US 2007 Mazdaspeed3 and Mazda3

[mikeyb]

Refreshed 2007 Mazda3 unveiled
New York, New York - Mazda unveiled an updated and revised version of the Mazda3 and Mazda3 Sport at the 2006 Greater New York International Auto Show. The Mazda3 is the company's best-selling vehicle in North America.

Both the Mazda3 (sedan) and Mazda3 Sport (hatchback) have a more athletic look. Common features for both the Mazda3 GT trim and Mazda3 Sport include a body-colour front grille and a redesigned front bumper with square fog lamps. The Mazda3 GT now employs LED Hanabi-style lights for the rear combination lamps. In addition, 16- and 17-inch aluminum alloy wheels on both models have been redesigned.

Inside, both the Mazda3 and Mazda3 Sport now have upgraded audio systems with auxiliary audio input and 12-volt power outlets standard for all models. For occupant protection, front dual airbags, side airbags and side curtain airbags are standard.
http://www.canadiandriver.com/photos/2007/mazda/3/07mazda3_1.jpg
http://www.canadiandriver.com/photos/2007/mazda/3/07mazda3_2.jpg
http://www.canadiandriver.com/photos/2007/mazda/3/07mazda3_3.jpg
2007 Mazdaspeed3 makes N.A. debut
New York, New York - The new Mazdaspeed3, which made its world premiere at the 2006 Geneva International Motor Show, made its North American debut at the New York International Auto Show.
With its compact, lightweight body and horsepower targeted to exceed 250 HP from its turbocharged 2.3-litre DISI (Direct Injection Spark Ignition) four-cylinder engine, the Mazdaspeed3 will be one of the highest performance sports compacts with front-wheel drive (FWD) on the road. The 2007 Mazdaspeed3 will also feature a six-speed manual transmission, four-wheel disc brakes with ABS, and a tuned suspension. It will arrive in Canadian dealerships this Summer.
http://www.canadiandriver.com/photos/2007/mazda/3/07mazdaspeed3_1.jpg
http://www.canadiandriver.com/photos/2007/mazda/3/07mazdaspeed3_2.jpg

(attn) Just added...The Official MS3 site on MazdaUSA.com is UP!
http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=upcomingMS3

* Antoine here...Here are the US MS3 specs:

MAZDASPEED3 SPECIFICATIONS
External Dimensions
Overall length w/license plate holder (mm) 4490
Overall width (mm) 1765
Overall height (mm) 1465
Wheelbase (mm) 2640
Front Tread (mm) 1535
Rear Tread (mm) 1525
Engine Type Inline 4-cylinder, DOHC turbo petrol
Displacement (cm3) 2260
Bore x stroke (mm) 87.5 x 94.0
Valves 4 per cylinder
Max. power* (hp) more than 250hp
Max. torque* (lb-ft) about 280 at 3000 rpm
Transmission 6-speed manual
Gear Ratios
1st 3.538
2nd 2.238
3rd 1.535
4th 1.171
5th 1.085
6th 0.853
Final drive ratio (1st - 4th) 3.941
Final drive ratio (5th – 6th) 3.350
Reverse 3.831
Suspension and Wheels
Front suspension MacPherson Independent struts
Rear suspension Independent Multi-link
Wheel size 18×7J
Tire size 215/45R18 93Y
Brakes
Type front Ventilated discs
Type rear Solid discs
Diameter front (mm) 320
Diameter rear (mm) 280
* Mazda targets subject to change upon homologation

wongpres edit:
US-spec Mazdaspeed3 trims & features: http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2507085&postcount=224
US-spec '07 Mazda3 trims & features: http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2481834&postcount=188

This thread applies to US-spec only, for Canadian-spec see Canadian thread: http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123632034

[goldwing2000]

Soome good features.

I'm not feeling the wheels on the non-'Speed cars, though. Ick.

[LRHK]

Will have to check out the speed this summer.... perhaps it will be time to upgrade..

[ottawaP5]

I wonder how much insurance will cost for the Mazdaspeed 3...

[CitizenPro]

I'm lovin' the MS3 in the second pic.....Besides the clean look, it has a nice lowered stance. And the wheels dont look half bad either :-) These should sell very fast.

[kmfdMZ3]

i wonder if we can get the sedan bumper with the fogs to fit on earlier models.

[goldwing2000]

Maybe. The body lines look the same to me.

[Gambino]

I hate the black plastic piece on the front bumper, other than that, looks pretty good

[kmfdMZ3]

yea...i really want it just for the fogs.

[RHAGEL]

I think the speed looks good, the wheels on the standard models are pretty ugly though.

[ottawaP5]

I'm interested to see the new features on the standard models and price of the MS3. The wheels on the hatch are hideous. Seriously. I don't know what they were thinking with those wheels...just give me a nice clean 5 spoke design. The wheels on the MS3 look nice though.

[Iggy]

i think the update to the regular 3's looks weird. I like the original look much better

[Tito1]

Which is the Speed? None of them look very different from the current one. And have they given any indication of output/drivetrain for the speed?

[Gambino]

Which is the Speed? None of them look very different from the current one. And have they given any indication of output/drivetrain for the speed?
the speed is the red hatch. the main differences I see with the refresh for standard models is grille/bumper/wheels.

as for the ms3 output, FWD - more than 250hp and 280 tq

[slug420]

wish they made the ms3 sedan....still looks neat though

[goldwing2000]

And have they given any indication of output/drivetrain for the speed?

That was covered in post #1 on this thread.

[vcinsanity1523]

i really like the speed 3 i think it looks completely badass

[ZoomVT]

i really really dislike the tan interior. and i dont like the new grill on the 4-door
it reminds me of old proteges (nothing against them) but i liked the newer grill much better.
blah

[Raymo853]

It is going to be hard to choose between the re-freshed 3 as a Five-door Touring versus the new VW Rabbit for me. The pretension ass in me still wants the VW even though I know it will not be as reliable as the 3.

[Gambino]

i really really dislike the tan interior. and i dont like the new grill on the 4-door
it reminds me of old proteges (nothing against them) but i liked the newer grill much better.
blah
maybe they will do the same thing they do with the grilles on the sedans now. The i has that grille shown on the sedan, and the s will have a colormatched one similar to the hatch. who knows

[ZoomVT]

so you are saying the picture of the sedan above is the i trim? then i guess i have hope of a nicer grill for the s trim.
As far as the interior, the more i look it the more i hate it. Its so bland now, nt edgy like the priginal ones. The insets in the seats look cheap to me.
way to fuck it up mazda

[Gambino]

so you are saying the picture of the sedan above is the i trim? then i guess i have hope of a nicer grill for the s trim.
As far as the interior, the more i look it the more i hate it. Its so bland now, nt edgy like the priginal ones. The insets in the seats look cheap to me.
way to fuck it up mazda
well, I have no way of knowing for sure, but I would assume thats how it is. Also, it appears to have 15's too, which could be an indicator.

and I completely agree with you about the interior

[mazpro]

the MS3 looks great, speacially in the second pic.

[bazooka joe]

(cool) this could be the mp5's replacement vehicle....in a year or so....

[wongpres]

The sedan on the 1st page of this thread is an 'i' trim, ditto for the beige interior.

Interior and exterior pictures of what the 's' trim sedan will look like were posted a while back from the Geneva autoshow:

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=72892
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=72890
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=72886

Edit: Oh yeah, the rims pictured on the sedan on the first page of this thread is the new 16-inch design

[ChopstickHero]

mazdaspeed3 come in other colors? all the pics i've seen of it are RED

[goldwing2000]

Those 3s wheels still look like ass.

[Mz3Hatch]

i absolutely love the Speed3! i want one really bad i just hope i can afford it when it comes out.. it will definitely be time to trade in the 3 at that point.. as for only seeing the car in red in all pics.. i know last year at NYAS they had nearly all mazda models out front in the red color.. it is eyecatching moreso than a black or silver is.. i dont want a red one.. but it sure looks purrrttteeee!!

[Gambino]

I agree that none of the wheels look that great on the standard 3 models. I like the interior on the s much better than the i though

[Wes]

I'm on the MS3 waiting list.... (first)

[ZoomVT]

yeah i remember thos pictures now. Still not a huge fan of thegrill but it would do. Much better than the i trim. As far as the wheels, i liked them when i saw it the first time, but i have been looking at wheels, and now they look like shit compared to so many nice options out there.
Theinterior is 10 times better than the i, but still not as good looking as the current s trim. It lacks a bit of edge, black and silver is too 'safe', i woule like mazda to take a few more risks.

[Newf]

that ms3 is growing on me. Still want a sedan but ya never know. The Ms6 is alittle pricey for me right now. Anyone know what the list on this in Canada is going to be? I got to admit, having a hatch years ago had it's advantages as well.

[daonly1around]

im putting 500 down to hold my spot first in line at the salem VA delearship. i just can't decide if i want to trade in my car, esp since i have a ton of things lined up for it this summer, i mean heck, i bought a wrecked P5 to change out the interior, body kit and put the five lug 4wheel disk, but what would i do with two fwd cars and truck!!
anyway, the car looks badass, and im really hoping it comes in something other than red. but seeing the amount of colors for the speed6 and the msp im sure it will come out it more than just red.

[RHAGEL]

I'm curious to see how well this new "torque sensing" LSD works. I have a feeling their won't be as much torque steer as many people are thinking. The new Altima is supposed to have eliminated it, so why can't Mazda? Still waiting on prices for the Speed version. I think it will be one of the biggest deciding factors for many people. It is for me.

[Newf]

price is a huge deal for me. If it nears the ms6 then what is the point? At least for me anyways.

[Newf]

ahhhh fuck, i think i want this now. That video is what did me in. I drove past the MS6 this afternoon and I'd still prefer it by a long shot if anything just because it's awd. But if I can't get that....then this might be it. It's just growing on me, and I even like the wheels now. Anyone know anything about the stereo? MP3 capable in Canada?

[txmzdspd2gen]

I like the ms3..looks clean and nice. Maybe its time to add on to my list of car that will be paking in my garage.

[tsunami]

i know you can only purchase mazda speed vehicles at the mazdaspeed dealership but what about service can a regular mazda dealership service mazda speed brand cars? i am asking because the closest mazdaspeed dealership is like 150 miles away iirc...

[Kansei]

i know you can only purchase mazda speed vehicles at the mazdaspeed dealership but what about service can a regular mazda dealership service mazda speed brand cars? i am asking because the closest mazdaspeed dealership is like 150 miles away iirc...

The nearest one to my house is 2.5 miles away, and to my apartment at school is less than one mile away. me FTW! :D

[Lambo]

i dont' know, i don't realli like the new changes they made to the regular 3s... as for the fogs, they're nice, but i still like mine better

[bazooka joe]

from may's edition of automobile:
2.3L direct injection, turbo 4, six speed manual borrowed form the MS6
price "well under $25K"
in canadian show rooms this summer (from autoweek)

[bazooka joe]

i know you can only purchase mazda speed vehicles at the mazdaspeed dealership but what about service can a regular mazda dealership service mazda speed brand cars? i am asking because the closest mazdaspeed dealership is like 150 miles away iirc...

only certified mazdaspeed tech's can work on your car, and guess where they work...MS dealers...

[Newf]

unless you are in Canada where any dealer can sell a speed and any joe can work on it.

[tsunami]

only certified mazdaspeed tech's can work on your car, and guess where they work...MS dealers...


DO'H.... thats what i figured... damn Maine sucks!!!!!!!

[Newf]

from may's edition of automobile:
2.3L direct injection, turbo 4, six speed manual borrowed form the MS6
price "well under $25K"
in canadian show rooms this summer (from autoweek)

under 25k US funds maybe, but no way in Canadian money. Heck my speed was 28,600 list

I'm thinking around 32-34??? Which to me is too high. No decent stereo, no AWD, no sunroof etc. Perhaps will have options this time like the MS6?

[FunkyBuddha]

Lsd?

[Antoine]

It's definitely growing on me...For a 5 dr "hatch"...It's looking very taught and tight...The stance looks pretty good from the factory :D I think it won't take much to make the MS3 look AWESOME...with the right set of rims (I do like the stockers) and lowered stance. (thumb)

We could be looking at 255-260hp!

*Specs added to the 1st post.

[goldwing2000]

I'm curious to see how well this new "torque sensing" LSD works. I have a feeling their won't be as much torque steer as many people are thinking. The new Altima is supposed to have eliminated it, so why can't Mazda?

Probably going to be either a Zexel Torsen or something similar. Uses gears instead of clutches, so there's nothing to wear out. Really cool concept if you can afford it. It's what comes in both ends of a Hummer (the real one, not this H2 and H3 crap).

[Akaveli]

damn that car looks good!

[hellcat]

Wow, no offence to the 3 owners out there, but I haven't been totally impressed with the overall look of the car since it replaced my beloved Protege. Having said that, now I have to admit, the new MS3 looks really nice. I might be seeing an upgrade in my not too distant future. I will deff. be paying close attention to this car.

[Cloke]

sub'ing

[Armyguy1104]

I just came from trading my mazda 3 for a MS6 yesterday. When I was speaking with the dealer they said the MS3 is not going to be that high in power but probably less then 250 hp. I doubt Mazda will make the 3 faster then the 6 albeit still has AWD vs the 3 only having FWD. Granted they could've been lying just to make the sale but I was sold regardless just because I wanted out of the sport compact. BTW...Damn the speed6 is fast but damn if that clutch isn't hell to get used to.

[bazooka joe]

DO'H.... thats what i figured... damn Maine sucks!!!!!!!

maine...canada....?

[bazooka joe]

I just came from trading my mazda 3 for a MS6 yesterday. When I was speaking with the dealer they said the MS3 is not going to be that high in power but probably less then 250 hp. I doubt Mazda will make the 3 faster then the 6 albeit still has AWD vs the 3 only having FWD. Granted they could've been lying just to make the sale but I was sold regardless just because I wanted out of the sport compact. BTW...Damn the speed6 is fast but damn if that clutch isn't hell to get used to.

um.....some dealers know things, some make it up and some have no clue what they are talking about...if he was a MS delaer, more crediable!!

[quagmire]

Slated for release sometime in 2006, the Mazdaspeed 3 will arrive just in time to deal with the latest wave of sport compacts. The 3s biggest competitors in North America are expected to be Volkswagens newly released 200-horsepower FSI-T-powered GTI hatchback, Chevrolets upcoming supercharged Cobalt SS and Dodges ballistic SX 2.0-based SRT-4. In Europe, the competition is even fiercer, with the likes of RenaultSports 222- horsepower Megane and GM Europes 240-horsepower Opel Astra OPC. Mazda is confident that under the watchful eye of Mazdaspeed, the 3 will conquer and succeed, despite what look to be middle-of-the-road performance figures. Although the 3s development is taking front stage at Mazdaspeed, the brand hasnt lost focus on its other projects, namely the forthcoming versions of the Mazdaspeed RX-8 and long-rumored RX-7. The Mazdaspeed RX-8 is expected to make its debut sometime next year. Mazdaspeed has confirmed that there WILL NOT be tuned versions of the 5, the new seven-seat MPV minivan, or the hatchback and sportwagon versions of the 6. Although these vehicles feature the same mechanical underpinnings as their harder-edged siblings, their body structures are not stiff enough to cope with the demands that would be made by their upgraded powerplants and performance capabilities. Bakaj insisted, "We will only put an MPS [Mazdaspeed] badge on a car if it is credible." The powertrain configuration, most likely backed up by a six-speed manual gearbox, should result in 0 to 60 mph times of around 6.4 seconds and a top speed of at least 155 mph, equaling that of its midsized sibling.

[Mazdamia]

This probably sound dumb but MPG for the Speed???

[altspace]

Quick! Someone get a hold on the front plastic piece and make a mold for carbon fiber.

[Kansei]

props to the photographer that took those two pics of the MS3, it completely sold me on one. They fixed the little things that make me vomit every time I see the current 3 hatchback (which is a lot since my roommate has one).

[RHAGEL]

This probably sound dumb but MPG for the Speed??? My guess is 22/28 with 91+ octane.

[We Are Ninja]

Quick! Someone get a hold on the front plastic piece and make a mold for carbon fiber.
That was the first thing that crossed my mind as soon as I saw it...

Never been too much of a fan of the 3 in any of it's forms, MS3 included, but it's hard to argue with a 6 speed and 280 lb/ft of torque in a FF...(omg)

Methinks me MSP will need some heavy wrenching to keep up.(glare)

[nate0123]

has anyone posted the curb weight for the new ms3?

[jbiird317]

has anyone posted the curb weight for the new ms3?

i havent seen one yet, but all estimates ive seen are around 3000lbs, hopefully less than that tho

[Kansei]

i havent seen one yet, but all estimates ive seen are around 3000lbs, hopefully less than that tho

omg no that's the threshold of pain for me. I dunno if I could do it. Why couldn't get give it aluminum hood and hatch or something?? My mom's Altima has a 3.5 litre V6 and it's a very large car and it's 3000 pounds.

[batmang]

i reallllly wish they would make a mazdaspeed3 in sedan form.

[batmang]

That was the first thing that crossed my mind as soon as I saw it...

Never been too much of a fan of the 3 in any of it's forms, MS3 included, but it's hard to argue with a 6 speed and 280 lb/ft of torque in a FF...(omg)

Methinks me MSP will need some heavy wrenching to keep up.(glare)

the srt-4 wasnt too short off.
230hp @ 5300 RPM
250tq @ 2200 RPM

i test drove an 05' a while back.. it really is something else. its gonna be awesome to see the ms3's power... i just wish it came in a friggin sedan form. the hatch is nice.. but i prefer the sedan shape.

[jbiird317]

omg no that's the threshold of pain for me. I dunno if I could do it. Why couldn't get give it aluminum hood and hatch or something?? My mom's Altima has a 3.5 litre V6 and it's a very large car and it's 3000 pounds.

hey like i said, thats just the estimates, if mazda is smart we'll be looking at least a couple hundred pounds less

[styme]

from may's edition of automobile:
2.3L direct injection, turbo 4, six speed manual borrowed form the MS6
price "well under $25K"
in canadian show rooms this summer (from autoweek)


is there just a small blurb in the mag or is there a nice littel write up? might have to go pick one up!!

might wait for the 1st year or 2 go by, make sure no major recalls or anything crazy and then trade in my protege.

[RHAGEL]

omg no that's the threshold of pain for me. I dunno if I could do it. Why couldn't get give it aluminum hood and hatch or something?? My mom's Altima has a 3.5 litre V6 and it's a very large car and it's 3000 pounds. I am pretty sure an Altima weighs well over 3000 lbs. The base 3 hatch is almost 2900. The new VW GTI's are something like 3200. I think 3000 is a good guess and would be just right for a car like this. I would rather have a little more weight than less. Just think, we get all the comforts and safety that we need while still having plenty of zoom-zoom. I have been in a Lotus Elise and it sucks. Yeah it may be light, but is uncomfortable, loud and just plain raw. Its nice if your run on a track but for everyday driving; forget about it. If you dont mind having a stripped down car, loose the interior and unnecessary engine parts and it will shave off a couple hundred pounds.

[Mounty]

Is that a new blue color on the redesigned 3 Hatch? It looks too light for Strato and too dark for Winning Blue... Please oh please Mazda, bring back the Laser blue and/or the Midnight Blue (like on the P5)!

[GrandBelialKey]

I wonder where the IC will be at.. they should do us all a favor and make it with a FMIC.

[altspace]

Hmmm....my rims on the MS3.

http://i2.tinypic.com/vgkl81.jpg

[Kansei]

I am pretty sure an Altima weighs well over 3000 lbs. The base 3 hatch is almost 2900. The new VW GTI's are something like 3200. I think 3000 is a good guess and would be just right for a car like this. I would rather have a little more weight than less. Just think, we get all the comforts and safety that we need while still having plenty of zoom-zoom. I have been in a Lotus Elise and it sucks. Yeah it may be light, but is uncomfortable, loud and just plain raw. Its nice if your run on a track but for everyday driving; forget about it. If you dont mind having a stripped down car, loose the interior and unnecessary engine parts and it will shave off a couple hundred pounds.

Correction the Altima is 3200. The VWs are overweight crap. Aluminum suspension, hood, and trunklid FTW! They don't make the car in any way "stripped down". If it did, do you think Audi would make all the frontend panels on the new Q7 Aluminum?

BTW nice photoshop work Josh, but the stock wheels on the MS3 are 18s already so what you photoshopped on would be probably 19.

[altspace]

Nah, I have a 35 series tire profile.

[jbiird317]

Hmmm....my rims on the MS3.

http://i2.tinypic.com/vgkl81.jpg

damn, i already liked the car with the stock rims, now I'm gonna have to imagine it with aftermarket rims... better get the checkbook ready

[We Are Ninja]

the srt-4 wasnt too short off.
230hp @ 5300 RPM
250tq @ 2200 RPM

i test drove an 05' a while back.. it really is something else. its gonna be awesome to see the ms3's power... i just wish it came in a friggin sedan form. the hatch is nice.. but i prefer the sedan shape.
True enough. I seriously considered a SRT-4 before I bought my MSP, it puts up awesome numbers, but I just couldn't bring myself to buy a Dodge... Just the thought of it gives me the heebie jeebies.

[Wizno]

I prefer the 1st gen of mazda3's :-D

[bbrich57]

Hmmm....my rims on the MS3.

Hmmm. Better! (flash)

[Amemiya]

Other than that thing is the grille where the foglights went, I like it.

[Newf]

with that engine, if this car doesn't break into the 5's doing 0-60....something is wrong. Then again, traction might be a bitch

[TheMAN]

who gives a shit about 0-60.... 1/4 mile is what matters!

[loganss]

The 3 is the only car where I like the hatch better than the sedan. The hatch is sexy.

[Kansei]

The 3 is the only car where I like the hatch better than the sedan. The hatch is sexy.

I'm the opposite way. I think the hatch looks awful. It reminds me of a PT cruiser every time I see it, mainly due to the way the front grille is positioned so that it extends far above the headlights. I also am just not a fan of the awkward random bulges on the side, or how the rear fenders stick out freakishly to meet the taillights. That and I hate how the handle is to open the rear hatch, having it set up like the Protege5 is a lot more discrete (no one would know the p5 hatch handle was there unless they tried).

The MS3 fixes quite a few of the design elements I don't like about the normal 3 hatch though.

I love the smooth sexy sleek styling of the 3 Sedan, but I do see why they went with the hatch for the MS3. It is bulgy, which makes it easier to modify (with new bumper, hood, fenders, and grille) to make it look masculine and aggressive.

[Gambino]

The 3 is the only car where I like the hatch better than the sedan. The hatch is sexy.
(eekfu)

[spike blue]

is that going to be special edition with limited production like the first mazdaspeed protege??

[sickspeed94]

never thought i'd say this but... byebye MSP!

[Mz3Hatch]

MUST HAVE SPEED 3... everyday i come on the forums the more i love it.. i just wish mazda developed it sooner! please please please let price range be somewhere near 21 in the US.. base model is fine for me! i just want the power!

[Cloke]

I've already got a buyer for my Protege, and I'm getting 8k for it. That will pay it off and also be a nice down payment. Plus I know the local MAzda dealer and they will practically give me the car. woot woot. Just waiting till august, that's the target release month. I'd like it to make a suprise release in the summer.

[Cloke]

I talked to one of the floor guys whyle my buddy checked out RX-8's. He thinks the price is going to be about $24,000 or so. Now, for a guess, you'd start w/ the M3i price and maybe give it another 2-3k more on that price. I know it's not going to be more than a MS6 b/c there would be no point then. That's to much compition for each other, and if they are planning to release the MS rX-7 possibly the Kabura in 2008/09 then that's wack.

[crossbow]

Btw, though this isn't publically available yet, the final power output is...

267 bhp
280 ft/lbs

Boost limited in 1st to 230 bhp.

Feel free to call bs and doubt claim until the information is publically available.

[Newf]

Btw, though this isn't publically available yet, the final power output is...

267 bhp
280 ft/lbs

Boost limited in 1st to 230 bhp.

Feel free to call bs and doubt claim until the information is publically available.

I call BS!!!

just play'n. Actually I was told the same thing back in Feb. I mentioned it here

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123625613&page=9

about half way down the page.

Then the press release came out stating less HP for the euro version.

[altspace]

Who wants high-res press photos? I have put together a collection for anyone to download. All pics 3000 x 2310 resolution. Enjoy!

http://www.altspace.com/ms3.zip

[RHAGEL]

Who wants high-res press photos? I have put together a collection for anyone to download. All pics 3000 x 2310 resolution. Enjoy!

http://www.altspace.com/ms3.zip My browser couldn't find the server. I am wondering if anyone here has been to the Autoshow? I am very curious to see if the US gets a 6 speed manual for the S models.

[altspace]

Your browser as issues.

[freekwonder]

Who wants high-res press photos? I have put together a collection for anyone to download. All pics 3000 x 2310 resolution. Enjoy!

http://www.altspace.com/ms3.zip

you are a god, thank you. Looks like I might be getting back into a mazda if things work out right.

['87 Turbo II]

maybe they will do the same thing they do with the grilles on the sedans now. The i has that grille shown on the sedan, and the s will have a colormatched one similar to the hatch. who knows
I think that because it's blocking airflow anyway, they just want it too look like a bigger opening, I like the sleeper look myself. I'd but one, paint it body colored, then change to the sedan wheels

['87 Turbo II]

also: they need to bring back the spicy orange, it'd be hella hard to paint when there is an chip/scratch/or an aftermarket body panel. But that color looks soo good in person, I couldn't tell from the pics but spicy is attractive in person.

[Antoine]

Btw, though this isn't publically available yet, the final power output is...

267 bhp
280 ft/lbs

Boost limited in 1st to 230 bhp.

Feel free to call bs and doubt claim until the information is publically available.

TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTY SEVEN HORSEPOWER....

in a STOCK Mazda with class leading handling under 25k!

MAZDA...Consider one sold already!

I hope that's not BS but it does seem quite close to the MS6 rating. Also...I wonder if what the official rating will be for Japan. Guess I'll check that out after I post this...;)

[Cloke]

Ha ha, I agree, all I need to find is financing and maybe a co-signer, ive got deposit and buyer for my protege. Where do I sign?

[GrandBelialKey]

MAZDA...Consider one sold already!
(mswerd) I'm gonna be all over the ms3.

[Kona Bear]

Lsd?

Limited Slip Differential

[rbmazda3]

It is going to be hard to choose between the re-freshed 3 as a Five-door Touring versus the new VW Rabbit for me. The pretension ass in me still wants the VW even though I know it will not be as reliable as the 3.

The 3 will outperform the VW.

[pro00]

they need an AWD, too much power in the front wheels IMO, other than that i love the hatchback considering i am a sedan guy

[Raymo853]

The 3 will outperform the VW.

Depending on what indexes you care about. Seeing the IIS side crash test results of the 3 sedan have concerned me. Also the road noise in the current 3 is beyond my tolerance, I hope the claim the new one is better is true.

[ept626]

I like it, looks really nice and sporty. The hatchback version is the best

[Dimitrios]

i love the hatchback considering i am a sedan guy

Welcome to the real world :D

[Newf]

I'm worried that if I buy this in Sept, early oct when it comes out, that next summer there will be a sedan version and I would really be pissed.

[bazooka joe]

I'm worried that if I buy this in Sept, early oct when it comes out, that next summer there will be a sedan version and I would really be pissed.
.....or it will be 3k less

[slug420]

i dunno, they didnt relased the msp as a p5 version even though they released a second batch. They havent released or that I have heard of planned on releasing the MS6 as a hatch or wagon......i dont know why they do these things (particularly the MS6 as a hatch and msp as a p5) but they seem to like not offering a lot of choices in their "premium" cars.

[Newf]

.....or it will be 3k less

yeah, that wouldn't make me any happier either !

[trees]

Do you think they will still be sitting around a year later?

[slug420]

yes

[ZoomVT]

its very possible that they release a sedan version next year, especially since the mechanicals are very similar. Probably to compete with the civic si that will offer a sedan si next year.
I just wish is true. i have been thinking about trading my car very soon, if i can get a financing deal similar to the one i have now. I am waiting for the 2007 refreshed version and if they give me a similar deal then i will do it.
Right now acura is giving me 2.9% fixed, so i may look there too although i would rather stay with mazda.

[SaaBaaDoo]

I'm going to have to call my local speed dealer and see if they have any clue about this car and where I can sign up...LOL

[We Are Ninja]

I wouldn't sell my MSP for it, but the thing is starting to grow on me... Maybe in silver...

[ALIEN3T]

my bro just went down to mazda today and say like 20 mazdapeed 6 on the lot and asked about the 3. they said noone has aked, he asked if there was a list. they said there is now. so in belton mo, at his locol dealership he is on the list as 1

[cmymsp]

Hello Guys/gals......just Put My Name On The List As Well For The Mps?? Or Mazdaspeed 3......mazda Dealer Here Says October Or So Before They Get Here Though, But They Dont Even Have Any Specs On It Yet Till Summer. Only Info I Can Find Is On The Internet Or The Forums.....any Ideas????? I Used To Have A Titanium Mazdaspeed Protege "cmymsp" 212. But Too Many Problems After The Accident...i Miss Her Though......

[rbmazda3]

my bro just went down to mazda today and say like 20 mazdapeed 6 on the lot and asked about the 3. they said noone has aked, he asked if there was a list. they said there is now. so in belton mo, at his locol dealership he is on the list as 1

yeah...have you seen the sticker price on the Mazdaspeed6!? It's outrageous!! They will be sitting there for a long time. Not many people are going to fork out 32K for a Mazda!!

[GrandBelialKey]

yeah...have you seen the sticker price on the Mazdaspeed6!? It's outrageous!! They will be sitting there for a long time. Not many people are going to fork out 32K for a Mazda!!
that means you can go test drive them any time you want... I love the ms6, but wouldnt buy one..

[freekwonder]

my bro just went down to mazda today and say like 20 mazdapeed 6 on the lot and asked about the 3. they said noone has aked, he asked if there was a list. they said there is now. so in belton mo, at his locol dealership he is on the list as 1

(shocked) your brother sounds cool.

technically the dealership is in kansas City, MO. but its on the border of grandview/belton/kc.

[dread]

I asked the dealer about the speed 3 and they told me that they wouldn't know anything until august. Then they tried to sell the speed 6. That car looks even better in person I hope the 3 looks the same way.

[mikeyb]

my bro just went down to mazda today and say like 20 mazdapeed 6 on the lot and asked about the 3. they said noone has aked, he asked if there was a list. they said there is now. so in belton mo, at his locol dealership he is on the list as 1

20 Mazdaspeed6s? I think he must of counted the regular 6 too. The most I've seen of MSPD6s are 4 to 6 on Mazda lots.

[vtecthis]

20 Mazdaspeed6s? I think he must of counted the regular 6 too. The most I've seen of MSPD6s are 4 to 6 on Mazda lots.

I think you are wrong, check this out (look under MAZDASPEED MAZDA6):

http://tumminiamazda.com/Default.aspx?page=new-inventory

[freekwonder]

20 Mazdaspeed6s? I think he must of counted the regular 6 too. The most I've seen of MSPD6s are 4 to 6 on Mazda lots.

umm. no, I do know how to count and look at the front of a car for the difference in the front and and look at the back of a car to read the badge. but thanks for playing.

oh wait I just went and checked the online inventory for Bob sight mazda (go to mazdausa.com and under inventory search. use 64012 as the zip and go to bob sight.) and your right they don't have 20 mazdaspeeds, they only have 18 on the website. god i suck at counting.

[Matrix]

The Mazdaspeed3 looks great! I would definitely get one if I was in the market, but I'm really hoping my next car will be either RWD or AWD. I'm looking to get out of FWD now.

[mikeyb]

I think you are wrong, check this out (look under MAZDASPEED MAZDA6):

http://tumminiamazda.com/Default.aspx?page=new-inventory

Holy Crap! Why would any Mazda dealer want that many if they are not selling well? Where are they located? The two dealers I use to deal do not even have MSPD6s.

[mikeyb]

umm. no, I do know how to count and look at the front of a car for the difference in the front and and look at the back of a car to read the badge. but thanks for playing.

oh wait I just went and checked the online inventory for Bob sight mazda (go to mazdausa.com and under inventory search. use 64012 as the zip and go to bob sight.) and your right they don't have 20 mazdaspeeds, they only have 18 on the website. god i suck at counting.

Thats alot! I just check the two dealers I use to deal and neither have MSPDs on there lots. I would say that Mazda is shipping them to the central and mid west states.

What I was saying is that you could of mistaken the regular 6s and MSPD6s and counted them all. Is this dealer a large volume Mazda dealer? The dealers here are very small and are part of dealer groups.

[vtecthis]

Holy Crap! Why would any Mazda dealer want that many if they are not selling well? Where are they located? The two dealers I use to deal do not even have MSPD6s.

They are in Olathe, Kansas (913) 780-3500, they are the largest Kansas City area Mazda dealer.

[Dimitrios]

They are in Olathe, Kansas (913) 780-3500, they are the largest Kansas City area Mazda dealer.

Ah, Kansas City, the hot bed of the Mazdaspeed scene. It's a good call by their inventory manager to be sure.

[Kansei]

Ah, Kansas City, the hot bed of the Mazdaspeed scene. It's a good call by their inventory manager to be sure.


lol @ Kansas.

[Kansei]

Modern Motors Mazda back in my hometown only has 8, and last I checked they are a VERY high volume dealership.

John Holtz Porsche/Mazda up here has 10. *shrugs*.

[freekwonder]

They are in Olathe, Kansas (913) 780-3500, they are the largest Kansas City area Mazda dealer.

did they use to be called Sunflower Mazda? I got my MSP at Sunflower. If you havnt seen the new Bob Sight Mazda off of 135th (it might be 150 still at that point) and state line, you should go check it out. they have a bigger lot then Sunflower, and they have a car on a lift in on the show room floor. I know blueridge mazda is moving to Lees summit and suppose to be changing their name and getting a big/better dealership.

[freekwonder]

Thats alot! I just check the two dealers I use to deal and neither have MSPDs on there lots. I would say that Mazda is shipping them to the central and mid west states.

What I was saying is that you could of mistaken the regular 6s and MSPD6s and counted them all. Is this dealer a large volume Mazda dealer? The dealers here are very small and are part of dealer groups.

I know what you were saying. I was just in the mood to give you hard time. No hard feelings. (drinks)

[vtecthis]

did they use to be called Sunflower Mazda? I got my MSP at Sunflower. If you havnt seen the new Bob Sight Mazda off of 135th (it might be 150 still at that point) and state line, you should go check it out. they have a bigger lot then Sunflower, and they have a car on a lift in on the show room floor. I know blueridge mazda is moving to Lees summit and suppose to be changing their name and getting a big/better dealership.

Yes, it used to be Sunflower. I got my MSP at sunflower also, what color is your car? I did not know Bob Sight was at 135th and State Line, I'll go check them out this weekend.

[freekwonder]

Yes, it used to be Sunflower. I got my MSP at sunflower also, what color is your car? I did not know Bob Sight was at 135th and State Line, I'll go check them out this weekend.

I had a grey one. Don't have it any more, traded it to get an automatic civic for my wife. but thats why I'm working on getting a MS3. If you ever see a grey MSP with the 3.5 lip taken off and protege 5 fog lights installed. That one use to be mine.

Ya the bob sight is really freakin nice. Plus they fact they got a mazda 6 up on a rack so you can look at the bottome is freakin cool.

[RHAGEL]

Ok people, who gives a shit about some stupid Kansas Mazda dealer. Lets get back on topic.

[mikeyb]

http://www.japanesecarfans.com/news/2060419.004/2060419.004.mini1L.jpg

http://www.japanesecarfans.com/news/2060419.004/2060419.004.mini2L.jpg

http://www.japanesecarfans.com/news/2060419.004/2060419.004.mini3L.jpg

http://www.japanesecarfans.com/news/2060419.004/2060419.004.mini4L.jpg

http://www.japanesecarfans.com/news/2060419.004/2060419.004.mini5L.jpg

http://www.japanesecarfans.com/news/2060419.004/2060419.004.mini6L.jpg

http://www.japanesecarfans.com/news/2060419.004/2060419.004.mini7L.jpg

http://www.japanesecarfans.com/news/2060419.004/2060419.004.mini8L.jpg

http://www.japanesecarfans.com/news/2060419.004/2060419.004.mini9L.jpg

[freekwonder]

Ok people, who gives a shit about some stupid Kansas Mazda dealer. Lets get back on topic.

We do because we are talking about Mazdaspeed dealerships in our area.

[xbbmazda]

The MS3 looks great

[Antoine]

DO NOT flame up this thread...I will delete any OT or negative post.

Thanks.

[meGrimlock]

wish they would stop trying to make all their new models have similar looking wheels. they are variations of each other from the cx-7 to the 18" ones on the mazda6, to this new mazda3. even the mazda3 mps went dual 5-spoke design like the mzspeed6 wheels. other than that, the refresh doesn't look too shabby.

oh and the dealer in our area's website says it has 13 mzspeed6's on the lot hehe. no other dealer has any listed on their sites.

[blizzard]

It is kinda bothering me that the MS3 is going to REQUIRE premium gas (just like the MS6). I know it's good to feed your car the good stuff - but with the price of car getting astronomical, and assuming the mileage will be worse then my Protege5 - it's going to be expensive filling 'er up all the time!!

[ZoomVT]

dont like the gauges cluster in the i trim. Hopefully it is different in the s trim. the current cluster is wicked nice.
I would really like to see pictures of the s trim, every time i see this pics it is very discouraging

[wongpres]

Here's the press release associated with the pictures mikeyb posted above:

NEW YORK – Mazda North American Operations today unveiled an updated and revised version of the MAZDA3 4-Door i and s sedan and 5-Door s at the 2006 Greater New York International Auto Show. MAZDA3 is the company’s best-selling vehicle in North America, and has been a hit with customers and media alike.
When MAZDA3 launched in Spring 2003, it forced customers to rethink what was possible in a C-segment vehicle, as it offered exhilarating driving performance, emotional styling and high levels of craftsmanship unseen before in this price and size class. The revised model takes these attributes to a new level, offering improved torque characteristics for both engines, exterior styling enhancements and fit-and-finish and interior trim revisions.

TWO BODY STYLES, TWO PERSONALITIES
Common features for both the 4-Door s sedan (fitted with the 2.3-liter engine) and 5-Door s (on which the 2.3-liter engine is standard) include a body-color front grille and a redesigned front bumper with square fog lamps. The 4-Door s sedan now employs LEDs for the rear combination lamps. In addition, 16- and 17-inch aluminum alloy wheels have been redesigned to both accentuate the aluminum alloy look and convey an image of stability.
Both the 4-Door s sedan and 5-Door s have a more athletic look: the 4-Door promotes a feeling of stability, while the 5-Door is the sportiest model in the MAZDA3 lineup and exudes a youthful personality.

INTERIOR DESIGN
Particular attention was paid to revising interior quality on all models. The 2.0-liter 4-Door i sedan features t wo interior colors: beige and black. Both interior color packages receive newly designed white gauges and a zebra-striped wood-finish dash trim. The 2.3-liter s models with black interior and blackout-type gauges include a decorative insert finished with a hairline treatment in the dash. L eather seating surfaces are available as an option for all s models, and new for 2007 on select exterior colors is a gray cloth interior.

MATURED POWERTRAIN LINE UP
The engine lineup for the MAZDA3 continues to be the MZR 2.0-liter for i models and MZR 2.3-liter on s models, both P-ZEV compliant in California-emission states, Tier 2 Bin 5 in Federal states. All horsepower ratings are now compliant with new SAE measuring standards, with t he 2.0-liter engine producing 148 hp (144 hp in P-ZEV trim) at 6,500 rpm* and maximum torque of 135 lb-ft (132lb-ft in PZEV trim) at 4,500 rpm*. The 2.3-liter engine now produces 156 hp (151hp in P-ZEV trim) of maximum power at 6,500 rpm* and maximum torque of 150 lb-ft at 4,000 rpm (149 lb-ft at 4,500 rpm in P-ZEV trim)*.
Both 2.0- and 2.3-liter engines continue to employ a high-accuracy electronic throttle control, along with sequential valve timing (S‑VT). Optimal adjustment of the engine's intake valve operation in response to running conditions achieves high charging efficiency. Together with a variable induction system ( VIS), this allows the engine to achieve powerful torque throughout the whole rev range.
A f ive‑speed manual transmission remains standard on all models . Also carrying-over is the availability of Sport AT automatic transmissions for the both the 2.0-liter (four-speed) and 2.3-liter (five-speed) and both have functions that allow the driver to sequentially shift gears up or down.

FURTHER EVOLUTION OF MAZDA3 ’S ACCLAIMED BODY AND CHASSIS
MAZDA3 ’s body shell has been upgraded by bolstering local rigidity . Front suspension mountings are joined to the fender frame by brackets, and the number 1 tunnel member connecting the transmission tunnel on the body’s underside now extends to the left and right frame side members. These arrangements result in an even stiffer, safer body and even sportier handling and ride control.
The MacPherson strut front suspension has improved damper performance and has been tuned to improve steering response and reduce understeer. The multi‑link rear suspension receives the same performance revisions, ensuring improved rear‑end stability during high‑speed cornering. In addition , the revised bumpers mean superior aerodynamics contribute to better fuel economy , improved high‑speed acceleration and better overall stability.
NEW INTERIOR FEATURES
Both 4-Door sedan and 5-Door have newly added rear armrests with integrated cup holders for rear seat occupants. For the 4-Door sedan, rear cargo space side and end trim have been modified to allow large loads to be loaded with ease. A trunk lid recess on top of the bumper has been added to make it easier to open the trunk lid.
Audio systems have been upgraded with an auxiliary audio input and 12-volt power outlets are now standard for all models, providing the driver or passenger the option of bringing their own portable audio player to enjoy their favorite music in the car.

HIGH LEVELS OF SAFETY
Unchanged – but still class-leading – four‑wheel disc brakes with ventilated discs in the front and solid discs in the rear form the basis for a comprehensive active safety system . Four-wheel ABS and electronic brakeforce distribution ( EBD ) with brake assist are standard on s models and are optional on i models . Dynamic stability control (DSC) and traction-control are newly available for s models .
Passive safety systems feature a rigid body shell that provides exceptional collision safety. For occupant protection, front dual airbags are standard, and seat-mounted side and roof-mounted curtain airbags are available as well. In addition, impact‑absorbing trim on the steering column minimizes injury to the driver’s knees and a collapsible brake pedal helps reduce the risk of lower leg injury in the event of a frontal collision .
Headquartered in Irvine, Calif., Mazda North American Operations oversees the sales, marketing, parts and customer service support of Mazda vehicles in the United States, Canada and Mexico through nearly 900 dealers. Operations in Canada are managed by Mazda Canada, Inc., located in Ontario, Canada, and in Mexico by Mazda Motor de Mexico in Mexico City.

PRELIMINARY 2007 MAZDA3 DIMENSIONS
Dimensions



External

MAZDA3 5-Door
MAZDA3 4-Door Sedani/s
Overall length w/license plate holder
(mm)
4490
4505 / 4510
Overall width
(mm)
1755
1755
Overall height
(mm)
1465
1465
Wheelbase
(mm)
2640
2640
Front Tread
(mm)
1530
1530
Rear Tread
(mm)
1515
1515




Engine Type





MZR 2.0-liter (4-Door only)
MZR 2.3-liter (4-Door and 5-Door)




Inline, 4-cylinder, DOHC,
16-valve
Inline, 4-cylinder, DOHC,
16-valve
Displacement
cc
1999
2260
Bore x stroke
cc
87.5 x 83.1
87.5 x 94.0
Max. Power**
hp
148 at 6500 rpm (T2B5-B)
144 at 6500 rpm (PZEV-B)
156 at 6500 rpm (T2B5-B)
151 at 6500 rpm (PZEV-A)
Max. torque**
lb/ft
135 at 4500 rpm (T2B5-B)
132 at 4500 rpm (PZEV-B)
150 at 4500 rpm (T2B5-B)
149 at 4000 rpm (PZEV-A)
Fuel type

Regular unleaded
Regular unleaded
Emission Control System

3-way catalytic converter
3-way catalytic converter
Transmission

5-speed manual /
4-speed automatic
5-speed manual /
5 -speed automatic
Powertrain



Gear Ratios



1st

3.307/2.816
3.307/3.620
2nd

1.842/1.497
1.842/1.925
3rd

1.310/1.000
1.310/1.285
4th

0.970/0.725
0.970/0.933
5th

0,755/-----
0.755/0.692
Reverse

3.166/2.648
3.166/3.405
Final Drive Ratio

4.105/3.683
4.105/3.863





Suspension and Wheels



Front Suspension

MacPherson struts
MacPherson struts
Rear Suspension

Independent Multi-link
Independent Multi-link
Wheel size

15x6J;
16x6.5J
16x6.5J ;
17x6.5J
Tire size

195/65R15;
205/55R16
205/55R16 ;
205/50R17
Brakes



Type front

Ventilated Discs
Ventilated Discs
Type rear

Solid Discs
Solid Discs
Diameter front
(mm)
278
300
Diameter rear
(mm)
2 65
280

[ZoomVT]

thanks for posting that. In that case then i think the revision of the sedan should look pretty good. It defintiely sounds good.
Any estimate on when to exepct the revised 2007 3? i will be trading my car as soon as these come to town. i will then boost it myself.

[meGrimlock]

It is kinda bothering me that the MS3 is going to REQUIRE premium gas (just like the MS6). I know it's good to feed your car the good stuff - but with the price of car getting astronomical, and assuming the mileage will be worse then my Protege5 - it's going to be expensive filling 'er up all the time!!
such is the way of most every high performance car. its not that you're feeding your car with "the good stuff," but filling it with the proper fuel for the engine.
-meGrimlock

[mazpro]

I read somewhere that you can run lower octane fuel, but it will lower the performance of the car.

so i guess it's going to be a top mount Intercooler for the 3 too.

[rbmazda3]

I read somewhere that you can run lower octane fuel, but it will lower the performance of the car.

so i guess it's going to be a top mount Intercooler for the 3 too.
Not always true. My 03 Accord V6 would run regular or premium. My dad's 02 BMW 330 will not run regular. It pings. He's such a cheap bastard he tried it for a tank...just one tank! Most engines that have a high compression ratio or high compression due to some sort of forced induction require high octane fuel or pre detination will occur.

[freekwonder]

I was over at 6tech, just doing research on the motors since I do plan to get back into a mazda. And they were saying with the MS6 that you could run regular, but you were going to lose like 80-100 horse. I guess they had a problem with the somebody putting 87 in the cars and they would drive with like no power, but there was no pinging or mechanical problems. just the huge lose of power. from what I understand the new ECUs are very adaptable.

got I want this car bad, already got the approval from the wife.

[LRHK]

They posted the Mazdaspeed 3 info on Canada's mazda website (thumb)

[Blade4804]

they are not making an ms3 sedan?

[Kansei]

they are not making an ms3 sedan?

Nope. IMO, the 3 sedan is too sleek and beautiful looking to make it look agressive and muscular without replacing every body panel. The Mazda3 hatch was fugly but they really fixed that with the MS3. If I had the cash I'd get one, even though I can't stand the normal 3 hatch's exterior appearance and handling.

[Blade4804]

just take the 3, drop it and inch stick a turbo in it and give a cleaner interior and it's good to go :D

[Cloke]

Ive got some info from the Canadian site, check out my thread

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121819

[tbriggs]

Is the attached picture of a 2007 Mazda3 i or s?

The grill looks like an i model.

But it has fog lights which makes me think it's an s model.

[wongpres]

Is the attached picture of a 2007 Mazda3 i or s?

The grill looks like an i model.

But it has fog lights which makes me think it's an s model.

The picture above is a '07 US-spec Mazda3i model. The rims are the '07+ Mazda3 16-inch alloy design. The vehicle in the picture does not have fog lights (just silver outlines around where the foglights would be placed).

[tbriggs]

Are there any pictures of the US 2007 Mazda 3s sedan yet?

[Cloke]

there's a thread I think, i have no clue where it is though

[MASTERNC]

Now the announcement on the front page seemed to indicate that the press release was from Canada. Will all those same things (curtain air bags, auxilliary audio input jack, etc...) now be standard on US Mazda3 models?

[wongpres]

Are there any pictures of the US 2007 Mazda 3s sedan yet?

These pics are euro-spec, but apart from the red rear foglamp, everything else is essentially the US-spec Mazda3s:

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=72892
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=72890
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=72886

Front, rear, and grey cloth interior pics.

[wongpres]

Now the announcement on the front page seemed to indicate that the press release was from Canada. Will all those same things (curtain air bags, auxilliary audio input jack, etc...) now be standard on US Mazda3 models?

The US press release is in this thread:

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2424409&postcount=143

[nato]

Laser Blue?

[Cloke]

Photoshop or real? I think it's PS. Nice job, how about silver?

[jbiird317]

Laser Blue?

wow...gorgeous (plus pretty good ps skills)

[Newf]

is the true red color on any other car in Mazda's lineup? does it have metallic in it like the rx-8?

[goldwing2000]

I wonder where the IC will be at.. they should do us all a favor and make it with a FMIC.

Nope. Top Mount. (notcool)

http://www.japanesecarfans.com/news/2060419.004/2060419.004.mini9L.jpg

[wongpres]

is the true red color on any other car in Mazda's lineup? does it have metallic in it like the rx-8?

True Red is available on the '06 MX-5 in both Canada and USA

['87 Turbo II]

Nope. Top Mount. (notcool)

http://www.japanesecarfans.com/news/2060419.004/2060419.004.mini9L.jpg

there's not too much wrong with a top mount damnit. The only heat sink you get is when it's been parked for 20 mins or so after engine operation the drive it again. But why would you STOP driving anyway? You wouldn't need the 15 hp or so it robs after hard driving then parking, then driving again. sounds alot like running errands to me. For autocross heats park it with the hood open and get a fan on that biznitch or a bag of ice. TMIC get's it's bad rep because it's different. People as a race assume if somethings different it's bad, as with the rtary, or racism. Stop hating stuff you don't understand and learn about how it's the same just in a different way.

[goldwing2000]

Stop hating stuff you don't understand and learn about how it's the same just in a different way.

Right. And there's absolutely no difference between fresh air being slammed through a FMIC at 60 mph and hot air just moseying its way through a TMIC at whatever speed it happens to be circulating around the engine compartment. (screwy)

If there was a hood scoop (like every other non-Mazda car with a TMIC), then it might be fine. Since there isn't, it's going to suck.

[Kansei]

Right. And there's absolutely no difference between fresh air being slammed through a FMIC at 60 mph and hot air just moseying its way through a TMIC at whatever speed it happens to be circulating around the engine compartment. (screwy)

If there was a hood scoop (like every other non-Mazda car with a TMIC), then it might be fine. Since there isn't, it's going to suck.

There is a "hood scoop" just like there is on the Mazdaspeed6. The upper half of the top grille is directly connected to a duct (hence the taller hood) that feeds the TMIC.

[goldwing2000]

There is a "hood scoop" just like there is on the Mazdaspeed6. The upper half of the top grille is directly connected to a duct (hence the taller hood) that feeds the TMIC.

And we see how many problems the MS6 people are having...

A duct isn't the same as a scoop. It just can't grab as much air, especially when compared to a FMIC.

[Kansei]

And we see how many problems the MS6 people are having...

A duct isn't the same as a scoop. It just can't grab as much air, especially when compared to a FMIC.

agreed, but it's not too bad for a stock setup. If you are pushing the performance, sure go ahead and upgrade to a FMIC.

I don't see how the MS6 duct can't perform as well as the tiny scoop in the Legacy GT hood, and I haven't heard about people with Legacy GTs complaining about it.

[goku4658]

Hmmm....my rims on the MS3.

http://i2.tinypic.com/vgkl81.jpg

dope

[oldzoomer]

MSN Autos MS3 video from the New York Auto Show

http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?f=03&g=be03b0d2-445f-43b3-af1a-4e3ddc172ad2,569b2e0e-fb58-45f9-aa38-1e49abb6d114,531bae5c-3599-4d1a-b952-35085820023c,ae959cda-7b62-469f-82f3-030ecfb88da7,dcdf7019-0cea-4904-b0c7-e9f7c4713ff1,d7e4c513-5f63-41fa-ba05-d682f333bb9d,ffeb7c6b-38e5-4e06-b195-90705bc56dd0,a2d3f9e8-76ea-49b4-8677-a2bb0506f42a,bcda5aa7-8964-4a67-bc50-7b6181f9efd0,ab4ec153-796c-4f86-8428-00c92c51bd42&p=&t=&rf=http://autos.msn.com/as/minishow/videogallery.aspx?s=newyork2006&fg=

[goldwing2000]

I don't see how the MS6 duct can't perform as well as the tiny scoop in the Legacy GT hood, and I haven't heard about people with Legacy GTs complaining about it.

I don't know, either. But the problems do exist.

['87 Turbo II]

the problems are just the heat sink problems I described above, an easy fix for when the cooling is needed.

[seanw]

the problems are just the heat sink problems I described above, an easy fix for when the cooling is needed.

Didn't y'all hear? The problem is supposed to be oversensitivity to less than perfect fuel of whatever octane. Apparently, in Japan where they test the engines they have perfect fuel available everywhere all the time, so they were SHOCKED to find out that the US/Canada markets were having problems with the ECU shutting down to 1/3 throttle when excessive knock was detected due to less than perfect fuel.

Anyway, an ECU reflash is now available that will make it detect more knock cycles before limiting throttle. At least one MS6 owner has gotten the reflash and is happy so far.

I guess with summer coming on we'll see whether the problem really is heatsink-related or just poor fuel quality. Presumably the number of owners experiencing powerloss should increase in proportion to the rise in temperature if it is heatsink that is causing increased knocking.

[freekwonder]

Didn't y'all hear? The problem is supposed to be oversensitivity to less than perfect fuel of whatever octane. Apparently, in Japan where they test the engines they have perfect fuel available everywhere all the time, so they were SHOCKED to find out that the US/Canada markets were having problems with the ECU shutting down to 1/3 throttle when excessive knock was detected due to less than perfect fuel.

Anyway, an ECU reflash is now available that will make it detect more knock cycles before limiting throttle. At least one MS6 owner has gotten the reflash and is happy so far.

I guess with summer coming on we'll see whether the problem really is heatsink-related or just poor fuel quality. Presumably the number of owners experiencing powerloss should increase in proportion to the rise in temperature if it is heatsink that is causing increased knocking.

Is it anything like the MSP ecu flash?

['87 Turbo II]

well ih it's fuel then that'd be in my favor of the top mount not causing any problems.

[JITB]

I dotn have much time to look, but has s price been announced? And how are the pre-sales being handled? if anyoen has been to a mazda dealership.

[Cloke]

Anyone hear any news yet? Price? August or September? Price? Colors (except red)?

[trees]

Wish i knew. Just heard on different site that all 2007 were pushed to a Dec. release date. (gossip)

[wongpres]

Wish i knew. Just heard on different site that all 2007 were pushed to a Dec. release date. (gossip)

No, that's not true. The factory is doing the switchover to the facelifted Mazda3 this month (May).

Japan will be the first market for the facelift to reach dealerships. The facelifted Axela (Mazda3 name in Japan) will be launched later this month.

N. American-spec facelifted Mazda3 production will begin in June, so expect them to start trickling in 2.5-3 months after that. This is right in that Sep timeframe when most new model year vehicles first come out.

Current plan is for the Mazdaspeed3 to also arrive around this end-Aug/Sep timeframe. However, the Mazdaspeed3 is more like a brand new model rather than just a Mazda3 derivative. In addition, with it being a very high performance model, the likelihood of delays to the Mazdaspeed3 schedule are much higher.

In other words, it's more likely for there to be delays to the Mazdaspeed3 plans than the Mazda3 facelift plans, but these are the plans.

[RHAGEL]

I was at Tustin Mazda on Saturday and from what the dealership was told, they expect the MS3 about September 20th at a price starting at $23,000. He was skeptical about the release date and he expects to see them by the end of October. This is at least what I was told.

[seanw]

http://wardsauto.com/ar/mazda3_designed_mazdaspeed/

Nice info on the mods made to the to hatch to reduce roll, etc. Also discusses how they designed the regular 3 hatch to be ready for the Mazdaspeed treatment due to heavy demand for a P5 Mazdaspeed which they say couldn't have stiffened enough.

[cmymsp]

http://wardsauto.com/ar/mazda3_designed_mazdaspeed/

Nice info on the mods made to the to hatch to reduce roll, etc. Also discusses how they designed the regular 3 hatch to be ready for the Mazdaspeed treatment due to heavy demand for a P5 Mazdaspeed which they say couldn't have stiffened enough.
i have been speaking to my local mazda dealer and they told me last week that they are not taking any preorders since they do not know specs/colors, etc...... yet. said they will contact me in june when they get more info. on colors, price, delivery dates. they said they expect to see them in oct-nov. time frame. a good friend of mine works there, which kind of helps on getting the inside scoop.:)

[seanw]

i have been speaking to my local mazda dealer and they told me last week that they are not taking any preorders since they do not know specs/colors, etc...... yet. said they will contact me in june when they get more info. on colors, price, delivery dates. they said they expect to see them in oct-nov. time frame. a good friend of mine works there, which kind of helps on getting the inside scoop.:)

Yeah, bad news is the Canadians will get them before us. Good news is they can give us some idea of how they perform.

[cmymsp]

Yeah, bad news is the Canadians will get them before us. Good news is they can give us some idea of how they perform.
so true, maybe we will be able to get some more insight on the car from them as well........

[wongpres]

Mazda3 all trims, '06 standard features plus following: audio AUX in, TPMS

Mazda3i, '06 standard features plus following: black taillights

Mazda3s Touring, new options: traction control & dynamic stability control (in single package)

Mazda3s Grand Touring, '06 standard features plus following: LED taillights (sedan)

Mazda3s Grand Touring, new options: traction control & dynamic stability control (in single package)

Removed Colors (note US color names used)

Velocity Red, Winning Blue, Titanium Gray, Strato Blue, Snowflake White Pearl

New Colors (and other vehicles you can see the color on)

Phantom Blue (Mazda5), True Red (MX-5), Ice Blue, Aurora Blue, Galaxy Grey (CX-7, MX-5, RX-8), Phantom Purple, Crystal White (CX-7)

New Interior Color combination
Grey/black cloth interior available with certain Mazda3s exterior colors

All this info applies to US-spec only, for Canadian-spec see Canadian thread. This is only a partial list of changes, not complete.

[spike blue]

i want to change my current mazdaspeed for that baby i love it!! i hope the price is not more than 23k.

[Lord Ikon]

It is going to be hard to choose between the re-freshed 3 as a Five-door Touring versus the new VW Rabbit for me. The pretension ass in me still wants the VW even though I know it will not be as reliable as the 3.

My VW (with warranty), cost me $6000 in miscellaneous repairs over the course of 15k miles. I had perfect oil-change and tune up records on it. Imagine what I would've paid without warranty....

My Mazda3 has cost me $0 in repairs over 35k miles.

Just my thoughts on the matter. After the issues with my VW and their customer service, I'd rather piss on one than ever own one again.

[vindication]

i want to change my current mazdaspeed for that baby i love it!! i hope the price is not more than 23k.
I read price is like $24-25. Also, the performance on the MS3 that I read(think it was road & track or car & driver) was not that all impressive.

[BondoBob]

wish they made the ms3 sedan....still looks neat though

I agree. I'm hanging on to the MP3 for now...just have not got past the station wagon look on the new MS.

[seanw]

I read price is like $24-25. Also, the performance on the MS3 that I read(think it was road & track or car & driver) was not that all impressive.

If you mean the MS6, there have been reviews all over the place. Some noted it was a great performer but whined about interior quality given the +30K price for the GT (C&D?). See Edmunds for a very favorable review. I think R&T had a car that was running poorly, so blame Mazda for not making sure the car was running right. The 1/4 mile times were way slow. At least two MS6 owners have run 13.7 1/4 miles in pure stock MS6s. You have to actually drive one to judge whether the mags (favorable or unfavorable) are right. It's amazing how many owners took a test drive for the hell of it and bought it immediately.

If you mean the MS3, no one has reviewed it 'cause they haven't built one yet. Looks good to me, though. 500-600 lbs. less than the MS6 and only 7 fewer horses. No AWD but who cares unless you live to drag race.

[Cloke]

well the ms6 is 28k so i think 23-24k is the better price

[nate0123]

If you mean the MS3, no one has reviewed it 'cause they haven't built one yet. Looks good to me, though. 500-600 lbs. less than the MS6 and only 7 fewer horses. No AWD but who cares unless you live to drag race.I wasn't aware MazdaUSA had released the final HP rating for the MS3

according to their website, it lists the MS6 as having 274hp@5500rpm, 280tq@3000rpm and the MS3 as having "more than 250hp" and the same torque rating

so you're saying the MS3 will have 267hp?

[vindication]

If you mean the MS6, there have been reviews all over the place. Some noted it was a great performer but whined about interior quality given the +30K price for the GT (C&D?). See Edmunds for a very favorable review. I think R&T had a car that was running poorly, so blame Mazda for not making sure the car was running right. The 1/4 mile times were way slow. At least two MS6 owners have run 13.7 1/4 miles in pure stock MS6s. You have to actually drive one to judge whether the mags (favorable or unfavorable) are right. It's amazing how many owners took a test drive for the hell of it and bought it immediately.

If you mean the MS3, no one has reviewed it 'cause they haven't built one yet. Looks good to me, though. 500-600 lbs. less than the MS6 and only 7 fewer horses. No AWD but who cares unless you live to drag race.
I mean the MS3, they had an article on it.

[seanw]

I wasn't aware MazdaUSA had released the final HP rating for the MS3

according to their website, it lists the MS6 as having 274hp@5500rpm, 280tq@3000rpm and the MS3 as having "more than 250hp" and the same torque rating

so you're saying the MS3 will have 267hp?

It's still not official or necessarily final. Crossbow and Saskpro (********** forum) have some Mazda N. America source who gave them the info. According to this source, the engine tuning is the same as the MS6 but the more cramped engine compartment results in an (even more) restrictive exhaust, reducing HP slightly.

[vindication]

the hp numbers were also released at the NY auto show if I'm not mistaken.

[seanw]

the hp numbers were also released at the NY auto show if I'm not mistaken.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I read an article (not a review) which confirmed that the reason for the reduced output was the tight exhaust routing required in the smaller engine compartment. I can't remember where I saw it, though.

[spike blue]

so wich one is better i will get either the ms3 or an audi a3 .

[seanw]

so wich one is better i will get either the ms3 or an audi a3 .
No way to know for sure until the MS3 arrives on our sacred shores. To get in the same ballpark powerwise, you have to get the Audi A3 Quattro with the V6. It's going to cost $10K more and weigh 600 lbs. more, but you will get AWD. You have to wait and test drive each to see which you like best. You should probably throw the MS6 into the test drive mix if you're looking at the $30K range like the A3 Quattro.

If it's between the MS3 and the A3 with the 2.0, I'd say MS3 hands down. But I never got past reading articles with the Audi since the power/cost ratio made it a no go for me.

[benben84]

Why did they make the MS3 a hatch?? Actually, they should have made both a hatch and a sedan. I will never own a MS3 unless it's a sedan so that rules out this car me.

[know_no_limits]

so wich one is better i will get either the ms3 or an audi a3 .


Audi is in a whole different price class. If the price of the Audi A3 was the same as the Mazda3...I’d be driving the Audi. However the MS3 should come out priced much lower than the A3 and you really can't argue with the (projected) bang for the buck there.

[TheMAN]

Why did they make the MS3 a hatch?? Actually, they should have made both a hatch and a sedan. I will never own a MS3 unless it's a sedan so that rules out this car me.

why do you have to be one of the countless people that ask? as posted before, mazda originally marketed the hatchback as the "sport" model when the 3 first came out... so it'll go against that marketing idea if they made it a sedan.... like it or not, the hatchback DOES have more aggressive styling to begin with, which is why it's marketed the "sport" model

[nate0123]

why do you have to be one of the countless people that ask? as posted before, mazda originally marketed the hatchback as the "sport" model when the 3 first came out... so it'll go against that marketing idea if they made it a sedan.... like it or not, the hatchback DOES have more aggressive styling to begin with, which is why it's marketed the "sport" modelthat doesn't mean they couldn't make the sedan look sportier for a MS model

in 2002, the Protege5 was arguably more "sporty" than the Protege sedan, and yet they decided to use the sedan as a platform for the MSP

[ZoomVT]

i think they did to compete with the civic SI. the SI is coming out as a hatch first, but next year it will come as a sedan too, so myabe Mazda will release a sedan for 2008?

[nate0123]

Nah, they've stated that they won't be releasing the MS3 as a sedan

[benben84]

why do you have to be one of the countless people that ask? as posted before, mazda originally marketed the hatchback as the "sport" model when the 3 first came out... so it'll go against that marketing idea if they made it a sedan.... like it or not, the hatchback DOES have more aggressive styling to begin with, which is why it's marketed the "sport" model

Actually it was a rhetorical question, I was just stating my opinion. It would be like driving a 5 door hatch wrx. It's just not for me.

[benben84]

i think they did to compete with the civic SI. the SI is coming out as a hatch first, but next year it will come as a sedan too, so myabe Mazda will release a sedan for 2008?

The 06 civic SI is a coupe not a hatch but they are making a type R hatch in japan!! THere is a thread somewhere about that. Yeah, I'm looking forward to the sedan SI cuz my wife would want it and well, I get to drive her car sometimes!!

[TheMAN]

that doesn't mean they couldn't make the sedan look sportier for a MS model

in 2002, the Protege5 was arguably more "sporty" than the Protege sedan, and yet they decided to use the sedan as a platform for the MSP

they could, but it'll cost more to make... the TMIC won't fit the sedan easily without having to do crazy shit to the hood

all of you are forgetting that the MS3 is a "world car"... they're going to make ONE car that will sell anywhere in the world.... they're not going to make a different version just for americans (who prefer sedans) on such a low run vehicle

[benben84]

they could, but it'll cost more to make... the TMIC won't fit the sedan easily without having to do crazy shit to the hood

all of you are forgetting that the MS3 is a "world car"... they're going to make ONE car that will sell anywhere in the world.... they're not going to make a different version just for americans (who prefer sedans) on such a low run vehicle

True dat. I guess sedan lovers will just have to swap engines!!!

[goldwing2000]

True dat. I guess sedan lovers will just have to swap engines!!!

And get a new hood. Or a FMIC.

[know_no_limits]

I have read that the hatch experiences less flex in the chassis than the sedan. I'm not sure if they chose it for the MS3 because of that, or if they strengthened the frame specifically for the MS3. No doubt they had the hatch in mind for the MS3 from day one. So it’s probably the later. Either way I wouldn't trade my hatch for a sedan any day of the week. Even though it seems all my friends, neighbors, girlfriend, mom, pretty much everyone I know hates my hatch. My dog would probably tell me he hated it if he could talk. If I have to hear "Baby Minivan" one more time I might snap. As far as I’m concerned you can bury me in it. At least I could stretch out in the back….

[Kansei]

The hatch is less rigid than the sedan, but they designed the hatch with points that they could easily weld reinforcements later on. After releasing the MSP people really wanted a Mazdaspeed Protege5 but they didn't have places to weld stuff to make it strong enough.

hence why they went with the hatch for the 3.

[seanw]

. . . . Either way I wouldn't trade my hatch for a sedan any day of the week. Even though it seems all my friends, neighbors, girlfriend, mom, pretty much everyone I know hates my hatch. My dog would probably tell me he hated it if he could talk. If I have to hear "Baby Minivan" one more time I might snap. As far as I’m concerned you can bury me in it. At least I could stretch out in the back….

Man, your dog loves the hatch. In the hatch he can do that little circling move dogs like to do before they lie down. He couldn't do that in a sedan! That's the beauty of a hatch, it's more than a just transportation, it's a living space, too!

Regarding the "Baby Minivan" taunts, with the MS3 you will be able to calmly respond by simply asking the taunter(s) if they would like to go for a little ride in the baby. In about 13 seconds they will see that if it is a baby, it's one that's pumped up on a mixture of anabolic steroids and amphetamines. Bring along barf bags for the weak of stomach.

[know_no_limits]

Man, your dog loves the hatch. In the hatch he can do that little circling move dogs like to do before they lie down. He couldn't do that in a sedan! That's the beauty of a hatch, it's more than a just transportation, it's a living space, too!

Regarding the "Baby Minivan" taunts, with the MS3 you will be able to calmly respond by simply asking the taunter(s) if they would like to go for a little ride in the baby. In about 13 seconds they will see that if it is a baby, it's one that's pumped up on a mixture of anabolic steroids and amphetamines. Bring along barf bags for the weak of stomach.


I like the way you think...

[seanw]

Some guy who works for a dealer reported in Edmunds MS3 forum that his dealership just placed their first order for an MS3. He now expects to get a car in September. Previously, he thought they wouldn't get any MS3's until December. So, it looks like we might be seeing them sooner rather than later. He also reports the colors/options are:

cosmic blue
black mica
true red
sunlight silver

black cloth or black leather.

Please start pestering your local dealer. We want them to order a lot of these bad boys so we can get past the "market adjustment" crap as soon as possible. Now, let's see, silver is out. "Cosmic" blue? Don't know what to think about that. Black's not so good on a small car. Red's a ticket magnet . . .. Ah, screw it, red it is!

[Kansei]

omg sunlight silver why?!?! just let it die! haha

[nate0123]

omg sunlight silver why?!?! just let it die! hahano! some people actually like silver (such as, me!)

[Kansei]

no! some people actually like silver (such as, me!)

I do too (look at my car haha) but like.. it's kinda boring. At least make a new silver with like fun metallic flake in it or something. They've had Sunlight Silver for sooo long.

[p5sundevil]

wonder what cosmic blue will look like, cuz currently they have strato blue which looks like it replaced midnight blue mica and winning blue as their light blue, maybe cosmic will fall somewhere in the middle?

And it would have been niced if they went with the titanium instead of silver but oh well, silver with CF parts would look nice. =)

[ZoomVT]

the titanium gray is much better than the bland sunlight silver.
they should have kept the TG

[rbmazda3]

omg sunlight silver why?!?! just let it die! haha
Look at the market research. Silver was the most popular car color in the US in 2005 and will probably be in 2006. I would imagine this will be the first color we will see at the dealerships.

http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/auto/20050119a1.asp

[wongpres]

Two trims (Sport & Grand Touring)

Mazdaspeed3 Sport: Limited Slip Differential (LSD), Dynamic Stability Control (DSC), Traction Control System (TCS), side airbags and side air curtains, MAZDASPEED appearance parts, uniquely styled bucket seats, distinctive front and rear fascias, specially sculpted fenders, unique hood design, and 18” alloy wheels fitted with 215/45R18 tires

Mazdaspeed3 Grand Touring, Sport standard features plus following: leather seat bolsters, BOSE audio system with 7 speakers and 6CD changer, Xenon headlamps, LED tail lights, rain sensing front wipers, auto on/off headlamps, and anti-theft alarm

Mazdaspeed3 Grand Touring options: NAV

Colors: Cosmic Blue, Black Mica, True Red, Sunlight Silver

Job 1 - Aug '06

This info applies to US-spec only, for Canadian-spec see Canadian thread: http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123632034

For regular '07 Mazda3 US-spec info, see: http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2481834&postcount=188

[RHAGEL]

I saw a Black Mica MS3 on Friday night. It was immediately noticable...at least to me and it looked damn good. The sound of the exhaust reminded me of an evo, deep and quite a bit louder than stock but probably real nice inside. It was a manufacturers car so it had DST on the license plate. If anybody is in the Irvine during the weekday check out the parking lot at MNAO and I guarantee you can snap some pictures. Oh, and two weeks ago I saw a white CX-9 test vehicle. It was nice, looked just like the CX-7 only about 50% bigger. The athletic lines of the car look better than the CX-7 since it is bigger.

[Wes]

Just last month we had MazFest here in California. MNAO brought the Mazdaspeed 3 to the event just to make us all salivate. After sitting in those seats, I am for sure buying one now. The intercooler setup is kinda weird IMO... but nothing a FMIC won't fix.

I thought you guys might like some pics that are REAL life, not just press release BS. The MS3 images start at about pic#23..

http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2106127187

AND more here start at pic#13

http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2106123631

(first)

[Newf]

just what are the seats made out of exactly?

[Kansei]

wait is that a non-plastic intake manifold I see? Why the switch? (pic 17 from the 2nd photo link from mazfest).

http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2106123631

[seanw]

Just last month we had MazFest here in California. MNAO brought the Mazdaspeed 3 to the event just to make us all salivate. . . ..

Niiiice! Boy, they really did have to cram that engine in there. The engine compartment looks pretty well filled up. Interesting that it had nav. A Mazda salesguy on Edmunds MS3 forum said the only option was leather seats.

[nate0123]

Niiiice! Boy, they really did have to cram that engine in there. The engine compartment looks pretty well filled up. Interesting that it had nav. A Mazda salesguy on Edmunds MS3 forum said the only option was leather seats.did you read post #224?

[vindication]

damn, I just noticed that huge wing on the MS3. Not sure what I feel about it. Will have to see a few more photos.

[seanw]

did you read post #224?

I have now! I'm thinking the Sport is going to be cheap and the GT expensive. Bose stereo, 6 CD changer, xenon, and alarm are standard on the MS6 Sport. With discounts the MS6 Sport might end being less expensive than the MS3 GT.

[seanw]

damn, I just noticed that huge wing on the MS3. Not sure what I feel about it. Will have to see a few more photos.

I noticed that, too. Funny, it never jumped out at me in any of the other photos or videos I've seen. Still, it ain't anywhere near STi territory.

[goldwing2000]

wait is that a non-plastic intake manifold I see? Why the switch? (pic 17 from the 2nd photo link from mazfest).

http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2106123631

I noticed that, as well. Probably for better resistance to heat due to proximity to the turbo.

[wongpres]

just what are the seats made out of exactly?

Disclaimer: Info below subject to potential detailed production spec changes

On the US-spec Sport trim, the seats are 100% cloth. The sections of the seat which are red/blue on the regular Mazda3s cloth will be a grey-ish black color. The sides of the seats, referred to as the bolsters, are black cloth with red stitching. Headrests are black cloth with red stitching.

On Grand Touring trim, the seats have both cloth and leather. The grey-ish black cloth in the main sections of the seat remains. The bolsters are black leather with red stitching. Headrests are black leather with red stitching.

[wongpres]

I noticed that, too. Funny, it never jumped out at me in any of the other photos or videos I've seen. Still, it ain't anywhere near STi territory.

There are two versions of the rear wing: one that's more subtle and one that's more extroverted ('jumps out more'). The subtle one looks like the spoiler on the regular Mazda3 5-door.

N. America and JDM get the wing that jumps out more, whereas Euro-spec gets the more subtle one.

[TheMAN]

I noticed that, as well. Probably for better resistance to heat due to proximity to the turbo.

uhhh, the engine is "backwards" from the older mazda engines... meaning the turbo is by the firewall and NOT the radiator... the intake manifold is aluminum because it's more resistant to boost pressure

[seanw]

There are two versions of the rear wing: one that's more subtle and one that's more extroverted ('jumps out more'). The subtle one looks like the spoiler on the regular Mazda3 5-door.

N. America and JDM get the wing that jumps out more, whereas Euro-spec gets the more subtle one.

The M3 spoiler is easier on the eye, but the higher one will be another cue that the MS3 is different. It will take a little getting used to but I think it's a good idea since there aren't as many distinctions between the M3 and the MS3 as there are between the M6 and the MS6.

Okay, now I'm justifying cause I don't like big wings and never have. Possible exception being the '79 Plymouth Superbird, a scale model of which is on my desk in front of me.

[goldwing2000]

uhhh, the engine is "backwards" from the older mazda engines... meaning the turbo is by the firewall and NOT the radiator... the intake manifold is aluminum because it's more resistant to boost pressure

Duh. My bad. I read "intake manifold" but I was thinking "valve cover". The non-plastic valve cover is what I noticed (which IS close to the turbo).

And yeah.. I know the exhaust is in the back of the engine. I own one. :D

[freekwonder]

damn, as long as I can get out my truck. Looks like I'll be back in a mazda.

[jbiird317]

well visited my mazdaspeed dealer today to verify all the stuff ive heard on here... talked to the main guy for about an hour and got all of his order information... hes ordering 3 ms3's out of a total 11 he is alloted for 2007, one cosmic blue GT and two red sports

he basically told me that if i gave the deposit, he could make one of those a custom order for me....so next week hes supposedly getting some detailed price info and hopefully get my order in which he assumes would be ready by sep/oct

number 1 on the waiting list ftw!

[seanw]

well visited my mazdaspeed dealer today to verify all the stuff ive heard on here... talked to the main guy for about an hour and got all of his order information... hes ordering 3 ms3's out of a total 11 he is alloted for 2007, one cosmic blue GT and two red sports

he basically told me that if i gave the deposit, he could make one of those a custom order for me....so next week hes supposedly getting some detailed price info and hopefully get my order in which he assumes would be ready by sep/oct

number 1 on the waiting list ftw!

Way to jump on it, hombre! FWIW here's an interesting press release posted by someone on Edmunds MS3 forum about the MS Axela:

http://www.mazda.com/publicity/release/200606/0606.html

Notice that the yen price difference from the Axela Sport is about 11%. Also the weight difference is 90 kilos. The MS Axela at least weighs in at about a little over 3000 lbs. Let's hope the US spec MS3 keeps close to that weight.

[vindication]

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123637246
notice the AWD option. why didn't they put it in the MS3? Hopefully tehy'll bring that as an option sooner or later, hopefully sooner. Stupid ass mazda!

[seanw]

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123637246
notice the AWD option. why didn't they put it in the MS3? Hopefully tehy'll bring that as an option sooner or later, hopefully sooner. Stupid ass mazda!

They only offer it on the 2.0 liter AT (20F on the spec sheet I linked), so maybe it's not very performance oriented AWD. It appears to add 140 kg (308 lbs) compared to the basic Axela (20C). If you added the 300 lbs. to the MS Axela, it would start getting a little porky at about 3350 lbs. Strangely, adding AWD hardly increases the price of the 20F over the 20C.

[Chris-BE]

This car is going to kick some ass.

[jbiird317]

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123637246
notice the AWD option. why didn't they put it in the MS3? Hopefully tehy'll bring that as an option sooner or later, hopefully sooner. Stupid ass mazda!

i dunno, apparently the lsd in the ms3 is gonna be really good and you wont need awd, not to mention the weight saved by having only fwd

[vindication]

are the driveshafts on the M3 equal length or pretty damn close? If so, it will be better along with the lsd.

[seanw]

are the driveshafts on the M3 equal length or pretty damn close? If so, it will be better along with the lsd.

I think I read that they were, as part of the steps they're taking to reduce torque steer. Don't remember where I saw it, though.

[seanw]

Here are some random pix from a poster on edmunds of some MS3's on the ground.

http://www.kirill626.com/mazdaspeed3/_catalog.html

I don't know, I'm kinda wishing it was more distinct from the regular 3 hatch. The MS6 has the bigger grill opening (fake, but still looks cool) and the pronounced raise in the hood that makes it look a little sinister. The MS3's differences are a lot more muted and it's a little on the cute side. But style ain't everything. If it's even more of a sleeper than the 6, that's not all bad.

[jbiird317]

Here are some random pix from a poster on edmunds of some MS3's on the ground.

http://www.kirill626.com/mazdaspeed3/_catalog.html

I don't know, I'm kinda wishing it was more distinct from the regular 3 hatch. The MS6 has the bigger grill opening (fake, but still looks cool) and the pronounced raise in the hood that makes it look a little sinister. The MS3's differences are a lot more muted and it's a little on the cute side. But style ain't everything. If it's even more of a sleeper than the 6, that's not all bad.

sweet pics, i think that both the 6 and the 3 look agressive-ish but have some softer curves that make them more of a sleeper... i think its a good thing tho...

im very disappointed tho that there are still no pics of this cosmic blue color, i need to know what it looks like!!