Turtle wax ICE..Love it!

[rotwiler]

Not sure if this is the place to give opinions on a product, but tried some new stuff called Turtle wax ICE today. It is a clear liquid polymere stuff that cleans and polished the paint, leaves a smooth finish and you put it on your mirrors, black plastic, everything on the car. I first did my 2002 Z28 that is silver and came out great, looks like I spent 4 hours buffing the car and took 30 minutes total, wipes on and off a few minutes later. So today I put some on my other car the Mazda 3 Black Mica, it is amazing looking now, I could see blue sparkles in the paint that I never seen before. Makes the paint so shiny and gives a depth to the paint it never had before(better than new). It also totally covered up all the minor scratches. I normally don't post on stuff like this, but it is some amazing stuff. I did 3 cars and still have enough left to do another 15 or more(barely used any). It reminds me of the stuff you spray on tires to make them shine and smells simular, but when you let it dry for a few minutes and wipe it off, it leaves no residue. I used it on everything too, headlights, tailights, antenna,... I went to Turtle wax site and they claim it lasts about 3 months, is a cleaning polish and removes old stuff when you apply another coat. It took me 30 minutes total from start to finish to do the car. I will post pictures up when I take some. Just had to pass this on, it works amazing and is quick. Even if I have to apply it once a month, it is easy enough and works. I did notice, if you keep using the same microfiber cloth it will leave smears, so as long as you use a clean microfiber cloth each time you do your car you should get great results. I may do a claybar on the car next time and just apply the ICE once a month.

[kmfdMZ3]

that's cool man. black is hard to maintain just cause the scratches are so obvious if you don't maintain the car right. i have a silver mz3 and i use meguiar's deep crystal package which is the soap and 3 step system (paint cleaner, polish, carnauba wax) which gives it a great shine and pops those metallic flakes out. i can't get depth out of my color but the shine and flakes look awesome. it's all about testing and experimenting. like i heard the klass twins (all in one and polymer wax?) is great for black cars. what do you use for your interior? i tried using meguiars quick interior detailer and didn't like it, it left it with a dry look. i like back to black by mothers better, but you gotta buff it good if you don't want that shine (by then im so tired i am too lazy to buff haha)

[rotwiler]

Here is picture of the Mazda 3.. All I did was went through a auto car wash, went home and put the ICE stuff on in about 20 minutes. You can tell a difference just from my signature picture...best part is now it looks like the car has no scratches. Haven't found anything good yet for the interior, I use this stuff called wax shop LPV on my Z28 and like it, but the 3 looks better flat than glossy.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g143/rotwiler/86722412.jpg

[Rio Racer]

if it is a polish wouldn't you have to wax after you polish to keep a layer or shiny protection?

[KzA]

I put a layer of this stuff on my friends expedition..it was amazing how fast we got it done..great product

[Newf]

sounds like a zaino wanna be

Interesting to see how zaino users think of this

[rotwiler]

Isn't anything like Zanio, Zanio goes on in multiple steps and is more of a traditional product. The ICE is a synthetic product that polishes and seals all in one step. I wouldn't say it is so much a polish, more of a paint sealer. A traditional polish needs buffed off and then sealed with a good wax. This stuff doesn't require a final wax. It does say on the Turtle Wax site that it can be applied over wax, but to wash it once before applying the ICE. For the few minutes this stuff takes to go on and take off and the final results, it is great. You can get a better shine taking hours to polish, wax and buff out a car, but to get a simular result in 30 minutes, it is well worth it. The spray detailer they sell to use between the regular ICE stuff has clarified carnuba wax and is water based, unlike the regualr ICE that isn't. It is almost like putting a new clearcoat on the car.

[BeNegative]

sweet. i was wondering about this product. now to find it in our local stores. i haven't seen it yet on our shelves. does it also have that slippery effect after you wax? You know, when you put something on the surface you waxed, it slides off. same w/ water, the water just bubbles right off? thx!

[jersey_emt]

Isn't anything like Zanio, Zanio goes on in multiple steps and is more of a traditional product. The ICE is a synthetic product that polishes and seals all in one step. I wouldn't say it is so much a polish, more of a paint sealer. A traditional polish needs buffed off and then sealed with a good wax. This stuff doesn't require a final wax.

You've got it all wrong about Zaino. Zaino is NOT a "traditional" product, and it is NOT required to go on in multiple steps, it just looks better and better each coat you put on. Probably, the same thing will happen with your ICE.

Zaino doesn't need buffing either, and it is a synthetic product as well.


It does say on the Turtle Wax site that it can be applied over wax, but to wash it once before applying the ICE. For the few minutes this stuff takes to go on and take off and the final results, it is great. You can get a better shine taking hours to polish, wax and buff out a car, but to get a simular result in 30 minutes, it is well worth it.

Zaino gives a better shine than any product I've ever used, and it only took me 20 minutes to throw on a coat on my MSP. Now, with the Miata, I can put on a coat in 15 minutes because there's a lot less surface area.


The spray detailer they sell to use between the regular ICE stuff has clarified carnuba wax and is water based, unlike the regualr ICE that isn't. It is almost like putting a new clearcoat on the car.

Zaino's quick detailer, and especially their new "Grand Finale" quick detailer looks even better than "almost like putting on a new clearcoat".

Like Newf, said, this product sounds to be a Zaino wannabe. Similar application, similar synthetic polish/sealant type stuff. But I can guarantee you that Zaino will give a much better shine. Black cars that have been "Zaino-ed" makes the paint look so deep that you could almost fall into it. It is absolutely INCREDIBLE.

[rotwiler]

I still don't think it is even comparable to Zanio. On the LS1 forums I have been posting on for 4+ years Zanio is popular, but I have went to the Zanio site and the products don't look simular. I am not saying Zanio wouldn't look better, I can't compare since I never used it. The ICE stuff is oily when going on and clear... I'm not sure if Zanio makes a product that is used on trim pieces, windows, paint, etc all in one step... if it did I probably would have already tried it. Your just assuming they are simular.. I'm still not saying the Zanio wouldn't give a better shine, but I found the ICE to work well in a single step..I have looked at Zanio site and there are multiple steps you need to take to get good results, at least the first time it even says you have to use the ZFX or Z-1.

[MSP#735]

very interesting...i for one cant see myself spending that kind of cash on Zanio...i may have to give this ICE product a whirl. i personally have been usign Meguires for some time now and am impressed with it...may be time for a change.

[nate0123]

30 minutes? sounds perfect for a lazy guy like myself ;)

[rotwiler]

After you have waxed your car, then wash it once, you can apply the ICE over the wax on there. So if you already have wax on the car, it would probably turn out better. It isn't a wax and I wouldn't even call it a polish even though thats what they claim it is. It wipes on and off and leaves a super slick surface. I would compare it to a interior protectant, even smells simular.

[Rally Ninja]

Sounds all kinda gimmicky. They even have a lil informercial on their website. even has the Buy this stuff now and get even more for free! I'll stick to my P21s for now.

[Rio Racer]

I bought the Ice polish and the Ice quick spray detailer. I just waxed with meguiars NXT so i'll have to wait a little bit, probably this weekend, until I "Ice Out" my car.

[slate1]

I bought the Ice polish and the Ice quick spray detailer. I just waxed with meguiars NXT so i'll have to wait a little bit, probably this weekend, until I "Ice Out" my car.

Let me know how that works out Rio - I just NXT'd my car this weekend and was very happy with the results. Big fan of the Meguiar's products - If the ICE takes it one step further - I'll have to try it.

Anyone found anything worth a damn to clean the windows? The one's on my '06 Mazda3 seem to attract and HOLD every piece of dust that comes near it.

[Kooldino]

I'm a Zaino man myself, but I don't know WTF you guys are talking about with waxing a car in 30 mins. I take an entire day to do it right. Wash, rinse, wash, rinse, clay bar, wax on, wax off. Then wheels, interior, etc.

[rotwiler]

That is exactly what I was saying... I never seen anyone say they could do Zanio correctly in 20 minutes. Not sure how it could even be possible since multiple steps are required to get the results. I go to car shows and started showing my Z28 lately, the guys in the club have show only cars(mine is a daily driver) and they spend hours and days polishing, waxing, sealing their cars and they look like glass. I have nowhere near the time and since I drive mine to work 5 days a week a 30 minute fix is what I need and still be able to show the car and it looks like I spent hours doing it. Also, the ICE covered up scratches and is self cleaning. I used NXT before the ICE and I am happier with the ICE for ease of use and covering up minor scratches. The ICE spray works fine for in between the regular ICE treatment, but it is nothing like the bottle ICE and I'm sure any spray detailer could be used instead of the spray ice. You have to use a microfiber cloth or the ICE stuff will leave a wet looking residue, other than that it works great. It works great on the plastic trim and leaves a nice shine like it is new again. The windows look great with it on too, but the site says don't use it on the front window, because it can cause wipers to smear. For $16 a bottle you could do easily 20 cars, so even doing it once a month you would have 20 months of use. I don't think it is the prefect product for everyone, but for me, it's either the ice or I would never have time to wax the car and I hate any residue.

[2003newlyack]

i think i've been convinced to buy this ICE and give it a go

[clownphish]

Nice. I've tried so many different products on my Black Mica P5 and they've all pretty much been the same. I love my black car but it is a bitch to keep clean and if this will help cut down on the time shining it up (especially since I have to take it to the bay now) then it's totally worth a shot.

[Jeph]

Hmmm, I am skeptical about using this... BUt maybe i'll give it a try

[505zoom]

That's cool man, sounds like a good product... you have a couple misconceptions about zaino though still.

1. It most definitely DOES go on (and wipe off) more like a liquid than a traditional paste wax.
2. If the car is already clean, 1 coat CAN be done in 20 minutes or so.
3. You can put it on trim pieces, wheels, bare metal... pretty much anything you want to shine up, and it doesn't leave any white residue like traditional paste wax.

Not trying to say one is better than the other because I haven't tried the ICE stuff yet, but didn't want anyone to be confused about zaino after reading this thread.

[505zoom]

Nice. I've tried so many different products on my Black Mica P5 and they've all pretty much been the same. I love my black car but it is a bitch to keep clean and if this will help cut down on the time shining it up (especially since I have to take it to the bay now) then it's totally worth a shot.

mmm... black mica?...

http://www.msprotege.com/members/505zoom/zainoclose4.jpg

[clownphish]

Mmmm indeed! (first) I don't know what it is but black is just the ultimate car color. When done well it's absolutely stunning. And the best part about it is it's black but you can see every minute detail. Love. It.

[Newf]

That's cool man, sounds like a good product... you have a couple misconceptions about zaino though still.

1. It most definitely DOES go on (and wipe off) more like a liquid than a traditional paste wax.
2. If the car is already clean, 1 coat CAN be done in 20 minutes or so.
3. You can put it on trim pieces, wheels, bare metal... pretty much anything you want to shine up, and it doesn't leave any white residue like traditional paste wax.

Not trying to say one is better than the other because I haven't tried the ICE stuff yet, but didn't want anyone to be confused about zaino after reading this thread.

I'll second this. With Zaino, you only have to wash, clay, then wash, then wax etc the first time you apply Zaino or any real wax for that matter. Claying should be done for any car using any wax in the spring, and maybe once in again later in the year. Claying is not fun.

Zaino itself is very easy to use, and is quite possible to do a coat in 30 mins using the zfx accelerator. I always do 3 coats in one day though. And yes, you can put zaino on anything...paint, rubber, wheels, headlights, brake lights, the Mazda symbol's...everything. And it doesn't ever leave a white residue like traditional waxes. And, if you miss wiping off a spot for a few days....no biggie, just wipe it off like dust when you do find it.

ICE's process sounds very close to how Zaino is applied. Their marketing also very close, that is all I was saying.

[clownphish]

That does seem like a more logical formulation for a product that's supposed to give maximum shine. It's like wax + buffing = gloss. But clear liquid + light buffing = gloss. I'm sure the levels of protection are different, but still, I've been wanting to try Zaino for forever and if this is even 75% as good as that then for $16 - I canna hack it. :\

[starfir3]

Ok so you got me, im sold.

Can i buy this product at Canadian Tire or Walmart or do i have to get it from the site?

[altspace]

Turtle wax...still trying to make a come back...I love it.

[Rio Racer]

I just waxed my tiburon today with turtle wax ice and i'm blown away by the results. You guys need to try this for yourself before you make fun of turtle wax. I have used many different waxes and polishes (meguiars NXT, Gold Class 3 step, zymol...etc) and nothing give my car the sparkle Turtle wax ice does. I'm sold. The application process is very easy. Once I washed and dried my car it only took me about 45 min to do the whole car. As soon as I drove the car out to a pizza house I got 4 compliments in 15 min about how clean it was. It's really some good stuff.

[rotwiler]

I just waxed my tiburon today with turtle wax ice and i'm blown away by the results. You guys need to try this for yourself before you make fun of turtle wax. I have used many different waxes and polishes (meguiars NXT, Gold Class 3 step, zymol...etc) and nothing give my car the sparkle Turtle wax ice does. I'm sold. The application process is very easy. Once I washed and dried my car it only took me about 45 min to do the whole car. As soon as I drove the car out to a pizza house I got 4 compliments in 15 min about how clean it was. It's really some good stuff.

I put it on my Z28 over a month ago and only had to use a california duster to get pollen off the car. Some people say durability sucks, but has lasted great on my Z28 and Mazda 3 even in rain. My mother who never washes her car has a Pontiac Sunfire and I did her car, now she wants to buy some. My black mica 3 looked like crap every 3 or so days and would have to be washed 2 times at least a week, now I am going 2 weeks between washes. To me, I could care less what anyone thinks about it, while I spend 30 minutes 1 time a month to do the ICE, I am just happy I can make my cars look great in a short amount of time. It takes me just as long to put spray detailer on and take it off as the full ICE treatment. My wheels, plastic, everything looks like new..
Here is my Z28 with it on... only 1 coat.
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g143/rotwiler/IMG_0745.jpg

[2003newlyack]

can you buy this stuff at auto zone or walmart or do you have to buy it online

[brealmp3]

cool, glad to see some positives of this stuff because i was thinking of picking it up!

[Rio Racer]

can you buy this stuff at auto zone or walmart or do you have to buy it online
I bought my "ice" at walmart. It was about 16 bucks for the wax and 8 dollars for the "Ice" detailer.

[jR.]

Im getting some today, better work...:)

[2003newlyack]

i purchased mine this weekend and ill be washing and then putting it on tomorrow with pictures hopefully

[BeNegative]

damn walfart only had the ice detail for $10...

[2003newlyack]

wow just used the turtle wax ice, and it works amazing!

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c47/mattiesmallz003/100_0431.jpg
dont mind the rock chips

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c47/mattiesmallz003/100_0433.jpg

[sanblaster]

LOVE IT. http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123634635

[2003newlyack]

allright so it has been one day since i used the polish, and my only dissapointment is all the dust that has been collecting where i applied the polish.. i wipe it off with my microfiber mitt, but is there a way to make it so i don't have to do it so often? any suggestions/ideas would be helpful.

[sanblaster]

Yeah I got some dust on mine and some crap from trees. And my moms truck also had stuff on it. Maybe the wax is a magnet.

[splitvizion]

i used this stuff last week and my car looked like I washed it every day for a good week. until it rained and then it still looked great. i've tryed other products and the shine just doesnt last as long. I am def satisfied with spending the 14.99.
Ps. The dust is gonna happen no matter what you use. If you live in an area that is dusty then their isnt really anything you can do about it but whipe with your microfiber mit. I live in what is considered a country rural area south of Pittsburgh and I can telll you first hand that no products are going to stop that.

[2003newlyack]

yeah i used a microfiber mitt twice a day, and it was a pain but oh well.. new york sucks

[Bakrauf]

I got the Turtle wax Ice today on your alls recomindations.. OOO it is very nice. I was using Meguires wax and detail spray but this Ice beats them all. So much detail in the paint now its unreal. Probably the best and easist stuff I have ever used. I can see all the little metal flakes.. I love that you can use it on everything. It makes my bug deflector really shine@

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/6402/0000118small6fd.jpg

[2003newlyack]

looks awesome!

[MrE007]

Very easy to wax the car with this wax.

I think meguiars gold puts more depth on my black car though. Plus there are more beads from the meguiars when raining.

I like the ICE wax b/c of the quick waxing time.

[azn712]

can any one include a picuture of the product? i can't find it anywhere.

Thanks

[2003newlyack]

just go to an autozone or advanced auto parts or a store similar to those, or you could always buy it online which is more exspensive
http://www.turtlewax.com/ice/index.html

[Norenzo]

My boss recommended Techwax, so I thought I try it. Here are the results.


http://aycu02.webshots.com/image/1161/1702859583030132428_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/viewimage?imageID=1702859583030132428)


I didn't really apply enough wax but just a thin layer still adds quite a bit of shine. I haven't tried any of the other waxes but this is one of the most expensive on the market I think.

[Jeph]

I think we agree that there are some things that can make it shine more, but the ICE goes on so easily. If you odn't have a lot of time, then use it.

[2003newlyack]

my car shines pretty damn good with the turtle wax ice
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c47/mattiesmallz003/100_0432.jpg

[magik]

This TurtleWax ICE thing sounds pretty good, but I guess since it's considered a WAX I probably shouldn't be using it? I just got my Mazda 3s GT (Black Mica) about two weeks ago and I've read all over the place that you shouldn't wax a new car until at least ~6months. Is there any product you guys could recommend that's not a wax but will do more than just washing the car will? Or even a good car-wash soap to use? Thanks! :)

EDIT: Just tried this TurtleWax ICE stuff and.... (omg)

[Imprtracr1]

Ive never heard that you shouldn't wax a car until 6 months....

[NCZ13]

if you guys think nxt tech wax is expensive

you obviously never heard of swisswax =)

[wolverine_man]

I second the Tech Wax, atleast the 2.0. Best wax I have used so far, especially for the price. It is up there as far as regularly available waxes - walmart, etc, - but it is still pretty inexpensive. I mean Zymol makes shit that costs - $7,580.00 a tin (Zymol Royal Glaze).

[mikeski]

i just spent 4 hours with the meguires clay kit! maybe ill try the ice next.

[nondual]

Do you need to claybar before using ICE?

Also, can I use it after I get my car back from the body-shop? New paint is part of the repairs they are doing.

[NCZ13]

claying needs to be done no more than 2-3 times a year.

when your car gets back to the body shop, the paint has to cure i believe 4-6 weeks before it can be waxed.

and might i recommend something a bit higher end then TW ice?

its honestly not the most durable wax on the market, and there are much better OTC waxes and sealants available. not to mention the plethora of online products

[nondual]

claying needs to be done no more than 2-3 times a year.

when your car gets back to the body shop, the paint has to cure i believe 4-6 weeks before it can be waxed.

and might i recommend something a bit higher end then TW ice?

its honestly not the most durable wax on the market, and there are much better OTC waxes and sealants available. not to mention the plethora of online products

Recommend what you like, but keep in mind that I spend almost no time detailing my car. Heck, it got so dirty so fast in LA that I only washed it about every three months.

[NCZ13]

you want to go with a synthetic sealant like meguiars 21.

especially since you only wash every three months (the horror)

a synthetic sealant is much more durable than any wax. and depending on climate will bead water up consistently if applied correctly for up to 6 weeks.

[elieleb1303]

i just read through this entire thread, and unless i missed something, how did noone mention how nice it is not having the white residue left over from the wax?! that, along wit how easy it is to apply, is why i like ice.

also, not too long ago they came out with ice clay bar, i think when i change my oil and wash the car i will give this a shot along with the wax..ill let u guys know how it goes

[NCZ13]

the liquid claybar will not give you the same results as a actual claybar.

many people have done comparisons on the detailing forums im on, and it was determined that the liquid clay bar, is more of a paint cleaner than a clay bar.

a paint cleaner is used to remove old layers of wax and sealant without leaving a sealing residue (like a cleaner wax does)

pre wax cleaners are used to make the paint bare, and make it so that the new LSP (last step procedure i.e the wax or sealant) adheres better to the paint.

http://autopia.org/forum/click-brag/91093-turtle-wax-product-reviews-c-b-2001-4-runner.html?highlight=Turtle+Wax+ICE

[elieleb1303]

hmm, good to know..
well i have a liquid platinum ms6, doesnt have much damage on the paint at all, just wanted to clay bar to see how it would turn out..so i know that i dont need a super good clay bar, but what would u recommend?

[NCZ13]

a good over the counter product that gets the job done is the meguiars clay kit or the mothers clay kit.

the first time you clay will take you a long time, but the more often you clay (not your car, but lets say you start claying others peoples cars) youll start doing it quicker and quicker.

if you get the mothers clay kit, seperate the clay into 3 chunks, and retire or demote the clay pieces, when they start to stick to your hand. a 1/3 of the mothers claybar is enough to clay your entire car at least 2 times depending on the condition of the paint.

edit: the plus of the megiuars clay kit is that you get a pretty plush microfiber towel. which is of decent quality

[clicknext]

I've used ICE for a while and I'd definitely recommend it. It looks great, safe for paint as far as I can tell, and is super easy to apply. And you can use it on black rim pieces too, no problem, which saves a lot of effort. The only negative is that it doesn't last too long, I wax about once every 4 months and the wax is pretty much all gone by that time.

[wolverine_man]

I just tried clay for the first time a couple weeks ago. I first washed an cleaned the wheels really well. Next, I washed the car down with a little bit of Meguiar's car wash mix and mostly dish detergent to clean right down to the paint. After that, I dried using a microfiber towel.

Then I used some Mothers Scratch Remover on any scratches that I saw. Then I used a 3M Finishing scratch remover on top of those scratches. The Mothers stuff is absolutely amazing, by the way.

Then I clayed the whole car using half of the bar. I used Clay Magic. I then waxed the whole thing using NXT 2.0. Finally I finished up all of the black plastic with Mother's Back to Black and dressed the tires. Took me 5 hours with a short break for lunch!! I am not doing that again any time soon. For me, I think I will only clay once a year in the spring. Maybe also in the fall again if I am feeling ambitious.

Amazing results though. Just amazing. (2thumbs)

[poonpower]

Just did the ICE thing just now, it was soooo much more easier to apply than regular wax, and it gives similar if not better results. Gonna put another coat on, just to make it more shiny.
then do the same thing to my 2000 protege.

[robin2660]

Sounds all kinda gimmicky. They even have a lil informercial on their website. even has the Buy this stuff now and get even more for free! I'll stick to my P21s for now.


That's what I think about most products.

Plain old, good quality Carnuba wax if you have time and energy, and liquid wax if you don't. It's worked well for me, for 32 years. For me, waxing is only to protect the paint, which protects the metal underneath. I have found out the hard way that environmental chemicals, dirts, bird shit, bug goo, etc. will actually infiltrate your paint and cause rust.

Plus, shiny paint helps resale value (even if POS).

My bicycle frame builder (Waterford) uses an interesting steel treatment and super-tough primer - an approach I like. More cars need this kind of protection.

Waxing tip for MS3: do door side moulding delete. I didn't do this for the car's looks because I rely on my own personal beauty for attractive purposes. I don't worry about beautifying my cars! (loser)

[azturbo3d]

the ice detailer smells so good, it makes me wanna hug my car

[whitey4311]

Just did my second coat after just 3 weeks since the first. Fucking massive ice storm hit So Cali this past week and I was trippin about my poor car being in the middle of it. To my surprise it did very well with just a few specs in the clear coat and a few surface scratches in the clear coat.

I really like the Ice compared to NXT so far and the fact it shines plastics is genius.

[SwampAss]

Turtle wax ice sucks. The shine is not quite what you get with a good quality wax and it static charges your car. I had 2 weeks worth of pollen and dust on my car in 1 hour.

I'll keep using my regular wax. Besides, it keep my guns shapely.

[NCZ13]

Turtle wax ice sucks. The shine is not quite what you get with a good quality wax and it static charges your car. I had 2 weeks worth of pollen and dust on my car in 1 hour.

I'll keep using my regular wax. Besides, it keep my guns shapely.

i got tired of telling people ICE is a terrible product...

there is so much better OTC products.

[whitey4311]

I will clarify that I use the paste version not the liquid stuff. The paste apparently lasts longer and is more durable.

So far it wins against NXT but I have not tried other brands as of yet. Not sure why you guys dont like the ICE products but if you havent tried them you may change your mind. It is interesting to heard about the static charge on the car because I never thought wax would be the cause for that and I dont think that is the case. That shit always runs to my car and sticks, especially on my black color.

[SwampAss]

I think it has more to do with the foam applicator pad.

[NCZ13]

I will clarify that I use the paste version not the liquid stuff. The paste apparently lasts longer and is more durable.

So far it wins against NXT but I have not tried other brands as of yet. Not sure why you guys dont like the ICE products but if you havent tried them you may change your mind. It is interesting to heard about the static charge on the car because I never thought wax would be the cause for that and I dont think that is the case. That shit always runs to my car and sticks, especially on my black color.

i have personally tried many different waxes from different brands as well as ICE last summer, and by far it was probably one of the worst products i used. it wasnt as durable as NXT, the protection wasnt there, and the slickness was completely gone after 1 wash.

the best wax i have used so far is pinnacle signature series II, its a carnuba wax, and is a wipe on, wipe off kind of wax, so it doesnt have to sit there and haze. as far as protection, i use Meguiars 21 synthetic sealant, which is a great product, but there are better products out there. (but its what i have for now, so ill use it)

if you want a really good bang for buck wax, check out the collinite line of waxes. really cheap, extremely durable, and has great looks. its usually available at marine supply stores, or a car quest.

[whitey4311]

Well my ICE looks good after a few washes and a bitchin ice storm so I dont agree. The water was still beading much better then the NXT was after a few washes.

I wipe my car daily with detailer and dont really have to wash it unless it rains so that may help. The issue I had with the NXT is that after a few wipe downs or washes the MF towel wouldnt glide on the paint like it did just after waxing. The ICE on the other hand keeps feeling as if it is waxed but I just started using it so need more time to make a final call about what I think.

I dont really ever see my self buying very expensive wax on the net but maybe its what must be done to get the really good stuff. These new synthetic waxes are just so easy to use and while they may not shine like carnuba they offer enough shine and offer the required protection. I am no expert but they make me happy and I would rather have a decent product that needs to be applied more often then a very expensive one that I try to stretch out by applying less often.

For me its one of those things where if you have a lame weekend with nothing to do it is a car waxing day. I seem to just do it when I have nothing better to do so this time around it was only 3 weeks between waxing and the ICE still looked great. The ice storm we had freaked me out and had me cringing at the sound it made on my car so I did a fresh coat of ICE for a nice inspection of the paint and to wipe the pain I get away, lol.

In the end have to strongly disagree that it doesnt last more then a wash or handful of washes based on my initial impressions. For sure it is lasting longer then NXT but I know they have the new 2.0 out so maybe when this is done I will try that again. More then likely since ICE shines plastics and I dont have to worry about using Back to Black all over the car I will stick with it, time will tell.

PS just waxed my car with the ICE and the wifes with NXT (left overs, lol) so I will compare the 2 after a few weeks and see whats up. It should be a fair comparison although I did liquid clay bar mine before the wax to remove any old NXT and I did not do that to hers. Hers had the NXT from several months ago so I didnt worry about a change in product affecting its adhering properties.

[CWPspeed3]

When I first got my car I used Eagle 1 nanowax, what crappy wax, it didnt turn black plastic white which was the only positive about it. That wax job lasted about a month and 3-4 washes, since then I've used Mothers clay bar and the regular wax that came with that and love the result, that was only a week ago so I've yet to see how that will hold up.

[HiggyGT]

I just bought this stuff based on this thread and I am impressed. Was easy to apply and wipe off (took about 20 mins) and had a great gloss look to it. I did it yesterday so I can not comment on the longevity of the product.

It did rain this morning and it beaded like a carnuba wax did. One thing I did notice though, it was 85 and sunny htis afternoon and when I went to fold in my drivers side mirror, I noticed it still had a very oily consitancy.

I used very little product to achive the look it gave me so all in all I'm happy with the initial results. And no it does not copare to the zanio treatment but it still looks very good none the less.

[bast525]

For anyone who is interested in hearing about (yet another) easy synthetic wax, I've been using Duragloss Aquawax for about a year now and am 100% devoted to this stuff.

It can be used as a "wax as you dry" after washing, but I prefer drying the car first. Then, just spray this stuff on and buff it off, one body panel at a time.

VERY easy to apply, leaves the paint feeling very slippery and water beads and rolls right off afterwards. I tried this stuff because it came very highly recommended at Autopia.org, and I am glad I did.

[sperry]

Turtle wax ice sucks. The shine is not quite what you get with a good quality wax and it static charges your car. I had 2 weeks worth of pollen and dust on my car in 1 hour.

I'll keep using my regular wax. Besides, it keep my guns shapely.
I agree.. ICE sucks.

I spent *hours* detailing my GF's Saab while she was out of town as a favor to her. After washing, clay bar, paint cleaner, and polish it was starting to look downright decent. Then I use that ICE junk on the car and it ended up looking like I had just turned bag of potato chips inside out and rubbed the chip grease from the inside of the bag all over the paint. :mad:

It looked terrible and left the car untouchable (the film of "wax" got on your hands and clothes every time you touched the car) so I ended up having to bust out the dish soap and rewash the car all over again (and again, and again before that junk came off) and go back to some good old Mequire's. It's months later and that ICE crap is still in the cracks between the trim and the paint... I can smell it.

[NCZ13]

not to mention that the liquid ICE polish, is a supposed to be a LSP

however a true polish is a abrasives suspended in an oil based liquid that requires heat and friction to break down.

the liquid version was nothing more than well... a slippery liquid. i still have a full bottle sitting in my garage. i have no use for it whatsover.

[b-ron]

not to mention that the liquid ICE polish, is a supposed to be a LSP

however a true polish is a abrasives suspended in an oil based liquid that requires heat and friction to break down.

the liquid version was nothing more than well... a slippery liquid. i still have a full bottle sitting in my garage. i have no use for it whatsover.

very well put:)

[b-ron]

I agree.. ICE sucks.

I spent *hours* detailing my GF's Saab while she was out of town as a favor to her. After washing, clay bar, paint cleaner, and polish it was starting to look downright decent. Then I use that ICE junk on the car and it ended up looking like I had just turned bag of potato chips inside out and rubbed the chip grease from the inside of the bag all over the paint. :mad:

It looked terrible and left the car untouchable (the film of "wax" got on your hands and clothes every time you touched the car) so I ended up having to bust out the dish soap and rewash the car all over again (and again, and again before that junk came off) and go back to some good old Mequire's. It's months later and that ICE crap is still in the cracks between the trim and the paint... I can smell it.

(omg) dish soap!!!!!!!!! that will eat your clear coat the ph balance is way to strong to be used on paint

[sperry]

(omg) dish soap!!!!!!!!! that will eat your clear coat the ph balance is way to strong to be used on paint
Nothing else would take off that ICE junk. It's like engineered fried chicken grease.

[b-ron]

lol hahaha i believe it

[whitey4311]

Well I use the paste version of ICE and like it so far. When I called Turtle Wax they told me the paste was a better formula for longevity and a more durable coat. It didnt make much sense to me to use the liquid so I never gave it a chance.

Both the ICE and NXT are holding up just fine on both our cars so I will see which looks best in another few weeks and report back.

[jtspells]

I've had no major issues with it yet, but than again im going from a black bimmer to my silver mazda...

[whitey4311]

I still think I will try that Zaino stuff next just to see what the fuss is all about. They sell some detail spray that I like to use to do daily wipe downs so that is a plus. I will likely order a bottle of the All in One stuff and they detail spray for next time.

A couple of questions for those who use Zaino:

Is it the all in one stuff I should use?
Can you use regular meguiars or ICE car wash or do you have to use their stuff?
Meguiars Clay bar kit just as good as the Zaino version?

Basically all I want to do is buy the all in one and their detailer and use the car wash stuff that I can buy by the jug. Is that ok?

[ThrillRide]

I agree.. ICE sucks.

I spent *hours* detailing my GF's Saab while she was out of town as a favor to her. After washing, clay bar, paint cleaner, and polish it was starting to look downright decent. Then I use that ICE junk on the car and it ended up looking like I had just turned bag of potato chips inside out and rubbed the chip grease from the inside of the bag all over the paint. :mad:

It looked terrible and left the car untouchable (the film of "wax" got on your hands and clothes every time you touched the car) so I ended up having to bust out the dish soap and rewash the car all over again (and again, and again before that junk came off) and go back to some good old Mequire's. It's months later and that ICE crap is still in the cracks between the trim and the paint... I can smell it.


Welcome to silicone filled products. ;)

[ThrillRide]

(omg) dish soap!!!!!!!!! that will eat your clear coat the ph balance is way to strong to be used on paint

(headshake

First of all dish soaps are not created equal so one may be worse than another, but no, simply using dish soap on your paint will not hurt it. It certainly will not eat your clear coat. Over time the regular use of dish soap will dry out seals, rubber, plastic, etc. And if you are not protecting the paint after use it will leave your paint vulnerable. The pH is not too strong. Dawn, which is usually the product in question on this topic, has a pH of 8.
I don't like using dish soap but if you are going to you must protect the paint, rubbers and plastics after use or you will be doing damage.

[b-ron]

(headshake

First of all dish soaps are not created equal so one may be worse than another, but no, simply using dish soap on your paint will not hurt it. It certainly will not eat your clear coat. Over time the regular use of dish soap will dry out seals, rubber, plastic, etc. And if you are not protecting the paint after use it will leave your paint vulnerable. The pH is not too strong. Dawn, which is usually the product in question on this topic, has a pH of 8.
I don't like using dish soap but if you are going to you must protect the paint, rubbers and plastics after use or you will be doing damage.

either way. they make car shampoo for a reason!!!! its perfectly balanced so that it cant harm the paint in any way ..If you are the 1 in 12 who wax their car 3 times a year use a car wash soap. For the 92% of you who don't use these unesesary wax products the car really doen't care if your hands look twenty years younger by using Dove for dishes in you bucket.

[b-ron]

not trying to be a dick or anything with my last post but thats a big no no at my shop just like using microfiber towels on the rims then the paint, using clay after you droped it..........

[ThrillRide]

either way. they make car shampoo for a reason!!!!

To make money? lol j/k
Did you know that the pH in Meg's gold class is higher than that of Dawn?

[ThrillRide]

not trying to be a dick or anything with my last post but thats a big no no at my shop just like using microfiber towels on the rims then the paint, using clay after you droped it..........


No worries bro, but the record needed to be set straight. I mean to say dish soap is going to eat through your clearcoat?! If that were the case what do you figure happens to the dishes its being used on, or better yet your hands! If a dish soap did that I don't figure to many people would have hands. If your shop doesn't use it thats cool, I don't use it either. But you need to get the facts right.

[Stormtrooper77]

Just finished reading this whole thread. Which product is quick and provides the results? Is it the Liquid Polish, Paste Polish, Detailer, all three or a combination of the three? Everyone just seems to say "ICE" in general.

[NCZ13]

the paste wax.

although i wouldnt call them good results...

for the question regarding zaino usage...

you can use and car wash you want. i believe, the z18 clay is a milder clay than most. therefore it wont marr your paint as badly as other more aggressive clays, however it will take longer to remove all the containments.

the more aggressive = more crap removed from your paint, but also means youll be doing a little bit more marring to your paint.

[TorqSpeed5252]

Turtle Wax ICE....love it. Even put a little in my hair if I've been having a rough week.

[whitey4311]

Well I really want to try that Zaino stuff but I really looked close at my black MS3 today with the ICE paste freshly on it and it is damn good looking.

This AM I had that grease smear on it as previously mentioned but found it was due to too heavy a mist of the detailer. So I wiped it clean with a MF towel with just a light spray of ICE cetailer on it and its gone.

If it keeps looking this good I dont see a need to switch but I do want to try a so called "higher level" product other then what can be had OTC. It just that this black car looks very good right now and shines very very well compared to the NXT I used for the past year. Maybe Zaino is even better, who knows so perhaps I will have to try it soon.

[b-ron]

To make money? lol j/k
Did you know that the pH in Meg's gold class is higher than that of Dawn?

lol! well theres a difference in dishes vs paint, even more if the paint is less then a year old because the paint is not completely hard yet!!!!

[ForceFed]

either way. they make car shampoo for a reason!!!! its perfectly balanced so that it cant harm the paint in any way ..If you are the 1 in 12 who wax their car 3 times a year use a car wash soap. For the 92% of you who don't use these unesesary wax products the car really doen't care if your hands look twenty years younger by using Dove for dishes in you bucket.
Its formulated not to strip the wax..thats its primary goal.
The Dish soap will..in fact..strip the wax..which is exactly what the poster wanted to do.
It won't harm the paint..just take all of your hard wax work off.

[ForceFed]

lol! well theres a difference in dishes vs paint, even more if the paint is less then a year old because the paint is not completely hard yet!!!!
WTF are you talking about..The paint is Fully cured in weeks..not years man.

Geez..who fed you this useless BS you are spreading.

And yes..I paint..so I guess I know a bit on the subject.
Not to mention...OEM finishes are baked and require EVEN LESS cure time.

[ForceFed]

Oh..and on Topic....I bought the TW ICE because of this thread when it first came out...Apllied it to the tC...HATED IT.....Then it sat in my garage for a good year before I figured out one day that it is good for something...Keeping my nice bike shiny.

SO yeah..works pretty good on my Bike..but You couldn't ay me to use it on a car.

[ThrillRide]

WTF are you talking about..The paint is Fully cured in weeks..not years man.

Geez..who fed you this useless BS you are spreading.

And yes..I paint..so I guess I know a bit on the subject.
Not to mention...OEM finishes are baked and require EVEN LESS cure time.

thank you!

rightlook training at its best

[b-ron]

Here is a quote from Dawns web site I dug up.

"Your car surface and the dirt that gets on it are a lot different from the food soils and dishes that dishwashing liquids clean effectively. We don't recommend them for cleaning your car."

yes dawn will strip wax no question and no it wont ruin your paint the first tine you use it, but so does clay bar or a polish!!!! so its either do whats safest or lets do exactly the opposite that even dawn suggest.

while were at it lets change our oil every 50,000 miles

FORCEDFED: And yes..I paint..so I guess I know a bit on the subject.
Not to mention...OEM finishes are baked and require EVEN LESS cure time.

your not even supposed to wax your car for the first couple of month because the paint is not completely cured. it even says that in your owners book but you guys are the professionals dont mined me

[NCZ13]

what a strange circular arguement...

personally i dont use dawn on any of the cars of my clients, or my personal family cars.

if i have to remove a previous layers of protection, it usually comes off during the claybar and polish stage.

however a dawn wash isnt bad, you dont want it as your only car shampoo.

[b-ron]

what a strange circular arguement...

personally i dont use dawn on any of the cars of my clients, or my personal family cars.

if i have to remove a previous layers of protection, it usually comes off during the claybar and polish stage.

however a dawn wash isnt bad, you dont want it as your only car shampoo.

you made that seem so easy lol well said!!!!

[vinkalmann]

I still think I will try that Zaino stuff next just to see what the fuss is all about. They sell some detail spray that I like to use to do daily wipe downs so that is a plus. I will likely order a bottle of the All in One stuff and they detail spray for next time.

A couple of questions for those who use Zaino:

Is it the all in one stuff I should use?
Can you use regular meguiars or ICE car wash or do you have to use their stuff?
Meguiars Clay bar kit just as good as the Zaino version?

Basically all I want to do is buy the all in one and their detailer and use the car wash stuff that I can buy by the jug. Is that ok?

If you are going to try the Zaino treatment (you should) get the following from the Zaino site:

http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=Zaino

Zaino Clay bar (doesn't necessarily have to be zaino, but it's just as easy to order at the same time as other stuff)
z5 (swirl remover, non abrasive)
z2 (polish, non abrasive)
z6 (gloss enhancer)
ZFX additive

You can basically buy this kit:

http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ZKIT-1&Category_Code=Zaino&Product_Count=20

Read the site for details, but the process is basically:

1. Wash your car with Dawn (strips old wax and products)
2. Clay bar your entire car ( removes particles stuck in your finish)
3. Wash your car again with Dawn
4. Apply Z2
5. Apply Z5
6. Apply Z2
7. Apply Z7

Repeat steps 6 and 7 up to three times in a 24 hour period. The finish will continue to get shinier the more coats of z2 that are put on.

The z7 is gloss enhancer that you can use in between the major z2 treatments (looks great).

Zaino isn't cheap and is fairly labor intensive initially. The results are WELL worth it. My black mica speed 3 looks amazing after it's done. It's a snap to wash the car again as the dirt slips right off. The finish lasts for several months, much longer than carnuba.

The all in one solution you were referring to is new and I haven't tried it. Note that this product has a mild abrasive where Z2 and Z5 don't.

[ForceFed]

your not even supposed to wax your car for the first couple of month because the paint is not completely cured. it even says that in your owners book but you guys are the professionals dont mined meAnd what was this point you were trying to make here?

....We never said anything about the time needed BEFORE you are allowed to wax after paint OR getting a new car...
Your dumb comment said that even after a year the paint was not fully cured.
Wrong.
Period.

It takes weeks..Not months....and it really doesn't get harder..but it does release chemicals out of the paint while curing that the wax would seal in.

You CAN HOWEVER..Polish your Fresh Paint....Just not wax it.
There are many products widely available to do this with.
Polish washes off after a couple of cycles and allows the paint to "breathe" during its curing process while still protecting the finish.


You got any other bright ideas or comments you want to throw my way? (boom03)

[ThrillRide]

And what was this point you were trying to make here?

....We never said anything about the time needed BEFORE you are allowed to wax after paint OR getting a new car...
Your dumb comment said that even after a year the paint was not fully cured.
Wrong.
Period.

It takes weeks..Not months....and it really doesn't get harder..but it does release chemicals out of the paint while curing that the wax would seal in.

You CAN HOWEVER..Polish your Fresh Paint....Just not wax it.
There are many products widely available to do this with.
Polish washes off after a couple of cycles and allows the paint to "breathe" during its curing process while still protecting the finish.


You got any other bright ideas or comments you want to throw my way? (boom03)

True stuff.
Except you can actually wax with a carnauba wax because of its natural breathability. Synthetic sealants however will not allow it to off-gas.

And besides, (for most of us) by the time the car rolls off the line and makes it to its destination and you make the purchase the paint is good to go.

[whitey4311]

I just had body work done on my fender and the guy said wait 6 weeks to wax but I couldnt take it any longer and did it after about 2-3 weeks of hot weather so figured the paint was fine.

ThrillRide thank you very much for your time and that info. I dont think I will be buying all those kits as that is a bit crazy for me. I am just looking for a nice wax job and it seems despite what is being said the ICE paste looks very good to my wax ignorant eye, lol.

But who knows maybe I will buy it and go crazy one day and see what the results are like. The pics in the testimonials are amazing and pretty much have me sold on that kit you linked me to.

[sunny4201]

Does the Liquid Ice have the same results as the paste Ice? i have bought the liquid ice and it does not seem to last that long.

The smoothness goes away in 5-7 days.

[whitey4311]

The liquid I think is a dumb idea that I dont see how could work. I used the paste and love it so far. It seems to be looking better then NXT did in the same amount of time. I need more time to give it a final thought but so far so good.

PS called TW and they said the paste was better because it lasts longer and gives a more durable finish.

[controlo]

The liquid I think is a dumb idea that I dont see how could work. I used the paste and love it so far. It seems to be looking better then NXT did in the same amount of time. I need more time to give it a final thought but so far so good.

PS called TW and they said the paste was better because it lasts longer and gives a more durable finish.

yeah, i would think any kind of liquid paste or paste would be more durable than a pure liquid. it's kind of annoying how manufacturers label products with the same name that have different results and different durabilities, etc.

[Je5ter]

This product for what it is is VERY GOOD. I used the liquid clay bar treatment and liquid Ice polish. The liquid clay bar did exactly what it is suppose to do (took off all the road crud, polution and grime that has built up on it and the paint was very smooth after treatment) with ease. It took me about 25 mins to apply the clay bar treatment, it washed off very easily as well. After I dried the car it took me about 20 mins to apply the polish and to wipe it off. I highly recomend this product for value, quality and ease of use.. I'm very happy with it.

[NCZ13]

yeah but you really didnt remove the bonded containments from your paint. what removes them is the shearing action of the clay on the paint. all that liquid does is scrub the paint, and in theory would marr the paint really badly if it did what it was supposed to do.

while your scrubbing away, your just dragging all your that embedded shit across the paint.

but really all that liquid clay stuff is, is a pre wax cleaner.

[controlo]

yeah but you really didnt remove the bonded containments from your paint. what removes them is the shearing action of the clay on the paint. all that liquid does is scrub the paint, and in theory would marr the paint really badly if it did what it was supposed to do.

while your scrubbing away, your just dragging all your that embedded shit across the paint.

but really all that liquid clay stuff is, is a pre wax cleaner.

+1. i'm not down for liquid clay. that doesn't even make sense, lol.

[Je5ter]

Well it felt pretty damn smooth to me and didnt leave any swrill marks or scratches....

[NCZ13]

your car is white, and most people dont know what to look for when it comes to micro marring and scratches, had your car been black you would have seen it right away in the sunlight.

[controlo]

your car is white, and most people dont know what to look for when it comes to micro marring and scratches, had your car been black you would have seen it right away in the sunlight.

well i wouldn't jump to conclusions. it's not a certainty that you'd damage the paint. it's probably more likely to damage paint than using a real clay bar though.

[Je5ter]

I work for Mercedes-Benz and see cars detailed every day. I know what to look for for damaged paint or poor paint maintenance. This stuff doesn't do it. Like I said, for what this product is it is well worth the money and time saved for a freshly waxed/polished looking vehicle. No it's not going to last weeks or months but at 45 mins a pop it doesn't matter.

[whitey4311]

Well I gave up on the ICE shit. Had a light rain and after a just waxed car and not even 1 wash since I had water spots bad on my rear step just under the hatch. I get them no matter what but this time was much worse.

I went out and got Meguiars Scatch X and their new NXT 2.0. I am much happier and it looks better then it did with the ICE. I have my receipt so I will call TW on Monday and request to send back the unused portions for a money back guarantee.

I did the entire car in Scratch X since my MS3 is black and with talking to Meguiars Tech support they said that would be the best thing to prep the paint and remove the old wax.

I have not had the car out in the sun yet to really get a good look and as a matter of fact only had time to remove half the wax from the car so I need to go finish right not. I will post back what I find but so far I am back to using Meguairs stuff and no longer use the ice.

PS I may just use the ICE on the plastics to avoid the hassle in sending it back. Sounds like a good idea to use that instead of the greasy Mothers Back to Black. This way when a bit of it gets on the paint its not all greasy and smeared.

[Super Unique]

In defense of the liquid clay product, I used it with good results, but not for it's intended purpose :)

A neighbor bought a rough looking work truck, and this stuff was the bomb at cleaning a TON of crap off the old, faded white paint....
Really cleaned the paint well for the small effort involved. MUCH cleaner than regular car wash soap. It was plain NASTY when we started in on it. All kinds of pollen, grime, grease, and road crud all over it.