View Full Version : Check engine light on at only 2200 miles
Samdiver74
05-16-2006, 07:04 PM
Anyone else have this problem?
Wife was saying that the check engine light came on and stayed on, as she was leaving work, and it is still on now, the car has only got 2200 miles on it.
Spoke to service manager at local dealer and he said try the gas cap.
Got it booked in for Thursday, so they can pull the trouble code, even though the service manager said if the check engine light goes off they can't pull the code, which is total bull cause the code is stored, until it is erased by A) Disconnecting the battery or B) deleted by the diagnostics reader.
Anyone else have a similar problem, please let me know.
Oh and the car is not modified in any way.
Thanks in advance.
tyrellebo
05-17-2006, 08:26 AM
my cel came on a couple days ago. my car's only got 4000mi and has no mods as well. i'm experiencing some acceleration problems though. it seems to only be a problem when i try to accelerate harder. when the turbo kicks in, the engine sputters instead of accelerating smoothly. experiencing anything like that? Pls let us know what the problem is when you bring it in.. thx!
Samdiver74
05-18-2006, 02:43 PM
Ok car is in with the dealer as I speak, no idea what is wrong with it yet, although when I went to pick it up from where the wife works, I started it, to warm it up and the check engine light didn't come on, drove down the road about a mile and it came back on. Hmmmm pretty strange.
Won't know until tomorrow.
hopefully nothing serious but either way it is under warranty.
and in answer to your question, I haven't really noticed any driving, spluttering problems, and believe me I get on it when I have chance to drive it, although I am aware of the Lack of power fix.
When I find out more I'll let you know.
chowhoundMSP
05-18-2006, 02:47 PM
let us know what it is when you hear back from them.
Good luck.
Samdiver74
05-19-2006, 04:51 PM
OK just got the car back from the dealer.
CEL code was P0441. Evap something or other, if anyone has the OBD II trouble codes list please post up here.
The service tech phoned the mazda techline, techline said over filling of fuel tank may be cause condition.
Head tech informed me that they made sure the latest version of the ECU software was 43, and to make sure that when I fill up with gas, as soon as I get the shutoff click to leave it at that, Don't top it off.
He also said the light may come on again until Mazda releases the latest update in a month or so.
Thats all I got.
tyrellebo
05-19-2006, 05:05 PM
wow over fill caused the cel. that's gotta be a lot of extra gas after the click.
i actually found out what happened with my cel today too. i unfortunately dont get the car back til monday. apparently one of the coils is bad, so they're ordering the part and wont get it til monday. no wonder it felt like power loss while driving. i guess only having 3 cylinders doesnt quite cut it. now i'm stuck with a loaner wagon for the w/e.
(yupnope)
Chris-BE
05-19-2006, 06:23 PM
P0441- EVAP control system incorrect purge flow
Samdiver74
05-19-2006, 06:44 PM
Chris-BE
So what does that mean in English?
i had the same code for the evap purge valve....mazda explained it to me as a valve that opens to vent out some gasses or somethin and they said its for emissions....my driveability never changed and it was under warranty so whateva no biggie
Samdiver74
05-26-2006, 10:48 PM
wow over fill caused the cel. that's gotta be a lot of extra gas after the click.
i actually found out what happened with my cel today too. i unfortunately dont get the car back til monday. apparently one of the coils is bad, so they're ordering the part and wont get it til monday. no wonder it felt like power loss while driving. i guess only having 3 cylinders doesnt quite cut it. now i'm stuck with a loaner wagon for the w/e.
(yupnope)
Did you get your car fixed?
chowhoundMSP
05-27-2006, 11:15 AM
GREAT! My CEL just came on and its only been 500 miles!!
Ill be taking it in next week to have the code pulled.
Samdiver74
05-28-2006, 05:49 PM
The more Cel codes that crop up the better chance we have of getting a software update. I still can't believe they said that I over filled the fuel tank, pricks that is why there are vents on the tank, oh and not to mention I had 6.5 miles on my odometer when I picked the car up.
I zeroed out the odometer and made a note of the exact mileage as I dropped it off. They have one more chance at the dealership, if it happens again I am taking legal action.
crossbow
05-28-2006, 07:13 PM
There was already a software update for the above mentioned cel codes back in 2005.
http://forum.mazda6tech.com/viewtopic.php?t=2312
There is however a problem with the purge solenoid's that came about due to a manfuacturer change sometime in 2005 that is still being worked on.
Other problems with the speed6 include....
Coolant hose blowing off (fixed with a 0.25 cent clamp). Shifter binding (should have been fixed in pre-delivery inspection). Sudden Powerloss (fixed in the latest reflash).
http://forum.mazda6tech.com/viewtopic.php?t=5055
stillflat4
05-29-2006, 01:47 PM
I had the CEL issue...
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123634039
Guy said gas cap was probably loose at some point. I'd think things like that should clear the CEL when the problem is corrected... Or perhaps there should be a totally separate light called, "everything seems OK now, and it's really no biggie, but next time you're in the dealership, just make sure they tell you what happened."
chowhoundMSP
06-05-2006, 10:54 AM
ok im taking her in today to have the code pulled.
If its the purge valve, do they have to replace it or is it a software fix?
Red 6
06-09-2006, 05:32 PM
I'm taking my car in Monday for this same CEL code. I first got it around 1000 miles on the car and its come back about 6 times. I kept clearing it with my scanner to make sure it wasn't just a one time thing.
Chris-BE
06-09-2006, 06:03 PM
They will replace the purge solenoid, or should at least.
hellcat
06-09-2006, 06:22 PM
I don't have a MS6 but I know the Protege's CEL will come on from overflow of gas or not tightening the gas cap enough.
silla3
06-09-2006, 06:37 PM
They will replace the purge solenoid, or should at least.
my 3 has been in 4 times - 3 for purge solenoid valves fixed those, 1 mas air flow sensore but they won't touch that one because i have cai on my engine.
Samdiver74
06-10-2006, 12:57 AM
Where is the Solenoid located?
I'm assuming that it is around the engine somewhere, as it looks as if they removed my intercooler cowling, cause the Front right cowling bolt is sheared off, so the plank at the dealership that worked on my car stressed the bolt, now the car has got to go in to have the remaining thread removed and a new bolt installed.
This kind of crap agravates me, it is a simple fix, I have the tools to remove the remaining bolt threads, but I have to take it into the dealer.
I'm Changing dealerships though.
chowhoundMSP
06-13-2006, 10:13 AM
took my car in last monday they cleared the CEL, and updated my software.
left work yesterday and the light is back on. So 600 miles and now at 800 miles.
I scheduled an appt tommorow morning.
Hopefully this will be fixed for good.
Red 6
06-13-2006, 04:11 PM
I get mine back today. They did replace the solenoid.
so my check engine and 4WD lights came on about 3 days ago (thurs). i took the car in 2 days ago (fri). they didnt get a chance to really get into the car but told me the check engine light was a bunch of high rpm codes...anyone know what that means if it isnt self explanitory? and they have not pulled the 4WD code yet but i should find out on monday...oh yea and they lights came on under regular driving at 10002, so just after i hit 10K miles
mrmister
06-25-2006, 04:16 PM
Had the same problem here. Just 260 miles on it. Filled the tank up for the first time and noticed the light go off later that day. Checked the gas cap a couple of times to make sure it wasn't that. I'm bringing it in tomorrow. I'm guessing it has something to do with the overfilling of the tank.
chowhoundMSP
06-26-2006, 08:45 AM
it'll be the purge valve, as soon as you get the dealer to replace it, it will be fixed for good.
mrmister
06-26-2006, 02:31 PM
Had the same problem here. Just 260 miles on it. Filled the tank up for the first time and noticed the light go off later that day. Checked the gas cap a couple of times to make sure it wasn't that. I'm bringing it in tomorrow. I'm guessing it has something to do with the overfilling of the tank.
Turned out to be a problem with the clutch safety switch. They ordered the part and it should be fixed by tomorrow.
well i had metal shavings in my rear diff and they replaced my driveshaft coupler, i broke a seal, fried an elec conn, and burned the clutches up in the rear diff...luckily i got it all warrantied...oh yea and blew a fuse for the PCM
Samdiver74
07-02-2006, 06:41 PM
Check engine light has come on again this time at 3500 miles, taking it in Tomorrow to get the code pulled, if it is code P0441, I'm getting them to change the purge solenoid.
chowhoundMSP
07-03-2006, 08:23 AM
Check engine light has come on again this time at 3500 miles, taking it in Tomorrow to get the code pulled, if it is code P0441, I'm getting them to change the purge solenoid.
Yeah, I had to go in twice too, kinda sucks.
The service guy would not listen to me, I told him to change the purge valve, but he wouldnt listen. So i came back a week later and they changed the valve. I made sure he knew about it too.
Samdiver74
07-03-2006, 08:44 PM
Ok the car is in as we speak. I told the service manager about the problem with the CEL at 2200 miles and now again at 3500, I told him what the previous dealer told me about the gas cap, so I told him I know there is a problem with the purge solenoid and while you're at it change the gas cap for a new one just to be sure. So we'll see
ChicagoKid
07-03-2006, 08:48 PM
my cel came on a couple days ago. my car's only got 4000mi and has no mods as well. i'm experiencing some acceleration problems though. it seems to only be a problem when i try to accelerate harder. when the turbo kicks in, the engine sputters instead of accelerating smoothly. experiencing anything like that? Pls let us know what the problem is when you bring it in.. thx!
I wonder if it's the stock BOV?? There's turbo lag with the MS6, most have replaced the stock BOV with HKS SSQ BOV. Everyone that installed this, has sworn to a very smooth turbo kick in. I am going to change my stock to this. RPM has this kit for $289.00
Samdiver74
07-05-2006, 07:41 PM
Ok got the car back, they changed the purge solenoid and a check valve.
and changed some settings in the computer so it's not as the sensitive.
well add me to the list.
2046kms and I have a check engine light.
I'll call dealer tomorrow.
Ladyspeed6
08-03-2006, 06:28 PM
Newf- how'd it go? Was it the purge solenoid?
Nutari
01-25-2007, 11:22 PM
my friends speed 3 keeps getting that same code. P0441 Evap. Emission System - Incorrect Purge flow
He took it into mazda the first time and they told him they have no idea what caused it.. cleared the code and sent him on his way. Its come back three times since then. What should he do?
99ProtegeRS
01-25-2007, 11:25 PM
normally the code comes on from leaving the car running while pumping your gas...ur supposed to shut off the car.
Nutari
01-25-2007, 11:33 PM
normally the code comes on from leaving the car running while pumping your gas...ur supposed to shut off the car.
he is getting his while driving down this one hill.. he says its always the same spot. He turns his car off while pumping gas...
99ProtegeRS
01-25-2007, 11:44 PM
oh i misread it then..sorry
chowhoundMSP
01-26-2007, 07:56 AM
my friends speed 3 keeps getting that same code. P0441 Evap. Emission System - Incorrect Purge flow
He took it into mazda the first time and they told him they have no idea what caused it.. cleared the code and sent him on his way. Its come back three times since then. What should he do?
Thats what mazda did to me, reset code and sent me on my way, even though i knew what it was. So I went back the next time and said make sure you check the TSB's and replace the purge valve solenoid. They did it right the second time.
Tell your friend to try a different dealer. Or have the original dealer check the Technical Service Bulletins.
RevLimitLaunch
01-29-2007, 08:39 AM
yep my cel came on at about 900miles...but it was just evap emission control...gas cap...must not have tightened it all the way. but when it first came on i was scared shitless hahahah.
sorry irrelevant to your problem...just fealt like sharing. lol.
DotNet
01-29-2007, 07:38 PM
Got a CEL today...Find out in the moring what it is. Car has 4500 miles(pissed)
skylinemonster
01-30-2007, 11:36 PM
Got a CEL today...Find out in the moring what it is. Car has 4500 miles(pissed)
i myself have gotten CEL's but i have figured out why. it only happens if i drive my car and dont let the engine warm up to 212f or normal operating temperature. if you live in a colder climate you must let the car warm up first, no argument. if you are in a warmer climate it may not matter as much. the problem is the car is ultra sensitive for a reason. that reason is startup wear and tear. the point where an engine looses its life is on startup. reason being is the oil is not at the proper viscosity when the engine needs it to be because it has sat and cooled off and thickened. the worst thing ever for the mazdaspeed 6 is starting it up and puttin her in 1st and boostin away. let your car warm up before you drive and you will be ok. if you would like to test this, you will throw a light every time.
DotNet
01-31-2007, 10:41 PM
I discovered this also today...
I joined the CEL club last week at 2800 miles. They said some valve was to blame and it was a common problem. I'd have to get the paper work at home to see exactly what it was...
I joined the CEL club last week at 2800 miles. They said some valve was to blame and it was a common problem. I'd have to get the paper work at home to see exactly what it was...
3500 miles and the light was back on again. Same cause. This time the part was replaced. Hopefully, I won't see it again.
ms6denver
02-26-2007, 11:14 PM
I've had a couple of intermittent check engines (I'm at 27k already). The last time I took it in the dealership said a sensor, now I forget which one and the paperwork is in the car, didn't have enough room to travel in cold weather and so they had to drummel the casing for the sensor to make room. I'll reply to the post if I find the paperwork. Anyway Mazda knows about this cold weather problem - ask your dealership to do a tech search on it if you see it again, could be the cause. Seems to have fixed my issues.
My CEL popped on at 800km, stayed on for about 24 hours, then went out and I didn't see it again for about a week. My suspicion is that the gas cap wasn't on tight enough, but not positive that was it.
CEL came on again just shortly after fillling tank a couple days ago, so maybe its as another poster said, its from overfilling tank. This time it hasn't gone away yet (about 100km driven so far, lots of stops and starts).
Solid CELs (emissions based CELs) that are intermittent need a certain number of engine starts and stops without the original problem before the CEL goes out again, so if the overfilled tank was the issue, the CEL should clear shortly.
I have AutoTap OBD2 kit from a couple years ago (used it on my '99 Miata), but not sure if I bought the CAN upgrade. Does the MSM6 use the OBD2 or CAN protocol through its diagnostic port?
For that matter, where the heck IS the diagnostic port in the MSM6 cabin? I haven't crawled right under the dash yet, but its not where it was in the Miata (nice and handy just under the dash by the driver side fuse panel).
jdub260
03-06-2007, 12:26 PM
The port is just above the brake pedal. Towards the driver right in front of the mounting point of the brake pedal shaft. It faces the floorboard. And yes it uses CAN.
My CEL popped on at 800km, stayed on for about 24 hours, then went out and I didn't see it again for about a week. My suspicion is that the gas cap wasn't on tight enough, but not positive that was it.
CEL came on again just shortly after fillling tank a couple days ago, so maybe its as another poster said, its from overfilling tank. This time it hasn't gone away yet (about 100km driven so far, lots of stops and starts).
Solid CELs (emissions based CELs) that are intermittent need a certain number of engine starts and stops without the original problem before the CEL goes out again, so if the overfilled tank was the issue, the CEL should clear shortly.
I have AutoTap OBD2 kit from a couple years ago (used it on my '99 Miata), but not sure if I bought the CAN upgrade. Does the MSM6 use the OBD2 or CAN protocol through its diagnostic port?
For that matter, where the heck IS the diagnostic port in the MSM6 cabin? I haven't crawled right under the dash yet, but its not where it was in the Miata (nice and handy just under the dash by the driver side fuse panel).
You are still under warranty. Just take it to the dealer and have them deal with it. Get your loaner and roll out. That's what I did.
Yeah, I know its under warranty, but I've seen enough bogus CELs to know there are some that require ATTENTION RIGHT F*****G NOW, and some that you can just reset and/or ignore for a couple days. The dealer will definitely be involved with this, but I like to know for myself what they should be telling me when I ask them what's going on. My dealer is very good (this is my fourth new Mazda from the Sales Manager since 1989), and I know he'll do whatever he can to make this right. Still, I like to see things for myself...
Anyway, I used my trusty AutoTap Diagnostic kit to pull the DTC from the OBD2 computer once jdub260 told me where to find the port (duh - once I stuck my head under the dash, it was pretty hard to miss!):
P2006: Intake Manifold Runner Control Stuck Closed (Bank 1)
I cleared it and it didn't come back on in 10-15 minutes of idling. Elsewhere I've seen it said that this problem is caused by a small flakey on-off switch that indicates if the low-rpm vanes are open or not for improved cold start. Not sure its true, but it makes some sense.
We'll see if it comes back again. Meanwhile, gotta report this to the dealer.
jdub260
03-07-2007, 08:26 AM
I had this same code My milage dropped from 20 - 21 mpg down to 16-17 mpg. The car didn't accelerate as good either, but after the temp. got above 20F for a night the CEL went away and has not returned...yet.
Yeah, I know its under warranty, but I've seen enough bogus CELs to know there are some that require ATTENTION RIGHT F*****G NOW, and some that you can just reset and/or ignore for a couple days. The dealer will definitely be involved with this, but I like to know for myself what they should be telling me when I ask them what's going on. My dealer is very good (this is my fourth new Mazda from the Sales Manager since 1989), and I know he'll do whatever he can to make this right. Still, I like to see things for myself...
Anyway, I used my trusty AutoTap Diagnostic kit to pull the DTC from the OBD2 computer once jdub260 told me where to find the port (duh - once I stuck my head under the dash, it was pretty hard to miss!):
P2006: Intake Manifold Runner Control Stuck Closed (Bank 1)
I cleared it and it didn't come back on in 10-15 minutes of idling. Elsewhere I've seen it said that this problem is caused by a small flakey on-off switch that indicates if the low-rpm vanes are open or not for improved cold start. Not sure its true, but it makes some sense.
We'll see if it comes back again. Meanwhile, gotta report this to the dealer.
That's the same error I got. Cold weather causes it to act up. You will probably keep seeing the CEL go on and off until it warms up or you take it in. They did the modification to mine first, but it didn't work. They ended up having to replace it. Good luck whatever you decide.
Speed6 Guy
03-07-2007, 09:38 AM
I had this same code My milage dropped from 20 - 21 mpg down to 16-17 mpg. The car didn't accelerate as good either, but after the temp. got above 20F for a night the CEL went away and has not returned...yet.
Your milage was that good mine has never gone over 17 ever.
But on topic the CEL will change your tuning.
jdub260
03-07-2007, 10:01 AM
It was 18-19 before the CAI and 20-21 after I installed the CAI.
It was 18-19 before the CAI and 20-21 after I installed the CAI.
So having a CAI will give me better gas mileage? Wonder if I can use that to sell to the wife...
jdub260
03-08-2007, 08:19 AM
So having a CAI will give me better gas mileage? Wonder if I can use that to sell to the wife...
If you can keep your foot out of the turbo on a day to day basis. :D
doogie
03-11-2007, 09:51 AM
CEL came on for 4 days and just went away as it came....
CEL came on for 4 days and just went away and it came....
I'd say the same thing to anyone with a new car or car still under warranty. If you see a CEL, take it in. No matter how annoying or minor it might seem. You paid for it after all. Might as well use it. Even if to find out it's only something minor. Better that then to have it be something major and you not take it in and then have to deal with the "why did you continue to drive the car" issue...
jdub260
03-12-2007, 08:38 AM
You can always take it to Autozone and they will read the code for free. Because I have a CAI my dealer requires me to pay first then get a refund if the CEL is not related to the intake.(jerkit)
doogie
03-12-2007, 09:31 PM
The light has not returned. The day I made an appointment at the dealer it mysteriously went away...
The light has not returned. The day I made an appointment at the dealer it mysteriously went away...
The CEL in my eclipse (caused by the CAI) would go on and off too. But it would still read the same error code regardless if it was on or not. Don't know if this car is the same or not. I would imagine so though, because on my way to my appointment, mine went out and they still were able to tell what the issue was. Maybe it logs previous errors?
jdub260
03-13-2007, 08:25 AM
The code will still be readable even if the CEL is out now.
mazspd6
03-19-2007, 11:23 PM
You can always take it to Autozone and they will read the code for free. Because I have a CAI my dealer requires me to pay first then get a refund if the CEL is not related to the intake.
Is this common practice for guys with a CAI? Does it matter if it is a MazdaSpeed intake or not?
Personally I've never heard of this kind of treatment and I would have to find a better dealer unless you only have one to choose from.
On another note...my car is in the shop...again! This is the fifth cel it has thrown in 10,000 miles of use and it's getting a little tiresome.
But I have had the re-occuring power loss issue and this last one was for lack of power while it sounded like it was just blowing straight out the blow off valve while I tried to accelerate, just a loud air/whistle sound and no power, but after a little highway cruising I tried to spool up the turbo and off it went with no problem. The cel did not show up until the next morning, but I did not have that problem again when the light came on.
I also have an intermittent (i.e. continuing) power loss issue... when cruising on the highway recently I leaned into the gas to pass a poke before I got trapped behind him and the turbo tried to spool up but just dropped off and made a fast clicking noise like your car would make if you tried to start it with a low battery, no power, so I get off the gas get back on it and off it goes...I have had it reflashed like three times now and it still happens without any real warning.
I had the purge valve replaced after waiting months for the new style to come in from Mazda, dealer called earlier tonight...it's the purge valve again, I thought it was fixed with the updated valve, guess not.
I can't see this car staying in my driveway past the warranty if this keeps up, for that I need trust in my car, and right now I don't have much accept for the fact it hasn't stranded me on the side of the road...yet.(nuts)
youngereveryday
04-13-2007, 12:13 AM
Now I'm nervous . . . my CEL went on a few days ago (edited...1500 km). . . it was in the dealership for service today and the tech said they had to order a new purge valve & would call me when it arrives . . . and they flashed the latest update.
Now I'm experiencing reduced power / there's still lots but i have to get way deeper into the throttle . . . it just doesn't have that amazing punch that it had last week.
yccch
Now I'm nervous . . . my CEL went on a few days ago (800 km). . . it was in the dealership for service today and the tech said they had to order a new purge valve & would call me when it arrives . . . and they flashed the latest update.
Now I'm experiencing reduced power / there's still lots but i have to get way deeper into the throttle . . . it just doesn't have that amazing punch that it had last week.
yccch
Result of the flash. It does lower power to 270HP I think...but overall, the car drives better. The valve thing seems to be common on 06 models. I have mine in twice for it. Once they did a modification to it. The second time, they replaced it.
youngereveryday
04-13-2007, 09:42 PM
Result of the flash. It does lower power to 270HP I think...but overall, the car drives better. The valve thing seems to be common on 06 models. I have mine in twice for it. Once they did a modification to it. The second time, they replaced it.
Wow . . . i recall paying for 275hp (protest)
My car is an '07 . . . just how asleep at the wheel has Mazda been, if this EXACT same problem has existed from one model year to another?? Just what has Mazda been doing??
I want back that incredible BLAST of power (drive2)
Wow . . . i recall paying for 275hp (protest)
My car is an '07 . . . just how asleep at the wheel has Mazda been, if this EXACT same problem has existed from one model year to another?? Just what has Mazda been doing??
I want back that incredible BLAST of power (drive2)
Oh you have an '07? Those were 270HP from the door anyways.
http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=modelsSpecs&vehicleCode=MS6
I didn't think they needed a re-flash either, since it's the way they come standard. Are you sure about the year?
Is it cold where you are? My car is a whole different car when it's colder out, as in it feels slower, which should be the complete opposite for a car with a turbo.
youngereveryday
04-15-2007, 02:59 AM
Oh you have an '07? Those were 270HP from the door anyways.Well it sure doesn't feel like 270 anymore.
. . . I didn't think they needed a re-flash either, since it's the way they come standard. Are you sure about the year? (uhm) I'm quite sure about the model year of the car I just paid $40,000 for, yes.
As for the flash, I can only assume there's been an update to the on-board computer?
. . . Is it cold where you are? My car is a whole different car when it's colder out, as in it feels slower, which should be the complete opposite for a car with a turbo.I live in Canada. It was below freezing (temp) when the CEL came on last week, but its above freezing now. But it has been considerably (!!!) colder in previous weeks, and the car ran fine.
Well it sure doesn't feel like 270 anymore.
(uhm) I'm quite sure about the model year of the car I just paid $40,000 for, yes.
As for the flash, I can only assume there's been an update to the on-board computer?
I live in Canada. It was below freezing (temp) when the CEL came on last week, but its above freezing now. But it has been considerably (!!!) colder in previous weeks, and the car ran fine.
I was about to say $40,000, OMG, but I realized that's Canadian dollars, and yes it was to the ECU. It should have been done to the 07 before you even bought it. Unless there's another one, and I'm running from it like the plague. Only reason I asked about the year is because you are describing problems of the '06 model that shouldn't exist with the '07 model from what I've heard. Anyways, what happens is the valve freezes and gets stuck. People in Florida don't have that problem.
youngereveryday
04-17-2007, 11:42 PM
I was about to say $40,000, OMG, but I realized that's Canadian dollars, and yes it was to the ECU. It should have been done to the 07 before you even bought it. Unless there's another one, and I'm running from it like the plague. Only reason I asked about the year is because you are describing problems of the '06 model that shouldn't exist with the '07 model from what I've heard. Anyways, what happens is the valve freezes and gets stuck. People in Florida don't have that problem.So in Canada, the MS6 was released before its time? 'Cuz it gets real cold up here, and it stays cold for months.
On a positive note, so far at least (observation only) I seem to be getting way better mileage.
cheers
chuyler1
04-19-2007, 10:06 AM
My CEL just came on. I'm at 3400 and haven't had a chance to take it in for its first oil change. Will the CEL come on when your car is due for an oil change or is this something more serious?
I'll check the gas cap when I leave work.
chowhoundMSP
04-19-2007, 10:31 AM
My CEL just came on. I'm at 3400 and haven't had a chance to take it in for its first oil change. Will the CEL come on when your car is due for an oil change or is this something more serious?
I'll check the gas cap when I leave work.
Just be sure to have them check the purge valve solenoid and have them reference the TSB. That should make sure they fix it right the first time.
wannabe
04-25-2007, 02:59 AM
i had my first oil change on thursday, and yesterday on the way home from work it clicked on. i did fill the tank up with the radio on the other day, so that could potentially be the cause....but i dont want to go back to the dealer again...
chuyler1
04-25-2007, 08:10 AM
I checked my gas cap and it was fine. A few days later the light went out...so perhaps it was the gas cap. (dunno) I'll prolly have the dealership check it when I go in for my 1st oil chnage
Matt'sSpeed6
04-25-2007, 09:14 AM
I've been in for the purge valve TWICE in the first 5,000 miles. Currently at 8,100 miles. After another purge valve (which I am expecting) I might consider pursuing "legal" action.
It is a PITA, however, what is a bigger inconvenience is the fact that this CEL requires TWo trips to my dealer. One for them to read the CEL, another for them to order in the part. Makes me reconsider future automnotive brand purchases.
On a side note, I have not yet seen any 2007 MS6 on my local lot...
Matt
I've been in for the purge valve TWICE in the first 5,000 miles. Currently at 8,100 miles. After another purge valve (which I am expecting) I might consider pursuing "legal" action.
It is a PITA, however, what is a bigger inconvenience is the fact that this CEL requires TWo trips to my dealer. One for them to read the CEL, another for them to order in the part. Makes me reconsider future automnotive brand purchases.
On a side note, I have not yet seen any 2007 MS6 on my local lot...
Matt
You look to be in my land...Who's your dealer?
Matt'sSpeed6
04-26-2007, 10:53 AM
You look to be in my land...Who's your dealer?
LTM - where you from??
chuyler1
04-26-2007, 11:09 AM
Weelll, Mine's back on again. Guess I'll have to take it in after all. I hope I get a decent rental. Man I hate driving slush-o-matics.
wannabe
04-26-2007, 11:32 AM
just got back from the dealer, yup. purge control solenoid. its on national backorder now...great....
any bets on which will come in first? this or the advanced keyless receiver??
chuyler1
04-26-2007, 12:19 PM
Did they give you a loaner or let you go home with the car?
Matt'sSpeed6
04-26-2007, 12:58 PM
I think it is time for Mazda to consider some sort of reparation for the increased number of warranty claims this purge valve problem is causing....
Something along the lines of increasing the warranty time and mileage limits.
IMHO.
Matt
Matt'sSpeed6
04-26-2007, 01:00 PM
Weelll, Mine's back on again. Guess I'll have to take it in after all. I hope I get a decent rental. Man I hate driving slush-o-matics.
What mileage are you at? How many times has this hapenned?
Matt
LTM - where you from??
Lancaster? Lebanon?
I'm from Harrisburg.
chuyler1
04-30-2007, 11:23 AM
What mileage are you at? How many times has this hapenned?
Matt
Just hit 4,000 miles. It has gone on about 3 times in the past two weeks and stayed on for at least a day or two. It went off this morning but I took it to the dealer anyway. Now I get to drive a Dodge Stratus until they figure it out. (screwy)
chuyler1
04-30-2007, 01:09 PM
Ok, so I just got off the phone with the service dept. He said they replaced the gas cap and my car is all set. (dunno)
I guess I'm good to go then.
wannabe
04-30-2007, 04:02 PM
Did they give you a loaner or let you go home with the car?
they let me go with my car. the CEL was actually off for a day, but came right back on again....
wannabe
04-30-2007, 04:03 PM
Ok, so I just got off the phone with the service dept. He said they replaced the gas cap and my car is all set. (dunno)
I guess I'm good to go then.
hopefully...doubt it though.
chuyler1
04-30-2007, 04:45 PM
Me too...hence the (dunno)
I just wish the dealership wasn't out of the way. The whole ordeal of dropping the car off and getting to work adds an hour+ to my morning.
wannabe
05-02-2007, 09:36 AM
my solenoid came in and was installed this morning. the CEL is off...hopefully it will stay that way.
Koenig
05-06-2007, 09:10 PM
Hey man, just trying to be helpful...... if any of you guys have the extra money to spend...... you might want to take a look at this
Code Scout OBD-II Code Reader (http://www.autosportcatalog.com/index.cfm?fa=p&pid=3543)
It's $180 but the best part is it can be used on NOT just your 6/speed6 but other cars newer than 1996 that use the OBD-II codes.
You can even reset the check engine light yourself with it, if the light comes on cause you left the gas cap loose.
It's not too shabby, my friend has one, I plan to pick it up, at least it'll arm you with the knowledge of what's wrong with the car so the techs don't try to bull shit you ;)
chuyler1
05-06-2007, 09:41 PM
If your friend has one...why not just borrow it when you need it. I certainly hope my car doesn't through so many CELs that a trinket like this would be necessary.
Koenig
05-06-2007, 09:53 PM
because my friend has his own garage, and lives in Homestead, Florida....which is about 50+ miles from where my location is, not exactly a distance I want to be driving with a check engine light on and if my car isn't performing well, when I have dealer a mere 8 miles away from me :(
Plus it works for other cars you might have......such as your spouse, immediate family, kid's cars, your buddies.......etc. That and the fact that if you have mods like intake/exhaust you'll know why the light is on and whether or not it was your mod, cause I've read how dealers try to get out of repairing it and blaming things on modifications.
Mzumel
01-26-2008, 07:46 AM
ouch, yea keep us posted
How did they fix it exactly? I had about 2012 miles on mine..same thing..wokr up to go to work this morning..did my usuall warm up routine then noticed that my engine light has been on. Should filling up my gas tank and not over filling it take care of the problem?
Koenig
01-26-2008, 09:41 AM
the only way to make the actual light go away from what I know of, is to have it reset..... if your car is still under warranty you shouldn't have a problem getting them to look at your car....
Mzumel
01-26-2008, 12:14 PM
the only way to make the actual light go away from what I know of, is to have it reset..... if your car is still under warranty you shouldn't have a problem getting them to look at your car....
Or go to autozone look at the code....and reset the check engine light huh?
Mzumel
01-26-2008, 01:20 PM
Went to autozone...any one familiar with engine code p0455?
Koenig
01-26-2008, 03:07 PM
yeah you could do that, but some autozones' only have the OBD-II scanner and from what I recall someone said you need a CET compatible scanner (or something like that I don't quite remember)
I haven't ever gotten a check engine light so I can't help you with that code :\
Mzumel
01-27-2008, 08:16 PM
yeah you could do that, but some autozones' only have the OBD-II scanner and from what I recall someone said you need a CET compatible scanner (or something like that I don't quite remember)
I haven't ever gotten a check engine light so I can't help you with that code :\
Your probably talking about CAN-OBD-II...I picked one up at sears...I cleared the code and see what happens. I expereince no power loss or anything...I bet it was the weather that caused it. It was cold that morning etc.
Koenig
01-27-2008, 08:42 PM
Your probably talking about CAN-OBD-II...I picked one up at sears...I cleared the code and see what happens. I expereince no power loss or anything...I bet it was the weather that caused it. It was cold that morning etc.
AH yes the CAN, thanks, that's what I was trying to think of..... how much did the one at SEARs run you down for?
I've been considering getting one, just because I own a speed6 and my GF has a regular 6.
It probably could have been the weather..... but it could have also been that valve actuator thingy..... there's a recall on some valve actuator, that supposedly goes haywire or doesn't work right, especially when the weather is cold.
I think you may have gotten the notices in your mail ?
Mzumel
01-27-2008, 11:24 PM
AH yes the CAN, thanks, that's what I was trying to think of..... how much did the one at SEARs run you down for?
I've been considering getting one, just because I own a speed6 and my GF has a regular 6.
It probably could have been the weather..... but it could have also been that valve actuator thingy..... there's a recall on some valve actuator, that supposedly goes haywire or doesn't work right, especially when the weather is cold.
I think you may have gotten the notices in your mail ?
I bought it December 18, 2007, so I wouldn't know if I had it long enough to register in the system to have that mail sent to me.
There were lots to choose from. I choose the 129.99, it had usb port, cd, online updates, erase the code, I belive the lowest one I saw was 39.99 and that had the list and stuff. Here's what I bought http://www.canobd2.com/Products/ToolDetail.aspx?Id=D06F4EC72CBC49B88027D26DCFF5F3E A I'm about to see if it comes out 2morrow.
Koenig
01-28-2008, 12:59 AM
nice nice, I'm a stickler for options (i like to be able to customize or do shit, even if I may never do it)
so I'd probably go for the $130 one.
Let us know if your code shows up tomorrow.
Your probably talking about CAN-OBD-II...I picked one up at sears...I cleared the code and see what happens. I expereince no power loss or anything...I bet it was the weather that caused it. It was cold that morning etc.
When I first got my car, as soon as it was below freezing for a bit and I drove my car around midnight, poof, CEL. The paper work from the dealer said "purge solenoid valve," I think the recall might have called it something a little different, but it was a recall part nonetheless.
Koenig
01-28-2008, 05:54 PM
ah yes.... that's the valve I was trying to remember.......... apparently it seems to get stuck during cold weather and doesn't close all the way or something.
The recall supposedly fixes it with a better designed valve that isn't effected by the cold weather... though I haven't had it done and there's no cold weather in FL, so I can't really give my take on that.
ah yes.... that's the valve I was trying to remember.......... apparently it seems to get stuck during cold weather and doesn't close all the way or something.
The recall supposedly fixes it with a better designed valve that isn't effected by the cold weather... though I haven't had it done and there's no cold weather in FL, so I can't really give my take on that.
Yup you are correct. It freezes and gets stuck.
Koenig
01-28-2008, 06:33 PM
Yup you are correct. It freezes and gets stuck.
did you also have that 2nd one done? I can't remember what it was for, nor can I find my papers.
I just remember coming home one day and getting 2 recalls in the mail.... one for the purge valve (i don't live in cold weather so i probably tossed them both out)
and the other I forget.
I have yet to throw a CEL on a my car. Hurray for florida huh? Though I am worried cause I love Gunther Mazda's service and I may be moving to north carolina/south carolina state border area in about a year....that's cold weather :(
Mzumel
01-28-2008, 07:32 PM
well...my cel didn't pop up today...hopefully I won't see it again..knock on wood...I got a 4 hour drive later this week...gonna test the milage on this thing, highway I mean..goin to mardi gras!! show me some b00bies!!!!
did you also have that 2nd one done? I can't remember what it was for, nor can I find my papers.
I just remember coming home one day and getting 2 recalls in the mail.... one for the purge valve (i don't live in cold weather so i probably tossed them both out)
and the other I forget.
I have yet to throw a CEL on a my car. Hurray for florida huh? Though I am worried cause I love Gunther Mazda's service and I may be moving to north carolina/south carolina state border area in about a year....that's cold weather :(
Reflash and purge valve solenoid. I threw them both out since I already had both done long before the recall.
Koenig
01-29-2008, 12:04 AM
hmmmm, no I already got the reflash one reflashing the ECU due to "power loss" because of people running 91 octane.... we have 93 octane in FL so I didn't need to worry about that
I already got that one long before I got these 2.... I think they are stickied somewhere around here......
bojaman
04-29-2008, 11:16 AM
Hi
I bought Mazdaspeed 6 on Dec 15, 2007, and since then, I had two CEL problems.
The first happened at ~ 4000 km, second on 6000 km. The first for P2006 Shutter valve problem, and they replaced shutter valve. Second was purge valve, and they replaced purge valve.
menaspeed
05-01-2008, 11:26 AM
over filling i don't think so i been over filling everytime i fill the tank and 44000 miles never had an issue . i know that not closing the gas cap does but overfilling is a first time i heard that . same thing with my shelby gt 500 never a problem an for me i have to fill all the way to the top . don't know if am the only one
Koenig
05-01-2008, 04:42 PM
over filling i don't think so i been over filling everytime i fill the tank and 44000 miles never had an issue . i know that not closing the gas cap does but overfilling is a first time i heard that . same thing with my shelby gt 500 never a problem an for me i have to fill all the way to the top . don't know if am the only one
I over fill too... that parts BS. Not closing the gas cap properly makes sense because if it's not sealed it creates an opening, which can cause a vacuum and causes the sensors to not read things right
But I always top off my car and the gas is like RIGHT THERE where the cap goes.... I've already got 21k miles and nothing going on with that area in my car.
I did the same thing with a '99 F150 I use to own, and that truck had 162k miles on it. Over filling sounds like a lie because either they didn't know what went wrong, or something was faulty from factory and they don't want to admit it.
I just had my car in for the traction loss light staying on and never turning off. (the light on the dashboard that shows the car with skid marks to let you know you're losing traction)
They found a TSB for a combo sensor on the car, and replaced it for me under warranty.
and then I found another TSB for a fuel rail, I'm going to take that in cause sometimes in 3rd gear when I'm driving fast it'll bog a bit before it kicks in.... almost like the fuel is dropping down and not going in the engine and then suddenly squirting in and giving me power. I'm gonna take that in and have them do it.
Btw, kicked off my 3rd CEL about a month ago. Needed a new MAF sensor. I wonder how long it was bad because my car would sometimes hesitate if when I accelerated especially in 3rd and 4th gear, and once the CEL came on, it happened in every gear basically if I got close to 3000 RPM. Like what Koenig described with the fuel rail. Ever since that, it hasn't happened again. Almost like a different car it's that noticeable.
Koenig
06-03-2008, 10:05 AM
Btw, kicked off my 3rd CEL about a month ago. Needed a new MAF sensor. I wonder how long it was bad because my car would sometimes hesitate if when I accelerated especially in 3rd and 4th gear, and once the CEL came on, it happened in every gear basically if I got close to 3000 RPM. Like what Koenig described with the fuel rail. Ever since that, it hasn't happened again. Almost like a different car it's that noticeable.
Maybe I should have them look at the MAF then... cause I get that hesitation in 3rd and sometimes in 4th.
archeng59
06-18-2008, 06:42 AM
My CEL came on not long after I purchased my '03 M6. I took it to the dealer and they told me it was not a critical issue. The oxygen mix was not within specs. They told me to keep driving the car and as long as the CEL was not flashing, don't worry about it. I drove the car for less than a week and the CEL went off. The car seemed to run fine during the entire time the CEL was on. The CEL has some on a few times since, but since it doesn't flash I don't worry. The light will stay on a few hundred miles of driving then go off.
About 2 months ago, the CEL came on. At that time, I had just under 200k miles on the car. The car seemed to be running ok, so I didn't worry about it. The CEL started flashing and I immediately went to the dealer. I had to replace the water pump. That's the only time the CEL flashed in 200k miles.
Koenig
06-18-2008, 08:04 PM
I'm lost you drove a 2003 model car to 200,000 miles? That's a lot of driving.
My GF's car is also the same issue, your best bet is to go to autozone or someplace like that and ask them do use their OBD-II scanner so they can SHOW you what it says, I never listen to car dealers until they can SHOW me.... they're so shady and fucked up I never go by word of mouth.
archeng59
06-18-2008, 09:59 PM
I drive at least 120 miles per day, 5 or 6 days per week. Adds up quick.
Koenig
06-18-2008, 10:03 PM
Wow that's nuts, I drive almost every day but I'd say it's more like 50 or less a day. I've only put 16k miles on my car since I've had it for just over a year.
TRXSandRacer02
07-31-2008, 12:50 AM
what happened is your fuel tank vent hose goes directly back into the evap purge hose. If it is overfilled and the purge solenoid opens, it will pull fuel into the engine. When a see this code, i normally will replace the purge solenoid one time good will (these purge solenoids are prone to going bad and sticking) PM or Email with any questions i can help with
My CEL came on not long after I purchased my '03 M6. I took it to the dealer and they told me it was not a critical issue. The oxygen mix was not within specs. They told me to keep driving the car and as long as the CEL was not flashing, don't worry about it. I drove the car for less than a week and the CEL went off. The car seemed to run fine during the entire time the CEL was on. The CEL has some on a few times since, but since it doesn't flash I don't worry. The light will stay on a few hundred miles of driving then go off.
About 2 months ago, the CEL came on. At that time, I had just under 200k miles on the car. The car seemed to be running ok, so I didn't worry about it. The CEL started flashing and I immediately went to the dealer. I had to replace the water pump. That's the only time the CEL flashed in 200k miles.
Um if your CEL is on, you should take it in. Flashing CEL means something is seriously wrong and you shouldn't drive your car anywhere but the dealer, if that. Never has my CEL ever flashed and only one time it was on has it ever been a non issue where it just needed a reset. I've had 5 of them.
Btw, kicked off my 3rd CEL about a month ago. Needed a new MAF sensor. I wonder how long it was bad because my car would sometimes hesitate if when I accelerated especially in 3rd and 4th gear, and once the CEL came on, it happened in every gear basically if I got close to 3000 RPM. Like what Koenig described with the fuel rail. Ever since that, it hasn't happened again. Almost like a different car it's that noticeable.
And again! I'm on MAF sensor number 3 currently. :/
bova80
12-17-2008, 09:30 AM
i sure hope he has seeing as how this was posted quite some time ago
wannabe
12-17-2008, 11:38 PM
And again! I'm on MAF sensor number 3 currently. :/
have you tried cleaning them instead of replacing? they have electronic parts cleaner you can spray in there
have you tried cleaning them instead of replacing? they have electronic parts cleaner you can spray in there
I suppose I could, but the car is under warranty. Maybe I'll go that route when it isn't anymore. Dealer was suspecting my CAI, and water getting in, but I've had it since about 3 months after I got the car and this all started recently. I'm on MAF number 4 now btw. I think it is the liquid salt sprayed on the roads the last two times, because it came on right after driving on the freshly salted roads. I've driven in down pour rains and never had an issue.
ms6acton
10-15-2009, 08:31 PM
just wanted to say thanks to op back in 2005. car just threw P0441 and i got all worried. i always super top up my gas since i have a company gas card, but i guess from now on i will not.
bennychan723
10-22-2009, 01:40 AM
thankzz guys...
Jonota
11-01-2009, 11:10 AM
There's an act out there that I feel some of the posters in this thread need to be aware of. I believe it is called the magnusson-moss act. It concerns warranties provided on vehicles. A warranty provider CANNOT deny warranty claims (or upfront charge you) based on aftermarket parts unless they can PROVE the part caused the damage. And in this case, you can take that proof (in writing) to the aftermarket part manufacturer and usually get it repaired at their expense.
Jonota
vrspeedemon
11-01-2009, 12:15 PM
There's an act out there that I feel some of the posters in this thread need to be aware of. I believe it is called the magnusson-moss act. It concerns warranties provided on vehicles. A warranty provider CANNOT deny warranty claims (or upfront charge you) based on aftermarket parts unless they can PROVE the part caused the damage. And in this case, you can take that proof (in writing) to the aftermarket part manufacturer and usually get it repaired at their expense.
Jonota
Tell this to Mazda...they seem to play by their own rules!!!
Koenig
11-01-2009, 01:27 PM
Tell this to Mazda...they seem to play by their own rules!!!
Actually a lot of people don't take this to Mazda, and it's not Mazda's job to abide by it. It's up to you (the consumer) to bring this information up to them and show them "ok this is a federal and state law, i want proof that my part (or whatever) was the result in the mechanical failure)"
If they don't attempt to give you proof/answers by then, the next step would be to get a lawyer and a bunch of other consumers going through similar issues and have a class action suit processed.
The reason why most people don't go through with it is because it can be time consuming, and on top of that it's kind of difficult and tedious to find a lawyer that is... what's the term? pro-bono or whatever crap? The kind that work for you and they don't get paid until the settlement?
Yeah, not many out there like that anymore (notcool)
Jonota
11-01-2009, 05:15 PM
The go between is this: the manufacturer or your aftermarket piece. I once had a problem with a Lincoln dealership. They were refusing to warranty the ignition on my LS (3.9L V8, COP ignition) due to Bosch spark plugs vs factory. They were ignoring the OIL all over the coil/plug boots and attributing a failed coil to BRAND NEW Bosch plugs. After I showed them the Magnusson vs Moss act, they still refused, and gave me the "get a lawyer" speech. Then I contacted Bosch, who was VERY interested to hear that the dealership was saying THEIR product was defective. You see, "most" aftermarket manufacturers verify their product actually works without causing damage to your vehicle. If they haven't, usually there's a disclaimer to that effect, as they can be held liable for any damages caused by their product without it. Of course... you have to be reasonable: a boost controller to 17psi, probably not an issue (although you'll drop off hard at the top end I imagine), turn it to 30 psi and you're just asking for it.
Jon
Koenig
11-01-2009, 05:28 PM
So what happened after you spoke with Bosch? lol
Jonota
11-05-2009, 07:07 PM
In this case, the dealership refused the service me (specifically said to "sue them"). Bosch said they needed a declaration in writing from the dealership to pursue charges in court. BBB took my report, and Ford/Lincoln pulled their dealership contract (but they were also GM/Pontiac so they stayed in business). Can't say the Ford pullout was specifically my case. I was contacted a few weeks later to have the car fixed, but I had already fixed it (was a $38 coil, I was complaining mostly on principle). Ford corporate was very apologetic throughout the process, and got the result I wanted over time. Had this been an ENGINE, or anything worth getting a lawyer over ($1000+), I would have, and won.
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