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mikeyb
04-06-2006, 07:58 AM
Toyota's top European seller Yaris hits U.S. showrooms as Japanese automakers prepare to flood the market here with new subcompact offerings.

Toyota Yaris
http://i.cnn.net/money/popups/2005/autos/teeny/2007_toyota_yaris.jpg
Chevrolet Aveo
http://i.cnn.net/money/popups/2005/autos/teeny/2006_chevrolet_aveo.jpg
Suzuki Aerio
http://i.cnn.net/money/popups/2005/autos/teeny/2006_suzuki_aerio.jpg
Hyundai Accent
http://i.cnn.net/money/popups/2005/autos/teeny/2006_hyundai_accent.jpg
Kia Rio
http://i.cnn.net/money/popups/2005/autos/teeny/2006_kia_rio.jpg
Honda Fit
http://i.cnn.net/money/popups/2005/autos/teeny/2006_honda_fit.jpg
Nissan Versa
http://i.cnn.net/money/popups/2005/autos/teeny/versa_gal.jpg


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - This could be the year that Japanese automakers rediscover their roots in the U.S. market.
<!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude--><SCRIPT language=JavaScript><!--var clickExpire = "-1";//--></SCRIPT>And that could mean more trouble ahead for U.S. automakers such as General Motors.

Toyota starts to roll out its Yaris subcompact car to dealerships this spring. It will be closely followed by the Honda Fit and Nissan Versa, as all three of the big Japanese automakers begin their first major push in years to sell extra-small, very fuel efficient cars in the United States. The cars generally have base prices between $12,000 and $13,000.
<!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->The low-priced segment was where the Japanese made inroads into the U.S. market after the oil shocks of the 1970s and 80s. But as gas prices stabilized, the Japanese moved away from the segment, as did American car buyers and automakers, to concentrate on larger, more profitable light trucks such as SUV's.

<!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->Even the compact cars offered by the Japanese grew in size and price; the Toyota Corolla can now have a list price of $19,000 if upper-end options are included.

<!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->The segment has been left mainly to the Koreans and to GM's Chevrolet, which used its own Korean-built vehicle, the Aveo, to become a leader in the low-priced part of the subcompact market over the last two years.
<!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->But GM has put relatively little marketing push behind the Aveo, even as U.S. sales of the car grew 20 percent last year to just over 68,000.
<!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->The low-priced segment overall grew between 6 and 10 percent last year, to about 200,000 U.S. sales, depending on how it's counted, and Toyota sees the segment growing by another third this year due to all the new entries.

<!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->"We got our start in the U.S. with small cars," said Ed LaRocque, national marketing and planning manager for Toyota USA.

<!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->Higher gasoline prices are an important, but only partial, factor driving the interest in smaller cars, he said.

<!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->"Buyers are being more practical with what might be their second or third car," he said.

<!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->Even more conservative growth estimates put expected U.S. sales growth in the segment at about 25 percent this year. But even that might not be enough to absorb all the new entries.

<!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->"I don't think the segment is growing fast enough for everyone to win," said Mark McCready, director of market analysis for on-line auto retailer CarsDirect. "The Koreans are going to take the biggest hit. But I think only two of the three Japanese offerings will be a success. Or one will be a success and the other two will see average sales."

<!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->Toyota has competed here with the Echo, but it did not sell well and Toyota pulled the car off the market for the 2005 model year.

<!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->The Yaris has been very successful overseas -- it is Toyota's best-selling model in Europe, where gas is far more expensive, and streets and parking places can be much tighter than in most of the United States. It's also been a success in Japan, where it goes by the name Vitz.

<!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->Honda's and Nissan's new entries into the U.S. market also are models with strong overseas sales.

<!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->Meanwhile Ford and DaimlerChrysler have chosen to stay out of the market, at least for now, despite having some offerings in their overseas brands.

<!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->Ed Hellwig, senior editor for Edmunds.com, who has test-driven both the Yaris and Aveo, said that the Toyota offering is a noticeable step up from both its GM competition as well as Toyota's old Echo. Edmunds.com provides automotive data and content for CNN.com's automotive Websites.

<!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->"Aveo is still a basic utilitarian interior," he said. "The Yaris does a much better job presenting a look and feel of being more upscale. You don't get in and immediately think that you're in one of the cheapest cars on the market."

<!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->Experts say the segment is being helped by the look of the new subcompacts. While the Mini Cooper is priced well above these entry-level economy vehicles, it helped open American car buyers' eyes that small cars could be attractive, and the new models build on that.
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"The new sub-compacts are a lot more easy on the eyes than the Toyota Echo and the Ford Fiesta," said Jesse Toprak, executive director of industry analysis for Edmunds.

<!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->Chevy says that it's ready for the new Japanese assault, with a newly designed version of the Aveo due out in July as well. It says the Aveo is already being sold in more than 100 countries and the new version will eventually reach 140.

<!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->"We have experience competing with those players, and we've competed successfully," said Chevy spokeswoman Maru Santiago. "We're certainly coming from a position of strength."

<!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->But experts say that GM's lack of marketing support for Aveo won't cut it in the face of the new competition.
<!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->"I think Chevy will not be able to leave Aveo unsupported in the market place," said McCready.

source:http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/20/Autos/yaris/index.htm
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mikeyb
04-06-2006, 08:18 AM
Where is Ford, Dodge, Mazda, and VW small compacts?

.paul
04-06-2006, 08:36 AM
getting pWn3d oversea's by the japanese.

dbzeag
04-06-2006, 09:20 AM
Well if they are right, and one out of the 3 will be successful and the other two average, I feel the Fit (Jazz) from Honda will be the winner. It is funky and utilitarian without being controversial like the Element or scion xB and from a name that is known for reliability (Honda).

I looked into the Yaris at the Cleveland Auto show and was very disappointed. I was honestly worried for Toyota because the Corolla is the most basic and boring car I have ever seen and the Yaris was breaking because of how cheaply built it is.

The Mini did well in warming the popularity of subcompacts because it was the right amount of funky with the right amount of refinement. I don't see that at all in the Yaris. It isn't funky at all. The Korean offering felt more solid and put together than the Yaris.

The Aveo was just, well, GM. So cheap plastics and claustrophobia abound.

The Fit is funky, stylish, cheap, and amazingly popular in Europe. I see it doing well here.

zentrandi
04-06-2006, 09:51 AM
I want a Mazda Demio!! just because Itou Misaki endorses it...

.paul
04-06-2006, 09:58 AM
I want a Mazda Demio!! just because Itou Misaki endorses it...
who?

zentrandi
04-06-2006, 10:47 AM
Just google image search her. I was just watching some Japanese TV and i saw a Demio CM, plus she is pretty hot

Alpinejwl
04-06-2006, 10:52 AM
I drove the Aerio and it handled alright. It reminded me of my p5 but of course not as cool looking =p

dmitrik4
04-06-2006, 02:59 PM
the thing that will make or break a small car here is how well it drives. no one wants to be stuck in a cheap-feeling or cheap-looking buzzbox, no matter how good it is on gas.

Protephile
04-06-2006, 03:26 PM
the thing that will make or break a small car here is how well it drives. no one wants to be stuck in a cheap-feeling or cheap-looking buzzbox, no matter how good it is on gas.

And that's exactly why GM will lose again. It is really hard to feel sorry for American manufacturers when all of them are so shockingly clueless.

The only reason domestic SUVs did well, IMO, is because it represented the type of vehicle only we can excel at building: big, cheap and inefficient. And we all know how us Americans love excess.

dmitrik4
04-06-2006, 11:12 PM
it's not b/c SUVs are big, cheap, and inefficient that we're good at building them; it's b/c they're uniquely suited to this market. no one else really has the space, the financial incentives, or the use for them. not a lot of people towing boats or going to Home Depot in Europe and Japan.

each market excels at building the kind of car best suited for it: the US, w/ its cheap gas and lots of open space, is good at big utility vehicles; japan, w/ its 48mph maximum speed limit and oppressive vehicular tax system, is good at small, efficient cars; and europe, with its diesel incentives, curvy roads, and high-speed highways, is good at diesels and suspensions. one isn't better than the other; just different. if japan had $2.00 gasoline, they wouldn't be building super-efficient cars either.

everyone loves excess; it's human nature. Americans, thanks to vast space and natural resources, as well as an unmatched work ethic, are just in a situation where "excess" is more accessible.

SilverBulletES
04-07-2006, 12:35 AM
I kinda like the Honda one. Looks like the old Civic space wagon.

mikeyb
04-07-2006, 07:15 AM
I kinda like the Honda one. Looks like the old Civic space wagon.

The Honda fit. Its a great little car.

mikeyb
04-07-2006, 07:23 AM
Nissan needs to import the Note, Cube, Otti, Moco, and Micra/March here to the states.

Otti
http://press.nissan-global.com/COMMON/IMAGES/CURRENT_JP/OTTI/LOW/otti_04.jpg

Note
http://press.nissan-global.com/COMMON/IMAGES/CURRENT_JP/NOTE/LOW/note_01.jpg

http://press.nissan-global.com/COMMON/IMAGES/CURRENT_JP/NOTE/LOW/note_10.jpg

Cube
http://press.nissan-global.com/COMMON/IMAGES/CURRENT_JP/CUBE_CUBE3/LOW/cube_cube3_09.jpg

Micra/March
http://press.nissan-global.com/COMMON/IMAGES/CURRENT_JP/MARCH/LOW/march_07.jpg

Moco
http://press.nissan-global.com/COMMON/IMAGES/CURRENT_JP/MOCO/LOW/moco_10.jpg

Mazda needs to import the Mazda2.

mikeyb
04-07-2006, 07:32 AM
Fords answer to the small cars.

Fiesta

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="90%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/F/ford/fiesta/03-large/06-3dr-5dr-s.jpg
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Fiesta Zetec-S

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="90%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/F/ford/fiesta/03-large/04-zetec-s-f3q-f.jpg
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Fiesta ST150
http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/F/ford/fiesta/03-large/04-st-f3q-s.jpg

Sportka
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_31/car_portal_pic_15574.jpg (javascript:self.close())

Streetka
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_17/car_portal_pic_8768.jpg (javascript:self.close())

Ka
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_38/car_portal_pic_19155.jpg (javascript:self.close())

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_13/car_portal_pic_6562.jpg (javascript:self.close())

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/ae_roadtest_pics/260111.jpg (javascript:self.close())

Protephile
04-07-2006, 10:05 AM
I gotta admit, that little Fiesta is cool as hell.

mikeyb
04-09-2006, 10:10 AM
VW should also import these to the US.
Polo
http://www.allcarwallpapers.com/wallpapers/previews/volkswagen-polo-bluemotion-6803.jpg

http://www.allcarwallpapers.com/wallpapers/previews/volkswagen-polo-bluemotion-6801.jpg

http://www.allcarwallpapers.com/wallpapers/previews/volkswagen-polo-bluemotion-6802.jpg

Polo GTi
http://www.allcarwallpapers.com/wallpapers/previews/volkswagen-polo-gti-7488.jpg

romecandleboy
04-09-2006, 10:38 AM
...and Subaru needs to resurrect the 'Justy' to jump back into the econobox battle.

AFwestPunk
04-09-2006, 10:44 AM
Firts thing: Itou Misaki is super freakin' mega hot
Second: That Sportka is pretty pimp

ZoomZoomH
04-09-2006, 10:47 AM
the question is, would ANY of you people actually buy one of these things; remember, they are not only small, they are also 'built cheap' to keep the cost down.... i highly doubt there's a big enough market for these cars to last long in the US....

SilverBulletES
04-09-2006, 03:21 PM
the question is, would ANY of you people actually buy one of these things; remember, they are not only small, they are also 'built cheap' to keep the cost down.... i highly doubt there's a big enough market for these cars to last long in the US....

I agree-- still, they're nowhere nearly as small and crappy as the reduced tax "yellow plate" vehicles in Japan (poor) people (often housewives) drive everyday. I was over there a year and was given one by employer. The engines are all 660c or less. The doors are paper thin. The wheels are like 12" wheels. Weight about 1500 pounds.

Besides being automatic mine was pretty fun to drive and I took it on some several hundred mile road trips. But if I was hit by the large trucks that fly down Japanese highways I would have been breakfast.

Kansei
04-09-2006, 03:36 PM
the question is, would ANY of you people actually buy one of these things; remember, they are not only small, they are also 'built cheap' to keep the cost down.... i highly doubt there's a big enough market for these cars to last long in the US....

*raises hand* I'd buy one. I just don't want a car as large as the Protege5 very much. I want a Mazda2, though I don't know what quality is like on them or anything.

Roywhitep5
04-09-2006, 06:22 PM
i want a suzuki capucino

Kansei
04-09-2006, 06:24 PM
i want a suzuki capucino


Move to canada and you can buy one: http://japanoid.com/

Amemiya
04-09-2006, 06:28 PM
I also think Mazda needs to import the Mazda 2. It would be better than all those. I think.

Falango
04-09-2006, 06:59 PM
Mazda needs to import the Mazda2.

Exactly what I was going to say.

Chilledboost
04-09-2006, 06:59 PM
if anyone can find that ford SportKA commercials they are funny as hell

Falango
04-09-2006, 07:11 PM
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/sportka.html

Chilledboost
04-09-2006, 07:25 PM
im trying to find the one with the bird that gets wacked with the hood

Falango
04-09-2006, 09:06 PM
Never seen that one, but now I'd like to.

mikeyb
04-11-2006, 08:04 AM
Mitsubishi small cars

Colt CZ3
http://www.japanesecarfans.com/photos/3040322.003/1016.jpg

http://www.japanesecarfans.com/photos/3040322.003/1018.jpg

http://www.japanesecarfans.com/photos/3040322.003/1011.jpg

http://www.japanesecarfans.com/photos/3040322.003/1012.jpg (http://www.worldcarfans.com/photos.cfm/photoid/3040322.003/pageview/photo/photo/1012/size/large/country/jcf//mitsubishi-colt)

http://www.japanesecarfans.com/photos/3040322.003/1014.jpg

base Colt 5 door Hatch
http://www.japanesecarfans.com/photos/3040322.003/1009.jpg

http://www.japanesecarfans.com/photos/3040322.003/1007.jpg

Colt Plus
http://www.japanesecarfans.com/photos/3041126.001/1023.jpg

http://www.japanesecarfans.com/photos/3041126.001/1024.jpg

http://www.japanesecarfans.com/photos/3041126.001/1006.jpg

dbzeag
04-12-2006, 11:42 AM
I am seriously going ot look at the Fit/Jazz in a couple years when the old protege dies. From the comparison tests I have read, there is no comparison. Honda really did well with this car and it shows. Europe is crawling with them.

awsmp5
04-12-2006, 12:20 PM
that streetka looks alot like the toyota's daihatsu one i forget the name of it.
they also make a car that looks very much like the mini, my grandmotha's got it

Kansei
04-12-2006, 06:06 PM
I am seriously going ot look at the Fit/Jazz in a couple years when the old protege dies. From the comparison tests I have read, there is no comparison. Honda really did well with this car and it shows. Europe is crawling with them.

The problem I have with the fit is that it has a 10 gallon gas tank and doesn't get greater than 40mpg highway so I wouldn't be able to get home from school on one tank. Having such a small tank is what gives it awesome interior space though.

I priced one out, like 15,500 fully loaded (which isn't too exciting). 15" wheels, fog lights, I think steering wheel audio controls, maybe a moonroof in there I don't remember.

I want a small car, but I still want the ability to go ~400 miles between fills.

baknaffekt
04-12-2006, 09:35 PM
Car & Driver just did a comparison with most of these cars. The Honda won by a long shot, followed by the Nissan. The Toyota did pretty poorly. I'll post the order of all the cars if anyone cares.

Kansei
04-12-2006, 09:44 PM
Yeah I read that comparo, the Fit won by like 25 points, it was crazy. I'd get the Versa if I could stomach the way it looks. ugh

baknaffekt
04-12-2006, 09:50 PM
I don't think I could handle a car more cheaply made than the Pro. Everyday I drive over the mine fields that pass for roads around here, I wish I had a car with a little more substance to it...