Lucky me! Got a forged race motor for the MSP!

[MrDiggler]

Needless to say, I was in the right place at the right time. This was posted briefly in the F/S section, but I don't think most of the members knew this spare race motor was for sale. I tried to keep quiet about it for the last few months until I knew it was mine. For now I do not care to disclose the name of the race team I bought it from until I'm sure it's o.k with them, so I would appreciate it if you don't guess at it or mention any names here in this thread. I'm also not disclosing the price here, so I'll just say that there's about 7 grand invested in it and I paid less than half of that. w00t! No pics yet, because the motor is still located out of state and I won't be able to fetch it for a few weeks. That said, here's the basics on it:

-Stock block line honed and bored .020" over, full 360 degree thrust bearings.
-New stock crank with polished journals.
-Oliver forged rods, Wiseco pistons and rings.
-Unported head (race class prohibited it) with custom Manley valves and springs.
-J-spec intake cams on both intake and exhaust. (!)
-Custom baffled oil pan (larger but not deeper than stock).
-Custom non-hydraulic timing belt tensioner (supposed to cure belt flop)
-Combustion chambers, valve faces and piston tops have a thermal barrier coating. Piston skirts and bearings have a lubricity coating, and the crank and rods have an oil-shedding coating. A lot of the dough in the motor is in all of these coatings.
-Intake manifold has the VTCS removed and the other thingy locked in the short-runner position. It may or may not work for me like that.

And the icing on the cake? They threw in a new GT25 with GT28RS guts in it, along with another manifold and s-pipe. There may be some other goodies that get thrown in as well, but for now this is all I'm sure about. Their other motor like this one made 240 whp at about 10 psi, and I'm sure it would respond well to higher boost. I don't know how how far I'll be willing to push it. I'm not too anxious to destroy the tranny. I'd rather have something that hauls ass for 100k miles or more without tearing anything up.

I'm obviously going to need an EMS solution for it, so the quest is on to make a decision on which route I'll go. I have quite a few EMS questions that I haven't been able to answer by searching the forum, but I may start a thread in this section soon enough to discuss those. I'm not about to even begin this swap until I've read up on some turbo books, including Corky Bell's Maximum Boost, and gotten the engine management issue worked out. I'm one of those "measure twice and cut once" kind of guys. Anyway, I'm really excited and looking forward to being forged and flying. (burnout)

[silverspeed03]

You lucky dog!

[jmv]

holy crap man


thats impressive

[Rawyzf]

lucky man!

[nvmsp]

I hate you.

[Velocifero]

damn, you're lucky and smooth, not that it woulda mattered, i don't have any money to have beaten you to the purchase anyway. congrats and you should look into mega squirt.

[Notorious_V.I.C]

COngrats...

[Matrix]

damn, you're lucky and smooth, not that it woulda mattered, i don't have any money to have beaten you to the purchase anyway. congrats and you should look into mega squirt.

What the heck is "mega squirt?" (boom07)

[MrDiggler]

Thought about making a wise crack, but for once I'm going to just leave this one alone, lol!

Seriously, what the heck is it?

[Rawyzf]

Methanol into the injectors...I think?

[Spooled]

DIY standalone engine management.

[jeffmsp]

megasquirt is an ems. its inexpensive and you put it together yourself. used on many fast cars, lots of stuff for the money, hated on by some people loved by others.

your MSP is gonna be badass. id tune 15psi. A new tranny is inexpensive if you can do the work yourself, and if you are not slaming gears and hitting the track everyweek Id think it would hold up pretty good.

[Spooled]

megasquirt is an ems. its inexpensive and you put it together yourself. used on many fast cars, lots of stuff for the money, hated on by some people loved by others.

your MSP is gonna be badass. id tune 15psi. A new tranny is inexpensive if you can do the work yourself, and if you are not slaming gears and hitting the track everyweek Id think it would hold up pretty good.

I agree on the 15 psi. That turbo should scream at 1 bar. That's right in it's ideal efficiency range.

[jeffmsp]

this was taken from another thread. Its DSM convert (guys who makes the DSMAFC For the MSP):

Haltech is what I prefer...my buddy ran the microtech on his corvette and his supra and it was more of a hassle than the haltech system...actually if you're going to go big I'd strongly strongly suggest running a megasquirt system...these are right around the same price range and well worth the money...Fairly hefty on the tuning and initial setup, but endless tuning possibilities...my partner ran this on his lemans gt3 porsche for awhile with killer results...
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[MrDiggler]

Oh, and I forgot to add that I'm still waiting to find out if I'm getting their custom fuel rail and injector setup. Supposedly it uses some really high-dollar injectors that have been blueprinted and flow matched. If I remember right, these injectors would have to be custom wired into my EMS. I think they're willing to let it go with the motor if I'm going to be able to use it, but I don't know enough about setting up injectors yet to know for sure.

*edit* This was all set up to run with a Haltech. I don't know how much difference it could make, if any though.

[orng1]

mega squirt is an EMS system people have had good success with it, it's in one of the dyno charts in the dyno section. don't know too much else. look into it its another option.

[Spooled]

Oh, and I forgot to add that I'm still waiting to find out if I'm getting their custom fuel rail and injector setup. Supposedly it uses some really high-dollar injectors that have been blueprinted and flow matched. If I remember right, these injectors would have to be custom wired into my EMS. I think they're willing to let it go with the motor if I'm going to be able to use it, but I don't know enough about setting up injectors yet to know for sure.

Make sure you get all the specs on them. Are they peak & hold, what's low rate, etc? If you have that info, they should be simple to wire in.

[Velocifero]

Megasquirt: as it has been stated, it is ems for a great price. its great if you like to do the work yourself and by that i mean tuning. it has great support in the form of the company and its forums here: http://www.msefi.com/ i am going to be getting it soon enough and my friend kcbhiw (on the forums) has it to run in his grassroots turbo miata, he hasnt put it in yet, but he has been working with some other friends to get the hang of it and he says it is pretty easy if you take the time to learn it and the patience to tune it. it isnt a plug and play, but it is full stand alone with nearly endless possibilities.

[Jeph]

I remember seeing that motor for sale, but i already had a built motor. Good luck, and i hope you're flying with the big boys soon!

[ChopstickHero]

nice find! can't wait to see it in action.

if it has worked with haltech successfully. ask the seller about more info on that. he may be able to suggest optimal settings with the haltech.

[MrDiggler]

Great, thanks for the info guys. There's a lot I'm still waiting to find out on the "accessories". They said they had build sheets or documentation on almost everything. No documentation on the turbo because it was done by a Mazda engineer who tweaks stuff on the side for fun. :D I am curious as to how a 25 w/ 28 guts would behave vs. a standard 25. I've heard it spools faster but I don't know anything about the efficiency or maximum range. Is it safe to assume it will flow a little more at the same psi?

[Black_Protege_5]

Yea I remember seeing it also. Just couldn't afford it. Congrats on the motor. I am just trying to save up to do a manual swap.

[MrDiggler]

Yea I remember seeing it also. Just couldn't afford it. Congrats on the motor. I am just trying to save up to do a manual swap.

Nah, keep the auto setup and swap in a Level 10 slushbox. It's supposed to be the only available Protege tranny that's hard to break. If I start breaking trannies I might wind up with an automatic MSP, lol.

[Mutmatt]

??? why would u do that?!?! that would be krazy! anywho congrats and hope u enjoy the engine as you should!

[Tommy1005]

I'm thinking about it, since I sit in traffic everyday and am more geared towards drag racing, an automatic would be a little better fit for my car

[ghettobubba2001]

I'm thinking about it, since I sit in traffic everyday and am more geared towards drag racing, an automatic would be a little better fit for my car

only way you would need an auto tranny is if ur pushing around 450+whp. thats when it becomes a pain. till then its more fun to have a stick with ur msp and since its not really meant for it, id not bother with it. Stick is more fookin fun.

[DiscreetSpeed]

i call BS, post pics.(thumb)

[MrDiggler]

i call BS, post pics.(thumb)

Oh, I will!

And bump for my question about the flow characteristics of this turbo configuration...

[smo0f]

sounds like the turbo is similar to MPI's stage1 turbo setup. Spools a lot faster and sounds insane based on what people who have it are saying. Just look up nvmsp's thread "Running harder.." or one of apocman's threads. I will be getting it myself after breaking in the new motor (manley rods, gas ported cp pistons, mpi stage3 head), and getting the mpi tuner + extra injectors.

[MrDiggler]

sounds like the turbo is similar to MPI's stage1 turbo setup. Spools a lot faster and sounds insane based on what people who have it are saying. Just look up nvmsp's thread "Running harder.." or one of apocman's threads. I will be getting it myself after breaking in the new motor (manley rods, gas ported cp pistons, mpi stage3 head), and getting the mpi tuner + extra injectors.

That's right. I remember now that Nick was doing some setups like this. I'll see what I can find out. Thanks.

[MrDiggler]

Whew. As of a few minutes ago, it's finally in my possession. The seller did a good job of crating it, and the custom oil pan gives it a nice stable base to sit on. FWIW, if you ever need to ship anything heavy, be sure to get a quote from BAX Global. They wanted less than half as much as the highest quote we got. It only cost $275 from NY to TN with residential delivery and liftgate service at both ends, and they were on time and friendly. BTW, the complete engine with alternator, both manifolds and turbo, fully crated, weighed 275 lbs. according to BAX. That's less than what I would have thought considering the cast-iron block.

Pics are attached. Pic 1 shows a corner of the custom oil pan. They also included an alternator with a voltage regulator in case I go full standalone with the EMS...which isn't likely, but nice to have JIC.

Pic 2 shows the custom fuel rail and injectors. Those sure look like the pink J-spec STI injectors to me, but I'm no expert on that. *Edit - Can anyone tell if that's what they are? The intake is also visible. The VTCS is gone and the VICS (?) is locked in the high rpm position. Not 100% sure if this will work for me or not.

Pic 3 just shows where it's going sometime this Summer! You can see the turbo on there. w00t!

Pic 4 is of the pallet dolly I built last night to enable me to roll the engine around the garage. It may need be moved around a few times before it finally goes in.

[Rawyzf]

(first)
Whew. As of a few minutes ago, it's finally in my possession. The seller did a good job of crating it, and the custom oil pan gives it a nice stable base to sit on. FWIW, if you ever need to ship anything heavy, be sure to get a quote from BAX Global. They wanted less than half as much as the highest quote we got. It only cost $275 from NY to TN with residential delivery and liftgate service at both ends, and they were on time and friendly. BTW, the complete engine with alternator, both manifolds and turbo, fully crated, weighed 275 lbs. according to BAX. That's less than what I would have thought considering the cast-iron block.

Pics are attached. Pic 1 shows a corner of the custom oil pan. They also included an alternator with a voltage regulator in case I go full standalone with the EMS...which isn't likely, but nice to have JIC.

Pic 2 shows the custom fuel rail and injectors. Those sure look like the pink STI injectors to me, but I'm no expert on that. The intake is also visible. The VTCS is gone and the VICS (?) is locked in the high rpm position. Not 100% sure if this will work for me or not.

Pic 3 just shows where it's going sometime this Summer! You can see the turbo on there. w00t!

Pic 4 is of the pallet dolly I built last night to enable me to roll the engine around the garage. It may need be moved around a few times before it finally goes in.

[FBI14]

-Stock block line honed and bored .020" over, full 360 degree thrust bearings.
-New stock crank with polished journals.
-Oliver forged rods, Wiseco pistons and rings.
-Unported head (race class prohibited it) with custom Manley valves and springs.
-J-spec intake cams on both intake and exhaust. (!)
-Custom baffled oil pan (larger but not deeper than stock).
-Custom non-hydraulic timing belt tensioner (supposed to cure belt flop)
-Combustion chambers, valve faces and piston tops have a thermal barrier coating. Piston skirts and bearings have a lubricity coating, and the crank and rods have an oil-shedding coating. A lot of the dough in the motor is in all of these coatings.
-Intake manifold has the VTCS removed and the other thingy locked in the short-runner position. It may or may not work for me like that.

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I envy you

[DiscreetSpeed]

you lucky dog you :)

[Jeph]

Awesome!

[RallyeRedSi]

in th words of SNL celebrity jeopardy alex tribeck to sean connery, I Hate you!

[MrDiggler]

in th words of SNL celebrity jeopardy alex tribeck to sean connery, I Hate you!

And in the words of Connery to Trebeck: "The day is mine!"
A friend of mine and I go back and forth all the time using quotes from those episodes. He even registered the domain thepenismighter.com, lol!!!

[RallyeRedSi]

and the shows reached a new low

[jeffmsp]

mint