Official MAZDASPEED3 Specs: 247hp/280tq!!!

[Antoine]

The Mazda3 MPS (Euro version of the MS3) specs have officially been released!

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Antoine/Mazda3MPSFront.jpg (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123627269)
* Click on the pic for more info!

The Mazda3 MPS is outfitted with Mazda’s 2.3-litre DISI Turbo petrol engine
in a front engine, front-wheel drive (FWD) layout that produces more than
184 kW/250 PS at 5,500 rpm and maximum torque of 380 Nm at 3,000 rpm.

+

Six-Speed Manual Transmission and FWD


These are the converted euro specs for us "Americans". Thanks to Rogue Pro5.

power: ~184kW (250ps) @ 5500rpm (EEC net)
power: ~247hp @ 5500rpm
torque: 380Nm @ 3000rpm (EEC net)
torque: 280 ft/lb @ 3000rpm
fuel requirement: 98RON (93[R+M]/2)
fuel requirement: premium unleaded
fuel consumption: 9.7l/100km (ECE)
fuel consuption: ~24mpg
emissions compliancy: EuroIV
0-100km/h: 6.1s
0-62mph: 6.1s
50-100km/h (in 3rd gear): 4.2s
31-62mph (in 3rd gear): 4.2s
80-120km/h (in 5th gear): 5.4s
50-75mph (in 5th gear) 5.4s
spring rates:
(front): 33N/mm
(front): 188lb/in
(rear): 30N/mm
(rear): 171lb/in
stabilizer sizes:
(front): 26mm
(front): 1.02 in.
(rear): 25mm
(reaf): .98 in.


Chassis rigidity has been upgraded, and suspension has been upgraded to have 60% increase in body roll stiffness.... flared front fenders are used (20mm wider than non-MPS models)... speedometer range has been increased to 174mph (versus 143mph on non-MPS models) but vehicle speed is ECU limited to 155mph... front disc brake size has been increased to 12.6 in. (11.8 in. for non-MPS "sport" model, 10.9 in. for others)





Look to MZSPD3.com (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=142) for the latest MS3 specs, info and discussion!




(drive)

[DeanSweet]

that's 246 horsepower and 280lbs of torque?!?
Same motor as the Speed6?
That sounds like fun to drive! Wish my Pr5 had that.

[Antoine]

that's 246 horsepower and 280lbs of torque?!?
Same motor as the Speed6?
That sounds like fun to drive! Wish my Pr5 had that.

Same motor (Mazda’s 2.3-litre DISI Turbo) but detuned...

280lbs of TORQUE!?! Is that right?!?

WOW...The MS3 is going to be a BEAST (drive)

[seanmcsean]

where do I sign? can I put a deposit on that at the NY auto show?

[1sty]

what is the MS6 throwing down over there?

[LASERBLUE135]

HOLY MYGODDAMNNESS!!!! THAT'S INCREDIBLE!!!250/280 stock!!! this thing is going to be a BEAST! I'm impressed, Mazda officially has the biggest balls (boom07) in the auto industry at the moment for sure!!!

[Antoine]

HOLY MYGODDAMNNESS!!!! THAT'S INCREDIBLE!!!250/280 stock!!! this thing is going to be a BEAST! I'm impressed, Mazda officially has the biggest balls (boom07) in the auto industry at the moment for sure!!!

...and unlike the SRT-4 it will handle worth a damn!

[Mounty]

HOLY MYGODDAMNNESS!!!! THAT'S INCREDIBLE!!!250/280 stock!!! this thing is going to be a BEAST! I'm impressed, Mazda officially has the biggest balls (boom07) in the auto industry at the moment for sure!!!

THAT"S what I call a "Hot-hatch!!"

[orphman]

I hate hatch's.... but i think this may grow on me.. why didnt they dump thi s motor into the MPS?!?! looking forward to the M3S

[Iggy]

daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn

[altspace]

Ohhhh my!

[orphman]

Ohhhh my!

IN YOUR AVATAR ITS SAYS YOUR FORM " DOGGING POT HOLES" YOU MUST BE FROM pENNSYLVANIA!?!!?

[altspace]

Haha...same region. MA.

[Crazee D]

guess again...

[BradC]

where do I sign? can I put a deposit on that at the NY auto show?
I know where you park!

[Iggy]

where do I sign? can I put a deposit on that at the NY auto show?

we're gonna be spending alot of time at the mazda booth arent we

[Crazee D]

Ok, I want those numbers in my P5!
Link to FS to MZR swap thread? ....Bueller?

[Striker187]

so can we swap the engine into a protege? those are some impressive numbers. i wish mazdaspeed designed the msp......stupid callaway.......

[Sarspanky123]

i found my next car (thumb)

[Larone]

so can we swap the engine into a protege? those are some impressive numbers. i wish mazdaspeed designed the msp......stupid callaway.......

Isn't it the case that callaway actually planned on making the MSP better (forged internals stock, GT28RS, More aggressive front fascia) before Mazda pulled the plug to keep costs down? I may be totally off here.

[Striker187]

Isn't it the case that callaway actually planned on making the MSP better (forged internals stock, GT28RS, More aggressive front fascia) before Mazda pulled the plug to keep costs down? I may be totally off here.

huh, wasn't aware of that. i heard that their prototype was boosting 9psi and mazda turned it down to 6 but forged internals? wow. anyways, it's interesting to see the kind of cars mazdaspeed has developed since the msp. i love my msp but somehow, i kinda feel like we got the short end of the stick. oh well, thread jack over :) ms3 looks like it's gonna be a sweet car!

[dmitrik4]

but the MSP was only intended as a stopgap, one-year offering at the end of the protege's life cycle. i woudn't be surprised if keeping costs down was the #1 concern...plus, parent Ford's SVT focus was only making 170, so it wouldn't suprise me if the MSP was mandated to stay at or below that level.

[TampaSport20]

Same motor (Mazda’s 2.3-litre DISI Turbo) but detuned...

280lbs of TORQUE!?! Is that right?!?



and available at like 2500 RPM's....bye-bye turbo lag (hi)

[Matrix]

184 kW/250 PS at 5,500 rpm and maximum torque of 380 Nm at 3,000 rpm.
Hey, could somebody please explain this terminology to me and exactly what the formulas are to convert this to horsepower and ft/lb of torque? Thanks.

[blizzard]

[/center]
Hey, could somebody please explain this terminology to me and exactly what the formulas are to convert this to horsepower and ft/lb of torque? Thanks.

Hey, one pound foot of torque is equal to 1.3558 Newton Meters (note that it is pound feet of torque, not the commonly mis-quoted foot per pound which is not a unit of anything ;) !!!).

One PS (pferdestarke) = 0.9863201 HP

So 380 Nm = 280.27 lbf•ft
and 250 PS = 246.58 HP

Hope that helps!!

[altspace]

It all = F'n fast!

[InFlames]

Am I the only one that thinks the US is gonna get the ass end of the stick? I hope the specs stay the same...

[Robot Romeo]

280 lbs of tq going throught the front wheels sounds scary. (boom07)

[InFlames]

Sounds like fun (drive2)

[ChopstickHero]

280 lbs of tq going throught the front wheels sounds scary. (boom07)

at least there's an LSD

but yeah, whoever gets these cars will need to learn how to drive a car with that much power to the front wheels. i foresee alot of newbs buying this car, thinking that they can drive it properly!

[nvmsp]

I want one. Well the motor anyway.

[BlkZoomZoom]

I'm still being told its going to be an automatic only.

[tekkie]

I'm still being told its going to be an automatic only.
if they do that this thing is going to suck monkey balls

[nvmsp]

I'm still being told its going to be an automatic only.


Wtf

[bazooka joe]

I'm still being told its going to be an automatic only.

i like auto's!!

[nvmsp]

It will be a hell of alot easier to get good quarter mile times.

[BlkZoomZoom]

If its anything like the new Vw tranny I would be okay with it.

[icespeed]

are your rumors that it's a variable auto? or a 6spd auto?

[BlkZoomZoom]

6spd auto. Hoping its like the new direct shift auto vw just came out with.

[nvmsp]

If it's automatic, is this like the only automatic turbo car ever or recently?

I don't think I've seen a production car thats turboed and auto.

[icespeed]

the 96 eclipse came out with a very limited run of auto's I got to drive the only one in florida when I worked there.:)


and the 03 volvo s40
and audi a4
and, and... I can't think of anymore

[nvmsp]

So does.... let's say, VW.... does the 1.8t come in auto too or anything newer like from the year 2000 and up?

I just wanna know for information, I never hear about any automatic turbo cars.

[TampaSport20]

I don't think I've seen a production car thats turboed and auto.

88-92 mx-6 gt and probe gt's you could get auto

[icespeed]

So does.... let's say, VW.... does the 1.8t come in auto too or anything newer like from the year 2000 and up?

I just wanna know for information, I never hear about any automatic turbo cars.

I know the higher end cars do. As far as "econo" cars, I don't know, I've edited that post with more cars that I can think of.

[ChiMSP]

Wow

[BlkZoomZoom]

Any Vw you can get a turbo with an Auto. The new GTI and maybe the GLI has the new DSG transmission.

[nvmsp]

Nice info. Yea, I can understand the Audi type cars, my uncle has one in auto. but I was only thinking "econo" type cars like the eclipse,Gti etc.

[ChopstickHero]

are your rumors that it's a variable auto? or a 6spd auto?

Read the press release: http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123627269

Six-Speed Manual Transmission
The new Mazda3 MPS employs the six-speed manual transmission introduced with the Mazda6 MPS that provides the driver with the pleasure of having full control over the vehicle’s high power, while contributing to a quiet ride and better fuel economy. A compact three-shaft design made it possible to keep the over¬all length the same as for the five-speed manual transmission used in the base model. In addi¬tion, Mazda3 MPS’s six-speed transmission uses wide gear ratios to fully exploit the wide
torque band of the direct-injection turbo¬charged engine. The transmission’s high-ratio sixth gear contributes to a quieter ride and improves fuel economy during high-speed cruising. Triple-cone synchronizers for first through third gears and a double-cone synchronizer for fourth gear assure ample sync capacity to enable a short, clean-action shift stroke and comfortable shift feel.

[nvmsp]

(glare) motor swap on the future, I can see it now.

[nvmsp]

(glare) motor swap on the future, I can see it now.


*in

[BlkZoomZoom]

I hope they are right.

[1sty]

but the MSP was only intended as a stopgap, one-year offering at the end of the protege's life cycle. i woudn't be surprised if keeping costs down was the #1 concern...plus, parent Ford's SVT focus was only making 170, so it wouldn't suprise me if the MSP was mandated to stay at or below that level.

I have to disagree. The MSP's power level was chosen for 2 reasons. 1, the 2.0L in the protege was originaly designed for less then 100 hp and it simply can be expected for product car reliability levels if pushed beyond 170 hp. 2, the car would start to suffer from torque steer and other transmission issues if pushed further.

[aceP5]

will the mazdaspeed 3 be AWD or FWD?

If FWD I would be dissapointed, to build a truly potential car you really need AWD, anyone can tell you that after riding in a 500 hp srt 4 that just spins its tires through gears 1, 2, and 3...

[tekkie]

fwd :( and auto :(

[GrandBelialKey]

love the engine... dont really care for the hatch, but smoking a few wrx and srt's will prob change that... I may have to start putting money away for a spicy orange paint job on a ms3 :)

[jaman]

Are people even reading the link in the first post?

1. FWD
2. Six-speed Manual
3. Only hatch

By the way, the freshened up Mazda3's (2007s) will have a 6-speed manual option, at least in Europe and Asia.

[icespeed]

Are people even reading the link in the first post?

1. FWD
2. Six-speed Manual
3. Only hatch

By the way, the freshened up Mazda3's (2007s) will have a 6-speed manual option, at least in Europe and Asia.

did you see how long that post is????? I got into the second line and it was all Metric Standard. I'll wait for the American Translation and then read the first two lines again... lol

Until then, I can speculate.... muwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha :)

[ChopstickHero]

Read the press release: http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123627269

Six-Speed Manual Transmission
The new Mazda3 MPS employs the six-speed manual transmission introduced with the Mazda6 MPS that provides the driver with the pleasure of having full control over the vehicle’s high power, while contributing to a quiet ride and better fuel economy. A compact three-shaft design made it possible to keep the over¬all length the same as for the five-speed manual transmission used in the base model. In addi¬tion, Mazda3 MPS’s six-speed transmission uses wide gear ratios to fully exploit the wide torque band of the direct-injection turbo¬charged engine. The transmission’s high-ratio sixth gear contributes to a quieter ride and improves fuel economy during high-speed cruising. Triple-cone synchronizers for first through third gears and a double-cone synchronizer for fourth gear assure ample sync capacity to enable a short, clean-action shift stroke and comfortable shift feel.

[icespeed]

linky no worky

..and read #57 I don't want to read the whole release!!!!!!!!! cliff notes PLEASE!!!!

btw, these two posts were meant to be taken "lightly", humorously, if you will. I'm sorry it didn't come across that way... I won't do it again :(

[Antoine]

Chill out guys...Just read the facts...Now let's get back to discussing how bad ass this car is going to be!

[aceP5]

too bad its fwd... I really think this car could pose a legitimate competition to WRXes and STis and EVOs IF it was AWD... the car will be awesome in stock form, but all that understeer which will become more apparent with more power will suck. I think if mazda was really serious about putting out a performance car then they would have done AWD... all the rally inspired cars do very well, as they should.... you can add tons of power and still have a car that handles beautifully. I hope mazda reconsiders the AWD platform for a small car like the 3, because that would really put mazda on the map with subaru and mitsubishi.

I really like mazdas, but I can tell you that anyone who went from mazda to subaru (like me) will never go back to mazda unless they put out an AWD car that has a chance of doing better than a subaru or mitsu.

I AM happy, though, that it is only a hatch... that is awesome, i love hatches/wagons...

[J dragon]

AM I the only one that Detests this car because it's a Hatch?.....Sorry can't get over it(ugh)

[BradC]

Nice info. Yea, I can understand the Audi type cars, my uncle has one in auto. but I was only thinking "econo" type cars like the eclipse,Gti etc.
Some of the turbo Dodges from the '80s were slushboxes, the turbo Caravan, first and second gen DSMs, supras, RX7s, etc, etc....

[seanmcsean]

AM I the only one that Detests this car because it's a Hatch?.....Sorry can't get over it(ugh)

great.. more for me! (thumb)

[nvmsp]

If that's how much power its making, who really cares if it's auto?


This car will be fast, and who doesnt like torque steer? :)

[bazooka joe]

I have to disagree. The MSP's power level was chosen for 2 reasons. 1, the 2.0L in the protege was originaly designed for less then 100 hp and it simply can be expected for product car reliability levels if pushed beyond 170 hp. 2, the car would start to suffer from torque steer and other transmission issues if pushed further.

craig, did you ever dyno the mp3?

[dmitrik4]

I have to disagree. The MSP's power level was chosen for 2 reasons. 1, the 2.0L in the protege was originaly designed for less then 100 hp and it simply can be expected for product car reliability levels if pushed beyond 170 hp. 2, the car would start to suffer from torque steer and other transmission issues if pushed further.

i guess we can speculate all we want; in the end it doesn't matter. i'm not employed by mazda in a product decisionmaking position, so all i can do is guess.

[dmitrik4]

BTW, the WRX comes in auto as well. so does the legacy. turbo + auto isn't that uncommon.


AM I the only one that Detests this car because it's a Hatch?

i think so. like sean said, more for me. it's not like sedans are super-sporty anyway.

[jmv]

too bad its fwd... I really think this car could pose a legitimate competition to WRXes and STis and EVOs IF it was AWD... the car will be awesome in stock form, but all that understeer which will become more apparent with more power will suck.



considering that mazda can make the best handling FWD car on the planet in stock form, i'm sure they can do quite well with this one too. I would think so anyway. Yeah, it'll prolly have some good torque steer... although in their statement they talked about certain measures taken to try to cut down on that. But i can't imagine mazda following the MSP with something that has 'all that understeer'.

[Phoenix5]

Not bad!!Not bad at all!!(thumb) But I don't see myself getting one bc I'm over hatches.My P5 will be the last hatch I own.

BTW,247 hp+280 lbs of tq->FWD???That has torque steer written all over it....(lol2)

[shane02pro5]

Very impressive indeed, but I'm wondering what price tag they will put to it with that kind of power. By the way those numbers are probably crank numbers so to the wheels will be significantly lower. I would guess the US version to be tuned down slightly to around 200 to the wheels. Just my guess.

[icespeed]

If that's how much power its making, who really cares if it's auto?


This car will be fast, and who doesnt like torque steer? :)


the best part is.... is that we already know that this engine can go stronger!!!!!!!! who cares if it's ONLY 246hp? I already know I can get 274hp out of it!!!!!

I don't even have to worry about changing the internals, unlike my current msp that begs the question every time I get in it; "are you going to blow up on me today?"

I'm assuming that it's TMIC? which means we can go even stronger than the MS6's 274hp (fmic). Woohoo!!!!!!

[Matrix]

the best part is.... is that we already know that this engine can go stronger!!!!!!!! who cares if it's ONLY 246hp? I already know I can get 274hp out of it!!!!!

I don't even have to worry about changing the internals, unlike my current msp that begs the question every time I get in it; "are you going to blow up on me today?"

I'm assuming that it's TMIC? which means we can go even stronger than the MS6's 274hp (fmic). Woohoo!!!!!!


The MS6 runs at a little over 15psi, but Mazda engineers have confirmed that the engine can run on 19psi for extended periods with no problems whatsoever. My understanding is that the exhaust is way too small on the MS6, and that opening it up would yield the biggest gains. Some magazine said the stock exhaust on the MS6 was "like a linebacker trying to breathe through a straw."

Now, if Mazda were to offer 0% financing on the MS3 (like I got on my MSP), I might be willing to trade in for it. My first mods would be: Exhaust, intake, FMIC, and boost controller.

I'm just talking, though - I probably wouldn't trade in my MSP in the end. (first)

[TampaSport20]

too bad its fwd... I really think this car could pose a legitimate competition to WRXes and STis and EVOs IF it was AWD..

this car will KILL a WRX..as far as STI's and EVO's, consider the price paid....the Mazdaspeed 6 is in the same range as EVO's and STI's so this car will be considerably cheaper.....

[dmitrik4]

if saab can engineer their way around torque steer w/ their new 250/258 turbo V6, i think mazda can figure it out. let's all just settle down w/ cries of doom before any of us has driven the car.

[altspace]

Agreed. Not to mention this is still Euro spec, correct?

[jeffmsp]

think it will get the euro rack like the mp3?

[jeffmsp]

ya know what i was the biggest ms3 hater and now that im thinking about it the cost of a bigger clutch and built motor + my trade in = a MS3.Plus I would get it for a good deal through my work and maybe ill wait til there is $2000 trading dollars again + my nice loyalty and grad discounts. a strong 6 speed and bigger motor to start off with sounds pretty nice even if it is FWD. what can the stock MS6 motor take? Well Over 300WHP Id imagine.

[nvmsp]

I have a feeling that these motors are nothing like ours. Meaning they were intended to make and hold alot of power, w/o shooting a rod out.


I bet 300+ hp in the ms6 or ms3 will be more than ok for a daily driver and drag car.

Of course clutch/LSD always depends on how much abuse is being delt and the driver.

[ChopstickHero]

hmmmm.. didn't say what colours it's going to be released in. i assume, the red, black, titanium, silver, black cherry mica, and white that mazdaspeed6 is in.... ?

[Antoine]

Very interesting comments guys...Seems like some of you are seriously considering dropping your boosted MSP/MP3 for the MS3 platform...I'm not surprised...From what we know so far...It's a damn good package!

[jmv]

hmmmm.. didn't say what colours it's going to be released in. i assume, the red, black, titanium, silver, black cherry mica, and white that mazdaspeed6 is in.... ?


i hope they offer some sort of badass paint, like spicy orange mica, or lava orange mica, or some cool shit like that.

[Rogue]

does anyone know when US-spec are to be released, including pricing?

[Antoine]

Check it out guys: MAZDASPEED3 pics on MazdaUSA.com!!! (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123627486)

[spike blue]

they told me that is going to be around the 25 to 26k for the ms3 and it will in sale in augost

[aceP5]

this car will KILL a WRX..as far as STI's and EVO's, consider the price paid....the Mazdaspeed 6 is in the same range as EVO's and STI's so this car will be considerably cheaper.....

Yeah, i will give you that... it should beat a wrx, stock for stock. at least, it should beat my 02 wrx... definitely from a roll, maybe not from a stop. As for th 06 WRX, they've got some balls...(excuse the expression). I bet one of those stock for stock would be very close with the mazdaspeed 3.

I was referring more to the aftermarket... in a front wheel drive car, if you add much more power, you will just spin your tires and have way too much torque steer... I know from the experience of riding in my friend's SRT4, which was pushing out about 450 wheel horsepower... thing couldnt go in a straight line even. With slicks at the track (running around 500 hp) he could only pull a 13.2 because he spun through all of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gear... rendering his car pretty much useless for any other type of racing (road coursing, autox, etx). All that power just kills your handling...

I think the stock MS3 will be sweet. dont get me wrong, I will go in and test drive it and consider trading in the WRX (although by that time i should have a full autox setup on the rex, and I wont want to lose that). But i will definitely drive it, as I really like mazdas still.

As for the aftermarket, we will see. I noticed that before I got my WRX, a lot of people bashed on them saying that "why would anyone spend that much for that car when you can boost a MP5 for less?" I thought that way too... but once I got the WRX noticed that you really get what you pay for. in the case of 2006 WRXs, the aftermarket is IMPRESSIVE... it will be hard for any modded MS3 to keep up with a modded 06+ WRX... they are torque-ey as hell and have almost no lag... the aftermarket power wise is awesome... you can get a simple ECU reflash ($600) and bolt on a turboback exaust ($800 or so) with a total install time of 4 hours or so and you will have a WRX pushing out 280 hp and 335 ft-lbs... that is +50 hp over stock and +100 ft. lbs over stock... it will be hard for any other car companies to compete with that.

that much power and torque with AWD is no problem... if you run that much with FWD you will start to see your handling going out the door. I autox a lot now, so handling is really the #1 priority i look for in a car. The p5 was great, but i never got the chance to autox it... i didnt like the 3 when i drove one, but we will see how the ms3 does...

[TampaSport20]

Yeah, i will give you that... it should beat a wrx, stock for stock. at least, it should beat my 02 wrx... definitely from a roll, maybe not from a stop. As for th 06 WRX, they've got some balls...(excuse the expression). I bet one of those stock for stock would be very close with the mazdaspeed 3.

I was referring more to the aftermarket... in a front wheel drive car, if you add much more power, you will just spin your tires and have way too much torque steer... I know from the experience of riding in my friend's SRT4, which was pushing out about 450 wheel horsepower... thing couldnt go in a straight line even. With slicks at the track (running around 500 hp) he could only pull a 13.2 because he spun through all of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gear... rendering his car pretty much useless for any other type of racing (road coursing, autox, etx). All that power just kills your handling...

I think the stock MS3 will be sweet. dont get me wrong, I will go in and test drive it and consider trading in the WRX (although by that time i should have a full autox setup on the rex, and I wont want to lose that). But i will definitely drive it, as I really like mazdas still.

As for the aftermarket, we will see. I noticed that before I got my WRX, a lot of people bashed on them saying that "why would anyone spend that much for that car when you can boost a MP5 for less?" I thought that way too... but once I got the WRX noticed that you really get what you pay for. in the case of 2006 WRXs, the aftermarket is IMPRESSIVE... it will be hard for any modded MS3 to keep up with a modded 06+ WRX... they are torque-ey as hell and have almost no lag... the aftermarket power wise is awesome... you can get a simple ECU reflash ($600) and bolt on a turboback exaust ($800 or so) with a total install time of 4 hours or so and you will have a WRX pushing out 280 hp and 335 ft-lbs... that is +50 hp over stock and +100 ft. lbs over stock... it will be hard for any other car companies to compete with that.

that much power and torque with AWD is no problem... if you run that much with FWD you will start to see your handling going out the door. I autox a lot now, so handling is really the #1 priority i look for in a car. The p5 was great, but i never got the chance to autox it... i didnt like the 3 when i drove one, but we will see how the ms3 does...

....don't think that mazdaspeed just dropped the 2.3L DISI turbo in it and that's it....expect most likely an LSD, thicker axles, stiffer springs,swaybars,bigger footprint, etc...granted it wont be an STi ...but it won't come with an STi price tag either

[aceP5]

yeah, i know that it will be better than the 3, i wasnt trying to imply anything otherwise. dont get me wrong, it will be a great car, its just that if mazda wanted to make it better they would make it all wheel drive - then it would stack up to EVO/STI/WRX types. right now, if i were to buy a FWD sporty car, I would probably go with the MS3... i just wish they made it AWD like the MS6...

did someone say that the ms3 is supposed to be auto tranny only?

[Rogue]

no, it will be offered in manual only

[spike blue]

http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/news,view.spy?artid=32772&pg=1
here more info

[vcinsanity1523]

a-holes i love how in every article about mazdaspeed they also rag on the MSP but you know what all it would take it a good set of tires and a nice track or back road for some of this A-holes to truely understand what the MSP was made for 90% of us out there if we wanted something to be rediculously fast straight line we would have bought a WRX or an SRT-4 but going fast around corners are just that much more fun!!!!!

Anyway back the mazdaspeed 3 the car looks wicked sweet the specs on it are awesome its definetly going to be interesting to see how it compared to some of the other fast sports sedans out there. I can't wait until they debut but somebody tell mazda the wheels on all their new mazdaspeed cars are ugly lol

[Phoenix5]

a-holes i love how in every article about mazdaspeed they also rag on the MSP but you know what all it would take it a good set of tires and a nice track or back road for some of this A-holes to truely understand what the MSP was made for 90% of us out there if we wanted something to be rediculously fast straight line we would have bought a WRX or an SRT-4 but going fast around corners are just that much more fun!!!!!

Anyway back the mazdaspeed 3 the car looks wicked sweet the specs on it are awesome its definetly going to be interesting to see how it compared to some of the other fast sports sedans out there. I can't wait until they debut but somebody tell mazda the wheels on all their new mazdaspeed cars are ugly lol
Sp
(lol),I think the reason for the new Mazdaspeed cars having butt ugly rims is because they lost the rights to Racing Hart,which made gorgoeus rims for the MS Miata and obviously the MSP.

[vcinsanity1523]

Sp
(lol),I think the reason for the new Mazdaspeed cars having butt ugly rims is because they lost the rights to Racing Hart,which made gorgoeus rims for the MS Miata and obviously the MSP.


LOL ya i know but still do something else make a decent design that is all I ask mazdaspeed rims when they were in with racing hearts were some of the nicest factory wheels produced the new ones just plain butt ugly I mean they couldn't have looked at those and said they look nice when they had a car finishing on the assembly line

[Phoenix5]

I think I saw a pic of the Mazdaspeed MX-5's rims and they look nice.

[ghettobubba2001]

great.. more for me! (thumb)

seriously, if this car is around lets say 22k msrp im in.

[ghettobubba2001]

yeah, i know that it will be better than the 3, i wasnt trying to imply anything otherwise. dont get me wrong, it will be a great car, its just that if mazda wanted to make it better they would make it all wheel drive - then it would stack up to EVO/STI/WRX types. right now, if i were to buy a FWD sporty car, I would probably go with the MS3... i just wish they made it AWD like the MS6...

did someone say that the ms3 is supposed to be auto tranny only?


please read the 6 pages it takes like 5 minutes jezus.

[aceP5]

if we wanted something to be rediculously fast straight line we would have bought a WRX or an SRT-4 but going fast around corners are just that much more fun!!!!!

well people dont buy WRXes to drive fast in a straight line... they arent that fast after all... but i hate to break it to you but the WRX does corner better than a protege, and its true potential is released when going "fast around corners". plus they are awesome off road (i.e. rally). please dont think people like WRXes because they are "drag cars" because THEY ARE NOT... the are more of an all around type car that can do pretty much anything...

[1sty]

but i hate to break it to you but the WRX does corner better than a protege,

Having owned 3 protege one being an MP3 and having driven many WRX's, not to mention having owned an STi...I have to strongly disagree. The factory WRX is crap for handling. I test drove one then got back in my MP3 and the difference was imense to say the least.

A WRX should out handle a DX/LX but put it against an MP3/MSP in the corners, and it is simply out classed in handling.



Before a retailiation, I should point out that i agree with your general rebutle and the main point that a WRX is not in any way designed for straight line performance. Hell its not even designed for completely paved roads.

[1sty]

craig, did you ever dyno the mp3?

Nope

I think it was putting down near 170.

[dmitrik4]

Having owned 3 protege one being an MP3 and having driven many WRX's, not to mention having owned an STi...I have to strongly disagree. The factory WRX is crap for handling. I test drove one then got back in my MP3 and the difference was imense to say the least.

A WRX should out handle a DX/LX but put it against an MP3/MSP in the corners, and it is simply out classed in handling.



+1. witness the dearth of D Stock WRXs in Topeka.

i'm not sure a stock WRX is outhandling a P5/ES, even. that said, they respond very well to susp upgrades, even if turn-in is still a tad slow.

[aceP5]

yeah you are probably right then... i never drove a msp so i cant argue with you.

and, i never got to autox my p5 before it was destroyed... :(

i think the way a WRX drives is all about the driver... There is a WRX here that owns STX... and my friend's WRX was quite fast in autox as well, considerably faster than comprably modded WRXs. But, it was becasue of the driver...

its hard to separate the car from the driver, at least when looking at autox... I myself know that my WRX has way too much roll, thats why i am upgrading its suspension.

i mostly wanted to make sure people know the WRX is not about straight line speed... i have autocrossed it, rallycrossed it, plan to take it to the track next month and also maybe the drags. I like it because it can do everything relatively well. but the rally aspect is the best part of it all :)

[aceP5]

oh and my previous statement was meant to say that simply a heavily modded rex (powerwise) will outhandle any fwd car with comprable power. stock for stock wasnt what i was referring to so much as putting that power to the ground with out just smoking your tires through turns and straights.

[trees]

http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/news,view.spy?artid=32772&pg=1
here more info



Did you see in that story that it said that the speed3 will be detuned from 260 to 220 hp. do you think it will be that low? (boom07)

[FlyinMSP]

I find strange that the 0-100km/h is "only" 6.1s ... With 80 HP more than the MS Protegé it should be quicker!

[Matrix]

Did you see in that story that it said that the speed3 will be detuned from 260 to 220 hp. do you think it will be that low? (boom07)

That article is over 15 months old and purely speculative. I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in it. BUt that's just me.

[trees]

That article is over 15 months old and purely speculative. I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in it. BUt that's just me.

your right, i didnt see it was from Dec. 2004

[Bu11dogg2]

Very VERY dissapointed there is no AWD.

[nvmsp]

If everyone is so concerned with AWD then buy a car that is AWD . A MS6. Mazda isnt making these cars to satisfy everyone, just increase sales. Which they have been very successful in.

and Just with the mazda3, not even including the sales of the turbo-charged cars.

Thats my thought, don't be pissed at a car because it's not AWD cause thats what u want.

WHat are heavily modded MSP's, P5's,turbo/supercharged Rsx-s, Srt-4s running??. The same times as AWD vehicles.

If a car is fast, it's fast. It's not based on whether it's FWD,AWD, or RWD.

[Cloke]

When does the MS3 come out? That's the info I want. We can all wish for the M3MPS but who has the money to import something like that? I mean its great, but, when, where, why, how?

[Rogue]

what are you talking about importing? The MS3 will be here in the fall as an 07 model. Probably around September.

[Cloke]

Well, there's my answer

[Phoenix5]

Very VERY dissapointed there is no AWD.

The reason why it's only FWD is bc Mazda doesn't want it competing w/ the MS6.Which would be better since that means it would be slightly cheaper.At least they dropped in an LSD.Like the others said,if you really want the AWD,then save more money and get a MS6!

[Chibana]

The reason why it's only FWD is bc Mazda doesn't want it competing w/ the MS6.Which would be better since that means it would be slightly cheaper.At least they dropped in an LSD.Like the others said,if you really want the AWD,then save more money and get a MS6!

While, personally, I'm glad the Mazdaspeed3 doesn't have the front wheel biased AWD system of the Mazdaspeed6, I don't buy this argument. The Mazdaspeed3 will not compete with the Mazdaspeed6 any more than the Mazda3 competes with the Mazda6. They cater to different markets, age groups, etc.

I suspect that Mazda decided against an AWD system because it would add significant cost, and, probably less important to Mazda, weight. With a car in this segment, cost is a major factor, and if it started pushing thirty thousand dollars, I don't think it would sell well. I think most people would spend a bit more and get the Evo or STI.

[Phoenix5]

While, personally, I'm glad the Mazdaspeed3 doesn't have the front wheel biased AWD system of the Mazdaspeed6, I don't buy this argument. The Mazdaspeed3 will not compete with the Mazdaspeed6 any more than the Mazda3 competes with the Mazda6. They cater to different markets, age groups, etc.

I suspect that Mazda decided against an AWD system because it would add significant cost, and, probably less important to Mazda, weight. With a car in this segment, cost is a major factor, and if it started pushing thirty thousand dollars, I don't think it would sell well. I think most people would spend a bit more and get the Evo or STI.

Well,I was just saying what I read in SCC.It wasn't really from me.But w/e,I'd rather get an STI or Evo over the MS6,myself,lol!

[FlyinMSP]

Well, in Europe there's the Golf R32 which has AWR, they could (Mazda) have thrown some competition at that one!

[Rogue]

Found this picture on here (http://www.media.mazda.com/CGI/photolibrary/E/search_list.cgi?p=1&select_name=keyword&search=Mazda3%20MPS&select=&select2=&select3=&select4=&select5=).

If you look at the front driver side suspension, what is that gold/brass piece coming off the strut body?

On the exhaust, I see the main muffler, but what is that piece right before the tip? Another resonator?

[Cloke]

I just cant wait till this fall then, I need to start saving up if I want to get this darn hatch.

[altspace]

Yes, another resonator. I believe the gold/brass piece is part of the steering and not attached to anything. It's the angle of the photo.

[Chibana]

Well, in Europe there's the Golf R32 which has AWR, they could (Mazda) have thrown some competition at that one!

Yes, but Volkswagon has been doing more expensive cars lately, too. I think it goes over more well with VW than it would with Mazda (although their extreme example, the Phaeton, went over like a lead balloon in the U.S.). The R32 was also sold here in its previous platform and quickly snatched up by consumers. I'm not convinced the Mazdaspeed3 could pull it off, and I'm sure the same thing went through the minds of the execs at Mazda and Ford, too. It's the same reason why Ford has not, and probably will not, ever bring over the cool and fast Focuses from Europe. No one here wants to pay $30,000 for a Ford Focus.

[Matrix]

Yes, but Volkswagon has been doing more expensive cars lately, too. I think it goes over more well with VW than it would with Mazda (although their extreme example, the Phaeton, went over like a lead balloon in the U.S.). The R32 was also sold here in its previous platform and quickly snatched up by consumers. I'm not convinced the Mazdaspeed3 could pull it off, and I'm sure the same thing went through the minds of the execs at Mazda and Ford, too. It's the same reason why Ford has not, and probably will not, ever bring over the cool and fast Focuses from Europe. No one here wants to pay $30,000 for a Ford Focus.

Then they should call it something else. Nobody thought people would pay $35,000+ for a V6 Golf with AWD, so they just called it an R32. I could go out right now and buy a used Golf VR6, pop in the HTTA aftermarket AWD system and have an R32 for less than $20k. HTTA also makes a TT setup for the VR6.

If Ford brought over the high-performance Focuses from Europe, they could just rename them for intro in the states. Like "Ford Cosworth Special" or some SVT model. It's all in the marketing.

[BondoBob]

I drove the 6 when it came out and it is too big and ponderous for me. I love my MP3. I've said it before: it handles like my old BMW 1600 - a little underpowered but just think about where you want to go and it goes. I like the idea of more power in the Mazdaspeed 3. Too bad they had to put in that damn station wagon body. The Volvo (built on the same chassis) looks better.

[Chibana]

Then they should call it something else. Nobody thought people would pay $35,000+ for a V6 Golf with AWD, so they just called it an R32. I could go out right now and buy a used Golf VR6, pop in the HTTA aftermarket AWD system and have an R32 for less than $20k. HTTA also makes a TT setup for the VR6.

If Ford brought over the high-performance Focuses from Europe, they could just rename them for intro in the states. Like "Ford Cosworth Special" or some SVT model. It's all in the marketing.

I agree. But Ford has stated that they don't. And, frankly, with how clueless Ford has been lately (lately?), they would screw it up. I'm not sure Mazda could pull off a $30,000+ Mazdaspeed3, either. Mazda just hasn't played in that area; VW has.

[Matrix]

I agree. But Ford has stated that they don't. And, frankly, with how clueless Ford has been lately (lately?), they would screw it up. I'm not sure Mazda could pull off a $30,000+ Mazdaspeed3, either. Mazda just hasn't played in that area; VW has.

Yeah, that's true. (deadhorse

Hey, is there an R version of the Volvo S40?
I've seen the Volvo S60R, and it's a 300hp AWD monster.

[TampaSport20]

Yeah, that's true. (deadhorse

Hey, is there an R version of the Volvo S40?
I've seen the Volvo S60R, and it's a 300hp AWD monster.

don't know if it's called S40R, but the s40 offers a 5 cylinder turbo as an option that has like 225hp with AWD and 6 speed manual.....

[Chibana]

That Volvo is the S40 T5, and it makes 218 hp. It's not all that fast, however, because it weighs much more than the Mazda3. There is no R version of the S40 yet, and I've read nothing in any of the car magazines or automotive news sources. That doesn't mean it's not in the works, though.

[Cloke]

06/07 Civic Si sedan got crap on the MS3

Biotch!!!!!

LOL

[Rogue]

someone needs to photoshop these wheels onto the MS3
http://www.carview.co.jp/tas/2006/just/mazda_rx_8_ms/images/03_l.jpg

[Rogue]

so, i tried a quick/sloppy job of it
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Rogue%20Pro5/MS3-with-rims.jpg

better than stock?

[valos]

At this moment I need to follow the Authorized Vendor rules! These are limited to 500 pcs worldwide and it's LHD. It's manufactured by Autoart and it is very detailled

[bazooka joe]

At this moment I have some scale models available from this car. These are limited to 500 pcs worldwide and it's LHD. It's manufactured by Autoart and it is very detailled

if you're selling...gotta follow the rules!!!!

[valos]

if you're selling...gotta follow the rules!!!!


I will do that for sure, thanks.

Is it possible to put up a link to my website.
The case is that I am a Mazda Miniature collector and I have a website dedicated to it.

Greets, Geert-Jan

[OrngSpd03]

If it's automatic, is this like the only automatic turbo car ever or recently?

I don't think I've seen a production car thats turboed and auto.

My sister had a Chrysler Piece of Crap years ago that had a auto with a turbocharger. I don't remember what model it was...not a neon it was befor they camo out.

[cboe's_mp5]

so, i tried a quick/sloppy job of it
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Rogue%20Pro5/MS3-with-rims.jpg

better than stock?
calipers dont match

[iNeedSpeed]

Wtf!!!

[Seasideclub]

Very VERY dissapointed there is no AWD.

I betcha they'll be an AWD in '08. My two-cents...

Can't wait to drive one!

[Jadore3]

The Mazda3 MPS (Euro version of the MS3) specs have officially been released!

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Antoine/Mazda3MPSFront.jpg (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123627269)
* Click on the pic for more info!

The Mazda3 MPS is outfitted with Mazda’s 2.3-litre DISI Turbo petrol engine
in a front engine, front-wheel drive (FWD) layout that produces more than
184 kW/250 PS at 5,500 rpm and maximum torque of 380 Nm at 3,000 rpm.

+

Six-Speed Manual Transmission and FWD


These are the converted euro specs for us "Americans". Thanks to Rogue Pro5.

power: ~184kW (250ps) @ 5500rpm (EEC net)
power: ~247hp @ 5500rpm
torque: 380Nm @ 3000rpm (EEC net)
torque: 280 ft/lb @ 3000rpm
fuel requirement: 98RON (93[R+M]/2)
fuel requirement: premium unleaded
fuel consumption: 9.7l/100km (ECE)
fuel consuption: ~24mpg
emissions compliancy: EuroIV
0-100km/h: 6.1s
0-62mph: 6.1s
50-100km/h (in 3rd gear): 4.2s
31-62mph (in 3rd gear): 4.2s
80-120km/h (in 5th gear): 5.4s
50-75mph (in 5th gear) 5.4s
spring rates:
(front): 33N/mm
(front): 188lb/in
(rear): 30N/mm
(rear): 171lb/in
stabilizer sizes:
(front): 26mm
(front): 1.02 in.
(rear): 25mm
(reaf): .98 in.


Chassis rigidity has been upgraded, and suspension has been upgraded to have 60% increase in body roll stiffness.... flared front fenders are used (20mm wider than non-MPS models)... speedometer range has been increased to 174mph (versus 143mph on non-MPS models) but vehicle speed is ECU limited to 155mph... front disc brake size has been increased to 12.6 in. (11.8 in. for non-MPS "sport" model, 10.9 in. for others)





Look to MZSPD3.com (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=142) for the latest MS3 specs, info and discussion!




(drive)
nice 3

[Antoine]

Not sure if someone posted this already...but I thought I'd mention that the MS3 or MPS (as it's known in Europe) was mentioned on the latest episode of "Fifth Gear" and they seemed pretty jazzed about it...which is saying something since Europe...especially England knows a thing or two about "hot hatches"...I think we're going to see a lot of excitement from the press about this little monster...;)

[Jadore3]

Not sure if someone posted this already...but I thought I'd mention that the MS3 or MPS (as it's known in Europe) was mentioned on the latest episode of "Fifth Gear" and they seemed pretty jazzed about it...which is saying something since Europe...especially England knows a thing or two about "hot hatches"...I think we're going to see a lot of excitement from the press about this little monster...;)

I def agree it is a sweet looking ride! I am thinking about trading my 3 in for the Mazdaspeed3 when it is available......ty for the complimant...I love it but wow that Mazdaspeed3 is hot...lol

[absolutjk]

hey whats up everybody, i just bought a 1999 protege es 1.8, does anyone know where i can find a good computer chip for it?

[miata_monster]

Such a sick car!

[08chris]

Not sure if someone posted this already...but I thought I'd mention that the MS3 or MPS (as it's known in Europe) was mentioned on the latest episode of "Fifth Gear" and they seemed pretty jazzed about it...which is saying something since Europe...especially England knows a thing or two about "hot hatches"...I think we're going to see a lot of excitement from the press about this little monster...;)

(2thumbs) So glad I got a speed3...I LOVE IT! (cabpatch)