shifting - reving

[Josh_160]

what rpm does everyone shift at?? and how bad is it, or is it bad to shift at 5500 rpm with mp5?? haha

[iLisa]

I shift at 3 or 4k usually.. what kinda gas mileage are you getting?

[wildo]

Depends on my mood. I would say a low avg. of 5500- but I drive like I am racing constantly. It is just so fun to drive a P5!

As far as is it bad- well, higher rev means more stress... that is pretty obvious. Just be sure to use quality synthetic oil, and do consistant oil changes. I also upgraded to RedLine Tranny fluid.

By the way- i tried once shifting at 3000 and keeping it under 65miles at all times (i did a lot of highway driving at the time- now it is all city driving). My mileage was only 2mpg better. So choice is yours- drive your car how you want, and have fun. Or drive like a grandma, be bored out of your mind and asve a couple pints... Choice was clear for me...

[wildo]

My downshift revs are at 4000. I practice heel and toe shifting

[pfive]

i shift at about 2800-3500 depending on my mood. sometimes (like this morning) i was merging onto the highway in 2nd at like 5500 around the ramp turn and it was totally insane! im getting about 28 mpg (80 hwy/20 stop n go)

[Flash5]

I granny the hell out of it. I shift usually at 2500rpm in 1st-4th and mostly 2000rpm in 5th. I know but the mileage is worth it. I get around 27mpg city and I really haven't done much highway but from what I have its around 33mpg.

[aMaff]

My downshift revs are at 4000. I practice heel and toe shifting
heheh, yep, I'm about the same. I usually blip to 4000, unless I'm doing 3-2. To get that one smooth I've got to hit about 4500. Anyway, to answer your question, depending on how I"m feeling and what's going on road / traffic wise, between 3500 and 5000 (generally right around 4-4.5k tho)

Very VERY rarely will I zing it to red line, and I've never hit the limiter. Our rods are too fragile to do that on a regular basis.

[PlatinumMSP]

pretty much i shift from 6100-6500 in my msp, unless my mom is in the car, then i shift at 5000 haha

[chuyler1]

If I'm behind grandma I just shift at 2500. If I've got the open road in front of me I'll shift at 3500. If I'm on the go, I'll shift at 6000 RPM.

[vcinsanity1523]

normal driving i shit at about 2800

[Salmon_Rob]

6750

[aMaff]

normal driving i shit at about 2800
that's why I use the bathroom before I leave the house...................(rlaugh)

[chuyler1]

LOL!!! I totally missed that.

[clicknext]

Hahaha.

I totally granny the car too. Usually shift between 2500 and 3000, depends on a lot of factors. If I really need to get going quick, might go up to 4000, but not much higher. I get 29 mpg, still not good, but oh well, I get sorta nervous that im gonna kill something if I shift high, lol.

[wannabe]

that's why I use the bathroom before I leave the house...................(rlaugh)

lol

[PlatinumMSP]

Hahaha.

I totally granny the car too. Usually shift between 2500 and 3000, depends on a lot of factors. If I really need to get going quick, might go up to 4000, but not much higher. I get 29 mpg, still not good, but oh well, I get sorta nervous that im gonna kill something if I shift high, lol.

wow did you lose your man card? just playin' man, we need conservative drivers on the road too, its good for the envirnoment, saves you gas money, and it leaves room for us speeders to go around you too

[h8rsnv]

i do 3000 unless i want to let out the turkey, then i really give it a go.probably to around 5000 - 5500 then shift.

[aMaff]

wow did you lose your man card? just playin' man, we need conservative drivers on the road too, its good for the envirnoment, saves you gas money, and it leaves room for us speeders to go around you too
funny story...I was stuck in traffic behind a C4 vett w/ the t-tops off. Anyway, a pickup truck pulls up besides him and they start talking. Anyway, the semi in front of the vette pulls up a ways and the vets still sitting there and I'm like wtf? So all of a sudden I hear *ROOOOAAAAARRRRRR* *SCCRRREEEEEEEEECH*

Dude did a burnout in the middle of the freeway, it was funny as hell. Did a little tail wag and everything lol

[FunkyBuddha]

2500-3500rpm regularly, and redline if I wanna pass somebody or in a hurry.

[JOMO]

3k normal.

4-6800k mostly 75% of the day.

[wannabe]

3-4000 normally.

[CoupWCU]

I usually shift at 3000-3500, I'll shift higher if i'm trying to pass someone or in a fast mood. I'm getting about 32 mpg or about 380 miles per tank...its mostly highway miles.

[Blade4804]

I have no idea when i shift... my dx didn't come with a Tach... but i am swapping clusters here in a few days and I'll let ya know :D

[.paul]

I usually take it to about 8500 :D

[djdanny5000]

well i have an auto but i usualluy give it to gas to shift at about 3500 - 4500 rpm

[vcinsanity1523]

that's why I use the bathroom before I leave the house...................(rlaugh)

lol hahah ya ya I have my fun with it when i get on it i get on it but when im driving regular i mean fuck gas is $3.19 a gallon for Premium shit im not trying to fill my tank everday lol

[aMaff]

lol hahah ya ya I have my fun with it when i get on it i get on it but when im driving regular i mean fuck gas is $3.19 a gallon for Premium shit im not trying to fill my tank everday lol
damn...that's the one reason I'm glad I don't have an MSP. I actually found gas for $2.67 for the regular stuff yesterday! I was like nuh-uh, that sign's busted lol.

[the tortoise]

Because the 1st to 2nd ratio difference is so large, I'll take it to 4k-4.5k in first then ~3k in the other gears.

I hate it when people ride my ass because the 1st-2st gears are spaced so far apart.

[neoturner]

Prolly round 3500 for me on average. I never downshift. brakes are cheaper than clutches and transmissions. Knock on wood but I have never had to replace either in any car I've had for the last 10 years.

[mpf1v3]

i shift around 2500-3000... when i get the need for speed.. then around 5000-6500

[winty87]

depends on what gear i'm leaving and which one i'm going into. I only rev 1st up to 2500 then 2nd is 3500 then 3 then back down to 2500 going into 5th when I'm liberally driving it. when I want speed I really only go up to 4500 or 5.

[Josh_160]

well are high rpm's gonna be really bad for mp5 with 135000 km?

[Salmon_Rob]

*sigh* no. the redline is well below the cars safe rev limit

[Josh_160]

ooo really thats awesome i was told i was gonna blow somthin up if i hit redline a couple times so ive keep it under 5 all the time but if its not gonna blow up or anythin i can have more fun thanks

[Josh_160]

and what is heel and toe shifting?

[JCell]

depends on what song id playing, usually i'll shift at 3500, when in a hurry at 5500

[Dark_Phantom]

Yeah, I've gone over the redline a few times... You know how it is, trying to pass some douchebag in an automatic muscle car who doesn't want to let you over so you got to show him what's up. I certainly don't granny my car. I accelerate pretty quickly, and I shift at around 3k to 4k, typically, and the lowest mileage in town I've ever gotten (in winter) is 27. Now that things are warming up around here, I've been getting 30 in town. My proudest mileage moment was going to Kansas to visit my father who lives three hours away and getting 42 mpg highway.:)

[anarchistchiken]

You know how it is, trying to pass some douchebag in an automatic muscle car who doesn't want to let you over so you got to show him what's up.
Oh wow



I granny the hell out of it. I shift usually at 2500rpm in 1st-4th and mostly 2000rpm in 5th. I know but the mileage is worth it. I get around 27mpg city and I really haven't done much highway but from what I have its around 33mpg.

Hate to break this to ya buddy, but I shift at at least 4K most of the time and I constantly speed up and slow down, even on the interstate, and I get the exact same mileage as you. These cars are designed to be fun, so have some fun! Even if you lose 10 miles per tank, it'll be worth it.

[Salmon_Rob]

wow...did your p5 come with the v8 option Dark Phantom?

[ZoomZoomH]

5500rpm is high?

[Salmon_Rob]

nah dawg, i got my p5 to 11! thats right, while i was racing a gto, beating him. and i was stock yo. and i got 55 mpg while i was doing it

[Rac3rX]

With the Manual Transmition whenyou chainge the Oil doesnt this also change the Tranny fluid, and on a Auto Tranny you need to change both a tranny fluid and the oil?

Also is the "Sport Auto" The auto with a manual mode is it the same as a Manual (Only the oil need be changed) or a regular auto (Tranny fluid and Oil need be changed)?

[Salmon_Rob]

um. no. they are both seperate units, and both need their fluid changed

[smo0f]

motor oil and transmission oil are two separate entities

[Rac3rX]

How much is it to change the tranny fluid and how often should I do it?

[Salmon_Rob]

ever 90 k is what the owners manual says iirc.

[Rac3rX]

ever 90 k is what the owners manual says iirc.

Im at 36K (kilometers), but I track the car so Id like to get it done, none the less

what it go for??

[Salmon_Rob]

can you do it yourself or are you paying for it

[Rac3rX]

Ill pay fo it, I dont even have Jack stands...

[smo0f]

if you know how to change motor oil, tranny fluid is easier to change. dont know how often.

edit: i'm too slow.

[Salmon_Rob]

depends on the shop. from 90 - 150

[Rac3rX]

depends on the shop. from 90 - 150


(shocked) WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (shocked)

DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!

WTF is that if its easier then changing the oil??? Thats retarded!!

Next week is going to DENT my pocket (pissed)

[Protege52003]

read an article on gas milage and they said; to get the best milage, accelerate WOT till you get to your cruising speed then cruise at that speed. it was in my car and driver magazine? will have to find it and post exactly what they say......

BTW: i shift on the high end most of the time! then engine likes the upper RPM range!

-R

[sandspeed]

when i'm not in a rush I shift at anywhere from 2200 to 2800, but when
i'm pushin it 4300 to 4500. gas is to expensive!!

[Protege52003]

when i'm not in a rush I shift at anywhere from 2200 to 2800, but when
i'm pushin it 4300 to 4500. gas is to expensive!!

seems when i drive my protege hard it does not hurt my milage as much as it does when i drive my jetta hard (boosting). the needle falls fast in the jetta when driving hard but gets better milage then the P5 when taking it easy!

-R

[.paul]

and what is heel and toe shifting?
(google) Your answer is here, click to learn. (http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/howto/articles/45792/article.html)

All the pimps know how to do it. I'm still not used to the gearing on this car, I still over or under rev sometimes. Whatever I get close enough for government work haha

[Boston5761]

why are you heel toe shifting?? we have synchronized trannys...

[aMaff]

All the pimps know how to do it.
(werd)

[aMaff]

why are you heel toe shifting?? we have synchronized trannys...
I don't get it...I think you're thinking of double clutching. Heel and toe alows you to brake and downshift at the same time, while matching revs, so you're not upsetting the car while you do so.

Also puts less wear on clutch, motor mounts, tranny, diff, etc

[.paul]

why are you heel toe shifting?? we have synchronized trannys...
less wear on the syncro's when they don't have to do their job.

[.paul]

I don't get it...I think you're thinking of double clutching.
Ya not granny shifting and double clutching like ya should, ya neva had me - ya neva had ya kaaa
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i239/Pauls_Images/aa062201d.jpg


(smash) sorry, I couldn't help myself.

[aMaff]

Ya not granny shifting and double clutching like ya should, ya neva had me - ya neva had ya kaaa
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i239/Pauls_Images/aa062201d.jpg


(smash) sorry, I couldn't help myself.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
http://users.wpi.edu/~mariojf/TFATF_Vtec_ownz.JPG

[.paul]

F'nF references, FTW!! (ghey)

[Boston5761]

Little off topic.....

When sitting at redlights, etc.. do you guy's keep car infirst and just keep clutch pressed in...or do you put your car in neutral an just use brake?

[aMaff]

Little off topic.....
heh, yep.

When sitting at redlights, etc.. do you guy's keep car infirst and just keep clutch pressed in...or do you put your car in neutral an just use brake?
neutral. Because, at least for me, after a little bit my leg'll start letting up on the clutch (w/o me noticing), causing more wear on the clutch and the throwout bearing. Put it in neutral and watch the lights, it works for me.

[.paul]

Leave it in neutral and foot off the clutch. If there is no grade and the car doesn't start rolling, I prolly won't press the brakes unless there is traffic coming up to me.

[Dark_Phantom]

wow...did your p5 come with the v8 option Dark Phantom?

No. I should have put "muscle car" in quotes, because I was being sarcastic. I'm not talking like Corvettes or Vipers... I live in Kansas City, not California. For some reason around here, there are a lot of douchebags who think they have a fast car when they don't, particularly individuals who drive Mustangs... Most of the time (the exception being when they have a v-8) I can look over at a light and if they have both hands on the wheel instead of one on a shifter, I've already won.

As far as at a light, depending on how lazy I am, I typically just leave it in first unless I know it's a long light, or I am a few cars back from it. I have the seat scooted forward enough that it's not a far stretch to keep the clutch down.

[Protege52003]

[quote=Boston5761
When sitting at redlights, etc.. do you guy's keep car infirst and just keep clutch pressed in...or do you put your car in neutral an just use brake?[/quote]

leave in N and and leave clutch fully engaged! pissed me off when people drive my car and leave it in gear with clutch in sitting at red lights......

i just watch the lights.......

-R

[aMaff]

leave in N and and leave clutch fully engaged! pissed me off when people drive my car and leave it in gear with clutch in sitting at red lights......

i just watch the lights.......

-R
my zoom doesn't like other people driving my car (shady)

[Rac3rX]

Who powershifts at the track???

Yeah, My "Zoom" Dont let ANYBODY drive her but me.

[.paul]

If you loath your transmission you'll powershift. I have ill skills so I don't powershift, I just shift very quickly and not miss gears because I rock socks...now if I could only get a short shifter I could shift even quicker.

[Rac3rX]

If you loath your transmission you'll powershift. I have ill skills so I don't powershift, I just shift very quickly and not miss gears because I rock socks...now if I could only get a short shifter I could shift even quicker.

I havnt done it myself. Im quite proud of my shift speed (10:16 in the 1/8 with only a intake and exhaust) Dumping the clutch at launch & with no powershifts.

I just watched this show on Speed where they did some 1/4 comparisons, and he was powershifting each car.

If somebody knows how to powershift properly shouldnt you be able to get a faster 1/4 time then if you off throttle shift?

And has Anybody Powershifted there Protege at the track and compared runs to reguler shifting?

[Dark_Phantom]

I am going to put down the Ignorance Card on this one and ask what you guys are talking about. Powershifting? Dumping the clutch ( is it the same as "popping" the clutch?)? Throttle shift? I guess I'm not hip in the new terminology.

[Kansei]

I shift at 7k quite frequently, but try to keep it below 5500RPMs when others are in the car. I can't do that whole "always shift at 2500rpms" crap. I tried but the car just doesn't get moving quickly enough. I'll shift out of 1st at 3k and 2nd at 4k and then shift at 3k for the rest when I'm driving lightly and seeing if I can get some decent gas mileage numbers.

[Red5_02]

7k?! Isn't that a bit much. I mean you start losing power around like 6k, especially in first. I try to shift between 5 and a half and 6. 7 sounds a little like overkill to me.

[Kansei]

7k?! Isn't that a bit much. I mean you start losing power around like 6k, especially in first. I try to shift between 5 and a half and 6. 7 sounds a little like overkill to me.

Yeah but then I shift and I'm right near peak power again. If I shifted at 5k it would take a bit longer to get back to peak power. Plus, last I checked the power doesn't just die right after our peak HP. I should really dyno my car :P

[Red5_02]

True but the power doesn't keep rising either. Guess it really doesn't matter. You got balls though.

[Josh_160]

gimme those rims kanseiZM cause i made this thread and those are sick rims

[Kansei]

ok sure












I don't know why everyone likes them so much, it's not like they are pricey or anything. Just simple gunmetal wheels with a chrome lip on the inside instead of the outside. They are modeled after the Yokohama Advan Kreuzer Vs but you can get all 4 shipped for less than the price of one Advan wheel.

got them off wheelmax.com

[Blade4804]

i shift between 3 and 4k now that i have a tach... when i drive hard i shift at 5 sometimes but I like to keep my rpm's down

[.paul]

I am going to put down the Ignorance Card on this one and ask what you guys are talking about. Powershifting? Dumping the clutch ( is it the same as "popping" the clutch?)? Throttle shift? I guess I'm not hip in the new terminology.
S'all gravy homie. Perhaps I can shed some light on everything for ya.

Dumping the clutch (a.k.a. popping the clutch): rev your car up to desired engine speed, side step the clutch. I didn't say slowly release or try to modulate the clutch release, I mean completely side step it. The idea is to launch with the maximum amount of horsepower, but not enough to turn your tires into smoke. This is another drag racing technique.

Throttle shifting: never heard of it.

[Phoenix5]

These days,w/ gas being so fuckin high,I've toned my revving up to 3k.

[Dark_Phantom]

Okay, I got you now. Thanks Paul. I've actually "powershifted" before, but I always thought it was "double-clutching." Either way, not something I've seen much benefit in... I never personally thought it took that much time to depress and release the clutch in there when racing, and it certainly seems to be healthier for the transmission. Just me, maybe, I don't know.

[Rac3rX]

Um thats not power shifting.

Powershifting is keeping your gas pedal planted hitting the clutch and changing gears then disengaging the clutch all with your gas pedal planted,

AS SEEN HERE

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/6119/pshiftgraphic1ug.gif

Powershifting: keep the accelator pedal planted, and stab the clutch while throwing the stick in gear. Refresh your browser to watch it in action!

[.paul]

Um thats not power shifting.

Powershifting: keep the accelator pedal planted, and stab the clutch while throwing the stick in gear. Refresh your browser to watch it in action!
I stand corrected.

Thank you for that. I was taught that powershifting was what I explained before.

[Dark_Phantom]

Keeping the accelerator planted while you shift, eh... Not to suggest that the other techniques discussed thus far would do any less, but it seems as though powershifting would lead to all sorts of problems.

[flat_black]

Throttle shifting, as mentioned before, is not power shifting. You let off the throttle, but not all the way, so the revs don't drop quite as fast. I just shift fast, personally. When I shift at about 6.5-7k RPM (I have an EMS, wouldn't suggest it otherwise), and usually only let it drop about 500 rpm between shifts, if that. With a lightweight clutch and flywheel, no less. This can sometimes cause a bit of a jerk, but if you shift at just the right speed, in other words, as fast as the car wants to be, you can get a nice, smooth transition while shifting very quickly. When downshifting, always rev match, I would suggest. When stopping, do the same, each gear, using heel-toe (or in my case, right/left side of my foot), and keep the gears going using that technique. It's a habit I formed long, long ago, and my clutch, flywheel, and tranny are all perfectly happy with me, even when I want to romp on it. =) And that's with 100k on 'em all.