Why is everybody jumping ship?

[MPSpeedSeraph]

It seems I was away from the board for a while and I come back and find that everyone is jumping the MSP ship?

I've never seen so many people anxious and eager to get out of their vehicles?

Is there something I should know before I go buying one as a daily driver. I find my other car with a lot of downtime and also needing a daily driver that's better on gas mileage. I must say however it kind of spooks me to see everyone selling their MSP's off in a hurry (ughdance) . Is there something I should know about ahead of time? If so I'd rather spend the money on a simple get around car like a Honda Fit or something.

Whatever the case, does anybody know what's up? (dunno)

[neoturner]

I dunno. I'm a late arrival to the boards and have noticed some people leaving. The way I look at it is that every problem I will come across has already been dealt with by somebody on here so all I gotta do is search for my answer.

They are headed off to pioneer some more solutions for the next generations and I'll be there to scoop those up when I'm done with this car.

[smo0f]

rwd/awd > fwd

[98b/w pro]

has to do with a few things more than likely
-resale value is droping steadly
-end of alot of aftermarket support(new mazda line coming out)
-new mazdaspeed versions of other veichles(that don't clunk)
-ended warenties
-alot of blown motors

thats my guess I'll probaly get hella flamed for just posting in here. but this seems to be the biggest complaints/posible reasons. but hey I drive a second gen so who knows.
*edit* three people posted in the time it took me to write this. damn i type slow.

[MPSpeedSeraph]

That's not a bad idea. I mean I've been on the boards since late december/early january and I'm used to hearing complaints of a failed LSD or squeaks or whatever else there is. But it's still a bit daunting to be considering a car for purchase and seeing all the enthusiasts sneaking out the back door. If there's a new mistress that has stolen everyone's hearts please let me know because I would prefer the lesser of two evils. However now that I got the FD with gas prices going sky high and the down time it sees I'm going to need a fun daily driver that won't cost a ridiculous amount and that is good on gas mileage. Ideally my heart told me to go right back to the MSP but I'm not so sure anymore :(

[smo0f]

no it's true. the msp isn't that bad of a car though. as long as you stay out of turbo and only go in a straight line, nothing will break and you'll be fine.

[MPSpeedSeraph]

Well with all that said I agree RWD/AWD is a must but with the FD on the work up I don't need to worry about that. I'd be more than content with the FWD for daily duty. I mean worst comes to worst I may lose a few run ins while driving the MSP but I'd more than make up for it on weekends. I'm just wondering if I should be looking at a mazda 3 or mazdaspeed 3 instead?

[MPSpeedSeraph]

no it's true. the msp isn't that bad of a car though. as long as you stay out of turbo and only go in a straight line, nothing will break and you'll be fine.

LOL I sense a little bit of animosity towards the poor MSP

[ChiMSP]

has to do with a few things more than likely
-resale value is droping steadly
-end of alot of aftermarket support(new mazda line coming out)
-new mazdaspeed versions of other veichles(that don't clunk)
-ended warenties
-alot of blown motors

thats my guess I'll probaly get hella flamed for just posting in here. but this seems to be the biggest complaints/posible reasons. but hey I drive a second gen so who knows.
*edit* three people posted in the time it took me to write this. damn i type slow.
Good answer. I'm glad i sold mine when i did because it's really hard to find a buyer for this car let alone anyone who will pay 15k for it. I there where alot of bullshit little problems you have to be ready for when modding:
Clunk
Turkey
Shitty MAP/ hesitation
Weak rods
LSD
Rest assured there are ways around every problem that we have come up with. It was just a shame that i sold mine after i built the motor with forged rods and pistons, that baby was ready for anything. No regrets though, the S2000 keeps me happy :)

[ChiMSP]

Don't me me wrong though. I loved mine to death and it was sooooo fun to drive especially around twisties. If i could do it all over again... i would!

[smo0f]

yea well, i blew my engine with just a CAI and exhaust and mazda wouldn't cover it under warranty and wantd me to pay $10k for a new engine and turbo. I ain't exactly doing jumpin jacks. If the car was paid off and I didn't chose to rebuild the engine and just put in a junkyard engine instead, i would've attempted to trade it in.

[nocar]

sigh cmon guys dont remind me of this shit im actually considering buying another mp3 or msp lol

[smo0f]

yeah, don't do it.

[98b/w pro]

i'll sell you my soon to be turbo 2nd gen.

[txrxs]

most of us would rather walk the plank then break out the buckets.

[FBI14]

-Blowing stock engines left and right
-Repeated failing componets that are never going to be completely fixed by Mazda
-Advancements in engineering for the automotive world every year

some reasons I could think of

[Zhan]

Well, assuming most people bought new, they got their cars 3 years ago. So now isn't too farfetched a time to upgrade to a better car. Me, I just got mine last year so I'll have mine for a while.

[ChiMSP]

Well, assuming most people bought new, they got their cars 3 years ago. So now isn't too farfetched a time to upgrade to a better car. Me, I just got mine last year so I'll have mine for a while.
This too is a good arguement.

[sweetlou69]

ya i loved my MSP it was great. but it just cant handle mods too well unless u have lots of cash.i mean mine was tuned good and had lots of supportin mods and my fuel bump let go, radiator,LSD, my motor blew and i need the turbo rebuilt! and thats with only 35k on it and not beaten. plus u can hope in an evo or sti and those things stock rip better than most MSPs around. plus like the other post AWD is sweet. just alota reasons y people are jumpin ship..the cars like evo/stis hold crazy valuve too and have a huge aftermarket. theres certain places ive seen and u can order a motor or an exhaust manifold pay for it in full and be waitin over a year! what kind of business is that ya know?

[JDM Sam]

Bang per buck ratio. Too many enthusiasts coming to this car thinking it'll have the aftermarket potential of a Honda Civic.
And some cars are more ragged out by the owners than anything else. The car got in a wreck or the owner threw on mods sloppily. I've been getting a lot of 2nd or 3rd owners of MSP's coming to me to fix the shit that the previous owner did.

[altspace]

Hehe...buy a P5 then.

[BlkWidow]

Hehe...buy a P5 then.the P5 has the same motor, so i hope mine does not go BOOM =(. i am almost done with my tubro install and i only have 23,000 in 4yrs on the car. i will never sale the car i did that once with a car i still wish i had to day. =(

[novAKs47]

I'll bet some of the people that are ditching their MSP's are simply into buying a car, making a project out of it, then selling it. I could be wrong though. I've known a few people that would build up some awesome cars just for the fun of the build. Then they would turn around and sell the car, only to buy another project car.

[nvmsp]

car just needs a built motor and somewhat built transmission.

[smo0f]

car just needs a built motor and somewhat built transmission.

yea, 'just' those things. or, i dunno, here's an idea, buy a better car.

[Macs MSP]

I just hit 60,000 miles and have three seasons of autox on my MSP and all I've had to replace is brake pads and a set of sway bar bushings. Plus I live in Michigan where the roads are nothing but potholes.

I'll be buying a daily driver soon and keeping this car for autox only. I think it's the best car for autox. I was at a fun run event over the weekend and I had some of the best times of the day. The only cars that had better times were highly modified with veteran drivers. I spanked a couple EVOs and STIs, plus a couple Vetts. The MSP is so smooth in an autocross course it looks like your taking a Sunday stroll through the neighborhood.

I will never get rid of my MSP, I'll drive it untill it dies many, many, many years from now.

"Drag racing is for fast cars, AutoCross is for fast drivers"

Long live the MSP!!!!!

Hope I didn't jinx myself and break down on the way home.

[mspdfreak]

I needed more bang for the buck. I'm running 13.7s on my bone-stock '06 GT, and for less than 1k, could sitting at 400hp.

[dirtysouth_msp]

Quitters...lol

All cars have problems. Some have more than others. Any car that is being modified for performance has much more potential for things to break. Any car that is driven like it was stolen also has much more potential for problems. One thing that people are not taking into account is that the reliability of 4,000 or so MSPs that were target-marketed to young tuner enthusiasts can not be accurately compared with the reliability of 4,000,000 non-performance enhanced Honda Civics that were marketed to the Econo-market segment. With this said, it is obvious that on average the MSPs are being driven a lot harder. Probably 90% of MSP sales are to people who drive the hell out of the car. This percent is way lower on other cars such as civics. Think about the average civic driver, most of them are not tuners and probably would not even know what that means. Also, unlike the civics, the MSP is an aftermarket machine in stock form. I mean, everthing that makes it an MSP, rather than an ES, are aftermarket parts (with the exception of stock plastic pipes, etc).

A friend of mine has gone through 3 cars in the time I've had my MSP. First he got a Focus SVT, then a Neon SRT4 and now an Audi TT Quattro. Each of these cars have already spent more time at the dealer than my MSP and I had the dealer replace my short-block (warrantied).

I will say this, buying a used performance car is a gamble. I don't care what kind of car it is. You never know what the previous owner has done or how they drove the car when they had it.

[NeverSober]

my scoob > my msp

[jmv]

MSP kicks ass IMO.

I've not had it for all too long, and i have had some transmission problems. But hey, its a totally badass car if you ask me. I wouldn't want anything else. I wish i could keep this car forever, unfortunately i don't think i could afford that, just from the costs of maintaing an old vehicle (been there done that, it sucks).

[JOMO]

keeping mine for a while. No regrets, great car. When something does happen, built motor comes into play.

[Dr.Sound]

rwd/awd > fwd ;)

[98b/w pro]

torqu steer is fun.

wait no it isnt.

[jeffmsp]

nothing is wrong with the MSP motor. people are just idiots or cheap asses. whats 505zoom putting down on the stock motor again? How many qm passes did blkzoomzooms car last? Then some dipshit sets 12psi with a 98% stock setup and wonders what happened. how many of you have legit msp motor failures that were not caused by your modding? Very few, compare that to the amount of vehicles made and I doubt its anymore less reliable than a normal protege. should i try to have the boost gauge at 14psi when i videotape mine clicking 100,000 K lol

[jeffmsp]

even the "big LSD problem" is totally tuner related. If you make more power and break it, buy a quiffe or stfu and hapily use the new lsd mazda gives you. if you are out of warranty then you shouldnt be fucking with your car if you cant even afford to fix it. if you drive it like a normal person there isnt even an issure i dont think.

[jeffmsp]

and whats wrong with a motor that can take close to 300WHP on stock internals? Man you people whine. man up and buy some rods if you need to go faster than that. what di you think you were buying a 12 second car cause its orange lol

[hayula]

my theory is many people misunderstood the intentions of this car. was meant to be a decent looker/quick steering fun car for suburban commutes: good torque, fun gearing within budget. most pople who are getting out were expecting an evo or something so they got dissapointed.

[nvmsp]

you've gotta put money into the car just like any. Yes it shoulda came with better rods,EM, and tranny but look at how much it was boosting from the factory...barely nothing.

Even Evo's and Srt4's blow up, just turning up the boost and thinking everything will be fine, and then driving like your in F&F all the time doesnt help either with motors or transmissions.


Personally I really don't want to lose this car. When I'm done with it, it will be built, boosting alot, and be every thing I wanted out of the car. Not to mention how good the car looks. Even when i do buy a new car, I won't sell it or trade it in.

Anyone who's really modded knows what this car can do. I love this car period. You only get back what you put in.

[ChiMSP]

I wont bash the MSP. I loved every moment of it. The looks, it's uniqueness... 100% fun regardless of all the little bullshit that pissed me off. It was a love hate relationship. I didn't mind all of the money i dumped into mine.

[FBI14]

nothing is wrong with the MSP motor.
The FS does not have weak Rods? I enjoy my car but how many factory turbo charged cars have blown their engines completely stock and on stock boost

[ghettobubba2001]

The FS does not have weak Rods?


its all the way you take care of your car.... obiviously it has weak rods if you boost 15 lbs for awhile untuned? .... the car runs perfectly tuned. i really dont think that this car has "The weakest" rods of all but i damn sure know boosting in 5th and constantly driving your car like shit will make any rods bend easily.

[Dr.Sound]

I wont bash the MSP. I loved every moment of it. The looks, it's uniqueness... 100% fun regardless of all the little bullshit that pissed me off. It was a love hate relationship. I didn't mind all of the money i dumped into mine. she was like a really beautifull girl, with the worst case of mood swings.
one minute she loves me and throws herself at me....next minute she hesitates and bitches at my every move.

it's those relationships that you remember the longest though....... :(

she reminds me of my ex.....

[sandspeed]

the msp rules, my car is fun as hell to drive. Its not the fastest or the best car but it sure puts a smile on my face when i want it to. so many people think my msp is a 2005 and when i tell them 03 they cant believe it

[awsmp5]

o well i pretty much just jumped on the protege ship... as i'm only in high school it'll be a looong time before i buy another car

[nvmsp]

I'd also love to have more info on the MSP's that have blown up, that are completely stock.
When i was stock + a Greddy type S and before the type S, I would beat the shit out of my car. End of redline all the time, boosting in 5th and almost maxing out the Speedo, chirping gears. Even when my wastegate was broken i tried to pop the motor. I was running the shit out of it, watching my boost gauge hit 15psi and going into redline. Not one thing happened. I wanted it to blow and couldnt get it to blow. I've also bounced off the rev limiter a handful of times or more.

When i was stock, I wouldnt let it warm up, and then i would run 1st gear-through 4th gear, against a turbo jetta everyday afterschool and watching a Srt leave us both. So there are times when i have treated my car like shit but yet nothing has ever broken during this time.

How do these stock MSP's blow up? I couldnt have treated my car any worse when I was stock, so what happened to these MSP'S that have caused them to blow up?

[incognito1]

I can honestly say that I love my little MSP, but alas, when you're 6'6", it ain't the most comfortable car in the world. I love the gas mileage, and the fact it can beat up on alot of the little box cars with a fart can on them, but I need about 6 more inches of leg room........

[dirtysouth_msp]

I can honestly say that I love my little MSP, but alas, when you're 6'6", it ain't the most comfortable car in the world. I love the gas mileage, and the fact it can beat up on alot of the little box cars with a fart can on them, but I need about 6 more inches of leg room........

I'm 6'1" and with the seat all the way back, I can't come close to pushing the clutch all of the way in, unless I am slumped down below the steering wheel. These cars really have a lot of interior space compared to most cars of similar size.

By the way, how's the air up there? lol

[smo0f]

I didn't beat on my car. I think it was more of an issue to do with oil/lubrication than anything.


I'd also love to have more info on the MSP's that have blown up, that are completely stock.
When i was stock + a Greddy type S and before the type S, I would beat the shit out of my car. End of redline all the time, boosting in 5th and almost maxing out the Speedo, chirping gears. Even when my wastegate was broken i tried to pop the motor. I was running the shit out of it, watching my boost gauge hit 15psi and going into redline. Not one thing happened. I wanted it to blow and couldnt get it to blow. I've also bounced off the rev limiter a handful of times or more.

When i was stock, I wouldnt let it warm up, and then i would run 1st gear-through 4th gear, against a turbo jetta everyday afterschool and watching a Srt leave us both. So there are times when i have treated my car like shit but yet nothing has ever broken during this time.

How do these stock MSP's blow up? I couldnt have treated my car any worse when I was stock, so what happened to these MSP'S that have caused them to blow up?

[Pretzellogic]

Part of it may be that the community is imploding. We've lost regular contribution from some of the most experienced members via politics.

I used to check this board several times a day. Now it's a couple times a week.

Note to the newbies: use the damn search button.

[txrxs]

Part of it may be that the community is imploding. We've lost regular contribution from some of the most experienced members via politics.

I used to check this board several times a day. Now it's a couple times a week.

Note to the newbies: use the damn search button.

I miss you...<3

[TommyBDragon]

Im estatic I actually got my hands on one of these little prizes. Ive wanted one ever since I heard the MP3 was coming out. Although I couldnt afford one at the time, once I heard a new turbo version was due, I knew I had to get one. Took me 3 years but I'll be damed if I let her go. I love the car, even with its quirks. And we are a special group. Only 3700 some odd versions of these are rolling around. To own a rare care is icing on the cake for me.

[RallyeRedSi]

the only thing i hate is the hesitation and the clunk other than that i love my car

[ping]

I've had the MSP for >3 years now, but originally wanted a MiniS really bad... then revisited that "want", then even desired a LR Discovery (yellow, with a snorkel and some offroad goodies, don't ask why, even I don't know)... but Sunday I saw a blue MP3 whip into the parking lot of the little Thai restaurant my wife and I were going to, and thought "hey, that's a clean little design", and remembered my black one was just like that, and fell in love with the MSP all over again. Nothing drives as "clean" and fun (MiniS included) in this class of car.

One thing I really appreciate is (are) the good sightlines out of the MSP - a nice low beltline, thin roof pillars, and I don't feel like I'm driving from the bottom of a really fast bathtub (SRT4, Celica, etc).

So... the question remains - why are people trading in/up?

The car still has some residual value. In another couple-three years, it'll be "just" another used car, with lower $ value, and people with shorter attention spans, or larger wallets, or who choose something new every few years naturally want to make a more reasonable economic decision - despite there never really being a great economic justification for a trade-up every couple years.

I still really like my MSP. Would I love something else more? Maybe - the newer Legacy GTs and Outback XTs (the turbocharged ones) are a little more grown up, and maybe when/if I choose a more "grown up" image car then I'll jump ship too. Hopefully it won't be for a while though!

[smo0f]

the msp handles so nice (especially after the awr rear sway bar bushing replacement) that i try on purpose to spin out the car on turns or at least get a tire squeak but it's tough...i think i need to simmer down a bit. i bet when i get the mpi tuner in i will be less bitter about this car.

[nvmsp]

I didn't beat on my car. I think it was more of an issue to do with oil/lubrication than anything.

What, did you not change your oil or what oil did u use?

[smo0f]

What, did you not change your oil or what oil did u use?

ugh, i dunno. i did change the oil. apparently some areas werent getting lubricated very well (?). It's all bullshit really, I did nothing wrong. Oh well. Engines shouldn't go on a 40k mile car from 03, that's just unheard of. If i had upped the boost, sure, I'll take blame. Eitherway, (eekfu) to mazda coorporation and dealerships.

[txrxs]

ships ahoy mates:
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=201344450&dealer_id=57817675&car_year=2003&search_type=both&make=MAZDA&distance=100&model=PROTE&address=46250&certified=&advanced=&max_price=&bkms=1146594115146&min_price=&end_year=2003&start_year=2003&isp=y&lang=en&cardist=0
couldnt help it:)

[Dr.Sound]

if there was no evo, i would have never traded my car in.....ever.

[nvmsp]

some lady cut me off nasty today. lady tried to beat traffic (me and another car) and cross in front of us to get to the middle of the street to go the opposite direction.

The car to the left of me keeps going, when he see's this bitch tryin to make it to the middle of the street ,like a split second before both of us impale the side of her Focus.

Of course she decides to stop right in front of me to avoid hitting the car to the left of me, I swerve to the right sharply and avoid hitting this ho by 1ft.

I was going like 45-50mph at the time, so the Mazdaspeed handling saved my car. No out of control swerving either, car just stuck to the ground like it was on a course.

I turned around caught up to this bitch and gave her hell for about 5 min.,cutting her ugly ass off and screaming at her but of course she kept her windows up.

(I didn't kno it was a chick until I caught back up to her to scream at this person. I was hoping it was a dude but it wasnt) Hope that ho learned her lesson today.
To all the ladies sorry , but this lady deserves to be called a bitch and ho and any other names that you can think of.

Thank u Mazdaspeed handling.

[sweetlou69]

nothing is wrong with the MSP motor. people are just idiots or cheap asses. whats 505zoom putting down on the stock motor again? How many qm passes did blkzoomzooms car last? Then some dipshit sets 12psi with a 98% stock setup and wonders what happened. how many of you have legit msp motor failures that were not caused by your modding? Very few, compare that to the amount of vehicles made and I doubt its anymore less reliable than a normal protege. should i try to have the boost gauge at 14psi when i videotape mine clicking 100,000 K lol

hey man not all people are idiots.. i had every major mod and a very conservative tune..i was at like a 10.5 on my wideband.. and was only boosting around 6-7 psi...i never really bet on the car.. MY lsd went then my turbo and motor blew..thats pretty crazy for a 2003 w/35k on them. thats when i realized i should jump ship

[mspdfreak]

I'm 6'1" and with the seat all the way back, I can't come close to pushing the clutch all of the way in, unless I am slumped down below the steering wheel. These cars really have a lot of interior space compared to most cars of similar size.

By the way, how's the air up there? lolHell, my MSP had much more room than my new GT does!

[FlyinMSP]

I love my MSP. Hardly had any problems. When one learns how to drive a turbo car properly, the MSP is a pure blast, especially on winding roads :)

[JDM Sam]

Oh well, send your car myway and I'll fix your MSP woes.

[smo0f]

all you gotta say is 'cunt'. they love that word.


some lady cut me off nasty today. lady tried to beat traffic (me and another car) and cross in front of us to get to the middle of the street to go the opposite direction.

The car to the left of me keeps going, when he see's this bitch tryin to make it to the middle of the street ,like a split second before both of us impale the side of her Focus.

Of course she decides to stop right in front of me to avoid hitting the car to the left of me, I swerve to the right sharply and avoid hitting this ho by 1ft.

I was going like 45-50mph at the time, so the Mazdaspeed handling saved my car. No out of control swerving either, car just stuck to the ground like it was on a course.

I turned around caught up to this bitch and gave her hell for about 5 min.,cutting her ugly ass off and screaming at her but of course she kept her windows up.

(I didn't kno it was a chick until I caught back up to her to scream at this person. I was hoping it was a dude but it wasnt) Hope that ho learned her lesson today.
To all the ladies sorry , but this lady deserves to be called a bitch and ho and any other names that you can think of.

Thank u Mazdaspeed handling.

[Kansei]

my theory is many people misunderstood the intentions of this car. was meant to be a decent looker/quick steering fun car for suburban commutes: good torque, fun gearing within budget. most pople who are getting out were expecting an evo or something so they got dissapointed.

Yeah.. it was just an attempt to fix the one low point of the MP3. I'm still planning on buying a low mileage stock MSP at the end of summer, and I think I'll be one of the happiest MSP owners once I have one, because I know all the weaknesses and drawbacks of the car, but also know how well it handles and that it is faster than my P5 stock.

[Pirana]

I dont know I came back to the sinking ship :eek:

[Kansei]

I dont know I came back to the sinking ship :eek:

But are you happy with the car? If I had a car that looked like yours I would be :)

[Pirana]

Hehehe, well it started as a bone stock MSP....and I did get rid of an STi and NSX....I love this car...donnowhy.(poke)

[Kansei]

Hehehe, well it started as a bone stock MSP....and I did get rid of an STi and NSX....I love this car...donnowhy.(poke)

It's the zoom-zoom.. you can't escape it.

[Pirana]

You got it...they are bad ass cars, and wouldnt hesitate to own them again...but in my mind was always the little P5 I let get away....:(

[MPSpeedSeraph]

Pirana makes me want to get one :P

[MPSpeedSeraph]

Okay so I can't post on the other thread I started and I don't know why. But I was asking everyone about what they thought. I found a guy with 3700 miles on his used MSP for sale and was asking 19k for it. I was interested but wanted to know how much to offer him cause 19k is a little on the crazy side. So here's what's up. I'd post this in my other thread but it won't let me (pissed)

Okay so I ask him about the mileage and this was his response

"The car was a weekend car, original miles, I was very cautious on where I drove the car. Never took it out in the rain or even on any day with an indication of bad weather. There is still a 1 1/2 year full coverage warranty left on the car as well which is also nice. It pretty much is brand new with some extra products included for customization if you want to. Get back to me and let me know if this car is for you. I prefer a phone call if you are very interested."

Then I sent him a response saying the car was usually sold for LESS than 19k off dealer floors brand new and that I would like to negotiate the price. I also told him if he was firm at 19k then he should get back to me in a month when he hadn't sold it (no disrespect intended).

Then he responds

"Firm on the $19,000, considering what I am also giving the customer and the few miles that are on the car. I realize the car is almost 3 years old, but it is a limited production car and is in excellent condition. I am not willing to bring it much lower than this because I have had a few people interested and the price suited them, but first come first serve is what I want. Any autotrader website, kelley blue book, edmunds, etc. has this car selling even higher than what I am asking for and a lot more miles are on the cars. Also this is the rarest color of the mazdaspeed protege made. However if you are really serious, like I said before call my # and we will talk."

What should I tell this guy? cause apparently he's living a pipe dream.

[JDM Sam]

Actually with only 3700 miles thats a good price. There is no declared value for the Mazdaspeed version in some people's books. It doesn't matter if it went for less than 19k new. There are no more of these cars and his is in near new condition with the break in just barely done. The car is not found with that low of miles usually, he is selling it per the market conditions and demands. It is a niche car and there will be a buyer that will pay it. You know you want it b/c it's has low mileage. Is it a spicy orange?

[RallyeRedSi]

Oh well, send your car myway and I'll fix your MSP woes.


if you can fix my cel i will drive all the way to texas (first)

[MPSpeedSeraph]

It's laser blue. I still don't see this car being a solid 19k. I'm sure someone will pay it. It won't be me though.

[MPSpeedSeraph]

Blah. Still not worth 19k I think. anyone else want to chime in?

[MPSpeedSeraph]

LoL so the guy actually posted the car for 19500 now. Am I wrong for thinking the price should be a little more reasonable?

[ChiMSP]

19k? no way many people didn't even pay that brand new off the lot. I bought mine for 18k brand spanking new. If it were yellow, orange or maybe black i'd think about it.

[MPSpeedSeraph]

I agree. Regardless of color though I don't think the car in ANY condition other than possibly heavily modified would warrant a price tag of 19.5k

I love the laser blue. Personally I would like a Black MSP and just do an 03.5 conversion of the spoiler and front bumper. We'll see how it goes but this guy is just unbelievable with his price. Whatever though, I wish him the best lol.

[ChiMSP]

Blazing Yellow and Spicy Orange for me. I wouldn't mess with the 03 look, it looks nice "as is" for those colors the same goes for the 03.5.

[MPSpeedSeraph]

Really? I feel the black mica would have looked a lot better in the 03.5 trim. just my 2 cents though.

[nvmsp]

I wanted a black MSP but it looked to light of a black. I wanted it darker so the next best thing i think, was the titanium. Plus I thought the bigger wing etc. looked better.

[MPSpeedSeraph]

well for peace of mind and ease I always like the laser blue. I was excited to see that one for sale and even though it is in pristine condition I still don't think it warrants a price of 19k.

And what's even worse is instead of going down in price the guy actually posted it up with a new price of 19500.. honestly... wtf? lol

Not to say I won't pay a decent amount for this car maybe in the 16xxx or 17xxx range seeing as it's practically a brand new car. But still lets be serious 19500?

[Pirana]

Just for your info...MP3Architect bought his blue MSP with 11k miles for around $13k~14k

[MPSpeedSeraph]

See what I mean. 13-14k?!

I mean this one is BARELY out of the break in period with just shy of 3700 miles and it's in perfect condition which is understandable but this guy seems to think that market value is APPRECIATING on this car. I don't know WHERE he got his facts from. He says NADA, Kelley Blue Book and Edmunds rate his car as resale for +19k. I don't really know what to tell this guy. I'm scared to say anything cause it seems almost pointless to bother with someone SO concerned with making the buck, regardless of how outrageous it may be.

[ChiMSP]

Really? I feel the black mica would have looked a lot better in the 03.5 trim. just my 2 cents though.
Sure, but in my opinoin i love the look of the 03 for the black and and orange.

[Velocifero]

i love my car, got it for 14.500 with 11.900 miles on it

[MPSpeedSeraph]

So what should I tell this guy? Or should I even bother?

[JDM Sam]

dont bother. its modded & its not spicy orange its not worth it :)

[RallyeRedSi]

I actually check kelley abou tprivate selling a MSP and this is what you get

Because the market for this trim level is unusually small, specialized or otherwise unique, we are not able to report a Private Party value.

[MPSpeedSeraph]

that's exactly my point. I already checked that. However i didn't check NADA or edmunds. Do any of the sites have value listed on the MSP?

Bah whatever even if it is a nice car I'm more interested in picking up Daedalus' MSP :] I have evil thoughts when I think of that car and what I could do to it lol.