Rpm

[.mazda.speed.]

I raced an integra yesterday with a GSR motor in it. He was shifting at 9500 RPM. Is there a way to make my car shift a little later and can the engine take it? mabe at like 8000 or 8500 RPM.

[boostisgood]

Nope. Honda engines are built to run out to that RPM. Our engines are not.

now, you COULD build the engine to run to 8k or 8.5k but your gonna need a bulletproof bottom end, port and polished head, 3-4-or 5 angle valve job, custom cams, upgraded valves and springs and retainers. Basically, about 10-12k in engine build.

[.mazda.speed.]

mazda motors are nothing like honda's. I got a winter beater 92 civic and i juss redline it every gear. Those motors are built tough.The new civic si can shift at 8000RPM stock n its not even a sports car. Were stuck with 7200 RPM bs.

[boostisgood]

Well, our engines are boosted. :D Get the mods to make it reliable at high boost levels and they could rev out to 12k rpms for ever and not keep up with ya. :D

[.mazda.speed.]

ye but we gotta spend alot of $$ to get our motors like that. In a civic you can get a turbo for it and it'll smoke a mazda.

[low_psi]

mazda motors are nothing like honda's. I got a winter beater 92 civic and i juss redline it every gear. Those motors are built tough.The new civic si can shift at 8000RPM stock n its not even a sports car. Were stuck with 7200 RPM bs.

the engines aren't designed with the same goal in mind. long vs. short stroke.

[.mazda.speed.]

If you had a msp and you had $15,000 to spend on it and you had a 2000 civic si and you had $20,000 to spend on it, which on can you make faster 1/4 mile?

[JOMO]

The si will be faster in the quarter mile.

A buddy of mine is running mid 11's in his 94 civic coupe. With aem, stock gsr block (different cams only though) 60-1 . But the last time he went to the track he blew his differential. When he dynoed at 297whp he ran a high 12 and went down to a 12 flat in the same night. And that was about 5 months ago. I think he spent more on the roll cage and safty equipment than the block and turbo.

[.mazda.speed.]

Honda's have way more potencial then mazda's. My buddy is pushin 500 whp with a b-16 fully built motor. 24psi.

[JOMO]

I hear you on that one. Theres about 6 people I know with fully built eg's, ek's, coupes, that are all over 450whp. Its funny when I asked them when there going to get dyno'ed and they say " If I dont get over 500whp Im gunna be pissed.

. Theres numerous people I know that come out to the meets about a min from me that are pushing well over 400whp. Its funny when they go up to the guys on bikes and call them out and want to run. And the bike guys are like, "why you got to pick on the 600s". Its just hard to find out what they got when they dont want you to know.

[quatelate]

Honda's have way more potencial then mazda's. My buddy is pushin 500 whp with a b-16 fully built motor. 24psi.
ok go buy a honda guy

[quatelate]

. Theres numerous people I know that come out to the meets about a min from me that are pushing well over 400whp. Its funny when they go up to the guys on bikes and call them out and want to run. And the bike guys are like, "why you got to pick on the 600s". Its just hard to find out what they got when they dont want you to know.

ur asking the wrong people somebody always knows

[JOMO]

Well, about a year ago my plan was to sell my p5 and buy an eg, and build the motor for boost. But I then realized thats too common. I couldn't let go of my p5, and had plans for it since the begining. And now Im there, and happier than ever. You should see some peoples faces when they find out im boosted. The most common thing I hear is, "Are you serious, thats boosted." And Im like yeah, whats so surprizing. Then there like its a wagon. And then tell me that the car looks good and I did a good job with it. All my friends own honda's and always said my car will be slow. But know there dont say that. Except for my buddy with the si. He still eats me for breakfast.

[.mazda.speed.]

JOMO what boost are you running? WHP? 1/4 mile? It will still never get to be as fast as some of these civics. The motors are just built so proper.

[JOMO]

8-8 1/2 psi. 202 whp, and that was on a dynomax, so Its alittle under. Still have to get retuned. Upper rpms Im running lean at about 5200rpm, so theres more power there. Haven't been to the track yet. Iv'e only been boosted for about a month. I want to run it when Im perfectly tuned and have good tires.

I also hate when people rag on honda's. I guess they only know the shitty slow ones.

Dont worry man, our cars look better and have more style.

[.mazda.speed.]

I agree fully on the looks.but if you really think about it msp costs about $30,000. you can just buy a $2000 civic and put a $15,000 motor turbo kit and start putting new diffs, brakes. basically restoring it. you will be able to run 20 psi and be shifting at 10,000rpm esialy.put 8000 get a cf hood and skirts, paintjob, rims tires, lights wing. Then you got urself a fast,alrite looking car.

[JOMO]

true, but alot of people dont have the cash to dump into the car. One of the guys with a white eg around here spent about 800 on the shell, new pearl white paintjob, built motor,lsd,and the turbo came out to about 8g's and hes running low 11's. Alot of them looks nice. But when I look at my car, I just see it has a different look to it. A good look. Its different. Not many people see modded p5s around here. I hear there's a couple of boosted ones in miami, but my cars a head turner around here.

[.mazda.speed.]

oh for sure i got a few p5 in my area with rims ect but none of them got turbo nice job on that. But me personally id rather have a 11 sec car.

[JOMO]

I would like one too, but am in love with my car, and am happy with it.

Its going to take alot of money, I say about 10g's to get in the 11's.

[.mazda.speed.]

to get your p5 in the 11's? What do you think you'll need

[boostisgood]

if you wanted an 11 second car, you bought the wrong one. Now if you wanted to run circles around cars on an AUTO-X or in the twisties, you got the car to beat.

[.mazda.speed.]

well said...well said I agree but a civic can turn lap times pretty quick too. I think buyin a msp and spending alot of money on it is a waste of money and time.

[JOMO]

I feel what your saying, but it seems your really disapointed with the speed. Maybe you should have researched the car more, see its strong points and weak points. Its seems your not happy. I dont know, either keep the speed stock and enjoy it for what it is, or sell it and make an 11 sec car. I would if I could, but dont have thousands to throw into somthing of that extent.

[boostisgood]

sorry ya feel that way. I love my speed, especially when I roll to a show/cruise/race event and see 30 civics that look the same and only my 1 Speed sitting there. :D

[JOMO]

sorry ya feel that way. I love my speed, especially when I roll to a show/cruise/race event and see 30 civics that look the same and only my 1 Speed sitting there. :D


Nice point. Thats what I like about my car. It stands out more.

[low_psi]

Honda's have way more potencial then mazda's

I assume you're comparing a twincam Honda motor to the FS-DE still? There are lots of Mazdas making 500whp+. This thread is so misguided I'm gonna have to just leave...

[JOMO]

bye then, were just saying its easier to get a honda to that hp. I realize that there are mazda's over 500whp, just takes alot more effort. Your right, two completly different motors that respond to mods in different ways.

[boostisgood]

Keep it nice guys. I will lock it, I swear I will. :D

[JOMO]

Yes sir. I was just telling that I realize the difference with honda's and mazdas.

[.mazda.speed.]

I also agree theres nothin better then when you beat a $40,000 car with a protege. I juss think civics have a bad name for some reason. When people se a lowered civic with winter rim/tires they think what a shit box. But it can esialy be pushing 400+whp

[Turtle of Time]

one thing i dislike about civics, is the fact that there's alot of rice out there.

same with preludes and legends...

Regardless Honda has been on the bike business as well as F1 so they have a lot of ground experience with that.

As far as the Speed is regarded, Its slow on the straights yes, but its fun on the backroads.

[03.5MSP]

What is the point of 500+whp on a fwd car? Oh shit now you can burn out in first four gears, and have no traction. Not very usefull, or a good daily driver.

[mspHtown]

ye but we gotta spend alot of $$ to get our motors like that. In a civic you can get a turbo for it and it'll smoke a mazda.


did you just randomly pick the msp and buy it?

[.mazda.speed.]

no acually little do you know. If you acually read the topic its more about how poorly built mazdas motors are and how honda has much more experience in building good motors and they build excelent motors but everyone finds civics junk.

[.mazda.speed.]

Its called slicks and oviously if you have 500+ hp you have road settings and race settings. i dought your gonna wanna run 25psi on the road if your not racing.

What is the point of 500+whp on a fwd car? Oh shit now you can burn out in first four gears, and have no traction. Not very usefull, or a good daily driver.

[evilmonkeyMSP]

so you're just here to start crap?

[.mazda.speed.]

I dont know about you but were just talking. Leave if you dont like the thread.

[evilmonkeyMSP]

just asking asimple question...no need to get an attitude

[.mazda.speed.]

How am i starting crap though?

[evilmonkeyMSP]

you're not, i see that...just been a string of people lately coming on to bash w/ nothing better to do...carry on :D

[mspHtown]

no acually little do you know. If you acually read the topic its more about how poorly built mazdas motors are and how honda has much more experience in building good motors and they build excelent motors but everyone finds civics junk.


actually, i read the topic and it was about how you wanted to rev your motor out to 8k because you raced an integra that out-revved you...

it is known that the fs-de has weak rods and cannot support a great deal of horsepower with stock internals. the msp is an all around car with amazing handling and decent power(nothing amazing). what's confusing me is that if you feel so strongly against mazda and their "poor" motors then why did you buy one?!


on a lighter note... my friend has '99 integra gsr with a few mods and i am also jealous of his ability to shift at 8500.

[Spooled]

Three little letters. M.P.S.

Mean piston speed owns the FS-DE. We have long strokes and short rods. That means that the piston has to accelerate faster for each stroke and the rod ratio of the FS-DE is terrible for high-RPM balance.

For high-RPM you want long, strong rods, light pistons, a bigger bore/smaller stroke, strong/light valve springs and retainers, and a head that has the right dynamics to support that kind of airflow efficiently. Basically you want a Honda.

[Spooled]

on a lighter note... my friend has '99 integra gsr with a few mods and i am also jealous of his ability to shift at 8500.

I'm with you. My buddy has an RSX that revs to 8500 and the power keeps coming even at that speed. He could throw some S2000 springs and retainers in with Type-R cams and rev it to 9000+ rpm without blinking. That engine is so smooth it's sick.

[.mazda.speed.]

Im not against mazda, I just wanted to know if our motors can take that kind of rpm and if not what we would have to replace.

[Spooled]

Im not against mazda, I just wanted to know if our motors can take that kind of rpm and if not what we would have to replace.

Basically you'd have to replace the crank, rods + pistons, and entire valvetrain. Even with that, I haven't heard of any FS-DE pushing close to 9000 rpm. I don't follow N/A engine builds on Mazdas, though.

[Alejo_NIN]

I understand our cars (msp's) have not so good engines....that they can't rev high....that they can't boost more than 12 psi on stock....that this...that that....

but!

i would buy my car all over again if i had to...coz really...there isn't any other car as UNIQUE and BEAUTIFUL as the msp...well..there's the evo...but it is three times what a msp is....

my .2 c worth