean). If you can't wait that long maybe you should go find a shop to make you a custom mani?? Not trying to attack you, but you really shouldn't be upset that this guy is trying to get more aftermarket parts made for our cars.

well not really taking it as an attack but i know what you mean its jus fustrating cuz i live on the big island of hawaii i don't have that kinda luxuries here so i have to depend on the mainland folks to build stuff like that. also since he's getting the prototype and i appreciate all the stuff he's tryin to help us out on but like to be updated cuz i thought he was supposed to have the mani already? i mean if didn't come in yet keep us posted we are all dyin for it, well maybe not we but i am. Oh and also not mad its kinda hard to show sarcasm when your typin(glare) . no real facial expression can be shown.

[122 Vega]

$1150 is a bit much. even with today's ss prices. I will pay cash for whomever brings the first one to market. Howabout that? But, the O2 bung needs to be in the stock location, and in the pyramid, not in one of the runners, needs to fit with stock pipes, and who cares about coating? I'll get that done. without coating, the mani shouldn't cost over $750 shipped.

Britt

[jmv]

$1150 is a bit much. even with today's ss prices. I will pay cash for whomever brings the first one to market. Howabout that? But, the O2 bung needs to be in the stock location, and in the pyramid, not in one of the runners, needs to fit with stock pipes, and who cares about coating? I'll get that done. without coating, the mani shouldn't cost over $750 shipped.

Britt


just to make sure you know, there has been talk of two different manis in this thread... yashart is having one made that will hopefully be cheaper, and someone else is going for a more pricey one.

[Earful]

$1150 is a bit much. even with today's ss prices. I will pay cash for whomever brings the first one to market. Howabout that? But, the O2 bung needs to be in the stock location, and in the pyramid, not in one of the runners, needs to fit with stock pipes, and who cares about coating? I'll get that done. without coating, the mani shouldn't cost over $750 shipped.

Britt

Disagree this is a "bit much" for custom designed hand-fabbed full SUS turbo manifold. But thats your opinion, and you dont have to buy one. Elaborate on the O2 sensor please, I dont believe the MAM manifolds even had one. This piece is a thing of beauty and needs no coating!

[69RMSP]

Personally I wouldnt mind something like the OBX mani.

[MSpeed2397]

I believe that she's saying the O2 reading will be more accurate if the sensor bung is placed in a different spot on the mani (being next to the pyramid collector), but in the same spot as far as the engine bay is concerned (no wire cutting/splicing). Correct me if I'm wrog Britt.

[122 Vega]

Disagree this is a "bit much" for custom designed hand-fabbed full SUS turbo manifold. But thats your opinion, and you dont have to buy one. Elaborate on the O2 sensor please, I dont believe the MAM manifolds even had one. This piece is a thing of beauty and needs no coating!

Well, first off, I'm a guy, my avitar is my now ex-wife, my best friend.

You're right, I don't have to buy one. But I didn't have to buy a MAM one either. That cost her almost $900 and I now have nothing to show for it. It did have an O2 sensor bung, you had to relocate the sensor to the left side of the manifold.

I know there are two different manifolds being discussed here, it's thread jacking...

"Thing of beauty and needs no coating" What are you talking about? An imaginary manifold? How is it a thing of beauty when no one has seen it yet? Whatever.

The MAM O2 sensor placement was in the #1 cylinder runner, above the merge point inside the manifold. I would like to see a true bolt on replacement as the MAM was advertised, but it was not.

As I said before, cash for whichever quality part that comes to market first - coated or uncoated.

BTW, not including his labor, I know exactly how much Beau had into each manifold for materials, so I can judge what a fair price is.

Would I pay $1200? At this point, probably. But that doesn't mean that it should cost that much, we're just a captive audience.

Britt

[Earful]

Thanks for the elaboration, Britt. I know you are a guy....never having actually seeing a MAM manifold, I wasnt aware of the O2 bung, only the egr fitting. Me thinks it could be positioned at the merge collector, doesnt seem to be a problem there. I will take some pictures of other models of these manifolds that have been manufactured and post them here. In negotiations right now for one for a MSP. Britt, PM me....

[Earful]

These are pictures of a custom manifold this shop will do, and are representative of what the Protege will look like except more of a ram-horm style. This one is polished and is fine in fit and finish....

[magnumP5]

These are pictures of a custom manifold this shop will do, and are representative of what the Protege will look like except more of a ram-horm style. This one is polished and is fine in fit and finish....
Look pretty good - keep us informed. Definitely check on the EGR and O2 bungs as well...

[Bala]

These are pictures of a custom manifold this shop will do, and are representative of what the Protege will look like except more of a ram-horm style. This one is polished and is fine in fit and finish....

That's top-notch work.

[mdl247]

These are pictures of a custom manifold this shop will do, and are representative of what the Protege will look like except more of a ram-horm style. This one is polished and is fine in fit and finish....

that looks sexy to me also is it equal length mani with pyramid and will it leave all the msp turbo stuff in stock location?

[GhostMercury]

what kinda price we looking at cause i think thats what everyone wants to know first

[Earful]

GhostMercury...you have already voiced a response on this question...read posts #131-#132....

[boostdprotegelx]

looks good. is this a stock positioned type of manifold? i like it.

[Crazee D]

Any ETA on price from other shop?

[otmsp]

when will this item be available ?

[yashart_mp3]

Earful,

I appreciate you wanting to help the community by having a manifold made as well. However, my information is getting confused with your information. Please start your own thread with details pertaining to your manifold.

Also, please remove the picture of your manifold. What you posted, as you said "is a representation" of what your manifold will look like. That "representation" you posted can be found on ebay: Seen HERE (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/s13-s14-240sx-ca18det-bottom-mount-t25-turbo-manifold_W0QQitemZ300052412646QQihZ020QQcategoryZ3 3742QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Once again, I appreciate your willingness to help, but I do not want my manifold getting confused with yours.


Now for an Update for everyone else:

As it turns out, I never recieved the manifold from the manufacturer. He is either blowing hot air up my ass, or dragging his feet more than what I find to be acceptable. (pissed) I will continue to "wait" for his manifold to finish being produced, but in the meanwhile, I am going to have another company start fabbing one up as well. I have sourced another MSP manifold which I will be dropping off at the new shop shortly.

On my behalf, I appologize for the delays. Although it is out of my control, I am trying my hardest to get a manifold in production ASAP. There are a lot, behind the scenes, trying to make this happen. Thanks again for your patience, support, and understanding.

[Earful]

The goal is to fabricate a direct replacement for the MSP...but this could be used on all FS-DE, i.e P5....I have contacted Antoine and am waiting on some administrative stuff. These will be available on a per-order based basis...

[otmsp]

so in other words you can get it in ebay for $125 or from this one guy for $1150.....I think somebody is trying to make a quick buck or they are full of shit.

[Kansei]

The goal is to fabricate a direct replacement for the MSP...but this could be used on all FS-DE, i.e P5....I have contacted Antoine and am waiting on some administrative stuff. These will be available on a per-order based basis...

Definitely let us know when you have a thread set up for it. I'm sure I'll be fine with my MSP manifold for a while but it's always good to know what's out there for upgrades.

[Earful]

Earful,

I appreciate you wanting to help the community by having a manifold made as well. However, my information is getting confused with your information. Please start your own thread with details pertaining to your manifold.

Also, please remove the picture of your manifold. What you posted, as you said "is a representation" of what your manifold will look like. That "representation" you posted can be found on ebay: Seen HERE (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/s13-s14-240sx-ca18det-bottom-mount-t25-turbo-manifold_W0QQitemZ300052412646QQihZ020QQcategoryZ3 3742QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Once again, I appreciate your willingness to help, but I do not want my manifold getting confused with yours.


Now for an Update for everyone else:

As it turns out, I never recieved the manifold from the manufacturer. He is either blowing hot air up my ass, or dragging his feet more than what I find to be acceptable. (pissed) I will continue to "wait" for his manifold to finish being produced, but in the meanwhile, I am going to have another company start fabbing one up as well. I have sourced another MSP manifold which I will be dropping off at the new shop shortly.

On my behalf, I appologize for the delays. Although it is out of my control, I am trying my hardest to get a manifold in production ASAP. There are a lot, behind the scenes, trying to make this happen. Thanks again for your patience, support, and understanding.

Yes....yashart_mp3...that manifold I posted is definately a 240SX one...but not a imported POS like the link you included. Look at the welds...not the same! The last thing I want to do is confuse this thread, I am sorry you feel this way, I dont get the impression others were confused, but I wont be starting another thread on this. Just trying to help the Protege community with more choices. The shop that is doing these has not fabbed one yet, and they arent for "production". This shops work is nationally known, you can find the individual fabbing these featured in the Haynes Xtreme Customizing series for the Honda Civic
ISBN 1563925281 (http://www.buy.com/prod/haynes-xtreme-customizing-honda-civic/q/loc/106/39857636.html)


Sorry for the confusion...

[yashart_mp3]

The goal is to fabricate a direct replacement for the MSP...but this could be used on all FS-DE, i.e P5....I have contacted Antoine and am waiting on some administrative stuff. These will be available on a per-order based basis...


As I said before, I appreciate you trying to help the community as well.

That being said, I already know what the goal is. We share the same goal. However, I am not trying to mislead people or give anything but the truth. What you posted, were pics of a manifold that can be found on ebay. To me, that is misrepresentation. How can you say that a $1100 manifold is going to look like a $130 manifold found on ebay? I do not want people thinking that I am having ebay quality parts produced.

I asked nicely and do not want to start a flame war. Please start your own GI thread with details for your product there. Thank you

[MSpeed2397]

Earful: yashart is not trying to be an ass, just trying to keep his thread on topic and free of confusion. Totally understandable as that's what I did when I was thinking of getting a custom mani fabricated. You should start your own thread for a GI topic anyways.

[MSP608]

earful unless you have something regarding yasharts manifold to talk about, then you should make your own thread for your manifold. since yash is waiting on the manufacturer you have kind of taken over and diluted his thread. oh and it is confusing with all the quoted numbers flying around and what not.

[GhostMercury]

wow this thread should be deleted then yashart should start a new one cause now i dont know whos talking about what manifold and the prices for what manifold and pics for what maifold

[GhostMercury]

GhostMercury...you have already voiced a response on this question...read posts #131-#132....

and that is for your manifold..not yasharts

[alexB]

wow this thread should be deleted then yashart should start a new one cause now i dont know whos talking about what manifold and the prices for what manifold and pics for what maifold

I agree that something like this NEEDS to be done. Either clean it up or close it and start a new one.

[MSP608]

werd. theres way too many numbers flying around

[jmv]

words, words, words, words........

[mdl247]

damn everyone needs to fricken chill out and if peepz will read the thread from the begining and not skim through shit then no one would gete lost in so called numbers and prices. i understand yash's point of view and also earful's. since yash started the thread then i would call it his thread and he's is being very professional about asking to have an a new thread for earful's mani, but saying that earful is also tryin to help the community and since people are already lookin at this one then why not mention something about another that can be had possibly. don't need to close thread people needs to read things through and they will be fine and stick the the original post since yash has asked to keep it on topic which is his gi on his mani.

[Earful]

damn everyone needs to fricken chill out and if peepz will read the thread from the begining and not skim through shit then no one would gete lost in so called numbers and prices. i understand yash's point of view and also earful's. since yash started the thread then i would call it his thread and he's is being very professional about asking to have an a new thread for earful's mani, but saying that earful is also tryin to help the community and since people are already lookin at this one then why not mention something about another that can be had possibly. don't need to close thread people needs to read things through and they will be fine and stick the the original post since yash has asked to keep it on topic which is his gi on his mani.

right....I respect Yash's requests...I will no longer be contributing to this thread, no big deal. Dont know if I will start my own.....

[otmsp]

good

[GhostMercury]

so to clear up all confusion yashart whats the latest news..even if its old repost it here to clear up confusion

[69RMSP]

He'll most likely make a new thread when the mani is complete.

[otmsp]

bump fer updates...

[speed whiz]

The mazdaspeed protege is a very well rounded platform, but the after marketplace has not recognized the potential of the mazda fs-de. I think contributing a manifold to the mazdaspeed protege community is needed since the stock manifold is crap and cracks easily. I like the two pictures of the way the manifold could look. So keep doing what you are doing.

[MSP608]

The mazdaspeed protege is a very well rounded platform, but the after marketplace has not recognized the potential of the mazda fs-de. I think contributing a manifold to the mazdaspeed protege community is needed since the stock manifold is crap and cracks easily. I like the two pictures of the way the manifold could look. So keep doing what you are doing.

i think the reason the aftermarket hasnt realized the fs-de's potential, is bc it doesnt really have any potential.

[Kansei]

The mazdaspeed protege is a very well rounded platform, but the after marketplace has not recognized the potential of the mazda fs-de. I think contributing a manifold to the mazdaspeed protege community is needed since the stock manifold is crap and cracks easily. I like the two pictures of the way the manifold could look. So keep doing what you are doing.

The stock manifold is really good. why do you say it's crap?

callaway isn't some junk no-name company.. they know their shit.

[69RMSP]

and a 93 civic dx hatch does?

and dont say cause of production because tim pretty sure they made acuple protege's



i think the reason the aftermarket hasnt realized the fs-de's potential, is bc it doesnt really have any potential.

[boostdprotegelx]

and a 93 civic dx hatch does?

and dont say cause of production because tim pretty sure they made acuple protege's
i'm sure most civic hatches get swapped for the b16 or bigger.. don't know many d16 hatches running around w/ good builds..there's a couple..just not many.

[MSP608]

i'm sure most civic hatches get swapped for the b16 or bigger.. don't know many d16 hatches running around w/ good builds..there's a couple..just not many.

thats kinda what i was getting at. a 93 dx hatch doesnt have a great motor, neither does the protege. but the honda boys have plenty of options with the b seires, h seires, ls and cr/vtec combo's. what does the protege have? i guess the fs-ze but i havent heard of too many people out there running those.

[boostdprotegelx]

thats kinda what i was getting at. a 93 dx hatch doesnt have a great motor, neither does the protege. but the honda boys have plenty of options with the b seires, h seires, ls and cr/vtec combo's. what does the protege have? i guess the fs-ze but i havent heard of too many people out there running those.
gotcha. well..the motor-FS has been around for a while. the only decent swap i know of is the V6 ...KL? or something out of a 626..but i'll stick w/ my 4 banger FS motor. it's fun enough.

[speed whiz]

Callaway needs to stick to corvettes. Because import tuning aint they thang.
First of all they use a s pipe setup which sucks! secondly: the callaway design is under so much stress it cracks the manifold. Thrid: but not least the manifold warps with too much boost. I dont think that those are traits of a good manifold! Right??!!!!!

[low_psi]

speed whiz, do you really think the design of the MSP turbo system was not well thought out? The Callaway package is compact and works well. Yes there are things that can be improved upon, but there are other considerations aside from power output.

Where did you hear manifolds are warping due to too much boost? How could that even warp the manifold? Was the person running 20psi+ and just creating excessive heat?

[speed whiz]

Well if you haven't herd! some mazda enthuiast have been able to crack the 12's and even the 11's mark in 1/4 mile runs. The only reason the MSP was over looked in the market place becuase mazda is known for its rotary race engine and there was only to be 1700 (give or take a little) MSP's made. In the scca races the msp did Quite well staying in the top poles. If that dosen't show potential I dont know what dose?

[low_psi]

What are you talking about?

[speed whiz]

Originaly the MSP was Designed for handling and not power in mind and has even won a award for handling but it also sported a 170hp fs-de at 6.5 psi with an garrett t25 ball bearing turbo. The car is also light much power wasn't needed to go fast but callaways poor turbo asembley robs the exhuast flow decreasing power now that we know the ghl turbo system is a 15 to 20 horse difference. My manifold is warped from a boost controller being stuck open running 17psi! Most turbo cars come factory at 15psi.

I orderd from mentaladdiction a tubular turbo manifold for $1200 5 months ago because the stock manifold sucks

[Kansei]

good luck getting that mental addition manifold.. it's a nice piece, but you'll probably never see it sadly.

[MSP608]

Originaly the MSP was Designed for handling and not power in mind and has even won a award for handling but it also sported a 170hp fs-de at 6.5 psi with an garrett t25 ball bearing turbo. The car is also light much power wasn't needed to go fast but callaways poor turbo asembley robs the exhuast flow decreasing power now that we know the ghl turbo system is a 15 to 20 horse difference. My manifold is warped from a boost controller being stuck open running 17psi! Most turbo cars come factory at 15psi.

I orderd from mentaladdiction a tubular turbo manifold for $1200 5 months ago because the stock manifold sucks

originally the msp was an mp3 and the callaway/garrett package was exactly what mazda wanted step it up. the mp3 tested well, the suspension was awesome and it got great reviews, but go read each mp3 review. just about each one says 'if only it had 30 more hp.' and this is how mazda achieved this with the callaway/garrett. its mazdas ecu tune/lack of rebuilt engine that cause its downfall. it was given a pig rich setup to prevent possbily detonation, and the engine was not beefed up at all. reason for this? cost. they wanted to keep the price down near the low 20's

[speed whiz]

I just want my money back. And if DC wasn't bullshiting there would already be a stock MSP replacement

[speed whiz]

im with ya brother.

[speed whiz]

Maybe keeping the cost at 21,000 was the issue but if u can get a srt4 neon for 19,000 and have more power, with out handeling, and take the extra 2,000 you didn't spend on the msp and bye a coil suspension for the car and that would even up the stats.The msp has a stainless crank from the factory and the bottom end can support up to 300 hp without blowing up so far. So the engine isnt the same as a regular fs block plus mazda olnly made 1700 msp's nationwide meaning low numbers for aftermarket venders to work with. If anything I think the turbo setup for the msp was somthing thron to gether in a hurry just to make it work thats why the ecu is so shitty. After all it is the only mazdaspeed car with two versions.

[Kansei]

Yes, it is the same EXACT block as ALL OTHER 2.0 PROTEGES. They also didn't make 1700, they made something more like 3500 or so for the states.

ugh.. please get your information right before you start giving everyone the wrong idea.

[Earful]

Dude....do you even have a Mazda?

[Kansei]

Dude....do you even have a Mazda?

I highly doubt it. Misinformation makes me cry :(

[low_psi]

This guy makes me cry. So much rambling and mis-information its disturbing.

[MP3racer]

Maybe keeping the cost at 21,000 was the issue but if u can get a srt4 neon for 19,000 and have more power, with out handeling, and take the extra 2,000 you didn't spend on the msp and bye a coil suspension for the car and that would even up the stats.The msp has a stainless crank from the factory and the bottom end can support up to 300 hp without blowing up so far. So the engine isnt the same as a regular fs block plus mazda olnly made 1700 msp's nationwide meaning low numbers for aftermarket venders to work with. If anything I think the turbo setup for the msp was somthing thron to gether in a hurry just to make it work thats why the ecu is so shitty. After all it is the only mazdaspeed car with two versions.

Stainless crank.....where did you get that one????
The MSP has the exact same motor as a 2003 ES model Protege with the turbo package and ECU added on (plus some interior and suspension stuff) at the port in Texas. The MP3 had the cams and ECU from the Japanese FS-ZE motor (with the interior and suspension stuff)

The turbo package was not "thrown on". It was a serious developed package by Calloway. They actually developed significantly more power than the final 170 HP Mazda allowed. Mazda asked them to "detune" the package since they knew the standard tranny would not hold up to much more than that (as I can attest to for sure in the race car ).

Any more thoughts or statements???? (glare)

[mspHtown]

Maybe keeping the cost at 21,000 was the issue but if u can get a srt4 neon for 19,000 and have more power, with out handeling, and take the extra 2,000 you didn't spend on the msp and bye a coil suspension for the car and that would even up the stats.The msp has a stainless crank from the factory and the bottom end can support up to 300 hp without blowing up so far. So the engine isnt the same as a regular fs block plus mazda olnly made 1700 msp's nationwide meaning low numbers for aftermarket venders to work with. If anything I think the turbo setup for the msp was somthing thron to gether in a hurry just to make it work thats why the ecu is so shitty. After all it is the only mazdaspeed car with two versions.

(rofl) not smart at all.

[speed whiz]

The mazdaspeed tranny was built to sustain power with bigger drive axels, a lsd and different gears. No roger this isnt't your tiptcal mazda tranny. Looking for a crank try street unit I heard they have a crank? And if mazda only allowed 170hp why didn't they just give it the Familia sport 20 motor or a fs-ze.

[speed whiz]

Same block not the same internals thats why it's called a fs-de.

[speed whiz]

Same block not the same internals thats why it's called a fs-de.

[otmsp]

are you on crack dude?

[Dugg E Fresh]

Yash, you out there?? Any new info? You might want to update this thread with a link as you undoubtedly will need to start a new one if/when this manifold might be produced (just a suggestion). I'm guessing 15 pages including another possible mani is enough to confuse/irritate ppl. Don't really have funds at the moment, but I sure am interested in something better than stock to match up with a new exhaust this summer. Otherwise my only other options are to pay out the ass for a one-of-a-kind fabricated one or try a bore/polish/hone on the stock callaway.

Thanks.

[speed whiz]

Dude....do you even have a Mazda?

yes it's a 2003.5 msp
b&m short shifter
Flowmaster exhuast
nology wires
xs boost controller
injen cold air intake
tein springs
exedy stage 2 clutch
apexi electronic box
m3 mirrors
speed hut guages
tenzo petals
jdm headlights
greddy turbo timer
17inch black oxygen rims
greddy type r bow off valve

[speed whiz]

are you on crack dude?
are you

[otmsp]

its my favorite thing to do but when i`m on it i try to stay away from the boards!

[MP3racer]

The mazdaspeed tranny was built to sustain power with bigger drive axels, a lsd and different gears. No roger this isnt't your tiptcal mazda tranny. Looking for a crank try street unit I heard they have a crank? And if mazda only allowed 170hp why didn't they just give it the Familia sport 20 motor or a fs-ze.


Sorry...the Mazdaspeed Protege has the exact same gears in the tranny as any 2001-2003 LX or ES tranny.....

And yes stock HP for the MSP is 170HP....the MSP motor is referred to as the FS-DET but is exactly the same as any Protege motor from 2001-2003 internally!!!

[otmsp]

Sorry...the Mazdaspeed Protege has the exact same gears in the tranny as any 2001-2003 LX or ES tranny.....

And yes stock HP for the MSP is 170HP....the MSP motor is referred to as the FS-DET but is exactly the same as any Protege motor from 2001-2003 internally!!!
thank you sir! I`m going to smoke a rock now!

[jmv]

speed whiz, with your disbelief in everything everyone here is TRYING to tell you about these cars, why don't you check out http://www.protegefaq.net/ so we can stop shitting all over yasharts thread.

Any new info yashart?

[MSP608]

yes it's a 2003.5 msp
b&m short shifter
Flowmaster exhuast
nology wires
xs boost controller
injen cold air intake
tein springs
exedy stage 2 clutch
apexi electronic box
m3 mirrors
speed hut guages
tenzo petals
jdm headlights
greddy turbo timer
17inch black oxygen rims
greddy type r bow off valve

judging by your m3 mirrors and tenzo petals you simply have no clue what youre talking about

[otmsp]

bow off valve....I want one

[otmsp]

bow off valve....I want one

[otmsp]

bow off valve....I want one

[MSP608]

also whats an apexi electronic box??

[Alejo_NIN]

he has the mandatory greddy bow off, is an upgraded to the now discontinued type s blow off...

and he has a box with electronics in it...
shit, that car is mad sick yo'
betta no fuck wit it

[Alejo_NIN]

actually, engine wise...it hasn't changed much since 1993 on the 626-mx6-probe


[edit] FS
The 2.0 L (1991 cm³) FS was one of the last F-family engines. With an 83 mm bore and 92 mm stroke, it produced 130 hp (97 kW) and 135 ft·lbf (183 N·m). In 1998 the engine underwent several changes, most notably a distributorless ignition and was called the FSDE.

Applications:

1993-2002 Mazda 626
1993-1997 Mazda MX-6
1999-2001 Mazda MPV (Japan)
1999-2003 Mazda Capella
2001-2003 Mazda Protegé
1993-1997 Ford Probe
A special turbocharged version of the FS was produced for the 2003 Mazdaspeed Protegé. It produced 170 hp (127 kW) and 160 ft·lbf (217 N·m).
In Japan a higher-performance version of the 1993-1997 FS engine was offered with a distributorless ignition and higher compression ratio, known as the FSZE.

[Dugg E Fresh]

speed whiz, with your disbelief in everything everyone here is TRYING to tell you about these cars, why don't you check out http://www.protegefaq.net/ so we can stop shitting all over yasharts thread.

Any new info yashart? X10
I myself want to point out the stupid shit this guy is writing, but I'd rather c info on a much better mani than the one I have. That's why I'm subscribed to this thread.

[MSP608]

doubt well see an actual production manifold. all this was just stirred up for basically no reason. good luck seeing an actual turbo manifold for the msp. other than the MAM there is nothing out there as for factory replacement.

[Dugg E Fresh]

doubt well see an actual production manifold. all this was just stirred up for basically no reason. good luck seeing an actual turbo manifold for the msp. other than the MAM there is nothing out there as for factory replacement. I don't like hearing that. I have a feeling you're probably right. Every time I see a thread like this tho, I latch on, with some hope, that somebody has the knowhow and desire to help a FEW ppl out. I realize there are less than 4000 of us out here and that doesn't make it very cost-effective for someone to produce one.

Edit: As far as I know MAM is not even making a drop-in replacement anymore anyway. I for one, would be scared to send him money anyway. Even tho it is a quality product, he left some people out over a grand with nothing.

[otmsp]

he has the mandatory greddy bow off, is an upgraded to the now discontinued type s blow off...

and he has a box with electronics in it...
shit, that car is mad sick yo'
betta no fuck wit it
lol....

[igdrasil]

I dont want to threadjack but we are in the process of making one manifold.
We yesterday dynoed one of the manifolds but with a T3/T4 instead and is working awesome, I left when it had 262whp with 11psi

[arlsmazdaspeed]

I dont want to threadjack but we are in the process of making one manifold.
We yesterday dynoed one of the manifolds but with a T3/T4 instead and is working awesome, I left when it had 262whp with 11psi

nice, make a thread about it, i'd like to check them out. Keep us updated.

[MSP608]

I dont want to threadjack but we are in the process of making one manifold.
We yesterday dynoed one of the manifolds but with a T3/T4 instead and is working awesome, I left when it had 262whp with 11psi

i wouldnt think of selling it here, no one will buy it unless its for the stock t25.

[baconbitz]

^bingo

[igdrasil]

i wouldnt think of selling it here, no one will buy it unless its for the stock t25.

The flange doesnt matter, T31, T25, T4...manifold fabrication will be similar, we are just testing designs.

The t25 manifold will be into fabrication next week. I need to borrow a stock turbo to test the manifold on the dyno.

[MSP608]

The flange doesnt matter, T31, T25, T4...manifold fabrication will be similar, we are just testing designs.

The t25 manifold will be into fabrication next week. I need to borrow a stock turbo to test the manifold on the dyno.

gotcha, sounds legit. but keep in mind it also needs to be a direct replacement or once again, people wont buy it. good luck with this. hopefully a manifold can be pulled together faster than those twiggy cams.

[igdrasil]

gotcha, sounds legit. but keep in mind it also needs to be a direct replacement or once again, people wont buy it. good luck with this. hopefully a manifold can be pulled together faster than those twiggy cams.

yeah I know...its not that difficult, you put the flange where it needs to be and its done.

Difficulty will start when testers are needed.

[Dugg E Fresh]

Doesn't the problem lie in the fact that the stock MSP turbo sits at an angle and the mani has to account for that? It's not in there straight like the other turbo kits for proteges and others. To be honest, I don't have a clue if that has anything to do with it, that is just one of the things I have heard and also noticed with our setup.
If that is the case, can we look into other mani's, "move" the turbo and fabricate an exhaust? I s'pose that would be quite a bit of work, but without ANY other option...

Edit: Another possibility - If there is a good design that bolts onto our block, any way we can "cut, chop, and rebuild" the flange to be at the right position we need it?

[MSP608]

yeah I know...its not that difficult, you put the flange where it needs to be and its done.

Difficulty will start when testers are needed.

not tryna be annoying with all these questions, but im just curious about your manifold. does it line up with the factory egr pipe and have a nice spot for the o2 sensor?

[igdrasil]

not tryna be annoying with all these questions, but im just curious about your manifold. does it line up with the factory egr pipe and have a nice spot for the o2 sensor?

Not done yet.

This is not my thread anyway, but you shouldnt worry about the EGR. Once you fab the manifold, then you make the egr bung.

Im not sure if its wise to install the O2 sensor on a tubular manifold, I mean, It can be done, but with most tubulars, runners will go directly to the flange. Thats something to be discussed.-

[igdrasil]

Doesn't the problem lie in the fact that the stock MSP turbo sits at an angle and the mani has to account for that? It's not in there straight like the other turbo kits for proteges and others. To be honest, I don't have a clue if that has anything to do with it, that is just one of the things I have heard and also noticed with our setup.
If that is the case, can we look into other mani's, "move" the turbo and fabricate an exhaust? I s'pose that would be quite a bit of work, but without ANY other option...

Edit: Another possibility - If there is a good design that bolts onto our block, any way we can "cut, chop, and rebuild" the flange to be at the right position we need it?

Thats why nothing gets done, because some MSP owners just want a direct swap. A few mm offsed and you get complains of something not fitting perfect.

This requires lots of measurements and test fits but it can be done, it will be expensive of course.

[speed whiz]

Thats why nothing gets done, because some MSP owners just want a direct swap. A few mm offsed and you get complains of something not fitting perfect.

This requires lots of measurements and test fits but it can be done, it will be expensive of course.

True enough. why did calloway make it such a tight fit?

[speed whiz]

also whats an apexi electronic box??

It takes static electric off the engine sort of like a grounding unit.

[speed whiz]

its my favorite thing to do but when i`m on it i try to stay away from the boards!

can I have some ha ha ha!

[speed whiz]

judging by your m3 mirrors and tenzo petals you simply have no clue what youre talking about

M3 mirrors you can get at X3 racing.com tenzo racing petals got them from a speed shop. What the hell are u talking about.

[speed whiz]

he has the mandatory greddy bow off, is an upgraded to the now discontinued type s blow off...

and he has a box with electronics in it...
shit, that car is mad sick yo'
betta no fuck wit it

thanks guy