JAPAN: Mazda Launches Mazdaspeed Axela with pricing!

[Antoine]

http://mazdanews.com/images/fullsize/390606_0606p2.jpg
Mazdaspeed
Axela FWD 2.3-liter
DISI Turbo 6MT 2,410,000 (after tax) 2,295,239 (before tax)

YEN/DOLLAR CONVERSION as of this post...

2,295,239.00 JPY Japan Yen = 20,295.11 USD United States Dollars
1 JPY = 0.00884227 USD 1 USD = 113.093 JPY

For more info...Click http://www.msprotege.com/vbb225/ubb/icons/icon2.gif MZSPD3.com (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123637331)

[Lord_Zath]

omg 20k!

too bad tariffs will shoot that up to 28k :(

[Antoine]

omg 20k!

too bad tariffs will shoot that up to 28k :(

Living in Japan has its benefits...That is a DAMN GOOD DEAL even in YEN!

[USeeMyExhaust]

28k for usa market is way too much.
probably about 24-25k if they want to sell any.
And with the automatic option.

[tsunami]

holy crap... i don't care if there isn't a speed dealership within 150miles for that price i don't think it would matter.... lets hope the weak us dollar doesn't inflate teh price too much

[PakmanMP5]

I concur with this whole thread LOL(first)

[zerocover]

We always get things cheaper 25 k is resonable.
In Japan things are more expensive but that have more money, around here things are alot cheaper which more then offsets our lower earnings.

[LRHK]

Yay for strong CDN $ perhaps it will be cheaper than they have been...

[Breeegz]

dang Antoine, you know how to make a dude's heart skip a couple jumps... then reality kicked in.... ain't reality a bitch...

[memo79]

That's good news. But if I trade my P5 in, I'd feel wrong. Going to try to think of a way to have both.

[GHOSTWHISPER]

man i no i swear up and down how much i dislike the 3 but i really want to drive this thing... I think it will probably go for about 23,24. Dealer will probably mark ir up to about 26 or so.. Assholes

[2003newlyack]

haha i wanna drive this as well.. can't wait!

[Donas64]

While I much prefer the styling of the dear departed P5, I must say that this thing is a performance bargain. SRT-4's watch your backs!!!

[Kooldino]

No way will these things cost $26. No one will buy them. I'm thinking low twenties. They have a lot to compete with in the turbo FWD market.

[VPower]

Yay for strong CDN $ perhaps it will be cheaper than they have been...
YAH MAN! (canada)

[VPower]

That's good news. But if I trade my P5 in, I'd feel wrong. Going to try to think of a way to have both.

dont trade your P5!!!! dont, DONT!

[ZoomZoomH]

No way will these things cost $26. No one will buy them. I'm thinking low twenties. They have a lot to compete with in the turbo FWD market.

(werd)

methinks it'll be priced about the same as the new Civic Si.... 21-22k-ish

[ZoomZoomH]

and at that price it'll be a STEAL for 244hp... and kick the GTI's arse all over the place!

[MP3N.Y.C]

http://mazdanews.com/images/fullsize/390606_0606p2.jpg


Mazdaspeed
Axela FWD 2.3-liter
DISI Turbo 6MT 2,410,000 (after tax) 2,295,239 (before tax)

YEN/DOLLAR CONVERSION as of this post...

2,295,239.00 JPY Japan Yen = 20,295.11 USD United States Dollars
1 JPY = 0.00884227 USD 1 USD = 113.093 JPY


For more info...Click http://www.msprotege.com/vbb225/ubb/icons/icon2.gif MZSPD3.com (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123637331)


I was @ the car show in NYC and they had the MSP 3 there. The msrp was $24,000+. Sweet looking car though. I think I have some pics of it on my digital camera.
*Edit here are the pics of the MSP 3 and the NEW 4 door Civic Si*

Pete

[memo79]

dont trade your P5!!!! dont, DONT!
I know, I don't want to. But the MS3 just looks so hawt.
I'll prob just stay with my P5. It's been good to me, there's no reason to give up on it.

[LASERBLUE135]

price wise, yah they do have to compete. they are selling brand new MS6's for 28K so the MS3 has to be quite a bit cheaper plus they are going head to head with the next SRT-4 Caliber, GTI, Civic Si, etc. not a penny more than 24K promise, all in, 99's across the board, gauruntee.

[VPower]

28k for usa market is way too much.
probably about 24-25k if they want to sell any.
And with the automatic option.

what do you mean by "automatic option"? the tranny?

[Breeegz]

^probably the "options" that will be added to every one (like floormats)

[Puckpimp71]

price wise, yah they do have to compete. they are selling brand new MS6's for 28K so the MS3 has to be quite a bit cheaper plus they are going head to head with the next SRT-4 Caliber, GTI, Civic Si, etc. not a penny more than 24K promise, all in, 99's across the board, gauruntee.
We're selling the MS6 for $24k... slow market. Anyway, IIRC mid twenties will get you a GT MS3 and lower 20s will be for the Sport.

[mazda3Txboy]

i say atleast 24k without TT&L i mean the mazdaspeed 6 starts at what 28 or sumtin, they have the same size engine but the 6 has more hp. they shouldnt be to far in price...

[mazda3Txboy]

(werd)

methinks it'll be priced about the same as the new Civic Si.... 21-22k-ish

dude u cant even get a 2.3L 3 with zexons and navigation and sunroof for 21or 22.

[Breeegz]

Somebody with a Mazda Discount wanna adopt me when you can finally use it?

[mazda3Txboy]

price wise, yah they do have to compete. they are selling brand new MS6's for 28K so the MS3 has to be quite a bit cheaper plus they are going head to head with the next SRT-4 Caliber, GTI, Civic Si, etc. not a penny more than 24K promise, all in, 99's across the board, gauruntee.

none of those cars would be able to touch a ms3. the GTI and CIVIC r both under 200 hp, and the caliber im not sure of the hp but it still wouldnt beat the ms3, the caliber is bigggerrrr anyways

[LASERBLUE135]

none of those cars would be able to touch a ms3. the GTI and CIVIC r both under 200 hp, and the caliber im not sure of the hp but it still wouldnt beat the ms3, the caliber is bigggerrrr anyways
first off all, if someone has a new MS6 for $24k, let me know...'cause I don't think they are that cheap,

2nd the SRT4 caliber is 300hp, 6speed, limited slip. it will be VERY fast regaurdless of what it weighs. I'm guessing 0-60 in low 5's easily.

[Puckpimp71]

300hp or not, the MPV is hotter looking than the Caliber. The MS3 will be interesting to drive, though... 280lb/ft torque 6speed MTX. Good luck in rain and snow. At least it's FWD. I still want one.

[gwai1o]

The dealer I will be working with does not do "market adjustment" they say they are not allowed to mark their cars up (yeah right).

Would it be reasonable to walk in with a deposite to reserve one and say I'll take it for 300 over invoice. no bullshit? It is the deal I would be able to get on a regular 3 and since they "treat every car the same" (we'll see when the s3 hits) shouldn't I be able to ask for the same deal?

[p5power]

yeah, i betcha it's goin to be within the srt4's price range...anything beyond 24999 is going beyond it's target audience, imo.

[RHAGEL]

I still say $23k for the sport $25K for the GT.

[Lord_Zath]

I heard something interesting from a buddy of mine at a mazda dealer. Apparently, Mazda treats each MS sale as equal to three regular sales. Therefore, dealers are rewarded 3x as much per mazdaspeed sale...

Don't know if it's true or not, but it does make sense... kinda...

[Puckpimp71]

That's sort of going on with the speed6 now. Maybe it varies by region. I don't remember that happening with the Miata.

[P5w3kids]

Is the standard features list similar to that of the U.S. MS3? (U.S. features known?)

Assuming this, how much more expensive is the JDM MS3 than the JDM equivalent of the Mazda3s? That should give a good indication of US pricing.

[seanw]

The dealer I will be working with does not do "market adjustment" they say they are not allowed to mark their cars up (yeah right).

Would it be reasonable to walk in with a deposite to reserve one and say I'll take it for 300 over invoice. no bullshit? It is the deal I would be able to get on a regular 3 and since they "treat every car the same" (we'll see when the s3 hits) shouldn't I be able to ask for the same deal?

Come on. No dealership in it's right mind is gonna lay down and surrender to $300 over invoice before they have even had a chance to gauge the market. Even if they don't ascribe to the "market adjustment" BS, they are going to stick to MSRP until they have a reason to go lower. These people are salesmen for crying out loud. That said, I am always amazed at what people get just by asking! Give it a try and tell us what happens.

[jmv]

We're selling the MS6 for $24k... slow market. A


i might believe that. My dealer has 6 or 7 speed6s that have been there for some time... seems like a boatload for a limited production car.

[LASERBLUE135]

OK, all you dealership questionairs...here's how it works...they treat a MAZDASPEED just like any other car. Like my sales manage said once, "We're here to SELL them not to hoard 'em." If you think that you can't get near/at/below invoice on ANY mazda then YOU are being sold. MS6's are very cheap right now because they are not a hot car, RX8's are cheap because they are not hot, MSprotege's were unbelievably cheap, and to think that the MS3 won't sell for cheap is to think WRONG. Play your cards right and you can get them for invoice...that said, don't go to your Mazda dealership tommorrow and say get me a MS3 at invoice with no money down and expect them not to laugh at you. If you want a car cheap, wait for the market to slow and buy then. Sometimes it takes a while, sometimes not.

[seanw]

OK, all you dealership questionairs...here's how it works...they treat a MAZDASPEED just like any other car. Like my sales manage said once, "We're here to SELL them not to hoard 'em." If you think that you can't get near/at/below invoice on ANY mazda then YOU are being sold. MS6's are very cheap right now because they are not a hot car, RX8's are cheap because they are not hot, MSprotege's were unbelievably cheap, and to think that the MS3 won't sell for cheap is to think WRONG. Play your cards right and you can get them for invoice...that said, don't go to your Mazda dealership tommorrow and say get me a MS3 at invoice with no money down and expect them not to laugh at you. If you want a car cheap, wait for the market to slow and buy then. Sometimes it takes a while, sometimes not.

Like I said, but there it is from the horse's mouth. I'm a little disappointed to hear the dealerships assume the MS3 will be a sales dog, too. Does that mean you won't order as many as you can? I'd like to see as many as possible on the lots, so we can get past the "market adjustment" crap ASAP.

[seanw]

We always get things cheaper 25 k is resonable.
In Japan things are more expensive but that have more money, around here things are alot cheaper which more then offsets our lower earnings.

Wow, Japan sounds a lot like NYC.

[melicha8]

I think mazda is trying to hard not to be volkswagon. They're the ones with ugly styling and kick ass wheels. And here we have the three on the exact end of the spectrum. Same goes for the MS6

[MadBiker]

Wow, Japan sounds a lot like NYC.

I live in Japan dude, and in the boonies too. Prices are still very ridiculously expensive but pay is quite low on average for the entire country. I have no idea how people here make a living, much less save etc....

Check out what I paid for my Atenza Sport:
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1698516#post1698516

But the new Mazdaspeed Axela would be a sweet ride!!!! even with the torque steer....

[chuyler1]

OK, all you dealership questionairs...here's how it works...they treat a MAZDASPEED just like any other car. Like my sales manage said once, "We're here to SELL them not to hoard 'em." If you think that you can't get near/at/below invoice on ANY mazda then YOU are being sold. MS6's are very cheap right now because they are not a hot car, RX8's are cheap because they are not hot, MSprotege's were unbelievably cheap, and to think that the MS3 won't sell for cheap is to think WRONG. Play your cards right and you can get them for invoice...that said, don't go to your Mazda dealership tommorrow and say get me a MS3 at invoice with no money down and expect them not to laugh at you. If you want a car cheap, wait for the market to slow and buy then. Sometimes it takes a while, sometimes not.
I agree with this. WHen I bought my Protege5 in March of 2003 the dealership had several Spicey MSPs. I walked in, the perfect candidate for such a car considering mostly the P5 but I was curious about the MSP. The sales guy basically told me right out I didn't want one. I wasn't crazy about the color so I focused on the P5 from that point on. Had he told me it was going to come in Laser blue in a month or two he could have easily up-sold me...but he wanted to make the sale on something he knew I would buy. I went in to test drive a MS6 a few months back. A different sales rep didn't really have his shit together on specs and how fun the car was. They should be raving about the car the way people talk on these forums...but I didn't feel like they were promoting the car very well.

I also agree about waiting for the market to drop. However, that only works if you are willing to sacrifice some options you may want for a better price. I got my laser blue P5 with leather, abs, moonroof, and a 5spd. There was only one car in a 100mi radius that fit that description in March of 2003. If I waited until July-August I would have had to sacrifice something to get what I wanted. So if you must have <color> with <option>. Don't wait around too long.

[stillflat4]

I live in Japan dude, and in the boonies too. Prices are still very ridiculously expensive but pay is quite low on average for the entire country. I have no idea how people here make a living, much less save etc....

Wow... Sounds EXACTLY like NY! :)

[MadBiker]

I don't know about Mazdaspeeds, but if you go to MazdaUSA and look for dealers that have Internet deals, they'd give you a no BS quote for a car. When I bought my P5, the quote was $400 over invoice (like $16,700) for my Midnight Blue P5 with chrome wheels. Other folks in the showroom were getting ripped off. Might be worth looking into to get a great deal on a Mazdaspeed.... and my internet sales guy at the dealership was pretty gungho about the cars he was selling too. Hope my input helps you guys.

And stillflat4, no place on earth beats NY, even an NYC that still smarts from 9/11.

[trees]

Canada will be releasing pricing info in the next couple weeks(headbang)

[Breeegz]

How does the regular 3 compare in yen to dollars?

[nautical2086]

fuck that coming with auto option.

[spike blue]

I agree with this. WHen I bought my Protege5 in March of 2003 the dealership had several Spicey MSPs. I walked in, the perfect candidate for such a car considering mostly the P5 but I was curious about the MSP. The sales guy basically told me right out I didn't want one. I wasn't crazy about the color so I focused on the P5 from that point on. Had he told me it was going to come in Laser blue in a month or two he could have easily up-sold me...but he wanted to make the sale on something he knew I would buy. I went in to test drive a MS6 a few months back. A different sales rep didn't really have his shit together on specs and how fun the car was. They should be raving about the car the way people talk on these forums...but I didn't feel like they were promoting the car very well.

I also agree about waiting for the market to drop. However, that only works if you are willing to sacrifice some options you may want for a better price. I got my laser blue P5 with leather, abs, moonroof, and a 5spd. There was only one car in a 100mi radius that fit that description in March of 2003. If I waited until July-August I would have had to sacrifice something to get what I wanted. So if you must have <COLOR>with <OPTION>. Don't wait around too long.

you right i was considering the ms3 but i really change my mind since i have my msp the valuable is not good and also it has problems like all msps has , definitly im happy with the audi a4 my bother got i drive it 2 times a week and i really considering the a3 , i know it has less power but is a better performance car, a good quality and with less amount of money you can modify way better than the ms3.

[Antoine]

you right i was considering the ms3 but i really change my mind since i have my msp the valuable is not good and also it has problems like all msps has , definitly im happy with the audi a4 my bother got i drive it 2 times a week and i really considering the a3 , i know it has less power but is a better performance car, a good quality and with less amount of money you can modify way better than the ms3.

Let's WAIT until the MS3 is actually on the STREETS before making such a conclusion...IMO, the MS3 will walk all over an A3 and it will look better doing it!

[MadBiker]

Mazda's suggested retail price is 2,410,000 yen (includes taxes) for the Mzdspd Axela in Japan, this is with 2.3l DOHC, 2WD, 6MT. Just as Antione noted in his very first post.

Here's the link:
http://www.axela.mazda.co.jp/estimate2/moption

[Puckpimp71]

Let's WAIT until the MS3 is actually on the STREETS before making such a conclusion...IMO, the MS3 will walk all over an A3 and it will look better doing it!
The regular Mazda 3 already owns the A3 in every catergory but straight line accleration. Skip pad, slalom, braking distance, price, reliabilty... I still like the A3, but for the money, I'd a 3GT with nav for about 7000 less than an A3 and still have plenty of money to boost it.

[spike blue]

The regular Mazda 3 already owns the A3 in every catergory but straight line accleration. Skip pad, slalom, braking distance, price, reliabilty... I still like the A3, but for the money, I'd a 3GT with nav for about 7000 less than an A3 and still have plenty of money to boost it.

ok i like the 3 a lot i did have one tow years ago gt i change that one for the audi a4. my question is , im not happy with the reliabity with my msp, so youre saying that the 3 has a good reliability??? What about the depreciation in value.

[Puckpimp71]

Save for a few TSBs on the 04, I haven't seen any glaring, recurring problems with the 3... can't say that about most of the VWs we sell. As far as deprciation goes, just take a look at the used car market for the 3. It helps that there's no rebates on the car now, too. It's not as strong as Audi's resale, but that's typical when comparing economy cars to luxury. You can't really compare a niche market, small production afterthought like the MSP to the 3, since it's Mazda's bread and butter right now. Speaking for myself, the only problem I've really had with my car is some rattles and that damn Kenwood HU, which is long gone. Anyway, it looks like the 2.3l DISI is here to stay, so I'm betting the MS3 will be a good, solid car.

[2003newlyack]

I had to go to my dealership to get inspected yesterday.. and there sitting right in front of it was the axela.. looks amazing was tinted all the way around, magnaflow exhaust, red calipers.. and I'm not sure if it was stock or anything I'm going to go back up with a camera and hopefully it will still be there

[spike blue]

Save for a few TSBs on the 04, I haven't seen any glaring, recurring problems with the 3... can't say that about most of the VWs we sell. As far as deprciation goes, just take a look at the used car market for the 3. It helps that there's no rebates on the car now, too. It's not as strong as Audi's resale, but that's typical when comparing economy cars to luxury. You can't really compare a niche market, small production afterthought like the MSP to the 3, since it's Mazda's bread and butter right now. Speaking for myself, the only problem I've really had with my car is some rattles and that damn Kenwood HU, which is long gone. Anyway, it looks like the 2.3l DISI is here to stay, so I'm betting the MS3 will be a good, solid car.

you right in every aspect but i think i might change a normal brand for a luxury/sport brand!!!

[neit_jnf]

so with a custom driveshaft and related electronics would it be possible to retrofit the MZSP6 AWD system to the MZSP3?

Regardless, I'm seriously thinking about trading my P5 for one of these and my first mod is going to be a custom CAI and 3" turbo back exhaust with metal core high flow cats and a manual boost controller set at 18psi :D

[RHAGEL]

so with a custom driveshaft and related electronics would it be possible to retrofit the MZSP6 AWD system to the MZSP3?

Regardless, I'm seriously thinking about trading my P5 for one of these and my first mod is going to be a custom CAI and 3" turbo back exhaust with metal core high flow cats and a manual boost controller set at 18psi :D The 3 and 6 are on a different platform. It would be possible to put the Volvo S40 AWD system into the MS3. I don't know how difficult it would be but I am sure it would work. The only two problems I can see are that they use different engine and transmission layouts and I doubt the internals would hold up to the increase power of the MS3.

[Pyr0TeK]

Ugggg... best thing that can happen to the Speed 3 is a LOWERING KIT! I'm pretty sure a few small children could sleep in that wheel well with no problem. Gotta slam it down and get some aftermarket wheels... the stock ones blow.

[stillflat4]

Save for a few TSBs on the 04, I haven't seen any glaring, recurring problems with the 3... can't say that about most of the VWs we sell.
Don't even get me started on VWs. If you had known me five years ago, you'd be shocked that I'm driving a Mazda now. For years, VW was "my brand," and that's all I'd drive...

And then the reliability nightmares began... And then the horrible dealership stories...

They say "never say never," and damned if the new VWs aren't pretty sweet looking, but it's like poison wrapped up in a nice package. The wife and I started doing Subarus (only the Japan-built ones) for the last couple years, and they have been ENTIRELY trouble-free. The MS6 was a "risk" for me, because I wasn't sure about Mazda reliability. So far though, other than that check engine light and the power loss issue (only occurred twice -- software updated yesterday), we're good as of 5000 miles. Hopefully that will continue.

Any difference between the Japanese-built and American-built Mazdas as far as reliability goes? I'd be interested to know what the common thoughts are on that. Part of what sold me on the MS6 was that it was built in Japan, unlike the regular 6.

[Puckpimp71]

The clutch is the only consistent problem I've seen in the MS6. The regular 6 I've heard regular complaints about the hesitation, a/c, CELs... Sometimes on base models you'll get door panels with Bose on the speaker covers. Paint overspray, too much clearcoat etc aren't uncommon either. Not saying that the 6 is horribly unreliable and cheaply built, but the MS6 seems to be much more consistent in quality.

[Maz94Protege]

that aint a bad price at all. atleast i dont think. avg car price is $20k anyways. cant wait to see it on the lot