Any 450 to 500hp Mazdaspeed proteges out there? [Archive]

CitizenPro

06-21-2006, 06:00 PM

anyone have a 450 to 500hp speed please give me some info on your block and internals, turbo and ur set up, i am currintly saving to build one myself. and any tricks hints or anything to gain power is good.

Just go to the SEARCH button up top and type in what u want to find. You'll find a few Protege's in the 400-500 whp range......and its okay if there not "Mazdaspeed" Protege's, its basically the same set-up if your looking to do a full build.

Good Luck

mspHtown

06-22-2006, 08:02 PM

laracroft

06-22-2006, 08:45 PM

benben84

06-22-2006, 08:48 PM

get an srt-4 if you want those numbers the cheap way!

CitizenPro

06-22-2006, 08:49 PM

Try more like a minimum of $10k+ if u find crazy deals on parts and hook-ups on professional tuning.......

...and thats if everything goes right the first time (smoke)

Well worth the build in my opinion, i love my baby :)

hwkspeed

06-23-2006, 09:57 AM

im doing it because no one has don it yet im reasearching like crazy and saving all my money for this so will see what happens

Kooldino

06-23-2006, 10:01 AM

yeah, no kidding. And no, there aren't any 500hp Mazdaspeed's on here. If there are, they're on a racing team with the SCCA. Sorry. Get another platform, it's not worth spending the est. $7k to get it to those numbers.

(cryhard)

You think you can get 500hp for 7k?

7K won't even get you the built motor and trans you'll need to handle all of that power.

Blitzd

06-23-2006, 10:03 AM

Good luck! But coming from a strong MSP owner, traction will be an issue. I would look at wider wheels, better suspension, motor mounts, etc. 500whp would be rediculous in this car. Neat to see though. If you want an idea on price of the build go look and see how much Daedulus spent on his and what numbers he was at.

SpeedBeaver

06-23-2006, 10:06 AM

I heard a couple of stories about the fd block just splitting in two over 400whp. I said "Heard" people (no bashing please). I guess they just didn't prepared the block properly. But you'll definitely need a crazy build to be able to get your fs block to handle the heat and stress.

Before starting I suggess you to spend less than $30 and get a copy of Corky Bell's "Maximum Boost" so you can get a better grasp of what you need to do. Also, do a search on this forum for "Crankwalk".

Blitzd

06-23-2006, 10:15 AM

mp3moose

06-23-2006, 10:50 AM

$20 says you never see 300whp.

gone_fishin

06-23-2006, 10:55 AM

(cryhard)

You think you can get 500hp for 7k?

7K won't even get you the built motor and trans you'll need to handle all of that power.

Seriously. And beyond that to even get up past 300 whp you're looking at a hell of a lot more than just a motor build, you're looking at dumping at least another 7k into the transmission. What's the hp and torque ceiling on our stock transmissions--260 bhp? With the ridiculous ammount of money you'd spend to get your protege in upwards of 350 whp why not just buy a much nicer car? If you want a car that's fast, buy a car that's fast. Beyond 350 whp on a protege, I'm not even sure if you could call that remotely reliable anyway, certainly not for a daily driver.

TheBryGuy

06-23-2006, 10:59 AM

Get a Supra. Start big, get bigger!

RallyeRedSi

06-23-2006, 11:11 AM

why not support him if that what he wants to do, i say look into the MAM thumper kit and built block, about tranny i don't know where to look

gone_fishin

06-23-2006, 11:17 AM

why not support him if that what he wants to do, i say look into the MAM thumper kit and built block, about tranny i don't know where to look

That's also what I mean... little is offered for our trannys for handling those kind of numbers. When you break into that realm of power you really have to know your stuff with regard to transmissions and possible fabrication? A great example illustrating my previous point: the discustingly forceful clutch and pplate you'd need to grip at those numbers would make driving anywhere but the track an absolute chore-- and you want to talk about completely relearning how to clutch again.

69RMSP

06-23-2006, 11:31 AM

I duno, I think between 250-320 is a great number for the protege. Power that you can actully have fun with.

Kooldino

06-23-2006, 11:37 AM

why not support him if that what he wants to do, i say look into the MAM thumper kit and built block, about tranny i don't know where to look

I'm not NOT supporting him here, but honestly his story is a bit tired.

I've lost count of how many times I've seen an inexperienced tuner, usually from NJ want 500hp out of his protege, and end up with half that. They end up not wanting to put their money where their mouth is.

I've had such n00bies talk down to me about my "weak" setup, and how theirs will be so much better and faster. Their minds change when they ride in my car, and I still have the faster machine.

Anyway, hopefully this guy is different from the rest, and he actually does make a lot of power. I've been itching to see how much power I could make out of one of these cars at someone else's expense. If he's as serious as he sounds, maybe we could build one hell of a car. But 500hp? Not on the street.

Kooldino

06-23-2006, 11:37 AM

I duno, I think between 250-320 is a great number for the protege. Power that you can actully have fun with.

Amen to that.

MSP608

06-23-2006, 11:39 AM

take a look at tekkie's build. you'll definitely get some good ideas there:

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123636323

smo0f

06-23-2006, 11:48 AM

who are you talking about..

I've lost count of how many times I've seen an inexperienced tuner, usually from NJ want 500hp out of his protege, and end up with half that. They end up not wanting to put their money where their mouth is.

I've had such n00bies talk down to me about my "weak" setup, and how theirs will be so much better and faster. Their minds change when they ride in my car, and I still have the faster machine.

RallyeRedSi

06-23-2006, 11:52 AM

I'm not NOT supporting him here, but honestly his story is a bit tired.

I've lost count of how many times I've seen an inexperienced tuner, usually from NJ want 500hp out of his protege, and end up with half that. They end up not wanting to put their money where their mouth is.

I've had such n00bies talk down to me about my "weak" setup, and how theirs will be so much better and faster. Their minds change when they ride in my car, and I still have the faster machine.

Anyway, hopefully this guy is different from the rest, and he actually does make a lot of power. I've been itching to see how much power I could make out of one of these cars at someone else's expense. If he's as serious as he sounds, maybe we could build one hell of a car. But 500hp? Not on the street.

im just a little rough mood cause all i've seen on this board lately is just name calling and put downs, but your still teh sex(first)

Kooldino

06-23-2006, 03:15 PM

who are you talking about..

And here's one now!

Kooldino

06-23-2006, 03:16 PM

im just a little rough mood cause all i've seen on this board lately is just name calling and put downs, but your still teh sex(first)

Holla! <3

Jeph

06-23-2006, 03:27 PM

500 whp is worthless on the street. I have traction problems now at 10 psi, and 250 whp.
It would be cool to see, but its not very realistic

vcinsanity1523

06-23-2006, 03:36 PM

im just a little rough mood cause all i've seen on this board lately is just name calling and put downs, but your still teh sex(first)

I agree people have been complete assholes on here lately he asked a simple question and obviously he doesn't know the MSP very well YET which is cool. But instead of asshole opinions all he needed was a simple answer saying that in the protege its not a very realistic thing to see 400-500whp..

But like many of the others have said (in a not so nice way) the cost of making an MSP that fast is very high. You might want to bring your numbers down a little and try making a 300-350whp MSP trust me it would be more than enough to make you happy. With FWD its just not necessary to yield that much horespower because you will go nowhere!!! People have problems gripping with 250whp on a normal tire. Well best of luck to you and its cool to "reach for the stars" so to speak but the protege is what it is and 500hp daily driver it is not

Blitzd

06-23-2006, 03:45 PM

All well said.
We need to be careful how we respond to people on the forums. We have all been new at some point and have all said some pretty nieve things. If someone wants to build a 500hp track car more power to him we should lend our ideas and experience not thrash and trash his idea. Think positive !! (thumb)

NOW Back on Topic

benben84

06-23-2006, 04:41 PM

I was once a newbie with the same question. http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123630062
I decided that, although feasable, it's just not realistic to have that much power in a FWD car with a very weak drivetrain. By the time you get 500whp you could have used that money to buy a supra or something else with extreme potential. If I were you I'd shoot for around 300whp and even that won't be easy on the wallet.

laracroft

06-23-2006, 05:44 PM

(cryhard)

You think you can get 500hp for 7k?

7K won't even get you the built motor and trans you'll need to handle all of that power.
That wasn't including all the stickers for added hp and $$$. (pow)

Actually I was being "nice" and reallyyyyy conservative. I've got more than that in my car now and I'm only at 247 to the wheels.

sanblaster

06-23-2006, 05:47 PM

I'm pushing 400 and I will smoke all of you.

smo0f

06-23-2006, 05:50 PM

And here's one now!

cunt

69RMSP

06-23-2006, 06:18 PM

lol not for anything but you spent more then 7k and you only have 250 whp? I dont even think 505mod spent more then that and has 277whp...

That wasn't including all the stickers for added hp and $$$. (pow)

Actually I was being "nice" and reallyyyyy conservative. I've got more than that in my car now and I'm only at 247 to the wheels.

laracroft

06-23-2006, 06:40 PM

lol not for anything but you spent more then 7k and you only have 250 whp? I dont even think 505mod spent more then that and has 277whp...
I know.... don't make me cry damnit. It's a problem that will hopefully get fixed in another month. If not, I'm burning the car to the ground and moving to Japan to get my Integra back.... (ughdance)

69RMSP

06-23-2006, 07:05 PM

Wanna tell us your mod list :D

I know.... don't make me cry damnit. It's a problem that will hopefully get fixed in another month. If not, I'm burning the car to the ground and moving to Japan to get my Integra back.... (ughdance)

Jeph

06-23-2006, 07:09 PM

He doesn't have a built block, that takes 3k out of the equation right there...

laracroft

06-23-2006, 07:11 PM

Its on the link on my signature @ HIN City.

MSP608

06-23-2006, 07:13 PM

Wanna tell us your mod list :D

read the lil hin profile thing.......running forged internals and only makin 247?? aaannnddd with a disco potato?

nvmsp

06-23-2006, 07:21 PM

I don't think shes running alot of boost though.

laracroft

06-23-2006, 07:43 PM

Supposed to be running 15 psi actually, but I normally get only 6 psi daily on a hot day. I hear lots of motor, less whoosh. It's pretty frustrating.

nvmsp

06-23-2006, 07:56 PM

Make Manuel give you the F10x, let him tune it and see what happens. Maybe he'll do it , who knows.

I don't understand how they can tune Superprotege, and not yours.

laracroft

06-23-2006, 08:13 PM

Make Manuel give you the F10x, let him tune it and see what happens. Maybe he'll do it , who knows.

I don't understand how they can tune Superprotege, and not yours.
I'm not downgrading to just fuel and letting the stock ECU handle the timing. I spent more money on it, so I'm just going to leave it the way it is until I get it tuned.

The reason why Superprotege's car runs so great, is that they gutted it, put slicks on the track and he's had the car in his shop for several weeks at a time. From what I hear, the guy has spent almost 20k on it so far. I don't have several more weeks to give my car up. He had it for several weeks before and here I am. So who knows, but I DO KNOW, I dont have many options.

There is however another tuner at Sou. FL. Performance that Mike knows. He can tune mine and get the A/C programmed as well which isn't on there now. He's a master tuner and prefers the Haltech to most any other system. He can also gaurantee that after 2 days, the Haltech will be running perfect or I get my money back. The only problem... his knowledge and expertise doesn't come cheap. It would cost me $500 and again...he's down in South Florida. :(

hwkspeed

06-24-2006, 12:18 AM

RallyeRedSi

06-24-2006, 12:26 AM

I know.... don't make me cry damnit. It's a problem that will hopefully get fixed in another month. If not, I'm burning the car to the ground and moving to Japan to get my Integra back.... (ughdance)

whatever happend to "ima keep this car till it dies" :), i went from an integra to the MSP too(first)

sandspeed

06-24-2006, 12:33 AM

i have decided after looking into block specs and tranny upgrades that im gonna shot for 400hp at high boost and around 325-350hp at low boost with NO nitrous. right now im looking into turbos for my build i think i might go with a garret gt 30, but from what i heard hear on the forums its that the new gt 28rs has better spool times and same hp rating.

(mswerd) the GT28RS is a great turbo for the protege.

Quick spool and it pulls harder in higher rpms than the stock turbo ever will. A msp with the right bolt ons and ems will put down nice numbers for the street (alright)

MSP608

06-24-2006, 01:18 AM

whatever happend to "ima keep this car till it dies" :), i went from an integra to the MSP too(first)

i stepped up from a civic.....do they have a thread of pic's of speed owners previous rides?? that'd be kinda cool.

Jeph

06-24-2006, 02:15 AM

If you're looking to get 400whp i'd get a bigger turbo than the 28rs, because to hit that nimber, you're going to A) need to flow a lot more air at higher rpms, B) definitely need a built motor, C) build that motor with a little higher compression.

pluto316

06-24-2006, 02:21 AM

Duh, I can do this in 4 steps:

1: Buy MSP
2: Buy LS1 motor
3: ???
4: 500hp MSP

Still working on step 3.

Dugg E Fresh

06-24-2006, 02:42 AM

Duh, I can do this in 4 steps:

1: Buy MSP
2: Buy LS1 motor
3: ???
4: 500hp MSP

Still working on step 3.(rofl)
Dude, you crack me up!!

nvmsp

06-24-2006, 08:44 AM

gt35R

benben84

06-24-2006, 09:45 AM

Duh, I can do this in 4 steps:

1: Buy MSP
2: Buy LS1 motor
3: ???
4: 500hp MSP

Still working on step 3.

How about a 2JZ-GTE instead? Then step 4 would be more like 800+hp with stock internals!

Micah

06-24-2006, 09:47 AM

the v8 swap actually would be fun to see. Lord knows it's been done in a ton of cars.

69RMSP

06-24-2006, 11:52 AM

Its on the link on my signature @ HIN City.

Impressive list of mods. Its unfortunate that its not working out as of right now. You have a great setup thou :) when it comes down to it if you can’t get it tuned and running properly your fuc***. I hope this other guy you were talking about can get your shit running properly because you should defnaitly be @ 300whp

i have decided after looking into block specs and tranny upgrades that im gonna shot for 400hp at high boost and around 325-350hp at low boost with NO nitrous. right now im looking into turbos for my build i think i might go with a garret gt 30, but from what i heard hear on the forums its that the new gt 28rs has better spool times and same hp rating.

gt 28rs is to small for 400 horse :D. What do you plan on doing with your car, is it just going to be for drags ect? If you want it streetable and to be able to have fun with it, you should lower that top hp goal to about 350 (which I still think is going to be impossible to manage that power /w out slicks)

What exactly are your goals with the car, what do you plan on doing with it and is it going to be a dialy driver still?

laracroft

06-24-2006, 05:33 PM

Impressive list of mods. Its unfortunate that its not working out as of right now. You have a great setup thou :) when it comes down to it if you can’t get it tuned and running properly your fuc***. I hope this other guy you were talking about can get your shit running properly because you should defnaitly be @ 300whp

gt 28rs is to small for 400 horse :D. What do you plan on doing with your car, is it just going to be for drags ect? If you want it streetable and to be able to have fun with it, you should lower that top hp goal to about 350 (which I still think is going to be impossible to manage that power /w out slicks)

What exactly are your goals with the car, what do you plan on doing with it and is it going to be a dialy driver still?
Hit it right on the nose. A good tune will get you some great numbers and right now, my tuning sucks. I might have to pay more money in the long run, but hopefully with a master tuner, it will be money well spent. I'm not looking to get huge gains. I just want enough to be happy, not worry about anything going BOOM and occasionally take it to the track every so often. And yes, trying to get anything to the wheels after 250whp or more is a challenge. If you want more hp and tq, get an awd car.

About the turbo: Myself and some others have the GT-28RS, yes, the spool timing is supposed to be quicker than the GT-25, but its still a small turbo overall. You can get to 350whp alot faster with a bigger turbo than the ones we have, plus you won't have to feel let down once it's tapered off. That thing will only give you so much "punch" until it reaches it's peak. And then once it does... you wonder why you didn't get something bigger for the same amount of money you'll be spending on the GT28.

Fear

06-24-2006, 06:05 PM

PITB.

Most bang for the buck. Free, if you play your drunken cards right.

Kooldino

06-25-2006, 03:30 AM

read the lil hin profile thing.......running forged internals and only makin 247?? aaannnddd with a disco potato?

Since when is 247 bad?

Kooldino

06-25-2006, 03:33 AM

i have decided after looking into block specs and tranny upgrades that im gonna shot for 400hp at high boost and around 325-350hp at low boost with NO nitrous. right now im looking into turbos for my build i think i might go with a garret gt 30, but from what i heard hear on the forums its that the new gt 28rs has better spool times and same hp rating.

Now you're talking.

A GT30R is a good place to start. When you're ready to buy, drop me a line. You'll need a lot of other goodies to go with that.

orng1

06-25-2006, 03:54 AM

247hp would be a bad thing when your shooting for 400hp. Oh and what would be needed to run a GT30 turbo, manifold, downpipe, injectors, an EMS and an front mount intercooler right?

laracroft

06-25-2006, 09:58 AM

Since when is 247 bad?
Its not bad... if you DON'T have my listed mods.

It's bad when you DO and other people are getting ALOT more on a good tune. Gimme a break. (rtfm)

So how much are you making to the wheels again Dino?

Kooldino

06-25-2006, 11:39 AM

247hp would be a bad thing when your shooting for 400hp.

I don't think Lara was shooting for 400hp.

Oh and what would be needed to run a GT30 turbo, manifold, downpipe, injectors, an EMS and an front mount intercooler right?

Sure.

Kooldino

06-25-2006, 11:47 AM

Its not bad... if you DON'T have my listed mods.
Could a good tuner tune more power out of your setup? Certainly. But if you stick to 15psi on a disco, you're probably not going to get more than another 10-15% out of it. We're not talking night and day here. 250whp is far from awful.

I've seen people with your mods do far worse.

It's bad when you DO and other people are getting ALOT more on a good tune. Gimme a break. (rtfm)
What people with your mods are doing THAT much better? Most people with discos don't break 280whp.

Then again, we can't forget that you can't exactly compare different dynos to one another. 250whp on one dyno could be 310whp on another.

So how much are you making to the wheels again Dino?
@16psi on my dinosaur T3, restrictive mani, and baby intercooler, I put 274whp down. I run as high as 19psi (which is much more powerful) depending on the weather.

Kooldino

06-25-2006, 11:59 AM

@Lara - here's a list of all the dynos I could find that are around your boost level with similar mods. With the exception of the one car from Beau, the rest of them are putting down the same numbers you are. Nothing to cry over.

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Basic Mods:
MAM Block: 8.5:1 CR
Turbo: Stock GT25R
Exhaust: GHL 3" DP/Midpipe (Catted), 2.5" JIC Catback
Intake: Injen CAI
FMIC: Perrin w/SSQV
EMS: Microtech LT8S (Dirty WRX 440cc's)
MISC: Ported intake manifold, removed VTCS, slight head polish (gasket match).

92 Octane 14PSI Spike settle to 12PSI.
Mustang Dyno

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123614118

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MAM kit - 296whp @ 15psi
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108718

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256whp @ 14psi w/ hiboost
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112897

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243whp @ 14psi
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=113076

69RMSP

06-25-2006, 12:43 PM

Kooldino I think shes boosting under 10psi.

laracroft

06-25-2006, 01:38 PM

Thats the point. I occasionally get to 15 psi, but thats after the car has been sitting, say for a day or two. But after it warms up, it gets to about 6psi and if I dump it, maybe 10 although it's set to 15. It feels more or less that the car is giving it what it can, but I hear more motor than anything else. No boost surge coming from the turbo except for every now and then. There's no consistancy.

I don't even know when or where it was that he got to 240whp numbers from. I don't have the sheets to look at. I'm going by what he said it made on the dyno and I'm not sure what kind of dyno he took it to.

I'm not expecting 400whp... farrrr from it. Hey, I know what the limits on this car are, and I'd like to get to 270+. Not exactly 300. But not 240 either. With 8:5:1, 440 injectors, ported and polished head, pistons, rods, rings, studs, MAM manifold, 3" dp and exaust without cats, full stand alone, MAM hard pipes and FMIC, GT-28RS... you'd think I'd get more out of it than what it's done.

Also... why the loss from 253 to 247 after just a month from the previous dyno? There's just some things that don't add up. It would be one thing if it was consistant. It's another thing when you have boost spikes, an irratic idle and mostly 6psi driving around town when it's set to 15psi.

69RMSP

06-25-2006, 02:29 PM

You defanitly have some car issue to workout dall lol :) keep us updated.

Thats the point. I occasionally get to 15 psi, but thats after the car has been sitting, say for a day or two. But after it warms up, it gets to about 6psi and if I dump it, maybe 10 although it's set to 15. It feels more or less that the car is giving it what it can, but I hear more motor than anything else. No boost surge coming from the turbo except for every now and then. There's no consistancy.

I don't even know when or where it was that he got to 240whp numbers from. I don't have the sheets to look at. I'm going by what he said it made on the dyno and I'm not sure what kind of dyno he took it to.

I'm not expecting 400whp... farrrr from it. Hey, I know what the limits on this car are, and I'd like to get to 270+. Not exactly 300. But not 240 either. With 8:5:1, 440 injectors, ported and polished head, pistons, rods, rings, studs, MAM manifold, 3" dp and exaust without cats, full stand alone, MAM hard pipes and FMIC, GT-28RS... you'd think I'd get more out of it than what it's done.

Also... why the loss from 253 to 247 after just a month from the previous dyno? There's just some things that don't add up. It would be one thing if it was consistant. It's another thing when you have boost spikes, an irratic idle and mostly 6psi driving around town when it's set to 15psi.

mspHtown

06-25-2006, 02:30 PM

laracroft---
if you are so unsatisfied with the ems than why dont u get something else and a decent electronic boost controller.

hwkspeed

06-25-2006, 03:28 PM

Kooldino

06-25-2006, 03:50 PM

Thats the point. I occasionally get to 15 psi, but thats after the car has been sitting, say for a day or two. But after it warms up, it gets to about 6psi and if I dump it, maybe 10 although it's set to 15.

WTF? What are you using for boost control?

If this is the case, there's no way you have anywhere near 250whp @10psi.

I don't even know when or where it was that he got to 240whp numbers from. I don't have the sheets to look at. I'm going by what he said it made on the dyno and I'm not sure what kind of dyno he took it to.

Gotcha.

Also... why the loss from 253 to 247 after just a month from the previous dyno?

On whose car? Yours?

FWIW, a 6whp loss isn't a big deal. Cars will pull different numbers each time you run them. Anyone who has spent enough time on a dyno can tell you that. There are a million factors that influence power, and they all add up, even if you don't change anything. But the biggest factor is ambient temp, etc. A month ago was cooler that it is now, so that alone could easily account for a measley 6whp loss. My car in the summer vs the winter is probably a good 30whp difference on the same tune. Welcome to boost.

There's just some things that don't add up. It would be one thing if it was consistant. It's another thing when you have boost spikes, an irratic idle and mostly 6psi driving around town when it's set to 15psi.

That just sounds like hardware issues/a bad tune. She definitely needs some work.

tekkie

06-25-2006, 03:54 PM

I think she is still using the unichip right? dump that and use a better ems system and someone good at tuning and the car should easily be 300whp

Kooldino

06-25-2006, 03:55 PM

so this is the turbo i might be going with to hit the 400hp range click on the link. this msp is gonna be a 325-350hp every day car. but i will have it tuned so i can bring it to the track turn up the boost and put some slicks on it to hit 400hp and prolly low 12s. it will have full 3in turbo back exhuast mam tubular manifold and the tranny will have to be streghtin, also im looking in the a forged block from mam and heads and cams also custom set up for this build. im prolly going with a perrin fmic with a hks ssqv also a perrin intake prolly a stage 3 hybrid clutch and cut flywheel, and short throw, all new motor mounts and one hell of a tune. also looking into gearing and some cv joints from driveshaft.com.

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/catelog/Turbochargers/GT30/GT3071R_700382_20.htm

That turbo should do the trick.

I've heard that MAM is stopping production of the Tubular manis, so I'm not sure about that. They are damn nice though.

Not sure when you want your car to be done, but I will be selling some fully built motors within the next few weeks. I can also do any install or tuning you need done. I'm about 45 mins from Brick.

Kooldino

06-25-2006, 03:55 PM

I think she is still using the unichip right? dump that and use a better ems system and someone good at tuning and the car should easily be 300whp

She's on the haltech.

tekkie

06-25-2006, 03:58 PM

She's on the haltech.

oh yeah good point, something is not right for sure there should be way more power than that I made 254whp on the stock turbo at 10psi when I tuned my emanage

at 15psi and 94 octane that thing should be at least 280whp

ghettobubba2001

06-25-2006, 04:08 PM

she could have problems with her wga? or possible restrictions on the haltech....

sandspeed

06-25-2006, 04:26 PM

she could have problems with her wga? or possible restrictions on the haltech....

i agree that the wga might be broken. Mine was, I replaced it with an atp wastegate actuator and my car finally runs better than ever. Lara, check out a new actuator at atp, they sell them for $60 or something like that.

RallyeRedSi

06-25-2006, 04:45 PM

i agree that the wga might be broken. Mine was, I replaced it with an atp wastegate actuator and my car finally runs better than ever. Lara, check out a new actuator at atp, they sell them for $60 or something like that.

how would you know its broken?

sandspeed

06-25-2006, 04:48 PM

how would you know its broken?

well....i couldn't hold boost due to the broken actuator. When i took the stock actuator off the rod was really loose , it had lost its tension. Also, your boost spike would eventually become really high too

laracroft

06-25-2006, 05:00 PM

Well, my next step is changing the wastegate entirely. I'll be doing that myself come next weekend. If that doesn't change things, then I'll move on to something else. And right now I have an TurboXS MBC. The tuner didn't give me the sylenoid that's needed to run the EBC from Haltech.

Oh yeah and the loss wouldn't be such a huge deal if it weren't for it being in the same month of March. Wasn't much temp. changing there. But I know right now it would be a much bigger change and it'd act worse since it's 90 degrees outside. Turbo's no likie hot, humid weather.

laracroft

06-25-2006, 05:07 PM

well....i couldn't hold boost due to the broken actuator. When i took the stock actuator off the rod was really loose , it had lost its tension. Also, your boost spike would eventually become really high too
Yup. This is what happened to Alejo on here. His broke and he was spiking to 15psi on a stock MSP at the track. We told him to check it and sure enough, it was broken. But he WAS happy with his numbers for a little while there, just glad that he found it out in time. But even still, he did hella better than I did at the track with his stocker. :(

Kooldino

06-26-2006, 01:27 AM

oh yeah good point, something is not right for sure there should be way more power than that I made 254whp on the stock turbo at 10psi when I tuned my emanage

That sounds abnormally high. What kind of dyno was this on?

JDM Sam

06-26-2006, 04:25 AM

I'm not downgrading to just fuel and letting the stock ECU handle the timing. I spent more money on it, so I'm just going to leave it the way it is until I get it tuned.

The reason why Superprotege's car runs so great, is that they gutted it, put slicks on the track and he's had the car in his shop for several weeks at a time. From what I hear, the guy has spent almost 20k on it so far. I don't have several more weeks to give my car up. He had it for several weeks before and here I am. So who knows, but I DO KNOW, I dont have many options.

There is however another tuner at Sou. FL. Performance that Mike knows. He can tune mine and get the A/C programmed as well which isn't on there now. He's a master tuner and prefers the Haltech to most any other system. He can also gaurantee that after 2 days, the Haltech will be running perfect or I get my money back. The only problem... his knowledge and expertise doesn't come cheap. It would cost me $500 and again...he's down in South Florida. :(

Did you not leave the stock ecu to control the a/c and alternator loads?

igdrasil

06-26-2006, 07:42 AM

Well...whoever said 400-500whp is difficult or impossible with less than 7K is wrong.

Here in PR we have a couple FSDE engines running over 600whp, 1 of them was a daily use Protege5 and they only have Pauter rods, Wiseco/JE pistons, ported head (no valve job), regrind cams, balanced crankshaft and modified transmission.

That is not all, right now in this moment, while I build my FSDE, my builder is already working on an auto trans to support 800+whp that his engine is now pushing. The GTX gears are not holding that much power.

The 800+whp FSDE does have a lot of custom job, new cams, larger valves, springs, retainers, crankshaft, pistons, rods, etc.

So far, it has been proven that with the right parts, this engine with STOCK head, some porting on it and on the Intake Mani, can do 600whp.

69RMSP

06-26-2006, 09:59 AM

Thats amazing

Well...whoever said 400-500whp is difficult or impossible with less than 7K is wrong.

Here in PR we have a couple FSDE engines running over 600whp, 1 of them was a daily use Protege5 and they only have Pauter rods, Wiseco/JE pistons, ported head (no valve job), regrind cams, balanced crankshaft and modified transmission.

That is not all, right now in this moment, while I build my FSDE, my builder is already working on an auto trans to support 800+whp that his engine is now pushing. The GTX gears are not holding that much power.

The 800+whp FSDE does have a lot of custom job, new cams, larger valves, springs, retainers, crankshaft, pistons, rods, etc.

So far, it has been proven that with the right parts, this engine with STOCK head, some porting on it and on the Intake Mani, can do 600whp.

igdrasil

06-26-2006, 11:25 AM

Well...for whoever missed this car...heres some pics and videos:

600+whp FSDE engine in a 323
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123623104&highlight=fsde+323

smo0f

06-26-2006, 11:38 AM

What kind of wheels/tires do you use with that? Or do those cars just hover

Well...whoever said 400-500whp is difficult or impossible with less than 7K is wrong.

Here in PR we have a couple FSDE engines running over 600whp, 1 of them was a daily use Protege5 and they only have Pauter rods, Wiseco/JE pistons, ported head (no valve job), regrind cams, balanced crankshaft and modified transmission.

That is not all, right now in this moment, while I build my FSDE, my builder is already working on an auto trans to support 800+whp that his engine is now pushing. The GTX gears are not holding that much power.

The 800+whp FSDE does have a lot of custom job, new cams, larger valves, springs, retainers, crankshaft, pistons, rods, etc.

So far, it has been proven that with the right parts, this engine with STOCK head, some porting on it and on the Intake Mani, can do 600whp.

igdrasil

06-26-2006, 12:04 PM

What kind of wheels/tires do you use with that? Or do those cars just hover

??? I dont understand ...(rtfm)

JOMO

06-26-2006, 12:06 PM

Are they on Drag radials for the daily 600hwhp protege. What kind of tires/rims?

smo0f

06-26-2006, 12:18 PM

igdrasil

06-26-2006, 12:21 PM

Are they on Drag radials for the daily 600hwhp protege. What kind of tires/rims?

That car is not running anymore...he dropped from the proyect, sold the protege5 and kept the engine. No clue whats going to do...

I think I have a video around of that protege5, but on that pass he broke an axle.

Right now AFAIK, 2 of the FSDE powered 323s, one is not for daily use anymore, the 2nd one havent seen the tracks yet, was already running a 1.8L w/ over 600whp...was streetable, but not used daily, just a hobby, a toy and I dont think hes going to use it in the streets anymore. Both are shooting for 8s cars and need to pass an NHRA certification I think.

On street tires, 600whp would spin 4th gear like running over soap.

igdrasil

06-26-2006, 12:23 PM

you know, hover, like a hovercraft, because of lack of traction, i don't know. don't make me explain a bad joke. but yeah, what is the size of tires that are used, what kind are they, what kind of wheels, etc.

I dont know...take a look on the first page of this forum, the main image: http://www.mazda323performance.com/

igdrasil

06-26-2006, 12:32 PM

I see lack of faith...

The tunner/builder of that FSDE, has a lot of cars in PR running 10s...

You can see him tunning another Mazda on the dyno (sorry for the music, I also hate it):
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/2a71898b-704a-4fef-82dc-48306b5d21c1.htm

laracroft

06-26-2006, 10:22 PM

Did you not leave the stock ecu to control the a/c and alternator loads?
The stock ECU is still controlling that aspect. The master tuner that Ghost knows will be able to program this as well on the Haltech though.

hwkspeed

06-27-2006, 10:44 AM

im looking for this build to take a little while not to long though im looking to be completely finished before next summer, and started this fall/winter *just still saving money

boostdprotegelx

06-27-2006, 11:07 AM

I can totally attest to this..heh..i drove his car just last week...my GAWD>>>.(ughdance) (omg)

Could a good tuner tune more power out of your setup? Certainly. But if you stick to 15psi on a disco, you're probably not going to get more than another 10-15% out of it. We're not talking night and day here. 250whp is far from awful.

I've seen people with your mods do far worse.

What people with your mods are doing THAT much better? Most people with discos don't break 280whp.

Then again, we can't forget that you can't exactly compare different dynos to one another. 250whp on one dyno could be 310whp on another.

@16psi on my dinosaur T3, restrictive mani, and baby intercooler, I put 274whp down. I run as high as 19psi (which is much more powerful) depending on the weather.

vcinsanity1523

06-27-2006, 11:17 AM

jesus those 323's in PR sound Bad Ass and that silver one was hawtness lol.

Kooldino

06-27-2006, 11:25 AM

Well...whoever said 400-500whp is difficult or impossible with less than 7K is wrong.

Find me a single shop in the states that will build you a 500hp Protege for $7K that won't break within 2 months time.

Kooldino

06-27-2006, 11:27 AM

I think I have a video around of that protege5, but on that pass he broke an axle.

My point exactly. Unless you put the money into upgrading everything, things (like axles, gears, etc etc) are going to break constantly.

Kooldino

06-27-2006, 11:30 AM

I can totally attest to this..heh..i drove his car just last week...my GAWD>>>.(ughdance) (omg)

Holla!

Jeph

06-27-2006, 03:02 PM

There is still no doubt in my mind that she should be making a lot more power. If she can get her boost to stabalize, that would be a great starting point.
My car, very very similar mods made 243 whp on 10 pounds of boost. I believe it made a little over 300 at 15, but have yet to see a dyno graph for that one. It started detonating at 15, which is why we turned it back down to 10 until we can get the timing right at 15.

Kooldino

06-27-2006, 04:00 PM