perrin fmic and turkey

[MSP608]

ok so ive had the perrin front mount on for awhile and im about to install my bov bc perrin finally got my resized pipes to me but i was wondering, is the 'turkey' supposed to be slower once you put a front mount on? before i had my intercooler the turkey was quick but after the install its like it made the distance between intervals longer.........all this with the stock bpv

heres a before vid:
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/protege/0/80191ABC-157A-49C2-9082-436D232DCA52.htm
thats only with a cai (sorry for the gay title, my friend did that)

and after:
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/BEBC860E-570B-4382-9672-0E614A8C5CEB.htm

you probably noticed the exhaust in the second video but the turkey never changed when i put the exhaust on. im not concerned about this, well atleast dont think i should be. but i was really curious if anyone had some input on this because as of tomorrow there should be no more turkey.

[brealmp3]

i like the turkey

[Black_Protege_5]

I really like the turkey too. To bad it won't work with my setup.

[MSP608]

yea it was fun, a real head turner. but its bad for the turbo and im movin on to the dual setup bov/bpv........i woulda done that from the start but perrin made my intercooler wrong, the endtanks were way too long. so i cut the pipes and they offered to send resized pipes, so props to them. and thats why im running just a bpv currently.

btw in that first video it was done on a closed course....by a professional driver......which was me

[Black_Protege_5]

Sure. Closed course huh.

[MSP608]

update: so today i finally installed my hks bov and it sounds pretty good. it still flutters a little bit due to the fact im running the dual setup bov/bpv. cant wait till i get my ebc on there to hold boost, it fluctuates a ton. ill post my vid link once its done optimizing.

[Colombianmvp7]

update: so today i finally installed my hks bov and it sounds pretty good. it still flutters a little bit due to the fact im running the dual setup bov/bpv. cant wait till i get my ebc on there to hold boost, it fluctuates a ton. ill post my vid link once its done optimizing.

Can you post some pictures of ur setup?!?!? with the dual setup in the engine bay

[jms95]

What do you mean when you say turkey? Is that just the stock bpv or the stock bpv with a turkey call attached to it? I'm confused.

Isn't that what the stock bpv sounds like?

[MSP608]

Can you post some pictures of ur setup?!?!? with the dual setup in the engine bay

ill resize some pics and post them on here when i get home but for now heres a vid of my new setup:
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/1F1D6911-A4FB-46FE-8B0D-5AF62878EAA8.htm

[MSP608]

What do you mean when you say turkey? Is that just the stock bpv or the stock bpv with a turkey call attached to it? I'm confused.

Isn't that what the stock bpv sounds like?

i mean turkey cuz thats the sound the stock bpv makes, ive never tried an actual turkey call but im sure that would sound hella funny. if your msp is completely stock you can hear it but anytime you replace your stock plastic intake w/an aftermarket one you really unleash the turkey.

[jms95]

Why is the stock bpv bad for the turbo?

[03.5MSP]

turkey FTW!!

[speedprotegewi]

turkey FTW!!

http://www.mazdatuning.com/staff/speedbeaver/turkey_inside.jpg

[MSP608]

Why is the stock bpv bad for the turbo?

it doesnt release the compressed air, it recirculates it back into the intake so it creates compressor surge and thats what the turkey sound is-air forcing back into the turbo.(im almost certain i know what im talking about here but please correct me if im wrong anyone) id run just a bov but ive heard too much about stalling and dont want to deal with that so i kept the stock bpv and also use a bov. so far it runs great, sounds great. only thing is itll almost stall when the clutch is in and i rev, doesnt do it when the clutch is out. hasnt actually stalled yet but its weird.

[505zoom]

Run the signal lines (for the BOV and the BPV) off of the brake booster line and it should clean the rest of that up.

[MSP608]

done. have both the bov and bpv coming off the brake booster and have my ebc on the line from the actuator to the manifold.

[Maxx Mazda]

I have my HKS SSQV on a vac line right from the manifold, but I get turkey like hell. Might be the BOV is stuck and needs a little oiling up though... As long as the vac line that goes to the BOV sees both boost and VAC (same as manifold sees) you will be fine.

[MSP608]

shouldnt be getting turkey with just a bov. that means youre surging the turbo. that could either be from the setting of the bov being too tight and not letting enough air out or idk what else. but that def means not enough air is being released when you close the throttle plate.

[Maxx Mazda]

shouldnt be getting turkey with just a bov. that means youre surging the turbo. that could either be from the setting of the bov being too tight and not letting enough air out or idk what else. but that def means not enough air is being released when you close the throttle plate.

Ya, screw is all the way loose. So idk??? (ughdance)

[MSP608]

do you have one of the older models w/the adjustment on the outside?

[Maxx Mazda]

do you have one of the older models w/the adjusterment on the outside?

Yep. I checked the BOV and it holds vacuum, but even with the screw all the way loose and the vacuum sources switched around I can't get it to even open...

[jestermsp]

what valve ya got?

[hello2000]

Yeah, I think when you put a FMIC on it will have turkey. The only way to get rid of it is to do the dual bov setup.

[Maxx Mazda]

what valve ya got?

HKS SSQV, and it's not opening period...

[jestermsp]

old style as in its adjustable? try taking the bolt all the way old and take out the insert and lube it all up. could be somethin stuck in it.

[Maxx Mazda]

old style as in its adjustable? try taking the bolt all the way old and take out the insert and lube it all up. could be somethin stuck in it.

I did lube it all up, everything took it right apart even, and it holds a vacuum so there's no leak in it...

[jestermsp]

call hks?

[MSP608]

old style as in its adjustable? try taking the bolt all the way old and take out the insert and lube it all up. could be somethin stuck in it.

the older style ssqv could be adjusted from the outside. for some reason they changed them and now theyre internally adjustable i think. retarded and i dont know why theyd do that.

but yea sounds like youve got a problem with yours maxx. you have normal 3/16 vac lines? yea course it isnt gonna leak because it wont open period. who'd you buy it from? im sure they might be able to help you out.

[ChopstickHero]

http://www.mazdatuning.com/staff/speedbeaver/turkey_inside.jpg

NICE!

[jestermsp]

the older style ssqv could be adjusted from the outside. for some reason they changed them and now theyre internally adjustable i think. retarded and i dont know why theyd do that.

but yea sounds like youve got a problem with yours maxx. you have normal 3/16 vac lines? yea course it isnt gonna leak because it wont open period. who'd you buy it from? im sure they might be able to help you out.

yea i know i was tryin to figure out which one he has.

[Maxx Mazda]

yea i know i was tryin to figure out which one he has.

I have the older style, adjustable from the outside. I jsut picked up a brand new nonadjustable SSQV and I'll install it in about mins, so I will let youk now if that fixed it.

[MSP608]

have fun with those c-clamps...i have an outward dent on my hood to remind me of how to make sure the clamp is all the way seated in the groove instead of just resting on the lip.....went for test drive after ssqv install first time i get into boost and shift pop. bov blows off literally and dings my hood.

[jestermsp]

ouch lol

[Maxx Mazda]

Get snap ring pliers and it comes out easy.

New BOV installed, problem fixed.

[avarela86]

I have the old style HKS but wish i had the turkey. Only get the Blow off and some turkey, guess it's coming from the top mounted external wastegate?

[MSP608]

you want turkey? plug the vac line to your bov with a screw or something then youll get the turkey. ive discovered that the factory bpv in speeds is useless. i was redoing my vac lines today and was unpluggin/pluggin lines for my bpv and bov and the turkey is almost the same bpv or no bpv. i had the bov line plugged so it was mucho turkey bpv or not.

[jestermsp]

just tighten the bov all the way i used to have a old style hks on my car if i didnt loosen it all the way i got crazy turkey!

[Maxx Mazda]

You guys DO know that turkey is REALLY bad for your turbo, right?

[MSP608]

its not really bad. i mean every single msp that doesnt have a bov has compressor surge. you cant hear it stock, but when you put an intake on it acts like a microphone with all the metal piping and the filter. i mean the cars doing as it was designed. go watch a vid of a nice supra. they get compressor surge too but im assuming bc the bov they have cant release the air fast enough since they run an insane amount of boost. there was a guy in town here who had two bov's for his supra, said one just wouldnt get the air out fast enough.

[Maxx Mazda]

Ya, it does happen stock, but it can shorten the life of the turbo dramatically. Basically, when you get compressor surge, the turbine wheel wants to keep spinning because exhaust is still rotating it, and the compressor wants to stop spinning. This puts alot of undue stress on th turbine shaft, and will snap it. I've seen it happen.

[jestermsp]

he's right turkey is bad, not like detonation bad but in the long run u'll wish u had a good valve. plus a valve sounds so much better than turkey

[MSP608]

yea ive got the ssqv so im set. but its kinda fun to release the turkey every once in awhile. its especially loud since i have no front bumper due to idiot pizza boy at a gas station. the filters outside the car so it lets out alllll the sound. my dad was washin his sti and could hear me on the main road that goes thru cville. my house is like 2 miles from there.