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msp35
03-10-2006, 04:59 PM
Well this dipshit no ingles arab @ a run down Mobil station filled me up with regular today. After I said, "fill it up with Premium." I walk away to talk with some coworkers, then, I come back to my car to see it full, but noticed the regular pump was on. I brought this to the attention of the manager, who then got his 'mechanic' involved. After a much heated debate with the dumbasses, i just demand a refund and I'm on my way. I guess I'll just drive the next few days with the a/c on and no boost. :(
....if you're going to live in a country that primarily speaks english, LEARN IT!
end of rant.
Captain KRM P5
03-10-2006, 05:13 PM
its retarded to have a law prohibiting you from pumping your own gas
vcinsanity1523
03-10-2006, 05:15 PM
you could always find a safe and reliable octane booster to put into it that would probably work at least to be on the safe side i would still try and stay out of boost though
vinnie mack
03-10-2006, 05:16 PM
octane boost? --- ^woops we posted the same thing at the same time (boom07)
smo0f
03-10-2006, 05:16 PM
yeah because the original settlers of this country spoke english. good arguement. and no one migrated here, everyone just got beamed here like an episode of star trek gone bad
Mazdarulez
03-10-2006, 05:17 PM
AGREED 110%...
Well this dipshit no ingles arab @ a run down Mobil station filled me up with regular today. After I said, "fill it up with Premium." I walk away to talk with some coworkers, then, I come back to my car to see it full, but noticed the regular pump was on. I brought this to the attention of the manager, who then got his 'mechanic' involved. After a much heated debate with the dumbasses, i just demand a refund and I'm on my way. I guess I'll just drive the next few days with the a/c on and no boost. :(
....if you're going to live in a country that primarily speaks english, LEARN IT!
end of rant.
smo0f
03-10-2006, 05:20 PM
you guys should work the gas pumps and work the register at the 7-11s and dunkin donuts, that should solve all your problems.
speedprotegewi
03-10-2006, 05:49 PM
its retarded to have a law prohibiting you from pumping your own gas
(werd) i wouldn't let anybody pump my gas for me because i dont want some dummie (no matter of race) that gets paid $6/hour and doesnt give 2 shits about anybody elses stuff touching my msp.... /rant off
evilmonkeyMSP
03-10-2006, 05:58 PM
Im sorry but if you are in a Customer service orriented position where 95% of who you help will speak English you should know it fluently...I dont care what anyone else thinks. you dont see me working at a call center over at Telemundo do ya? Nope...know why? CUZ I DONT SPEAK SPANISH LOL
yeah because the original settlers of this country spoke english. good arguement. and no one migrated here, everyone just got beamed here like an episode of star trek gone bad
boostisgood
03-10-2006, 05:59 PM
benzete. It is the truth. Allthough we do not have an "ooficial" langauge in the US. IT would be beneficial for someone IN THE SERVICE INDUSTRY to know how to speak and understand english well enough to be in that job.
RallyeRedSi
03-10-2006, 06:07 PM
are you sure he didn't speak english or because he is an immigrant that he must not know, you should always check on them to make sure they put the right one but i don't know i get to pump my own gas (first)
Well this dipshit no ingles arab @ a run down Mobil station filled me up with regular today. After I said, "fill it up with Premium." I walk away to talk with some coworkers, then, I come back to my car to see it full, but noticed the regular pump was on. I brought this to the attention of the manager, who then got his 'mechanic' involved. After a much heated debate with the dumbasses, i just demand a refund and I'm on my way. I guess I'll just drive the next few days with the a/c on and no boost. :(
....if you're going to live in a country that primarily speaks english, LEARN IT!
end of rant.
orng1
03-10-2006, 06:55 PM
What kind of people do the hire, they don't even need to speak the language. 87-89-91-regular, mid, premium is all they really need to know. Never again let them fill it for you. Just stay out of boost and add some booster.
Alejo_NIN
03-10-2006, 08:01 PM
Well this dipshit no ingles arab @ a run down Mobil station filled me up with regular today.
....if you're going to live in a country that primarily speaks english, LEARN IT!
end of rant.
you are stupid....
first of all....arabs don't speak spanish
second...why would you go to a "run down Mobil Station"??
third...you are ignorant...because even americans..as you call them...are immigrants in one way or another...
and forth...technically..you will have to speak the language of the indians in order to say..."if you live in united states, you must learn our language"
msp35
03-10-2006, 08:03 PM
you guys should work the gas pumps and work the register at the 7-11s and dunkin donuts, that should solve all your problems.
I'd love to if it weren't for those that will work shitty jobs for less than substantial wages. Until the gov get's it head out of it's ass, shit jobs will have shit pay, because there is cheap(illegal) labor to fill it. But this thread isn't about all that.
msp35
03-10-2006, 08:08 PM
you are stupid....
first of all....arabs don't speak spanish
second...why would you go to a "run down Mobil Station"??
third...you are ignorant...because even americans..as you call them...are immigrants in one way or another...
and forth...technically..you will have to speak the language of the indians in order to say..."if you live in united states, you must learn our language"
and fuck you. I know they don't speak spanish. I don't know what their word for english is, prolly doesn't exist. By run down i mean after i pull up i see 4 closed pumps, and 2 ailes of products inside. Yes americans WERE immigrants. We've built what is here by one way or another. Why can you stay in your country and do the same, instead of coming here to mooch off our economy.
It's so sad I'm now a minority.....:(
If I were to moved to another country I'd learn that language, not only for communication purposes, but because I'd respect that heritage enough to not expect them to cater to my laziness(not learning english).
ghettobubba2001
03-10-2006, 08:09 PM
you are stupid....
first of all....arabs don't speak spanish
second...why would you go to a "run down Mobil Station"??
third...you are ignorant...because even americans..as you call them...are immigrants in one way or another...
and forth...technically..you will have to speak the language of the indians in order to say..."if you live in united states, you must learn our language"
pwnd - totally agree, im russian and german wanna dance?
ghettobubba2001
03-10-2006, 08:12 PM
and fuck you. I know they don't speak spanish. I don't know what their word for english is, prolly doesn't exist. By run down i mean after i pull up i see 4 closed pumps, and 2 ailes of products inside. Yes americans WERE immigrants. We've built what is here by one way or another. Why can you stay in your country and do the same, instead of coming here to mooch off our economy.
It's so sad I'm now a minority.....:(
If I were to moved to another country I'd learn that language, not only for communication purposes, but because I'd respect that heritage enough to not expect them to cater to my laziness(not learning english).
once again stupid is as stupid does..... why the hell would u go to a gas station like that. I really dont feel sorry for you. You got what you deserved.
RallyeRedSi
03-10-2006, 08:12 PM
I sure it doesn't exist :rolleyes:
and fuck you. I know they don't speak spanish. I don't know what their word for english is, prolly doesn't exist. By run down i mean after i pull up i see 4 closed pumps, and 2 ailes of products inside. Yes americans WERE immigrants. We've built what is here by one way or another. Why can you stay in your country and do the same, instead of coming here to mooch off our economy.
It's so sad I'm now a minority.....:(
If I were to moved to another country I'd learn that language, not only for communication purposes, but because I'd respect that heritage enough to not expect them to cater to my laziness(not learning english).
smo0f
03-10-2006, 08:13 PM
what fucking industry are you talking about. it's a 5 dollar an hour fucking job. i'm glad there's some stupid fuck working the pumps as opposed to someone who could be beneficial for something else. rednecks from the south who live in a trailer and refer to a septic tank as luxury fall in the same class and no one can understand half the shit they say, it's the same thing. don't blame the type of people who work a certain job, it's just how it is, deal with it. it is actually beneficial in so many ways. people complain all the time about unemployment this, unemployment that. they could always pump gas, there's never a lack of demand for that, but would they? no. that's life, stop complaining like an ignorant 5 year old who doesn't know shit. believe it or not, i've been to a gas station more than once, oh no. yeah, and i know that their english is horrible. not only do i unnunciate 'preeeeeeemiuuuuum' i make sure i'm looking while he puts the gas. just fucking deal with it and stop crying
Brian MP5T
03-10-2006, 08:13 PM
Well this dipshit no ingles arab @ a run down Mobil station filled me up with regular today. After I said, "fill it up with Premium." I walk away to talk with some coworkers, then, I come back to my car to see it full, but noticed the regular pump was on. I brought this to the attention of the manager, who then got his 'mechanic' involved. After a much heated debate with the dumbasses, i just demand a refund and I'm on my way. I guess I'll just drive the next few days with the a/c on and no boost. :(
....if you're going to live in a country that primarily speaks english, LEARN IT!
end of rant.
A/C? what do you suppose that will do??
This is the first time I have ever heard of A/C and Detoantion being related.
smo0f
03-10-2006, 08:15 PM
and if you still don't understand why their people leave their country and come here, then you 1) don't know jack shit about other cultures, don't follow the news, are completely ignorant as has been proven many times already 2) have no appreciation for this country that you're in right now
msp35
03-10-2006, 08:16 PM
ac on = used more gas, no?
Alejo_NIN
03-10-2006, 08:19 PM
this guy is so retarted....hehehe is fucking funny...
Hmm..how about moving to a state that doesn't have so many SPICS as New Jersey does...because even JLO lived in NJ at one point or another....and she's a SPIC too...
try ALASKA or MAINE...they shouldn't have many hispanics or SPANISH SPEAKING ARABS like the one you found...that's rare...
Alejo_NIN
03-10-2006, 08:21 PM
and if you still don't understand why their people leave their country and come here, then you 1) don't know jack shit about other cultures, don't follow the news, are completely ignorant as has been proven many times already 2) have no appreciation for this country that you're in right now
OWNED!
Rep Points your way :)
RallyeRedSi
03-10-2006, 08:21 PM
well maybe i could be considered one since im half afghan and half puerto rican but then again afghans speak farsi
ghettobubba2001
03-10-2006, 08:26 PM
if your're going to argue please be smart and kind otherwise people will (hah) at you and make you (notcool) seriously its people like you who do not think before they act, oh and yes driving with your ac on does help alot (thumb)
cmon man seriously its not the guys fault he didnt understand you, You should have noticed oh this guy doesnt speak english let me go help him but no u sat there like this : (boom07) and now your (shocked) that this happened? And no nothing will help you or your car from detonation, just shift @ 2500 rpms and dont floor it in 5th!
msp35
03-10-2006, 10:17 PM
and if you still don't understand why their people leave their country and come here, then you 1) don't know jack shit about other cultures, don't follow the news, are completely ignorant as has been proven many times already 2) have no appreciation for this country that you're in right now
And why should the US be everyone's *safehaven*?
I love this country, but cannot deny the fact that everywhere I go,
I'm 1 white man in a crowd of 100's of arabs and hispanics. Then again this
is an import car forum, so I shouldn't really expect that much backup here.
Oh how can I put an end to this racially biased, one-sided thread?
My mistake on choosing the only gas statin I came across for 30 miles before pushing towards E. I assumed that someone who dealt with people all day in America could understan "fill it up with premium" Guess I gave him too much credit.
DeadGeneration
03-10-2006, 10:28 PM
Learn the primary languages of any country your going to be living in please.
Following news on other countries doesn't mean shit by the way :)
Oh yea, this is a crazy idea but you could carry an empty gas jug in your car and have them fill that up. Than once that's full you could fill up your car with the jug... seems stupid but so is the law that would cause you to do something like that.
Alejo_NIN
03-10-2006, 11:09 PM
And why should the US be everyone's *safehaven*?
I love this country, but cannot deny the fact that everywhere I go,
I'm 1 white man in a crowd of 100's of arabs and hispanics. Then again this
is an import car forum, so I shouldn't really expect that much backup here.
Oh how can I put an end to this racially biased, one-sided thread?
My mistake on choosing the only gas statin I came across for 30 miles before pushing towards E. I assumed that someone who dealt with people all day in America could understan "fill it up with premium" Guess I gave him too much credit.
usted es un stupido, reitero
que pensamientos mas imbeciles.....que lastima que en este pais exista gente como ud.
arrogantes e ignorantes.
por eso este pais no sale adelante, por gente como usted. narciso.
y otra cosa...los blancos son mierda!
van a la playa y se ponen rojos....por el contrario, los hispanos son envidiados por los blanco, que al ir a la playa se doran......
ridiculo
smo0f
03-10-2006, 11:13 PM
who the fuck gives a shit if you're white. you guys moved in like everyone else. get in the back of the fucking line.
And why should the US be everyone's *safehaven*?
I love this country, but cannot deny the fact that everywhere I go,
I'm 1 white man in a crowd of 100's of arabs and hispanics. Then again this
is an import car forum, so I shouldn't really expect that much backup here.
Oh how can I put an end to this racially biased, one-sided thread?
My mistake on choosing the only gas statin I came across for 30 miles before pushing towards E. I assumed that someone who dealt with people all day in America could understan "fill it up with premium" Guess I gave him too much credit.
FSDET
03-10-2006, 11:15 PM
I know someone who used 87 instead of 91 and crashed his car ... be very careful man seriously
evilmonkeyMSP
03-10-2006, 11:16 PM
bwahahahahaahaha best comment evar
I know someone who used 87 instead of 91 and crashed his car ... be very careful man seriously
Brian MP5T
03-11-2006, 08:06 AM
SUck It Out and fill it with 91
ghettobubba2001
03-11-2006, 08:08 PM
god this is amazing please just hold it in till the swelling goes down. (blowjob)
PharmacyMSP
03-12-2006, 12:38 AM
(stopwar)
Chilledboost
03-12-2006, 12:47 AM
im tired of these motherfuckers like that. i have a college english class thats taught by a person from india that can barely speak a word of english.
vinnie mack
03-12-2006, 01:19 AM
^^now that is classic... lol i could so see that happening in my college
im tired of these motherfuckers like that. i have a college english class thats taught by a person from india that can barely speak a word of english.
Thats when you drop the class and register with another teacher.
BOOSTR
03-12-2006, 06:50 AM
Just stay out of boost and you'll be fine.
jeffmsp
03-12-2006, 11:43 AM
Why can you stay in your country and do the same, instead of coming here to mooch off our economy.
pretty sure thats what the indians were sayin back in the day.
dont think the dude at the gas station wants to mooch off your economy. he probobly wants his $6 an hour so he can feed himself/family. Im guessing you were born in the usa?
We've built what is here by one way or another. Why can you stay in your country and do the same, instead of coming here to mooch off our economy
well actually what your forefathers who are all immigrants built a good country, and now your generation that really didnt do anything wants to keep new immigrants out so they can "mooch" off the economy themselves.what have you done to build your countries economy? why do you think you are so good? because you were born here? lol pretty pathetic excuse. so because you were born here, you are better than this guy? he has a job, he is paying taxes, he is buying other US good throughout the day. how is this guy a mooch and your not a mooch, because your white? please explain, how are you not a mooch and this guy is? if anything people that are born in NA are the mooch since they did nothing and reap the benefits. at least this guys trying to work. sorry he didnt get your "premium" master lol
Pretty sad actually. You have nothing to worry about in your life,you even have a nice MSP, yet you would not want a guy whos country is getting blown to shit in your country. you wonder why the rest of the world thinks the US are assholes. tell your gas station buddy to come to canada, we dont treat people like shit for reasons like that.
Alejo_NIN
03-12-2006, 04:59 PM
^^^couldn't agree more ^^^^
lancebav
03-15-2006, 12:27 AM
Can I come to canada? FREE HEALTH CARE!!!!!!!!!! now the little Hockey hosers got something going there!!!! (no pun)
pluto316
03-16-2006, 06:28 PM
im tired of these motherfuckers like that. i have a college english class thats taught by a person from india that can barely speak a word of english.
Uh, they SPEAKING ENGLISH IN INDIA TO BEGIN WITH retard.
Alejo_NIN
03-16-2006, 07:09 PM
Uh, they SPEAKING ENGLISH IN INDIA TO BEGIN WITH retard.
to make your case stronger....
NETGEAR has its customer service facilities in india
pluto316
03-16-2006, 09:05 PM
to make your case stronger....
NETGEAR has its customer service facilities in india
You just lost everything because Netgear fucking sucks.
MrDiggler
03-16-2006, 11:36 PM
This is getting pretty interesting, and I think it's good that this discussion is happening. People's beliefs and opinions, however right or wrong, are not likely capable of change without exposure to other people's beliefs and opinions. The least that can come from all of this is a better understanding of how the other thinks, and why.
That said, I think that it is entirely within my rights to get pissed off when I ask for one thing and get another. Especially when it's something that can cause thousands in damage to my car. If it likely happens because of a language barrier issue from a recent* immigrant, it would be that much more frustrating. However, there's no easy solution for that and our gov't doesn't currently require any of us to be fluent in English. (*Meaning, more recent than my or your family tree. IMHO, we're all immigrants except for Native Americans.)
FWIW, turning on the A/C is not going to make the situation any better. The A/C is only going to put an additional load on the engine, making the engine and turbo work a little bit harder to pull the car.
Netgear is not the only company who has moved customer service to India! There's been a steady migration of IT phone service and support jobs to India for years. I experienced this firsthand for years as an IT professional and it caused some serious problems. Do I hate Indians because of this? No. That would be illogical and ignorant. What I tried to do was deal with manufacturers and programmers who were price-competitive and also made sure that at least their sales, sales engineering and upper level support staff were fluent in English. If I didn't, the language barrier could (and often did) adversely affect my project. I voted with my wallet. There's an idea.
Since we're ranting freely here, I'll tell you what my biggest pet peeve is with our population is lately:
Learn to WRITE our language. Do you have any idea how hard it is to read quickly through the threads on this (or any) forum when there's often little or no punctuation? When every third word is misspelled? When the writer's thoughts have no organization? When there's no clarity in the expression of their ideas? Maybe this isn't as hard for some of you as it is for me, but when I'm reading through my eyes snag on every typo, every misspelled word. Sometimes I have to read through even a short post several times to understand what the writer is trying to say. Nobody's perfect and I expect the occasional error in even my own writing. This goes beyond the occasional error though. Much of what I see posted here is even worth trying to read and respond to. If you aren't willing to take the time to capitalize, insert a few commas and periods, doublecheck your spelling, etc., then why should I take the time to read it? Is your time worth so much more than mine? Our grammar rules are here for a reason...they make English consistent and make it easier for the reader to take in the writer's ideas. It's not just here on the forums, though. It's typically worse here, but I see this in my dealings with other real estate professionals. I don't regard the ones who can't communicate clearly as professionals at all. If your job requires written communication, then learn to communicate clearly if you want to be considered good at your job. Period.
Oh, and I find it pretty damn funny that Alejo_NIN...who clearly states that he is Hispanic and still working on his grammar...is one of the better writers I've seen in this thread! He can even spell "grammar", which is a commonly misspelled word.
You forfeit the right to bash anyone about their English if, in the process, you clearly demonstrate that you haven't mastered it either.
pluto316
03-17-2006, 02:04 AM
If you followed the Computer Science/Engineering world, Indians were moving here in the late 80s and early 90s to soak up all the jobs the undertrained and underschooled American workforce couldn't fill. After a while, it became obvious rather than move a staff to American from India, it's easier just to move the office there.
smo0f
03-17-2006, 02:13 AM
first of all, this has absolutely nothing to do with english. the gas is either numbers, 87, 89, 93, etc, or you say regular, plus, premium/super. it's written on each button. either the idiot who started this thread has a speech impedement or the idiot at the gas station is hard at hearing. there's no need for this to be a racial war. no one gives a fuck, making too big of a deal out of nothing. end of story
This is getting pretty interesting, and I think it's good that this discussion is happening. People's beliefs and opinions, however right or wrong, are not likely capable of change without exposure to other people's beliefs and opinions. The least that can come from all of this is a better understanding of how the other thinks, and why.
That said, I think that it is entirely within my rights to get pissed off when I ask for one thing and get another. Especially when it's something that can cause thousands in damage to my car. If it likely happens because of a language barrier issue from a recent* immigrant, it would be that much more frustrating. However, there's no easy solution for that and our gov't doesn't currently require any of us to be fluent in English. (*Meaning, more recent than my or your family tree. IMHO, we're all immigrants except for Native Americans.)
FWIW, turning on the A/C is not going to make the situation any better. The A/C is only going to put an additional load on the engine, making the engine and turbo work a little bit harder to pull the car.
Netgear is not the only company who has moved customer service to India! There's been a steady migration of IT phone service and support jobs to India for years. I experienced this firsthand for years as an IT professional and it caused some serious problems. Do I hate Indians because of this? No. That would be illogical and ignorant. What I tried to do was deal with manufacturers and programmers who were price-competitive and also made sure that at least their sales, sales engineering and upper level support staff were fluent in English. If I didn't, the language barrier could (and often did) adversely affect my project. I voted with my wallet. There's an idea.
Since we're ranting freely here, I'll tell you what my biggest pet peeve is with our population is lately:
Learn to WRITE our language. Do you have any idea how hard it is to read quickly through the threads on this (or any) forum when there's often little or no punctuation? When every third word is misspelled? When the writer's thoughts have no organization? When there's no clarity in the expression of their ideas? Maybe this isn't as hard for some of you as it is for me, but when I'm reading through my eyes snag on every typo, every misspelled word. Sometimes I have to read through even a short post several times to understand what the writer is trying to say. Nobody's perfect and I expect the occasional error in even my own writing. This goes beyond the occasional error though. Much of what I see posted here is even worth trying to read and respond to. If you aren't willing to take the time to capitalize, insert a few commas and periods, doublecheck your spelling, etc., then why should I take the time to read it? Is your time worth so much more than mine? Our grammar rules are here for a reason...they make English consistent and make it easier for the reader to take in the writer's ideas. It's not just here on the forums, though. It's typically worse here, but I see this in my dealings with other real estate professionals. I don't regard the ones who can't communicate clearly as professionals at all. If your job requires written communication, then learn to communicate clearly if you want to be considered good at your job. Period.
Oh, and I find it pretty damn funny that Alejo_NIN...who clearly states that he is Hispanic and still working on his grammar...is one of the better writers I've seen in this thread! He can even spell "grammar", which is a commonly misspelled word.
You forfeit the right to bash anyone about their English if, in the process, you clearly demonstrate that you haven't mastered it either.
MrDiggler
03-17-2006, 02:16 AM
Yep. Medical as well, but that doesn't export well. Phone support does, but that doesn't mean I like it. My point was that I have my own beefs with the language barrier as well. I sympathize with those who find it frustrating and unnecessary when it happens on American soil. However, that's not enough to justify prejudice when you have the option to take your business elsewhere. When you don't, things start to get a little murkier. :D
MrDiggler
03-17-2006, 02:19 AM
first of all, this has absolutely nothing to do with english. the gas is either numbers, 87, 89, 93, etc, or you say regular, plus, premium/super. it's written on each button. either the idiot who started this thread has a speech impedement or the idiot at the gas station is hard at hearing. there's no need for this to be a racial war. no one gives a fuck, making too big of a deal out of nothing. end of story
From poster in original post: "Well this dipshit no ingles arab @ a run down Mobil station filled me up with regular today"
Apparently he thought it did have something to do with English...and some of us actually do give a fuck about this topic.
smo0f
03-17-2006, 02:25 AM
you know what, a lot of those indians that you see at gas stations, infact own those gas stations. just like the indians at dunkin donuts, and 7-11s. Most of them run that, incase you didn't know. These guys are extremely smart, same for the asians. They come to this country for the oppurtunity and they take it head on. Start early in college, aim for nothing but high grades, get a grad degree, become a doctor/pharmacist/engineer/etc. All the high paying jobs. Why? Because they don't sit around and complain about people like y'all. The American culture is really weak. Parents raise their kids to 'you got a c? but you did your best? aw that's okay'. Asian/indian parents: 'you got a B+? motherfucker....*whips out the belt*'. That's the difference. If you are concerned with these people 'taking over' your own country, it's because of the lack of effort on your behalf. And the old fobs that you were complaining about, their $5/hr jobs here pay a lot more than what they get in these other 3rd world countries. They probably saved up for years for a ticket to come to the US. He's just trying to feed his family.
smo0f
03-17-2006, 02:27 AM
oh and to summarize, Americans are underachievers, by choice.
Puckpimp71
03-17-2006, 02:47 AM
Hey, I was born that way, thank you.
smo0f
03-17-2006, 02:49 AM
hahah :)
MrDiggler
03-17-2006, 02:54 AM
you know what, a lot of those indians that you see at gas stations, infact own those gas stations. just like the indians at dunkin donuts, and 7-11s. Most of them run that, incase you didn't know. These guys are extremely smart, same for the asians. They come to this country for the oppurtunity and they take it head on. Start early in college, aim for nothing but high grades, get a grad degree, become a doctor/pharmacist/engineer/etc. All the high paying jobs. Why? Because they don't sit around and complain about people like y'all. The American culture is really weak. Parents raise their kids to 'you got a c? but you did your best? aw that's okay'. Asian/indian parents: 'you got a B+? motherfucker....*whips out the belt*'. That's the difference. If you are concerned with these people 'taking over' your own country, it's because of the lack of effort on your behalf. And the old fobs that you were complaining about, their $5/hr jobs here pay a lot more than what they get in these other 3rd world countries. They probably saved up for years for a ticket to come to the US. He's just trying to feed his family.
Very well put. We are reaping the results of our laziness. (thumb)
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