Mazda 3 Engine Strength [Archive]

Captain KRM P5

03-14-2006, 08:39 PM

There are quite a few running higher than 7psi on stock internals.

we have ran a supercharger on a much better built GM six cylinder at higher levels of boost for a few passes. it held up for a while, but eventually blew. also ran 22 psi on an old chrysler 2.2 with no intercooler and it held together for half a year.

point being, yes i know they are doing so currently, i do not feel that engine longevity is helped at all by doing this. plenty of people have run 15psi on stock mazdaspeeds for a while but still blew their engines far sooner than a built up motor would. i have seen the rods and pistons from these new mazda engines and nothing about them leads me to think they are any stronger, proportionally speaking, than any mazda rod made after 1997. running very high boost on stock engines is a gamble and nearly guaranteed to break something sooner rather than later. i know of two mazda3 owners who have blown a boosted engine and contacted me for parts.

AzMz3

03-14-2006, 10:35 PM

we have ran a supercharger on a much better built GM six cylinder at higher levels of boost for a few passes. it held up for a while, but eventually blew. also ran 22 psi on an old chrysler 2.2 with no intercooler and it held together for half a year.

point being, yes i know they are doing so currently, i do not feel that engine longevity is helped at all by doing this. plenty of people have run 15psi on stock mazdaspeeds for a while but still blew their engines far sooner than a built up motor would. i have seen the rods and pistons from these new mazda engines and nothing about them leads me to think they are any stronger, proportionally speaking, than any mazda rod made after 1997. running very high boost on stock engines is a gamble and nearly guaranteed to break something sooner rather than later. i know of two mazda3 owners who have blown a boosted engine and contacted me for parts.

And so far all that is unrelated and just speculation!

goldwing2000

03-14-2006, 10:38 PM

And so far all that is unrelated and just speculation!

The statement "i know of two mazda3 owners who have blown a boosted engine and contacted me for parts" is "unrelated" and "speculation"? (scratch)

ghettobubba2001

03-14-2006, 10:38 PM

And so far all that is unrelated and just speculation!

and the comment of your post is so ungodly pointless you should go jump off a cliff (hah)

im only kidding.

goldwing2000

03-14-2006, 10:44 PM

and the comment of your post is so ungodly pointless you should go jump off a cliff (hah)

im only kidding.

Easy, there. Kidding or not, we don't need that kind of stuff. It just breeds bad feelings.

tsunami

03-14-2006, 10:54 PM

yeah one of them was in pourto rico... and he said he was well beyond the 12psi that juan told him not to go over... lol, the other blown boosted motor i haven't heard of...only one having non engine issues just a clutch iirc....

9JordonFlex9

03-14-2006, 11:08 PM

since blowing engines is a point now...i feel stock engines...runnin on nothing but naturally inspired engine lasts....

wellwhats his name with the long post bout turbos...have people been able to keep their engines for a few years with daily driving? I would upgrade internals....just because its smart.

03MzdSpdSTP

03-14-2006, 11:09 PM

my civics engine lasted about 10k miles before the piston seals and head gasket went. Those engines are alot stronger then mazdas for sure.

AzMz3

03-14-2006, 11:16 PM

The statement "i know of two mazda3 owners who have blown a boosted engine and contacted me for parts" is "unrelated" and "speculation"? (scratch)

I seen that!

Speculation as there are factors to blowning an engine.

Saying that the 2 that blown were running good tunes is "Speculation"!

You could blown an enigne on 4psi...doesn't mean that is the limit!

And you do know that the 2.0L will be more than 7psi!

(poke)

And the GM stuff is unrelated and has no barring here at all! (hah)

goldwing2000

03-14-2006, 11:38 PM

And the GM stuff is unrelated and has no barring here at all! (hah)

Well, almost anything about forced induction could be considered "related", even as just an example of something to compare to. It never hurts to have knowledge of more than one system.

For instance, this is what happens when you boost 100psi into a Cummins diesel engine:

http://home.comcast.net/~goldwing2000/100psi.JPG

(boom07)

Not a Mazda but definitely food for thought and something to be avoided at all costs!

Notice that it's the block that cracked in half the long way and not the head that let go. (boom06)

Captain KRM P5

03-14-2006, 11:56 PM

I seen that!

Speculation as there are factors to blowning an engine.

Saying that the 2 that blown were running good tunes is "Speculation"!

You could blown an enigne on 4psi...doesn't mean that is the limit!

And you do know that the 2.0L will be more than 7psi!

(poke)

And the GM stuff is unrelated and has no barring here at all! (hah)

your statements here are more speculation than anything anyone else, myself included, has said in this thread. as for the GM stuff having "no barring" thats so far out of tune with reality i don't need to explain why.

And so far all that is unrelated and just speculation!

unless you know more about forced induction than i do, you are dead wrong

yeah one of them was in pourto rico... and he said he was well beyond the 12psi that juan told him not to go over... lol, the other blown boosted motor i haven't heard of...only one having non engine issues just a clutch iirc....

this makes three then that i know of, thank you for proving a point

Az, I see you are running a turbo kit on your mazda3. i have been in this business for some time and been dealing with mazda engines and parts for a good long while. i have seen the guts and glory of the mazda3 engines, both of them. can they handle boost? sure they can, just like any four cylinder engine. can they handle extreme amounts without comparable upgrades to accompany that? no i firmly feel they cannot. they may last six months to a year, perhaps a little more. longevitywise, its not going to happen, sorry. I've been through this argument with protege owners, msp owners and been proven right more times than i need to admit to. I have more than a few engineers and Mazda master techs who will back me up on this for the 3.

of course there are going to be "factory freaks" when it comes to any car. i have an msp customer who used to live in chicago who ran 15psi with zero mods. Nothing but a boost controller, and the car held up fine until it was stolen. I also have a customer who lost his engine on stock boost.

If you want to have a technical debate, I'll be more than happy to go toe to toe with you on that. But to spread the notion to others that this engine can handle higher boost on stock internals is bad information, wrong information and will lead to blown engines.

AzMz3

03-15-2006, 12:16 AM

your statements here are more speculation than anything anyone else, myself included, has said in this thread. as for the GM stuff having "no barring" thats so far out of tune with reality i don't need to explain why.

unless you know more about forced induction than i do, you are dead wrong

this makes three then that i know of, thank you for proving a point

Az, I see you are running a turbo kit on your mazda3. i have been in this business for some time and been dealing with mazda engines and parts for a good long while. i have seen the guts and glory of the mazda3 engines, both of them. can they handle boost? sure they can, just like any four cylinder engine. can they handle extreme amounts without comparable upgrades to accompany that? no i firmly feel they cannot. they may last six months to a year, perhaps a little more. longevitywise, its not going to happen, sorry. I've been through this argument with protege owners, msp owners and been proven right more times than i need to admit to. I have more than a few engineers and Mazda master techs who will back me up on this for the 3.

of course there are going to be "factory freaks" when it comes to any car. i have an msp customer who used to live in chicago who ran 15psi with zero mods. Nothing but a boost controller, and the car held up fine until it was stolen. I also have a customer who lost his engine on stock boost.

If you want to have a technical debate, I'll be more than happy to go toe to toe with you on that. But to spread the notion to others that this engine can handle higher boost on stock internals is bad information, wrong information and will lead to blown engines.

You are doing no different from me. I'm running 10-12psi daily. No problems.
To you 7psi limit is your opinion!
Handling 10psi daily is mine!

What anyone can do with a GM has nothing to do with this post at all.

Doesn't matter how many years you have doing what...there is no science to determine what psi is safe for longevity!

Agree to disagree..as this is a pointless issue! (poke)

But I still find it hard to argue when you don't know the current tune on these cars that blown!

So far on the net there was one that blown and it was a tuning issue!

Captain KRM P5

03-15-2006, 12:25 AM

You are doing no different from me. I'm running 10-12psi daily. No problems.
To you 7psi limit is your opinion!
Handling 10psi daily is mine!

What anyone can do with a GM has nothing to do with this post at all.

Doesn't matter how many years you have doing what...there is no science to determine what psi is safe for longevity!

so incoherent and dangerously incorrect in every sense of the word. how long have you been running 10 to 12 psi? not long enough to change it in your sig at the very least. give it time. increased boost = increased wear. if you are looking for science that is basic enough science right there. if what was done on previous vehicles or what i had done in the past had no bearing, it would make the science of engineering things better from prior acquired knowledge impossible. this is why car companies like GM and dodge put forged internals in thier engines on higher horsepower or boosted applications and why those engines hold up. mazda does not do that and has not done that since the mid 90s thanks to cost savings. count the number of SRT engines that blow at higher boost compared to mazda engine of the same vehicle class. but then i suppose you will tell me that none of the engineering that went into those cars matters because its not a mazda3? just as the other people who are running these cars and have blown them up on less boost than what you are running is speculation. what you call pointless speculation i call proof by virtue of repetition. a year to a year and a half from now, if you are running 12 daily without a problem, please let me know. you may be that factory freak case, and with your methodolgy of modifications i hope for your sake you are.

Kooldino

03-15-2006, 12:50 AM

nope it was a driver defect.

Don't be a dick. We don't need that attitude around here. (poke)

Lord_Zath

03-15-2006, 12:50 AM

Listen to Ken you must. Save your engine it will!

If believe you do not, increase the boost to your engine and brain you must.

Salmon_Rob

03-15-2006, 12:53 AM

one of my cars will hold 400whp on stock internals ;) but yes, as ken so eloquently put it, the longer you run high boost, the greater the chance of parts failure. This is why people have ebc's with multiple settings. you have a daily driving setting, and then a race setting.
*long relevant post*

Kooldino

03-15-2006, 12:53 AM

And so far all that is unrelated and just speculation!

Two blown motors isn't speculation. More power = more wear and stress. Will it be enough stress to kill your motor? Maybe, maybe not, Just recognize that the more power you make on a stock motor, the bigger risk you're taking. It might bite you in the ass, and it might not. Time will tell either way.

AzMz3

03-15-2006, 12:58 AM

so incoherent and dangerously incorrect in every sense of the word. how long have you been running 10 to 12 psi? not long enough to change it in your sig at the very least. give it time. increased boost = increased wear. if you are looking for science that is basic enough science right there. if what was done on previous vehicles or what i had done in the past had no bearing, it would make the science of engineering things better from prior acquired knowledge impossible. this is why car companies like GM and dodge put forged internals in thier engines on higher horsepower or boosted applications and why those engines hold up. mazda does not do that and has not done that since the mid 90s thanks to cost savings. count the number of SRT engines that blow at higher boost compared to mazda engine of the same vehicle class. but then i suppose you will tell me that none of the engineering that went into those cars matters because its not a mazda3? just as the other people who are running these cars and have blown them up on less boost than what you are running is speculation. what you call pointless speculation i call proof by virtue of repetition. a year to a year and a half from now, if you are running 12 daily without a problem, please let me know. you may be that factory freak case, and with your methodolgy of modifications i hope for your sake you are.

I have been running 10-12psi since I got the kit. I don't have dynos for the 10-12psi so if you read the sig it just shows the whp for the boost I dyno'd.

And I find it funny that a few tuners that have alot more experience in the 2.0L & 2.3L Duratec and turbos have said that the 2.3L can handle higher boost than the 7psi limit!

It is always someone in every forum to add limits to something they don't have any real word experience with. And always when the limits are passed it is always a factory freak!

Fact is there is no set safe limit...7psi is your opinion. I'll go by others that I feel have alot more experience with the 2.3L duratec and turbos. And I'll go by what I experience!

Not sure if you just want to be one of those people that can't be wrong or even agree to disagree because it is a matter of opinion....But it is simply that...Opinion!

There is more out there that say 7 - 10psi is safe than there is saying that you need to upgrade internals after 7psi.......

Oh wait you are selling internals....I see the light now! (poke)

To sum it up.

It is my opinion that 7-10psi is safe with all things considered!
You can't determine 7psi is the limit with a single blown engine without knowing if tuning was at fault.
And it is a giving that something will break, it is the chance everyone takes modifing a car.

Lord_Zath

03-15-2006, 01:00 AM

Ken is trying to help you out. If you don't want to take the advice, that's your choice.

Just remember that when your engine blows, Ken is also there to help you out :)

AzMz3

03-15-2006, 01:04 AM

Two blown motors isn't speculation. More power = more wear and stress. Will it be enough stress to kill your motor? Maybe, maybe not, Just recognize that the more power you make on a stock motor, the bigger risk you're taking. It might bite you in the ass, and it might not. Time will tell either way.

But it is specutlation when other factors are not taking into consideration.
As stated I can blown an engine with 4psi, does that make 3psi safe?

And I agree more power does = more stress. I actually agree with most of your post. As time will tell.
But throwing out speculation that 7psi is the limit and then you need upgrades is more speculation than saying you can boost more as many are doin it!

Salmon_Rob

03-15-2006, 01:04 AM

(rofl)
Ken is trying to help you out. If you don't want to take the advice, that's your choice.

Just remember that when your engine blows, Ken is also there to help you out :)

AzMz3

03-15-2006, 01:08 AM

Ken is trying to help you out. If you don't want to take the advice, that's your choice.

Just remember that when your engine blows, Ken is also there to help you out :)

I understand this. But if you read my post then you will see my point.
This is uncharted waters as with ever new model car out there. And you always find someone saying 7psi is it.
Just like MarcyMotorsports stating that rods would let go at 7psi. Well now you have other companies pushing it further than that and saying they don't know why that was stated as they are holdin up find at higher levels.

Captain KRM P5

03-15-2006, 01:12 AM

Oh wait you are selling internals....I see the light now! (poke)

the reality of the weakness of this engine has nothing to do with how many rods i sell. there is no light to be seen there but i knew once you had exhausted all of your other illogical arguments you would bring that up. to sum it up, as you say; i deal with these engines stock and not stock every day. more real world experience than anything you have thrown out here. tuning was not the fault of these engines blowing, it was the increased wear on the engines and the inherent weaknesses of the engines themselves. you speak volumes about the value of your own real world experience of one car but disregard the real world experience of three or more vehicles who have been under similar conditions. you are one of those people who seemingly believes what they want to believe as long as it fits his own situation and conveniently ignores factual evidence, proven history and practical application of hardware when they don't want to believe that it might possibly contradict thier own 'reality'.

i don't really need to reiterate because others in this thread have done so. if you want to believe what you believe, please feel free. but you can't convince me when here you have one car that runs fine, perhaps for a few months at most now - which i might add you conveniently failed to disclose - whereas i can say i now know of three cars whose engines did not handled it and more cars whose engines have fallen apart from other higher horsepower applications. so yes, i agree to disagree with you, but i also will be more than happy to have these kinds of debates with you when you erroneously try to apply your one time personal experience and perhaps long term luck with this car to other people interested in modifying it. the numbers speak against you, the data speaks against you, plain and simple.

Captain KRM P5

03-15-2006, 01:19 AM

Oh wait you are selling internals....I see the light now! (poke)
.

and by the way, don't even attempt to question my credibility or motives when i give intelligent advice. vendor or not, i have been a member here for years longer than you and have enough people who will speak to the fact that my first priority is the well-being of people here, not earning a buck. i run my business to benefit this community first and foremost and i often sell at zero profit or at a loss if it means taking care of a fellow mazda owner. if you are so out of arguments that you need to take a cheap shot like that, then you have obviously picked the wrong facet of me to attack and its an ignorant insult at best lacking in any sense of rational argument.

Aricjm15

03-15-2006, 01:26 AM

I have been running 10-12psi since I got the kit. I don't have dynos for the 10-12psi so if you read the sig it just shows the whp for the boost I dyno'd.

And I find it funny that a few tuners that have alot more experience in the 2.0L & 2.3L Duratec and turbos have said that the 2.3L can handle higher boost than the 7psi limit!

It is always someone in every forum to add limits to something they don't have any real word experience with. And always when the limits are passed it is always a factory freak!

Fact is there is no set safe limit...7psi is your opinion. I'll go by others that I feel have alot more experience with the 2.3L duratec and turbos. And I'll go by what I experience!

Not sure if you just want to be one of those people that can't be wrong or even agree to disagree because it is a matter of opinion....But it is simply that...Opinion!

There is more out there that say 7 - 10psi is safe than there is saying that you need to upgrade internals after 7psi.......

Oh wait you are selling internals....I see the light now! (poke)

To sum it up.

It is my opinion that 7-10psi is safe with all things considered!
You can't determine 7psi is the limit with a single blown engine without knowing if tuning was at fault.
And it is a giving that something will break, it is the chance everyone takes modifing a car.
I think its safe for you to run 20psi. Go try it out a few times I'm sure you will love it.

Captain KRM P5

03-15-2006, 01:27 AM

I think its safe for you to run 20psi. Go try it out a few times I'm sure you will love it.

(hah)

03.5MSP

03-15-2006, 01:28 AM

I understand this. But if you read my post then you will see my point.
This is uncharted waters as with ever new model car out there. And you always find someone saying 7psi is it.
Just like MarcyMotorsports stating that rods would let go at 7psi. Well now you have other companies pushing it further than that and saying they don't know why that was stated as they are holdin up find at higher levels.

The whole point is that you can run your stock engine past 7psi, but for how long. If you have money and dont care how long your engine lasts then go for it, boost away.

AzMz3

03-15-2006, 01:40 AM

and by the way, don't even attempt to question my credibility or motives when i give intelligent advice. vendor or not, i have been a member here for years longer than you and have enough people who will speak to the fact that my first priority is the well-being of people here, not earning a buck. i run my business to benefit this community first and foremost and i often sell at zero profit or at a loss if it means taking care of a fellow mazda owner. if you are so out of arguments that you need to take a cheap shot like that, then you have obviously picked the wrong facet of me to attack and its an ignorant insult at best lacking in any sense of rational argument.

You have to be kidding me...what can't you understand from my post.

My opinion...your opinion. You have no facts to back-up what you think is real!

What are your facts that these engines were from wear? Mileage, did you tune them, hell were you even in the car when it blew.

I can question your creditiblity all I want as you can't grasp that this is all opinion....keep it coming

It doesn't matter what you sell and who you sell it to.
Doesn't matter your post count or how long you have been a member of this forum.

Your statements on the Duratec engine jeapordize your intelligence and creditibilty!

(deadhorse

Captain KRM P5

03-15-2006, 01:50 AM

My opinion...your opinion. You have no facts to back-up what you think is real!

Your statements on the Duratec engine jeapordize your intelligence and creditibilty!

(deadhorse

so let me get this straight..

the other engines blowing is apparantly not fact. my experience turbocharging cars is not fact. my daily work on these vehicles is not fact. the documentation and word of mazda master technicians whose input helped design these engines is not fact. other engines with similar design and decades of forced induction research is not fact. my own disassembly of these motors is not fact. you have a strange definition of the word "fact". apparantly the facts are whatever suit your own case at hand. good for you.

your opinion is based on your own car. my opinion is based on experience and fact from multiple other reputable sources.

you talk about intelligence and yet making a simple sentence or spelling more than one word correctly is a challenge for you. as for understanding a post, you seem to have a problem with that as well - I never said a thing about post count. You are the two dimensional moron who insinuated I was making this argument out of greed. I never claimed that my time here or post count had anything to do with the 2.3 liter engine. I proved my knowledge of that without even bringing that into the equation. You had the idiotic audacity to question my morality and character and thats what my time here was in reference to.

Salmon_Rob

03-15-2006, 01:52 AM

he got you good ken!(rofl)

Captain KRM P5

03-15-2006, 01:55 AM

he got you good ken!(rofl)

lol he sure did!

AzMz3

03-15-2006, 01:58 AM

so let me get this straight..

the other engines blowing is apparantly not fact. my experience turbocharging cars is not fact. my daily work on these vehicles is not fact. the documentation and word of mazda master technicians whose input helped design these engines is not fact. other engines with similar design and decades of forced induction research is not fact. my own disassembly of these motors is not fact. you have a strange definition of the word "fact". apparantly the facts are whatever suit your own case at hand. good for you.

your opinion is based on your own car. my opinion is based on experience and fact from multiple other reputable sources.

you talk about intelligence and yet making a simple sentence or spelling more than one word correctly is a challenge for you. as for understanding a post, you seem to have a problem with that as well - I never said a thing about post count. You are the two dimensional moron who insinuated I was making this argument out of greed. I never claimed that my time here or post count had anything to do with the 2.3 liter engine. I proved my knowledge of that without even bringing that into the equation. You had the idiotic audacity to question my morality and character and thats what my time here was in reference to.

Fact is you can't answer any of the questions that willprove you either wrong or right.
Fact is that you are trying to dress your self to be some great know it all tuner/engine builder/turbo maker

But in my eyes you are avoiding things and making yourself look like a joke that only sells parts!

I think it is funny...what else you got...since you can't answer questions to prove your case or keep this on topic.

(hah)

Captain KRM P5

03-15-2006, 02:05 AM

Fact is you can't answer any of the questions that willprove you either wrong or right.
Fact is that you are trying to dress your self to be some great know it all tuner/engine builder/turbo maker

But in my eyes you are avoiding things and making yourself look like a joke that only sells parts!

I think it is funny...what else you got...since you can't answer questions to prove your case or keep this on topic.

(hah)

funny how no one in here is on your side. and for the record you took it off topic first with a personal jab, so heed your own advice in that respect. i and a few others in this thread have given you plenty of credible evidence which you have chosen to casually disregard, countless times. do i need to repeat myself and continue to show you for the narrow minded ignoramus you are? what and i others have said has already been credibly echoed. if you choose to ignore that, then by all means do so. if the practical measures i and others have already stated mean nothing to you because your own opinion does not allow you to see reality in them, then you really are incapable of furthering the argument or seeing a point in anything but your own "logic". avoiding things? you have no answer to anything i have said in this thread! thats what i call avoidance.

Salmon_Rob

03-15-2006, 02:09 AM

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/search.php?searchid=1918782

start half way to the bottom and keep looking. there are 500 results for the phrase "blew my motor" what does that say? maybe some people know what they are talking about

Captain KRM P5

03-15-2006, 02:14 AM

Poseur

03-15-2006, 02:25 AM

Fact is you can't answer any of the questions that willprove you either wrong or right.
Fact is that you are trying to dress your self to be some great know it all tuner/engine builder/turbo maker

But in my eyes you are avoiding things and making yourself look like a joke that only sells parts!

I think it is funny...what else you got...since you can't answer questions to prove your case or keep this on topic.

(hah)

Are youtruely this ignorant? Honestly jsut take a step back form whatever argument you seem to think ken started with you by simply stating his VERY EDUCATED AND VERY EXPERIENCED opinion.

The fact of the matter is that you're doing it with your car and therfor you think "hey it must be fine, my car isn't going to kaboom, it couldn't it's MY car that only happens to other ppl" Ken wasnot trying to insult you or your "tuning expertise" however he HAS been around this block a couple bizillion times. he's one of the first inline to helpppl get higns sorted out when their engines do blow. Chock full of information, kindess and patience. You insulting him is more or less just insulting this entire community. There are few ppl on here as knowledgeable about and dedicated to mazdas as this man. Realize that while wherever you're from, you having a turbo and however much power might make you a bigshot, this is a MUCH bigger pond you're in here. You're in the right place if you want to learn, but perhaps you should start paying attention. Respect those who know especially as they might save your ass oneday.

Captain KRM P5

03-15-2006, 02:31 AM

Are youtruely this ignorant? Honestly jsut take a step back form whatever argument you seem to think ken started with you by simply stating his VERY EDUCATED AND VERY EXPERIENCED opinion.

The fact of the matter is that you're doing it with your car and therfor you think "hey it must be fine, my car isn't going to kaboom, it couldn't it's MY car that only happens to other ppl" Ken wasnot trying to insult you or your "tuning expertise" however he HAS been around this block a couple bizillion times. he's one of the first inline to helpppl get higns sorted out when their engines do blow. Chock full of information, kindess and patience. You insulting him is more or less just insulting this entire community. There are few ppl on here as knowledgeable about and dedicated to mazdas as this man. Realize that while wherever you're from, you having a turbo and however much power might make you a bigshot, this is a MUCH bigger pond you're in here. You're in the right place if you want to learn, but perhaps you should start paying attention. Respect those who know especially as they might save your ass oneday.

arguing with him is a pointless and futile enterprise when he ignores the credible statements made by more than one person in this thread. theres no need for me to restate the obvious at this point because A) he ignores it and B) he does his argument no credit by providing nothing to back up his opinions. what he does is his business and at this point its a waste of my own or anyone elses energy to care.

Salmon_Rob

03-15-2006, 02:33 AM

You insulting him is more or less just insulting this entire community. There are few ppl on here as knowledgeable about and dedicated to mazdas as this man.exactly. and i think its commendable that no one has called him names yet

Kooldino

03-15-2006, 02:57 AM

goldwing2000

03-15-2006, 09:44 AM

For fuck's sake... I go away for a couple hours and you guys get all crazy on me. (boom07)

exactly. and i think its commendable that no one has called him names yet

Most of the people in the Mazda3 area know I will not put up with that kind of shit. This has been bad enough but if things ever reduce to name-calling, it gets edited or deleted. Period. Nobody needs that bullshit and it adds nothing to the community.

Kooldino, thanks for stepping in. Sometimes I do have to sleep...

Salmon_Rob

03-15-2006, 10:15 AM

i was kidding man

goldwing2000

03-15-2006, 10:38 AM

i was kidding man

It happens often enough. (poke)

Salmon_Rob

03-15-2006, 10:40 AM

ibtl ;)

goldwing2000

03-15-2006, 10:48 AM

ibtl ;)

(scratch) Huh?

Salmon_Rob

03-15-2006, 10:50 AM

it means in before the lock ;)

goldwing2000

03-15-2006, 10:57 AM

Ah. Like Dino said, we're not going to lock it... yet. (no)

AzMz3

03-15-2006, 02:07 PM

Look, everyone cool out. If Az wants to run his motor at 12psi all day long, then good for him.

Az - people here were just cautioning you based on their experience, take it as you wish. You understand what your risks are. Ken has no ulterior motives and is not posting this to sell you some rods. He geninuely means well, as he's been through a stock motor himself. Are these new motors as weak as he says? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe you could prove him right or wrong either way.

Beyond that, we're beating a dead horse here. Az isn't going to stop running 12psi on the stock motor, and Ken isn't going to stop thinking that's risky. But at the end of the day, it's Az's car, and he can do with it what he wishes.

I'll let the thread continue, but the back and forth nonsense will stop right here. We'll pick that part up in a year or so, and see how many guys run 12psi daily on a stock motor. Hopefully it's doable. If not, then you know what to do.

As I stated I see the caution.

But also as I stated many times that has yet to be answered. The one single mazda3 that blew the engine didn't do it because of wear.

I do question his knowledge as he can't answer the questions I asked to prove his theory. He has shown me nothing.

I don't need to do any name calling as his post speak for them selves!

As I also stated it is a dead horse because it is his opinion against mine.

Even though I drive a turbo Mazda3 everyday and he doesn't.

Other people agreeing with you mean very little to nothig as none show anything to back him up.

So for the last time it is speculation that the engines let go because of wear.

And we will see in a year or two what is what...but until then it is just speculation and opinions!

(deadhorse