Geneva: Mazda3 MPS and Mazda3 refresh press release and pics

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It's like 39 pages and I'll try to post all the info later, but here are the summaries.

Note: All info is Euro-spec.

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* Antoine here...These are the converted euro specs for us "Americans"...Thanks to Rogue Pro5 for the conversion! ;)



power: ~184kW (250ps) @ 5500rpm (EEC net)

power: ~247hp @ 5500rpm

torque: 380Nm @ 3000rpm (EEC net)

torque: 280 ft/lb @ 3000rpm

fuel requirement: 98RON (93[R+M]/2)

fuel requirement: premium unleaded

fuel consumption: 9.7l/100km (ECE)

fuel consuption: ~24mpg

emissions compliancy: EuroIV

0-100km/h: 6.1s

0-62mph: 6.1s

50-100km/h (in 3rd gear): 4.2s

31-62mph (in 3rd gear): 4.2s

80-120km/h (in 5th gear): 5.4s

50-75mph (in 5th gear) 5.4s

spring rates:

(front): 33N/mm

(front): 188lb/in

(rear): 30N/mm

(rear): 171lb/in

stabilizer sizes:

(front): 26mm

(front): 1.02 in.

(rear): 25mm

(reaf): .98 in.



Chassis rigidity has been upgraded, and suspension has been upgraded to have 60% increase in body roll stiffness.... flared front fenders are used (20mm wider than non-MPS models)... speedometer range has been increased to 174mph (versus 143mph on non-MPS models) but vehicle speed is ECU limited to 155mph... front disc brake size has been increased to 12.6 in. (11.8 in. for non-MPS "sport" model, 10.9 in. for others)


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* Antoine again...Trying to organize the MS3 threads.

Thanks to MikeyB, altspace, FastMSP and RODSCALIP5 for the pics! (2thumbs)




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Mazda3 MPS (i.e. Mazdaspeed3 in N. America):

The all-new Mazda3 MPS takes its place as the flagship of the Mazda3 facelift line up and is the second MPS sports model after the Mazda6 MPS, launched just two months ago in Europe. The Mazda3 MPS has a distinctly MPS design that combines a refined, yet strong and sporty road presence that is carried over into the interior with look and feel that evolves Mazda craftsmanship and quality even further. Mazda3 MPS is outfitted with Mazda’s 2.3-litre DISI* Turbo petrol engine in a front engine, front-wheel drive (FWD) layout that produces more than 184 kW/250 PS at 5,500 rpm** and maximum torque of 380 Nm at 3,000 rpm**. This not only makes Mazda3 MPS one of the most powerful and responsive compact sports models with FWD, it combines this with a stiffer body shell and a suspension with 60 percent improvement in roll stiffness versus the Mazda3 facelift standard model for superior Zoom-Zoom handling attributes. Mazda’s petrol direct injection technology not only makes the new Mazda3 MPS powerful, it is also Euro Stage IV compliant with fuel consumption levels that are particularly good for a car with this kind of performance.

Mazda3 refresh:

Since its launch in 2003, Mazda3 has become Mazda’s best-selling vehicle and the company has even had to increase production to meet global demand. To further enhance its global popularity, Mazda has refreshed its compact star’s line-up in a 2006 version with enhanced design and comfort, optimized performance and even higher levels of interior quality feel. New exterior enhancements to both the modern and elegant sedan and the sporty hatchback further support a standard Mazda3 line up with two distinct models for customers to choose from. The Mazda3 face-lift’s petrol engine line up features three MZR aggregates – a 2.0-litre, a 1.6-litre, and a base 1.4-litre (depending on market offer) – all of them further optimized so the model can continue to be one of the better driving cars in its segment and adds a new six-speed trans*mission for the top-end petrol. The Mazda3 facelift retains the two derivatives of the MZ*CD 1.6-litre common-rail turbo diesel engine for European customers (depending on market offer), both offering high torque and power with low diesel fuel consumption. Added to this are enhancements to the body shell along with improved damper performance and improved aerodynamics for even better handling, stability and driving fun. Overall comfort has also been improved with more insulation against road noise, revised tyres and reduced suspension vibration. Features newly added to the line up, like available advanced keyless entry and a 20 gigabyte hard disc drive audio system (depending on market offer), make the Mazda3 facelift even easier to use and enjoy on a daily basis.

[wongpres]

This is all I can upload right now - I'm sure others will upload more pics later today.

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Restyled sedan front.

Note: The Mazda3 sedan I posted above is the Mazda3 refresh (same with 2-tone seat interior pic). The red 5-door is the MPS.

[Antoine]

(ohsnap!)...I've been hunting the latest Geneva info for MS3 and you HAVE IT ALREADY! SWEET :D

What's 380 Nm in U.S. TQ #'s???

* Stickied!

[jmv]

so is 250 PS equal to 250 HP?? And it says "more than"... ???

I'll see if i can find conversions for the torque specs.

[jmv]

holy crap, i dunno if i converted it right, but it comes out to 280.3 pound feet!! i really hope thats right.

[Newf]

20 gig hard drive???? You have my interest peaked. Of course we'll never see that here.

[wongpres]

Full details on the Mazda3 MPS from the press release:

Developed under the key concept of "a dynamic sporty compact that exceeds your expectations," Mazda3 debuted in summer 2003 and has gone on to enjoy enormous popularity among customers worldwide. Selected as the 2004 European Car of the Year runner-up and winner of ca. 60 prestigious awards from coun¬tries around the world, Mazda3 is clearly recog¬nized as one of the leading cars in the compact segment. This remarkable level of recognition boosted sales in Europe, North America and Australia. Since launch, it has become Mazda’s best-selling model globally with over 750,000 units produced in just 30 months and has sustained Mazda's growth during this period.

“Mazda3 MPS, which is making its world debut at the Geneva Motor Show, dramatically reinforces the acclaimed dynamics of the origi¬nal Mazda3 and delivers maximum driving pleasure through outstanding performance and a superior chassis,” said Tatsuo Maeda, Programme Manager for development of the Mazda3 series. “To create this new benchmark, we looked to embody the following three requirements:

• Driving Fun: Formidable performance from the MZR 2.3L DISI Turbo engine, along with sharply responsive handling achieved by capitalizing on the characteristics of the compact, lightweight body.

• Ownership Delight: Exterior styling that gives an immediate impression of driving fun, and an interior with a quality feel that exceeds expectations.
• Everyday, User-Friendly Convenience: An exceptional balance of driving pleasure with everyday functionality and comfort.”

As a result, the flagship of the Mazda3 range features a stylishly sophisticated look combined with performance levels that make it one of the fastest sports compacts with a FWD layout. Mazda3 MPS offers truly exhilarating accelera¬tion from a standing start, superior passing acceleration in the practical speed range and one of the highest top speeds in its class.

Mazda3 MPS is the second vehicle in the Mazda Performance Series, following the Mazda6 MPS launched in Europe two months ago. This high-performance sedan is equipped with the same MZR 2.3L DISI Turbo engine as the Mazda3 MPS, and incorporates a 4WD system and has a GT character with the accent on a feeling of stability. In contrast, the Mazda3 MPS uses a FWD layout to maximize the inherent agile handling characteristics of its lightweight and compact body. In addition, the FWD configuration permitted more affordable pricing, allowing Mazda the opportunity of offering Zoom-Zoom to a wider audience in an extremely fun-to-drive package.

MPS Design DNA – the Harmony of Refinement and Sensuality
Mazda3 MPS styling pursues a look of strength and solidity in a design that conveys the car's unmatched dynamic performance at a glance. Its form is characterized by boldly flared front fenders, and effective use of strong edges on the bonnet and other elements. These combine with the functional forms of the bumpers, spoil¬ers and other parts developed for outstanding aerodynamic performance, to make a radical Zoom-Zoom statement in an FWD sports compact. Overall, Mazda3 MPS’s design is sporty and strong, befitting a high-performance model, without exaggerated styling cues. Instead, the focus is on creating a refined presence, which owners can take pride in. This approach is an important facet of MPS design DNA, also adopted for the Mazda6 MPS.

Exterior Design
The integrated form of the 5-door hatchback of the base model was the starting point for the individualistic statement Mazda3 MPS makes about the Zoom-Zoom spirit. Although it has the athletic form of a high-performance model, it also realizes a refined, supple look calculated to appeal to the aesthetic sensibility of the more mature driver. Its front fenders are 20 mm wider than on the base model to provide clear¬ance for the large tyres and to evoke a well-planted stance. And to forge a uniform identity for the MPS series, two design elements are shared with the Mazda6 MPS: strong press lines flowing back along the bonnet from the upper part of the five-point grille used as the air intake for the intercooler, and the aerody¬namically shaped front bumper and large lower grille serving as the air intake for the radiator. Additionally, the "floating image" angular fog lamps used here for the first time communicate the vehicle's unique personality. An athletic yet elegant side view is created by aerodynamic side skirts and 18-inch, 10-spoke aluminium alloy wheels.

The rear view is characterized by the design of the rear bumper, which suggests stable road hold, the tailpipe with a large diameter (95 mm) and the roof spoiler with integrated high-mounted LED brake lights. These items add up to a tautly defined rear design that is instantly recognizable as the Mazda3 MPS to other drivers who see it pass.

Interior Design
A high quality black sets the tone of the interior, accented by red stitching on the seats, steering wheel, and the six-speed manual transmission shift knob to create a sporty yet refined ambience – the hallmark of a Mazda MPS model. The instrument panel includes a matte black decorative insert panel finished with a hairline treatment to underscore the vehicle’s aggressively modern personality. A leather wrapped shift knob, aluminium pedals and stainless steel scuff plates further contrib¬ute to the sporty, high quality ambience that distinguishes MPS models, while semi-bucket front seats provide firm support to match the uniquely sporty performance of the Mazda3 MPS. Additionally, the instrument panel houses a blackout type speedometer (scaled to 280 km/h) in the centre position and the front seats bear the MPS logo on the seatbacks, a casual reminder that this is the highest performance model in the Mazda3 line up.

Euro Stage IV Emissions Combined with Formidable Power and Agile Handling
Mazda3 MPS is equipped with a 2.3-litre petrol direct injection turbo engine (MZR 2.3L DISI Turbo) that is Euro Stage IV compliant while generating formidable maximum power of more than 184 kW/250 PS at 5,500 rpm* and maximum torque of 380 Nm at 3,000 rpm*. Installed in a lightweight and compact body, the engine propels Mazda3 MPS to a top speed of 250 km/h**, and from 0 to 100 km/h in 6.1 seconds***. These figures make the Mazda3 MPS one of the most powerful sports compacts with a FWD layout.

To handle this level of performance, torque characteristics are carefully controlled to improve driveability. The body, suspension and brakes are specially tuned as part of the vehicle’s all-round optimization. The result is outstanding performance and agile handling that deliver high levels of driving pleasure. Since this kind of driving can only normally be experienced in a pure sports car, Mazda3 MPS far exceeds driver expectations.

MZR 2.3L DISI Turbo Engine
In addition to delivering a high-performance Zoom-Zoom driving experience, the MZR 2.3L DISI Turbo engine also exhibits good environ¬mental compatibility with low fuel consumption and Euro Stage IV emissions. This powerplant is a direct-injection turbocharged unit devel¬oped by Mazda to achieve three aspects of performance that are difficult to realize with conventional manifold injection engines: good fuel-economy and low exhaust gas emissions, powerful acceleration thanks to the turbocharg¬er, and a full
and flat torque curve throughout the rev range for exceptional engine response.

Mazda’s MZR 2.3L DISI Turbo injects fuel into the cylinders at pressures as high as 11.5 MPa, which cools the combustion chambers (internal cooling effect) through latent heat

of vaporization, thereby improving the charging efficiency. This can increase torque by up to 10 percent at around 3,000 rpm compared to a conventional manifold injection type turbo engine, making powerful, easy-to-control torque available across a wide range of engine speeds. This high power flat torque curve is attained by the use of a fixed geometry turbo¬charger.

The internal cooling effect within the combus¬tion chamber increases the cylinder charge volume under initial acceleration and hence the exhaust-gas flow, causing a linear increase in rotation speed of the turbocharger's compressor wheel. As a result, the turbocharger provides boost effect soon after the accelerator is pressed– at around 2,500 rpm – assuring excellent response at low to mid-engine speeds.

High-pressure direct injection of fuel into the cylinder also results in an optimized air-fuel mixture forming in the vicinity of the spark plug, reducing the risk of misfire. This allows earlier ignition, making it easy to raise the temperature of the exhaust gas. Moreover, use of a lightweight, fixed geometry turbocharger dramatically reduces the thermal capacity of the exhaust system, minimizing the loss in temperature of exhaust gas. As a result, the catalytic converter reaches its activation temperature faster after the engine is started. These advantages enable Mazda3 MPS to meet Euro Stage IV emissions regulations.

Because the internal cooling effect within the combustion chamber reduces knocking tendencies and boosts fuel economy without sacrificing low-end torque, the MZR 2.3L DISI Turbo engine has a relatively high compres¬sion ratio for a turbo engine of 9.5:1 which contributes to improved fuel economy.

The form and materials used for the respective engine components are optimized to bear the added load and heat of the increased output. The cylinder block and cylinder head are optimally shaped to increase their strength. In addition, cross drilling between the block liners and between the valve bridges on the cylinder head improves cooling performance. All moving parts have been made stronger and more rigid. The crankshaft is made of steel, and the diameter of the crank pins is increased. Connecting rods are also made of steel, and the shape of the rods is optimized. Full-floating pistons are used with increased-diameter pins. The shape of the radiator fan blades has also been optimized, the capacity of the electric fan motor increased and a flap function added to the fan shroud controls the adequate airflow to the radiator. These mea¬sures greatly improve the radiator's cooling performance at all engine speeds.

For Mazda3 MPS, the development team fine-tuned both the engine and exhaust system to produce a sporty sound that enhances driving pleasure. Tuning of the exhaust system focused on sounds in the low frequency range, while tuning of engine sound focused on the mid frequency range produced at high engine speeds to deliver an enjoyably sporty sound. A powerful exhaust note is hit the moment the engine is started, and a pleasurable sound sustained in sync with accelerator pedal input as the car gains speed.

High-level Torque Management
A wide range of optimizations give this high-power, high-torque FWD vehicle greater ease of use with more comfortable driveability and handling. volume and boost pressure control suppress sudden torque peaks, assuring smooth, linear torque delivery. Additionally, torque characteristics from first through fourth gears are optimized to deliver appro¬priate drive power from take off. Torque control is also linked to the steering angle, and the stiff¬ness of the left and right drive shafts is balanced with the angles optimized to control torque steer. A newly-developed limited slip differ¬ential is also adopted to provide ample torque to the inner wheel during hard cornering for smooth, predictable driving in the curve.

Six-Speed Manual Transmission
The new Mazda3 MPS employs the six-speed manual transmission introduced with the Mazda6 MPS that provides the driver with the pleasure of having full control over the vehicle’s high power, while contributing to a quiet ride and better fuel economy. A compact three-shaft design made it possible to keep the over¬all length the same as for the five-speed manual transmission used in the base model. In addi¬tion, Mazda3 MPS’s six-speed transmission uses wide gear ratios to fully exploit the wide
torque band of the direct-injection turbo¬charged engine. The transmission’s high-ratio sixth gear contributes to a quieter ride and improves fuel economy during high-speed cruising. Triple-cone synchronizers for first through third gears and a double-cone synchronizer for fourth gear assure ample sync capacity to enable a short, clean-action shift stroke and comfortable shift feel.

High Body Rigidity and Specially Tuned Chassis
Like the Mazda3 facelift, the new Mazda3 MPS features a body with greater rigidity than the original model. The MPS version is based on the Mazda3 5-door hatchback, with local rein¬forcements added to realize a body sufficiently stiff and robust to stand up to the extra demands of sporty driving. Suspension and brakes have also been specially tuned for the MPS. These improvements assure a body and chassis capa¬ble of easily handling the extremely high power delivered by the MZR 2.3L DISI Turbo engine.

Body rigidity has been increased by several features, including a reinforced front cowl member that is joined directly to a plate in the top section of the front damper mount, assuring the same rigidity as a car fitted with strut tower bars. This prevents deformation of the front suspension towers and maintains correct suspension geometry. In the lower body, a large closed section member is employed to rein¬force the floor tunnel which improves the torsional rigidity of whole body. At the rear, the gusset introduced at the bottom end of the rear suspension towers restrains the tendency of the towers to displace inwards which maintains the correct suspension geometry in the rear.

Specially Tuned Suspension gives 60 Percent Improvement in Roll Stiffness
Special suspension tuning was conducted to support the high power output of Mazda3 MPS’s engine. Both the MacPherson strut front suspension and multi-link rear suspension have higher coil spring rates and larger diameter stabilizer bars than the Mazda3 face¬lift. Dampers also have a higher damping force on the MPS. Damping force on both jounce and rebound is approximately 6 times better at low piston speed, and about 1.3 times better at moderate piston speed. Combined with the reinforced coil springs and stabilizer bars, this produces 60 percent more roll stiffness than the Mazda3 facelift.


Comparison of Suspension Specifications

Mazda3 MPS Mazda3 Facelift
Front Rear Front Rear
Coil spring rate 33 N/mm 30 N/mm 23 N/mm 23 N/mm
Stabilizer diameter 26 mm 25 mm 21 mm 20 mm
Roll stiffness 2.18 deg/G 3.47 deg/G

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Aerodynamics Engineered for Speeds of up to 250 km/h
With its exceptional performance, Mazda3 MPS demands exceptional aerodynamics. Special attention was paid to reducing drag to enable a top speed of 250 km/h*, and to achieving aerodynamic performance that supports stable straight running, lane changing and overtaking manoeuvres at high speeds. A wide variety of underfloor parts were employed, to achieve the superior aerodynamic performance targets (Cd=0.31).

Focus on Safety – Upgraded Brake System to Match the High Power
The starting point for Mazda3 MPS safety package was to preserve the accurate, predict¬able handling of the original Mazda3. Large diameter 4-wheel disc brakes, ventilated 320 mm discs at front and solid 280 mm discs at rear, a 8+9-inch tandem brake booster and a large 1-inch diameter master cylinder yield powerful and stable braking. Standard equip¬ment includes 4W-ABS, emergency brake assist, and dynamic stability control (DSC), all of which provide active safety for the MPS in a range of driving scenarios. In addition, a rain-sensing wiper system and auto light system are also available (depending on market and grade) to give the driver a clear view of the road and help prevent accidents.

For protection during collision from any direc¬tion, Mazda3 MPS employs the unique Mazda Advanced Impact-energy Distribution and Absorption System to deliver a robust and safe body structure. Inside the cabin, front dual airbags are fitted as standard, along with side and curtain airbags. A collapsible brake pedal and revised steering column structure reduce the risk of injury to the driver's lower legs, while a seat belt reminder system, which confirms whether seatbelts are buckled or not, is also included to support the safety of the front and rear occupants.

Mazda3 MPS Technical Specifications

MZR DISI 2.3L Turbo
Engine Type Inline 4-cylinder,
DOHC turbo petrol
Displacement cm3 2261
Bore x stroke mm 87.5 x 94.0
Valves 4 per cylinder
Max. power* -kW more than 184 at 5500 rpm
-PS more than 250 at 5500 rpm
Max. torque* -Nm 380 at 3000 rpm
Fuel type Unleaded 98RON
Emission control system 3-way catalytic converter
Emissions ranking Euro Stage IV
Transmission 6-speed manual
Powertrain Front engine, front-wheel drive
Gear Ratios
1st 3.538
2nd 2.238
3rd 1.535
4th 1.171
5th 1.085
6th 0.853
Final drive ratio (1st - 4th) 3.941
Final drive ratio (5th – 6th) 3.350
Reverse 3.831
Performance
Top Speed** km/h 250
Acceleration***
0-100 km/h (sec) 6.1
50-100 km/h in 3rd gear (sec) 4.2
80-120 km/h in 5th gear (sec) 5.4
Fuel consumption*
Combined l/100 km 9.7


* Mazda targets subject to change upon homologation
** Electronically limited
*** Under Mazda test conditions

MZR DISI 2.3L Turbo
Suspension and Wheels
Front suspension MacPherson independent struts
Rear suspension Independent multi-link
Wheel size 18x7J
Tyre size 215/45R18 93Y
Brakes
Type front Ventilated discs
Type rear Solid discs
Diameter front (mm) 320
Diameter rear (mm) 280



Mazda3 MPS Dimensions

Mazda3 MPS
Body Type Monocoque
Seating capacity 5
Seat type 2 individual front
3 bench type rear
External Dimensions
Overall length w/license
plate holder (mm) 4435
Overall width (mm) 1765
Overall height (mm) 1465
Wheelbase (mm) 2640
Front tread (mm) 1530
Rear tread (mm) 1515

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Full details on the Mazda3 refresh from the press release:

Exterior Design – Two Body Styles, Two Distinct Personalities
Adding to the emotional personality of its predecessor, the Mazda3 facelift 4-door sedan’s image of modern elegance is further enhanced. Redesigned bumpers provide a massive look and a chrome bar on the front grille expresses a high quality feel. For the 5-door hatchback, the grille's upper bar is body coloured and further refines the origi-nal’s smartly energetic Zoom-Zoom styling. In addition, 15, 16 and 17-inch aluminium alloy wheels have all been redesigned. Sports appearance package (SAP) equipment and selected options are also available to give both the 4-door and 5-door versions a more athletic look: the 4-door SAP promotes a feeling of stability, while the 5-door SAP is the sportiest model in the Mazda3 facelift line up and exudes a youthful personality.

Interior Design
Particular attention was paid to improving interior quality. Two interior colour schemes are planned, depending on grade and market, a grey interior colour for a feeling of high-class sporty refinement, and a sports-oriented black interior. Both interior colour packages received newly designed white cluster meters and a stylish piano black decoration panel.

The Sports Grade (depending on market) with black interior and blackout type meters includes a decorative insert finished with a hairline treatment in the instrument panel to communicate even more high quality and sportiness.

More Mature Driving Attributes and a More Refined Ride
Mazda engineers began work on bolsteringMazda3's highly-regarded dynamic perfor-mance immediately after the original model launch, with the aim of improving fuel economy, ride comfort and quietness. To achieve this, engines and transmissions were upgraded to deliver a livelier, more comfort-able drive supported by ample torque. In addition to improving Mazda3 facelift’s handling stability, ease of operation and ride quality, Mazda also achieved further reductions in noise and vibration.

The MZR 2.0-litre petrol engine produces 110kW/150 PS of maximum power at 6,500 rpm* and maximum torque of 187 Nm at 4,000 rpm*.It adopts high-accuracy electronic throttle control for the first time, along with newly introduced sequential valve timing(S-VT).Optimal adjustment of the engine's intakevalve operation in response to running conditions achieves high charging efficiency. Together with a variable induction system(VIS), this allows the engine to achieve powerful torque throughout the whole revrange. The MZR 1.6-litre petrol engine – with a maximum power output of 77 kW/105 PS at6,000 rpm* and maximum torque of 145 Nm at4,000 rpm* – retains the same S-VT and VIS as the original model, and is calibrated to further improve fuel efficiency. The base MZR 1.4-litrepetrol engine produces 62 kW/84 PS of maxi-mum power at 6,000 rpm* and 122 Nm of maximum torque at 4,000 rpm* (depending onmarket offer). This engine is given modified valve timing based on the S-VT already employed. This heightens charging efficiency at low engine speeds without sacrificing power in the higher engine speed range to give ample torque at low and middle engine speeds for powerful, easy driving.

The MZ-CD 1.6-litre diesel engine remains in the Mazda3 facelift line up for Europe. Two versions are available with maximum power outputs of 66 kW/90 PS and 80 kW/109 PS at 4,000 rpm* and maximum torque of 215 Nm and 240 Nm at just 1,750 rpm* respectively (90 PS depending on market offer). Both deliv¬er an exceptional balance of power, low fuel consumption and emissions, and low NVH. Both of these DOHC 16- valve engines feature aluminium construction for low weight,

along with a 160 MPa ultra-high pressure common-rail injection system. The standard powered diesel employs a fixed geometry turbocharger and the higher powered diesel employs a variable geometry turbocharger and also a diesel particulate filter.

The MZR 2.0-litre petrol engine is available with a newly-introduced six-speed manual transmission. Triple-cone synchronizers for first and second gears and double-cone synchronizers for third and fourth gears assure ample sync capacity for a light, crisp shift feel and predictable operation. Gear ratios between third and sixth gears are set close to provide better, stress-free passing acceleration at high speeds. The sixth gear functions as overdrive and contributes to improved quietness at high speed as well as better fuel economy.

The standard five-speed manual transmission for the MZR 1.4-litre and 1.6-litre petrols has been further refined throughout, and clutch operating feel has been improved. The MZR 1.6-litre petrol engine is also available with an electronically controlled, four-speed auto¬matic transmission (depending on market).

The sound of the engine is one of the impor¬tant elements affecting the vehicle’s fun-to-drive aspects, as well as good acceleration and gear shift feel. Mazda3 facelift petrol models have higher-rigidity drive shaft mountings to reduce the droning sound generated at high engine speeds and the alternator mounted on the MZR 2.0-litre petrol engine is specifically designed to reduce its operating noise. These measures result in a linear acceleration feel up to high engine speeds.

Further Evolution of Mazda3’s Acclaimed Body and Chassis
The Mazda3 facelift’s body shell has been upgraded by bolstering local rigidity for an even stiffer, safer body and even sportier han¬dling and firm ride quality. The suspension system has been optimized to further reinforce Mazda3’s acclaimed Zoom-Zoom handling, while still achieving a refined and comfortable ride. Mazda3 facelift’s MacPherson strut front suspension has improved damper perfor¬mance and has been tuned to improve steer¬ing response and reduce understeer during high-speed cornering. The multi-link rear suspension ensures improved rear-end stabil¬ity during high-speed cornering.

Improved Aerodynamics
To further enhance Mazda3 facelift's exciting dynamic performance, the aerodynamics team focused on reducing high-speed drag and improving stability. In particular, they worked to improve underfloor aerodynamics, achieving superior aerodynamic performance (for the 5-door hatchback, Cd = 0.30). In addi¬tion to contributing to better fuel economy and improved high-speed acceleration, Mazda3 facelift’s upgraded aerodynamics contribute to even more exceptional handling stability, with predictable straight line driving and high-speed lane changing.

Improved Quietness
Further evolving the Zoom-Zoom driving enjoyment of the Mazda3 facelift included isolating road noise and reducing wind noise during high-speed driving. Measures taken include expanding the use of bonnet-under-side insulation to more models, revising tyres, bolstering rim rigidity, improving suspension vibration characteristics, and installing sound-absorbing material in the cabin roof of all models.

New Features for Even More Comfort and Ease-of-Use
The Mazda3 facelift employs several new features for improved comfort and ease-of-use. An advanced keyless entry and start system is introduced (depending on market and grade). Simply carrying a card-type key allows the driver to lock and unlock the doors, the boot or rear hatch, and start and stop the engine by turning the starter knob. In addition, the advanced key's lock/unlock button and outer door handle request switch enable opening or closing all windows from outside the car. In hot sunshine the car can be ventilated, or a window left open can be closed, without having to get back into the car. The Mazda3 facelift’s integrated audio system includes a 20 GB hard disk drive with capac¬ity to store up to approximately 3000 tracks recorded from CDs, as well as a CD player and AM/FM tuner (depending on market offer).

High Levels of Safety
The Mazda3 facelift’s standard active safety package includes four-wheel disc brakes with ventilated 278 mm discs at the front and solid 265 mm discs at the rear (for the MZR 2.0-litre, 300 mm at the front and 280 mm at the rear), 4W-ABS, EBD and emergency brake assist. Dynamic stability control (DSC) is also available for stable handling. In addition, auto light and rain-sensing wiper systems help to maintain clear visibility of the road in bad weather and during night driving.

Mazda3 facelift’s passive safety systems feature a rigid body shell that provides excep¬tional collision safety. For occupant protection, front dual airbags are standard, and side and curtain airbags are available as well (depending on market and grade). In addition, the shape of the tilt and telescopic steering column adjustment lever is modified, and impact-absorbing material is installed to the steering column, to help reduce the possibility of injury to the driver’s knees. A collapsible brake pedal helps reduce the risk of lower leg injury in a frontal collision, and both the front and rear seats have a seatbelt reminder to confirm whether seatbelts are buckled or not.

[eting_pro5]

For those of you who haven't figured it out, the power numbers converted to not metric (English?)

Torque: 280 lbs.-ft.

HP: ~247 hp


....Not sure that I'm digging the fog lights on the sedan redesign

[CHICO2003]

Talk about ironic! We've been clamoring for some info on this car for what seems like years. Now that it's finally available, I almost feel like we have TOO much info! Does anyone have the crip notes on this bad boy?

Seriously though... good work! No clue how you got this info so fast but hats off.

[CHICO2003]

For those of you who haven't figured it out, the power numbers converted to not metric (English?)

Torque: 280 lbs.-ft.

HP: ~247 hp


....Not sure that I'm digging the fog lights on the sedan redesign

the fog lights blow. they're going old school (well... late 90s protege) with that look. those power numbers seem pretty damn good though!

[Antoine]

Talk about ironic! We've been clamoring for some info on this car for what seems like years. Now that it's finally available, I almost feel like we have TOO much info! Does anyone have the crip notes on this bad boy?

Seriously though... good work! No clue how you got this info so fast but hats off.

The all-new Mazda3 MPS takes its place as the flagship of the Mazda3 facelift line up and is the second MPS sports model after the Mazda6 MPS, launched just two months ago in Europe. The Mazda3 MPS has a distinctly MPS design that combines a refined, yet strong and sporty road presence that is carried over into the interior with look and feel that evolves Mazda craftsmanship and quality even further. Mazda3 MPS is outfitted with Mazda’s 2.3-litre DISI* Turbo petrol engine in a front engine, front-wheel drive (FWD) layout that produces more than 184 kW/250 PS at 5,500 rpm** and maximum torque of 380 Nm at 3,000 rpm**. This not only makes Mazda3 MPS one of the most powerful and responsive compact sports models with FWD, it combines this with a stiffer body shell and a suspension with 60 percent improvement in roll stiffness versus the Mazda3 facelift standard model for superior Zoom-Zoom handling attributes. Mazda’s petrol direct injection technology not only makes the new Mazda3 MPS powerful, it is also Euro Stage IV compliant with fuel consumption levels that are particularly good for a car with this kind of performance.

Wongpres is the MAN x10!!!

[ZoomVT]

yeah i am not sure about thesedan redesign. i would have to see it in person.
They changed soemthing about the hood and the grill, butsomething doesnt look quite right, i feel like it lost some aggressivenes(sp?). it looks milder to me, but i could be biased because i hate the fact that the MS3 is only coming as a hatch.
I do like the wheels a little more than our current stocks.

[boostisgood]

Holy Horsepower batman. Thats alot of power in that little rocket. I smell a direct attack at the SRT-4 (no longer produced 05 was the last year)

I like the dark one, but I wont get one right away. No AWD, so Ill pick one up used in a few years if I dont get the Challenger. :D

[Antoine]

I don't know...I keep looking at it...It's growing on me fast...It already has a really nice stance from the factory (could be euro specific suspension?) and the front end is more refined. I can already imagine what a modified one may look like and I'm liking what I see :D

[boostisgood]

well we all know that we are gonna have to wait at least 6 months before it would hit the states. They gotta sell off all the MS6's I would assume.

[Mp5978]

So much power going to the front wheel. I hope they make AWD optional.

[nate0123]

So much power going to the front wheel. I hope they make AWD optional.(hand)

[We Are Ninja]

Holy Horsepower batman. Thats alot of power in that little rocket. I smell a direct attack at the SRT-4 (no longer produced 05 was the last year)...
Dodge isn't resting on it's laurels, though. They've got a 300 hp answer... (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/Weareninja/05-1414_3035.jpg) The FWD performance segment has gotten real interesting.

Still, the new bodywork does wonders for the 3; and those EVO/STi-baiting numbers. I wonder how much they'll sell the Mazdaspeed 3's for...

[jmv]

Dodge isn't resting on it's laurels, though. They've got a 300 hp answer... (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/Weareninja/05-1414_3035.jpg) The FWD performance segment has gotten real interesting.

Still, the new bodywork does wonders for the 3; and those EVO/STi-baiting numbers. I wonder how much they'll sell the Mazdaspeed 3's for...


isn't the caliber quite heavy though?? If i recall, its 0-60 time is about the same as the neon version.

[CHICO2003]

they've already released the 0-60 time for the caliber srt-4?

[Mounty]

What is the weight of the MS3 vs. a loaded S Grand Touring?

[spacemonkey]

amazing...look at that interior

[Newf]

I don't know...I keep looking at it...It's growing on me fast...It already has a really nice stance from the factory (could be euro specific suspension?) and the front end is more refined. I can already imagine what a modified one may look like and I'm liking what I see :D

I feel the same way. But I REALLY don't want to jump into a hatch again. But, as much as I hate the idea, the hatch was usefull. Killer is, I'd be willing to bet that if I jumped into this car this year, I'd bet my life there would be a sedan version next year so I'd have to kick myself in the ass.

6.1 to 60? Their being conservative again like the MS6. I'd bet a lauch would be tricky but it should get to 60 in around 5.5 for sure.

[CHICO2003]

6.1? that would be nothing short of pathetic. Wasn't the best MSP time 6.7?

[Mazda3]

6.1? that would be nothing short of pathetic. Wasn't the best MSP time 6.7?

While considering Mazda said 6.6 for the MS6 and all the tests are ranging from 5.3 to 5.8, I would say the MS3 will be well into the 5sec range.

Can you imagine the pull in 3rd gear in this baby?!?! (drive2) (boom06)

[hyck]

it does come with lsd right ?

[CHICO2003]

that was the last one... this one's on crack instead.

[BlueMonsta]

it does come with lsd right ?
it does, read the article.
"A newly-developed limited slip differ¬ential is also adopted to provide ample torque to the inner wheel during hard cornering for smooth, predictable driving in the curve."

but shouldn't it be the outer wheel that gets more torque?
if the inner wheel gets more torque, wouldn't it cause understeering?

[Breeegz]

Think we'll find out when Mazda will sell it over here?

[Mazda3Rookie]

250km/h electronically limited? 280lb torque? 60% more roll stiffness? AAAAARGH!!! I got drool all over my keyboard...................

Well, now I have to find a "rational" justification to trade-in my 2006 M3 Touring. I already have a 5-door, so that's one less blocking point (poke)

I love how subtly aggressive the car looks in the picture. I can see already the look on the face of the drivers of "others" flashier sporty compacts being smoked by this little beast. (first)

[DutchMP5]

(10) I want one for sure.....

[dmitrik4]

stabilizer bars: 26mm front, 25mm rear. wow.

[Stormtrooper77]

stabilizer bars: 26mm front, 25mm rear. wow.

Either this car will a hell of a lot better than anyone expected or that is just compensation as to how heavy the car will be. I guess we'll find out.

Note: MS6 was a porker.

[dmitrik4]

probably both. i agree that the MS6 is a bit of a piggy (although not flagrantly so in that class), and it's one of the reasons i'm glad the MS3 isn't AWD. it's heavy enough as it is.

that said, 25mm is a huge rear bar, esp w/ that spring rate ratio. i haven't worked out the N/mm --> ft/in yet, but 33f and 30r is pretty far off the typical f/r stagger.

i'm thinking this might be a kick-ass D Stock car. too bad the wheels are only 7".

[Rennoc]

Im just pumped about the 6-speed and the uprgraded suspension, this car is going to destroy the competition. I am very impressed with the styling and the over all power

[jeffmsp]

makes you wonder how its gonna react to a 3" turboback, FMIC and EMS.. Zoom Zoom To bad theres no awd, i already have a front wheel spinner but it should make those that dont have one quite happy.

[We Are Ninja]

The six-speed and the hp/torque figures sound awesome. I still can't wrap my head around the looks, though. I see it and I think mini minivan... Crazy-torquey mini minivan...

[NJP5Guy]

250km/h electronically limited? 280lb torque? 60% more roll stiffness? AAAAARGH!!! I got drool all over my keyboard...................


(first)

i got more than drool on my keyboard. :)

[eting_pro5]

Doesn't the MS6 make 256 HP in Europe? If they're putting the MS3 and MS6 so close in Europe, could they do it here also?


Not that I'm bitching about 250 HP, just something to think about. Discuss.

[RHAGEL]

I'm impressed. Especially since the 2.0 in Europe is getting the 6 speed manual. That is a good indication that our 2.3 S will get one also. I know the new Sentra is offering a 6 speed, so this will be good to see. Automobile Magazine had a lond term test on a S hatch and I know they made comments on wanting another gear. Now what about the price...still waiting on that.

[CitizenPro]

Anybody know the wieght on this bad boy??

2900lbs maybe??? not sure what the wieght is on the current Mazda3

[nate0123]

the Mazda3 hatch

2826 lb

[sillyMSP187]

Is the intercooler still a top mount?

[spacemonkey]

Torque is good for daily driving as it provides much needed acceleration from a stop. But I prefer revs in a pure sports car.


I mean Revs as in S2000, Ferrari 360, BMW M5, BMW M6, BMW M3, Toyota 4AGE, Mazda Renisis...anything that redlines close to 8500 rpm

Its a nice car and I love the interior...great value for its money

I assume they are targeting the GTi with 6 speed, turbocharged engine and nice refined european inspired interior.

[illusis]

honsetly i dont like it. im disapointed about the front wheel drive. all wheel would have made me love it. the fogs dont look good imo. the numbers are pretty decent but hey hiboost bringing it up. im sure he can just make an upgrade for the MSP3 but hey us with the regular 3's still have it good. thanks for the info on the other hand.

[Antoine]

Yeah...Any confirmation on the weight...Unless I missed it...It's not in the press release...? I think we're all hoping it doesn't top 3000lbs!

[dmitrik4]

if the regular 3s is 2826, it's possible it might come in under 3000. with the turbo, IC, bigger wheels, bigger brakes, and 6-speed, 3000 is probably a reasonable guess. AWD would have been nice, but at ~3200-3300 lbs, no thanks. even the STI is under 3200, IIRC.

now, AWD + aluminum hood + aluminum hatch...THAT would have been nice, although $$$$. if they could've come in w/ AWD at 3000 lbs, (thumb). but not happening at a reasonable price point.

[CHICO2003]

but will it come in orange?

[spacemonkey]

honsetly i dont like it. im disapointed about the front wheel drive. all wheel would have made me love it. the fogs dont look good imo. the numbers are pretty decent but hey hiboost bringing it up. im sure he can just make an upgrade for the MSP3 but hey us with the regular 3's still have it good. thanks for the info on the other hand.

why do you say that? AWD would add weight and cost to the project. Im a firm believer that weight is the ultimate downfall of a good sports car. They should be as light as possible. I.e. Lotus, Ferrari, Corvette, Panagani Zonda. With a lighter car the car will respond better and break within shorter distances.

Not only that but we are talking about Mazda AWD. Not Subaru or Audi.

Theres a big difference because the MS6 does not use a Center diff. Meaning power to the rear wheels are controled via electronic clutch. That means 50% to the front or 50% to the back or 100% to the front. there is not in betwween on the power split to the back. It can only split 50% of its power to the rear wheels. Just like back int he day with full time AWD. Nowadays cars have center diffs that are usually Vicious or Torsen that can bias more torque to the rear wheels.

Good cars liek A quatro, Subaru, Lambo, Skyline GTR, and EVO MR are Rear wheel bias. Mazda AWD is FWD bias.

MEaning almost as much as 80% power can be sent to the back on cars like a Lambo. The MS6 cant do that with a electric clutch.

What does that mean? It means a Mazda AWD system will give you great launches and maybe pull you out of a corner quicker. But going in it will behave like a FWD car and understeer like a mother if your not careful. on the straights the power would be wasted because only 50% of it can be sent to the rear wheels if it slips...but 50% is still powering the front wheels. nothing will beat AWd in damp/wet condition but off the line Torque , good driving can also be a fairly good replacement for AWD on dry conditions.

I just dont think AWD is worht the extra weight in the car. it will probally add like 400-500 lbs. Which is crap because the weight will ruin the response (more weight to move) and it will also ruin the stoping power (more weight to stop).

Hence why you have cars like RX7 vs Skyline on a road course. a 2700-2800 lbs car vs a 3500-3600 lbs car. When RE amemyia beat the 800 hp MCR Skyline GTR...Tsuchiya sugested that the Skyline go on a diet. But like Skyline/supra syndrom they rather put more power in. Tsuchiya (drift king) actually thought it was a bad move an dthey should focus on sheading weight rather then putting more power. Power does nothign for control. Sheding weight does alot for agility.

AWD takes years/generations of perfection. Look at how long it took audi to get it right. AWD is a trademark that not everyone can do. I has the opposit thought...I was disapointed that MAzda developed AWD. I mean sure it had the GTX but the AWD in the MS6 isnt significantly different from 80s AWD technology. Except instead of full time AWD it can bias its power to the front. You want it to bias its power to the back. Infact you want hte ECU to automatically bias power to the rear wheels and rely on a good diff lock map from the factory

[RODSCALIP5]

Im wondering when will the NA debut will be? I hope they do not change a damn thing on this car, especially the seats. I am excited about this car, at first I was disappointed about the AWD, then I woke up and realized I live in CA :D. I have plans already and as soon as they start taking deposits, I will be the first in line. BTW, I hope they fix the issues they were having with the MS6.

[CHICO2003]

why do you say that? AWD would add weight and cost to the project. Im a firm believer that weight is the ultimate downfall of a good sports car. They should be as light as possible. I.e. Lotus, Ferrari, Corvette, Panagani Zonda. With a lighter car the car will respond better and break within shorter distances.

Not only that but we are talking about Mazda AWD. Not Subaru or Audi.

Theres a big difference because the MS6 does not use a Center diff. Meaning power to the rear wheels are controled via electronic clutch. That means 50% to the front or 50% to the back or 100% to the front. there is not in betwween on the power split to the back. It can only split 50% of its power to the rear wheels. Just like back int he day with full time AWD. Nowadays cars have center diffs that are usually Vicious or Torsen that can bias more torque to the rear wheels.

Good cars liek A quatro, Subaru, Lambo, Skyline GTR, and EVO MR are Rear wheel bias. Mazda AWD is FWD bias.

MEaning almost as much as 80% power can be sent to the back on cars like a Lambo. The MS6 cant do that with a electric clutch.

What does that mean? It means a Mazda AWD system will give you great launches and maybe pull you out of a corner quicker. But going in it will behave like a FWD car and understeer like a mother if your not careful. on the straights the power would be wasted because only 50% of it can be sent to the rear wheels if it slips...but 50% is still powering the front wheels. nothing will beat AWd in damp/wet condition but off the line Torque , good driving can also be a fairly good replacement for AWD on dry conditions.

I just dont think AWD is worht the extra weight in the car. it will probally add like 400-500 lbs. Which is crap because the weight will ruin the response (more weight to move) and it will also ruin the stoping power (more weight to stop).

Hence why you have cars like RX7 vs Skyline on a road course. a 2700-2800 lbs car vs a 3500-3600 lbs car. When RE amemyia beat the 800 hp MCR Skyline GTR...Tsuchiya sugested that the Skyline go on a diet. But like Skyline/supra syndrom they rather put more power in. Tsuchiya (drift king) actually thought it was a bad move an dthey should focus on sheading weight rather then putting more power. Power does nothign for control. Sheding weight does alot for agility.

AWD takes years/generations of perfection. Look at how long it took audi to get it right. AWD is a trademark that not everyone can do. I has the opposit thought...I was disapointed that MAzda developed AWD. I mean sure it had the GTX but the AWD in the MS6 isnt significantly different from 80s AWD technology. Except instead of full time AWD it can bias its power to the front. You want it to bias its power to the back. Infact you want hte ECU to automatically bias power to the rear wheels and rely on a good diff lock map from the factory

(deadhorse Ok ok!!! All us awd fans need to just give up already. Going in, I too was dissapointed with it being fwd. After hearing the message above 8 million times, I now realize that Mazda's awd system sucks and that it wouldn't be a good fit for this car. (though, is 280 lb/ft tq to the front wheels a good fit either? it'll be a miracle if this thing doesn't also come with a $hitload of torque steer.

I guess the bottom line is... in this price range, if you want a car with awd, your best bet is to just get a WRX.

[CHICO2003]

Im wondering when will the NA debut will be? I hopw they do not change a damn thing on this car, especially the seats. I am excited about this car, at first I was disappointed about the AWD, then I woke up and realized I live in CA :D. I have plans already and as soon as they start taking deposits, I will be the first in line. BTW, I hope they fix the issues they were having with the MS6.


as pointless as awd may be in california, fwd is equally (if not more) pointless. How anyone who's into performance cars and lives in an area that doesn't see any snow would pass on a RWD car is beyond me. While I realize the sport compact segment isn't exactly loade with RWD offerings, for a little more ching, you can get an RX-8 or even a 350z.

[InFeXIoN]

I talked to a person at mazda the other day, and the reason they didnt go with awd is because its to short for the drivetrain, that they use.

[spacemonkey]

It will come with a torque limiter like the SRT-4. And like our cars in 1st gear. I would think a good suspention would be very important in keeping that power down. Plus good tires and diff.

Gearing dosnt look too bad for 280 lbs of torque. But hell yeah that is alot of torque for a 2800 lbs car. its nearly 10% of the car's weight. I woudl rather drive carefully then dump the clutch with the gas pedal to the floor.

doesnt really matter to me because you barely stop and go in road racing...and you dont need a hard launch either. In drag its a different story. Hopefully the tranny will be kind to slicks.

ironic...torque in a Mazda?

[spacemonkey]

I talked to a person at mazda the other day, and the reason they didnt go with awd is because its to short for the drivetrain, that they use.

That and besides the cost as noted before. FWD saves gas, cheaper to make and instal, and economical. BS on the drive train...there are cars with shorter wheel base that are AWD. the chasis itself might not be fit for a driveshaft (no driveshaft tunnel) and rear suspention design might not allow for a rear diff. Which is probally what they meant. R&D is a cost they dont want to pay or put a rear diff and DS....if they want to fit this around 21-22K . It probally could be done but at a cost.

This isnt focused on 35 year old wall street type person...thats the MS6 They are focusing on highschoolers and college kids. people in their 20s.

[eting_pro5]

Im wondering when will the NA debut will be? I hope they do not change a damn thing on this car, especially the seats. I am excited about this car, at first I was disappointed about the AWD, then I woke up and realized I live in CA :D. I have plans already and as soon as they start taking deposits, I will be the first in line. BTW, I hope they fix the issues they were having with the MS6.

I'm guessing New York Auto Show. April 13-26

[RODSCALIP5]

as pointless as awd may be in california, fwd is equally (if not more) pointless. How anyone who's into performance cars and lives in an area that doesn't see any snow would pass on a RWD car is beyond me. While I realize the sport compact segment isn't exactly loade with RWD offerings, for a little more ching, you can get an RX-8 or even a 350z.

Or a Mazda Kabura :D. The RX8 and 350 are nice cars, but some of us need the 4 doors or 5 doors(MS3). I would still have my P5 had it come with a little more zoom.

[CHICO2003]

that's why I said the RX-8 Though they're suicide, there are still 4 doors there. As far as the 'need' for the 5th door... come on! you've got a WRX. sedan or wagon? if sedan... guess that proves my point. to me, the difference in space between the 5 and 4 door is minimal. I'm still hoping they bring a sedan version to the states. since those europeans love their hatches, I suppose that's reason enough to believe it's possible.

[CHICO2003]

That and besides the cost as noted before. FWD saves gas, cheaper to make and instal, and economical. BS on the drive train...there are cars with shorter wheel base that are AWD. the chasis itself might not be fit for a driveshaft (no driveshaft tunnel) and rear suspention design might not allow for a rear diff. Which is probally what they meant. R&D is a cost they dont want to pay or put a rear diff and DS....if they want to fit this around 21-22K . It probally could be done but at a cost.

This isnt focused on 35 year old wall street type person...thats the MS6 They are focusing on highschoolers and college kids. people in their 20s.

35 year old wall street type? LOL I only know a couple but they're all drivin beemers. Anyway.... your price is off, way off. $21-$22k doesn't even buy you a loaded 5 (withough the nav). We can all dream that the MS3 will cost less than the current top of the line but that's just wishful thinking. Though no one can say shit until it's made official, if I was a betting man (and I am) I'd go with a base price of $23,795 for the stripped down version and $25,120 for the loaded (moonroof, etc) version.

[CHICO2003]

It will come with a torque limiter like the SRT-4. And like our cars in 1st gear...

Maybe it's just me but I don't want anyone limiting my torque! That falls in the same category as top speed governers. If I paid for a car with X amount of hp/torque I'd prefer to have it than not. But what about the torque steer? Exactly! I didn't know the SRT-4 had a torque limiter. If that's true, I suppose it's a good thing. Afterall, that car has some pretty serious acceleration and handles pretty well too. Seems like Mazda and (especially) Dodge are taking this FWD thing to a whole new level. And they thought 170 was too much for the MSP! I guess they're getting smarter with how they manage it... what else could explain their decision to get into the 250-300hp range?

[RODSCALIP5]

that's why I said the RX-8 Though they're suicide, there are still 4 doors there. As far as the 'need' for the 5th door... come on! you've got a WRX. sedan or wagon? if sedan... guess that proves my point. to me, the difference in space between the 5 and 4 door is minimal. I'm still hoping they bring a sedan version to the states. since those europeans love their hatches, I suppose that's reason enough to believe it's possible.

You're right I got a Sedan :D. I still think they will bring the Sedan and Hatch!

[TheMAN]

It's like 39 pages and I'll try to post all the info later, but here are the summaries.

Note: All info is Euro-spec.

_______________________

* Antoine here...These are the converted euro specs for us "Americans".

power: ~184kW (250ps) @ 5500rpm (EEC net)
power: ~247hp @ 5500rpm
torque: 380Nm @ 3000rpm (EEC net)
torque: 280 ft/lb @ 3000rpm
fuel requirement: 98RON (93[R+M]/2)
fuel requirement: premium unleaded
fuel consumption: 9.7l/100km (ECE)
fuel consuption: ~24mpg
emissions compliancy: EuroIV
0-100km/h: 6.1s
0-62mph: 6.1s
50-100km/h (in 3rd gear): 4.2s
31-62mph (in 3rd gear): 4.2s
80-120km/h (in 5th gear): 5.4s
50-75mph (in 5th gear) 5.4s
spring rates:
(front): 33N/mm
(front): 188lb/in
(rear): 30N/mm
(rear): 171lb/in
stabilizer sizes:
(front): 26mm
(front): 1.02 in.
(rear): 25mm
(reaf): .98 in.

chassis rigidity has been upgraded, and suspension has been upgraded to have 60% increase in body roll stiffness.... flared front fenders are used (20mm wider than non-MPS models)... speedometer range has been increased to 174mph (versus 143mph on non-MPS models) but vehicle speed is ECU limited to 155mph... front disc brake size has been increased to 12.6 in. (11.8 in. for non-MPS "sport" model, 10.9 in. for others)

_______________________

Mazda3 MPS (i.e. Mazdaspeed3 in N. America):

The all-new Mazda3 MPS takes its place as the flagship of the Mazda3 facelift line up and is the second MPS sports model after the Mazda6 MPS, launched just two months ago in Europe. The Mazda3 MPS has a distinctly MPS design that combines a refined, yet strong and sporty road presence that is carried over into the interior with look and feel that evolves Mazda craftsmanship and quality even further. Mazda3 MPS is outfitted with Mazda’s 2.3-litre DISI* Turbo petrol engine in a front engine, front-wheel drive (FWD) layout that produces more than 184 kW/250 PS at 5,500 rpm** and maximum torque of 380 Nm at 3,000 rpm**. This not only makes Mazda3 MPS one of the most powerful and responsive compact sports models with FWD, it combines this with a stiffer body shell and a suspension with 60 percent improvement in roll stiffness versus the Mazda3 facelift standard model for superior Zoom-Zoom handling attributes. Mazda’s petrol direct injection technology not only makes the new Mazda3 MPS powerful, it is also Euro Stage IV compliant with fuel consumption levels that are particularly good for a car with this kind of performance.

Mazda3 refresh:

Since its launch in 2003, Mazda3 has become Mazda’s best-selling vehicle and the company has even had to increase production to meet global demand. To further enhance its global popularity, Mazda has refreshed its compact star’s line-up in a 2006 version with enhanced design and comfort, optimized performance and even higher levels of interior quality feel. New exterior enhancements to both the modern and elegant sedan and the sporty hatchback further support a standard Mazda3 line up with two distinct models for customers to choose from. The Mazda3 face-lift’s petrol engine line up features three MZR aggregates – a 2.0-litre, a 1.6-litre, and a base 1.4-litre (depending on market offer) – all of them further optimized so the model can continue to be one of the better driving cars in its segment and adds a new six-speed trans*mission for the top-end petrol. The Mazda3 facelift retains the two derivatives of the MZ*CD 1.6-litre common-rail turbo diesel engine for European customers (depending on market offer), both offering high torque and power with low diesel fuel consumption. Added to this are enhancements to the body shell along with improved damper performance and improved aerodynamics for even better handling, stability and driving fun. Overall comfort has also been improved with more insulation against road noise, revised tyres and reduced suspension vibration. Features newly added to the line up, like available advanced keyless entry and a 20 gigabyte hard disc drive audio system (depending on market offer), make the Mazda3 facelift even easier to use and enjoy on a daily basis.





gee, I wonder who typed up those specs :rolleyes:
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2321870&postcount=364

[Antoine]

Common man...I'm not taking credit for it...Sheesh...Specs are Specs...You don't have copyright on it...Take it easy and stay on topic.

* EDIT...It's actually Rogue Pro5 that did the conversion.

Now let's get back to discussing the MS3 :D

[TheMAN]

(deadhorse Ok ok!!! All us awd fans need to just give up already. Going in, I too was dissapointed with it being fwd. After hearing the message above 8 million times, I now realize that Mazda's awd system sucks and that it wouldn't be a good fit for this car. (though, is 280 lb/ft tq to the front wheels a good fit either? it'll be a miracle if this thing doesn't also come with a $hitload of torque steer.

I guess the bottom line is... in this price range, if you want a car with awd, your best bet is to just get a WRX.

AWD = hype

[spacemonkey]

35 year old wall street type? LOL I only know a couple but they're all drivin beemers. Anyway.... your price is off, way off. $21-$22k doesn't even buy you a loaded 5 (withough the nav). We can all dream that the MS3 will cost less than the current top of the line but that's just wishful thinking. Though no one can say shit until it's made official, if I was a betting man (and I am) I'd go with a base price of $23,795 for the stripped down version and $25,120 for the loaded (moonroof, etc) version.

I was only being playful when I said wallstreet type. But in reality that what Mazda said....when they designed the MS6 they were not lookng for the "boy street racer" look. i.e. everyone was like OH AWD....4 DOORS! It must be a STi Competator! They were infact targeting people who want to buy a Subaru Legacy and even Audis by offering a pretty good value at a cheaper price.

My reasoning for the price is as follows

Base Mazda 3 $16-17K depending on dealer....fully loaded $19K. 19K + 1-3K for the engine = 22-23K. Maybe 24K max because of a 6 speed

Difference between a Mazda 3 and MS3. Engine, tranny and some suspention.

I mean it does have similar specs to a Dodge SRT-4 and thats going for $21,295. Same thing based off a Neon (16-17K car) with a fancy engine and tranny. But since the SRT-4 will be discontinued its sales isnt a threat to where Mazda will have to price competatively. I see it as alittle more then that. But I dont see it being sold for $25,000. Because IMO no FWD car should be over $22K Saab found that out the hard way. Acura found that out the hard way and thus they are investing alot in AWD technology. Because you can hmmm buy a WRX impreza for $25K. And when you are targeting the boy racer type you need to attract them with good value over the next level (WRX). Isnt that why people buy the SRT-4? For $21K thats nearly 4-5K cheaper then the WRX and is full loaded.

But my biggest reason for the price is its closest competator....VW GTI. A VW GTI is a hatch and has a turbo FWD 2.0L engine. And in Europe its sure to be competative in sales next to the ford Focus ST( also a C1 platform like the MS3). And thats priced around $22K. MS3 specs are alittle better so perhaps 23K :dunno: if they charge $25K then thats a disadvantage as consumers will look for other possibilities...its puts a doubt in their mind. ie "is the car really worth $25K when I can get a WRX for that price. or a fully loaded GTI for cheaper."

What does this sound like?

Base Mazda protege $15-17K Full loaded Mazdaspeed PRotege 21-22K

Difference between a Protege and MSP. Tranny, turbo on engine, sound system, rims, suspention....

either way when its released its going to be like the MSP...how they wanted 22K for it. And how delaers threw on another 5K becuase its was a "limited eidition production sports car" And then they had the $3K off and thats when I bought mine for 18K

Not saying they couldnt charge that much...if its a car they already said Mazda isnt looking to make alot of money off of. And given car prices are a bit different then 3 years ago.

I know its not the best example but im trying to look at Mazda's pricing stragegy on the Mazdaspeed 6. But the base price is not all that different from a fully loaded Mazda 6s

And I can see how MS3 can be $25K fully loaded. but I still think thats alot. Keeping in mind that a MS6 has AWD compared to MS3.

[We Are Ninja]

AWD = hype
IMO, that's right. I used to be a "AWD supremecist". I did the AWD thing when the WRX debuted in the States. I wanted a GC8, but there were none available so I settled for one of the bug-eyed GD chassis' in 2.5RS form. AWD was awesome in adverse conditions, but, in all honesty, it wasn't a whole lot more engaging than any other car I'd driven; at least not in day to day driving. It behaved a whole helluva lot like a soft FWD car. I'm sure the WRX and STi were better and best, respectively, but a well-sorted, well-tuned car is a well-sorted car, well-tuned, regardless of the drivetrain.

[NegatiZE]

From The Car Lounge:
http://www.thecarlounge.net/gallery/albums//Events/International%20Auto%20Shows/Geneva/2006/Overall%20Gallery/049.jpg
http://www.thecarlounge.net/gallery/albums//Events/International%20Auto%20Shows/Geneva/2006/Overall%20Gallery/050.jpg

[FBI14]

Front end looks a little odd but its not bad

[FBI14]

I may have missed this in the write up about the car but does it say how much boost its running anywhere?

[Mounty]

Here's the write-up at Edmunds.com. I'll quote some from the article, otherwise, follow the link.

"That's because Mazda engineers found a way to stuff the Mazdaspeed 6's turbocharged 2.3-liter inline four under the hood of this five-door hatchback. We had doubted the operation would be possible, given that it was already a squeeze to get this intercooled turbo four into the midsize 6, which had to be fitted with a domed hood."

'"We changed the 3's dash to accommodate the new engine," Program Manager Tatsuo Maeda explained. "There's a slight indentation in the new dash panel to accommodate it. Also, the hood is raised 20mm."'

"...Mazda is giving an "over 250" horsepower estimate for this 3 compared to 274 on the 6, due to different exhaust routing and emissions equipment. Torque should hold steady around 280 at 3,000 rpm."

"...Mazda has released a 6.1-second 0-to-60-mph estimate, though Mazda reps told us the car would do it in "under 6." Top speed is electronically limited to 155 mph."

"A standard limited-slip differential should tighten the Mazdaspeed 3's line when exiting turns, and Mazda says torque steer won't be a problem, thanks to precise control over power delivery through the first four gears."

"What's Edmunds' Take?
The '07 Dodge Caliber SRT-4 looked pretty scary when it debuted in Chicago with 300 hp. But with about 280 lb-ft of torque in the Mazdaspeed 3, it now looks like a much tighter battle. If Mazda's hot hatch weighs in lighter than the portly Caliber, it will likely prevail through the turns. — Erin Riches"

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/AutoshowArticles/articleId=109468

[memo79]

High-level Torque Management
A wide range of optimizations give this high-power, high-torque FWD vehicle greater ease of use with more comfortable driveability and handling. volume and boost pressure control suppress sudden torque peaks, assuring smooth, linear torque delivery. Additionally, torque characteristics from first through fourth gears are optimized to deliver appro¬priate drive power from take off. Torque control is also linked to the steering angle, and the stiff¬ness of the left and right drive shafts is balanced with the angles optimized to control torque steer. A newly-developed limited slip differ¬ential is also adopted to provide ample torque to the inner wheel during hard cornering for smooth, predictable driving in the curve.

Quit nagging about torque steer already.
Oh, and no, you can't, in fact, have your cake and eat it too.
That's why we don't drive 50-mpg AWD 4-passenger Formula 1 cars with a navigation system and touch-screen monitor and a hot chick stuffed under the steering column giving us road-head all the time. JEEZ!!

[MightyMouse]

Been waiting a long time for this, going to go to the dealer tonight and put a deposit on one. Anybody know what colours they will come in?

[nate0123]

Base Mazda 3 $16-17K depending on dealer....fully loaded $19K. 19K + 1-3K for the engine = 22-23K. Maybe 24K max because of a 6 speed

Difference between a Mazda 3 and MS3. Engine, tranny and some suspention.haha... have you ever actually priced a Mazda3?

I just built an S hatch GT online for $26k+

[seanw]

the Mazda3 hatch

2826 lb
Finally! I was zipping through these posts wondering when someone would say how much the beast weighs. 247 / 2826 = .0874 HP/wt. ratio. Now if I can just find the MS6 thread where did the calculations for a whole slew of cars . . . . Whoa, just noticed thats the weight for the 3 hatch. With stiffening work, etc. the MS3 has to weigh more.

[NJP5Guy]

haha... have you ever actually priced a Mazda3?

I just built an S hatch GT online for $26k+

you must have had every option on the planet. you can get one for under 20g

[jeffmsp]

im now realizing the cost of a built motor and bigger clutch + my trade in would = a new MS3. 6 speed and a bigger motor to start off with sounds nice too. the more im thinking about it the less im hating it and seeing its potential. maybe ill wait til theres 0% financing and $2000 trading dollars againand get into another new speed. id get a brand loyalty discount too. this is sounding better and better. any idea of the starting price in CDN?

[dmitrik4]

Finally! I was zipping through these posts wondering when someone would say how much the beast weighs. 247 / 2826 = .0874 HP/wt. ratio. Now if I can just find the MS6 thread where did the calculations for a whole slew of cars . . . . Whoa, just noticed thats the weight for the 3 hatch. With stiffening work, etc. the MS3 has to weigh more.

figure slightly north of 3000 with the turbo hardware and bigger wheels/brakes/etc. for comparison, that's about what a 2002-2005 WRX sedan weighed.

[ChopstickHero]

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=upcomingMS3

click on the Visit Auto Show link to see a new flash page they put up.

[Antoine]

Hot damn...Mazda is bold...and I quote:


No doubt, MAZDASPEED3 will be at the top of the sport compact class.

[Mounty]

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=upcomingMS3

click on the Visit Auto Show link to see a new flash page they put up.

The rear spoiler shown on the MazdaUSA site and that on the Geneva Motor Show car are different! The NA spec MS3 has a raised spoiler and I think it's more agressive.

Also, it seems that NA spec will have the rear side-maker while the Euro won't.

[Antoine]

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=upcomingMS3

click on the Visit Auto Show link to see a new flash page they put up.

Thanks for the heads up Chopstick...I've posted another thread to spread the word: MAZDASPEED3 pics on MazdaUSA.com!!! (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123627486)

[spacemonkey]

haha... have you ever actually priced a Mazda3?

I just built an S hatch GT online for $26k+

wow you are gettin riped off.

I need to teach you a thing or 2 about shopping for cars. I always get fantastic deals on every car my family buys. I got them to give $1k more on my trade in and sell me a MSP out the door for $17-18 (without my trade in) and end up with $185 a month payment. 1st time I went in he threw numbers at me. I used my finance degree to find all the BS charges. Take out my paper with calculation and what I wanted. and told him to take the deal or your wasting my time. He said "good bye" and next day (sunday morning) he called me and said, "are you still interested in the MSP? We'll take your offer." #1 mistake people do is "what is my monthly payment." That doesnt tell you much about what they added on. people also dont take the time to negotiate...dealers want to sell cars. They are more then happy to deal with you (resaonable offers). Even with tactics like, "I have to run this by my boss." You eye cars that have been on the lot for weeks...because its costing them over head and space. Plus you try edmonds to see what the dealer invoice is and see how much they mock it up. knowing they do make money on trade ins. And use that as leverage or use otehr dealers as leverage. dealer to dealer can be very competative...especially if they are volume sellers. Discount they gave me was easily made up for how much they were selling my trade in. And plus when you trade in your not taxed. Also there are months where the deals are better. end of the year clearence or if the next model is drastically different.

Dealers love adding incentives/hidden charges. You basically tell them to fuck off if they add $800 lug nut tax.

what you do pay $500 for factory floor mats...lol. or $1k for Mazdaspeed mudflaps...lol. Theres no way it would be $26K unless you add every single BS option. or if you delaer loves adding incentives. Or you live int he artic where they have to airlift your car to you.

Even if you thorw in a grand touring 3 hatch manual with DVD navigation ($1700) and Moon roof/stero package ($1300) it would still come out like $22-23K. And I wasnt even talking about that since I was refering to base prices. But anyways heres my pricing and build ona a Mazda3 s gradn tourning with Navigation/Bose stero/moonroof....came out under $23K...fully loaded.

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/selectConfigOptions.action?buttonAction=finish&vehicleCode=M3H&modelYear=2006&mscCode=BR9PNAG&packages=PP_2MC&options=NV_NV1&x=75&y=16

Where do you end up with $26K for a MAzda 3?

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=modelsSpecs&vehicleCode=M3H

[Breeegz]

Finally! I was zipping through these posts wondering when someone would say how much the beast weighs. 247 / 2826 = .0874 HP/wt. ratio. Now if I can just find the MS6 thread where did the calculations for a whole slew of cars . . . . Whoa, just noticed thats the weight for the 3 hatch. With stiffening work, etc. the MS3 has to weigh more.

I think pounds per HP is more useful.

11.4 pounds/HP

[TheMAN]

The rear spoiler shown on the MazdaUSA site and that on the Geneva Motor Show car are different! The NA spec MS3 has a raised spoiler and I think it's more agressive.

Also, it seems that NA spec will have the rear side-maker while the Euro won't.

I'm willing to bet they will all have the side marker to cut production costs on the bumper mold just like how the current normal bumpers are.... it's cheaper for them to have one mold for the whole world and then have red side markers for north america, and amber for the rest of the world

[njaremka]

I'm willing to bet they will all have the side marker to cut production costs on the bumper mold just like how the current normal bumpers are.... it's cheaper for them to have one mold for the whole world and then have red side markers for north america, and amber for the rest of the world

the new MX-5 has different bumpers for north america vs. the world. why can't the new MS3?

[Antoine]

Aren't the safety requirements different from region to region? That is why you can't simply import a car from Japan or Europe in the U.S. that hasn't passed stateside crash tests?

[Mz3Hatch]

i can start off by saying thank you mazda for making it HATCH! car looks gorgeous.. i dont know if im wild about the rims though.. might have to find something different to put on it.. as for hp numbers, i think im in love.. this car i believe will definitely break into the 13 second range for 1/4 mile times.. as i and a few others have said months ago, its here to rival the SRT and to keep with the STi and EVO XIII with a little tweaking (thumb) .. when is the US debut? i must get on a wiating list, my 3 is 18 months old with 48400 miles.. time to dump it soon..

[Breeegz]

^^Juan from hiboost has a 500 whp 11 second Mazda 3... hopefully that can attest to the potential if the Speed3...

I never thought I'd say this, but I am considering trading my P5 in for one... it's the 6speed, It's something I wished for in my P5 in my 40000 miles of highway cruzing

[njaremka]

^^Juan from hiboost has a 500 whp 11 second Mazda 3... hopefully that can attest to the potential if the Speed3...

I never thought I'd say this, but I am considering trading my P5 in for one... it's the 6speed, It's something I wished for in my P5 in my 40000 miles of highway cruzing

Even though the gear ratios haven't been released yet, i'm willing to bet that top gear on the 6-speed will be similar to top gear on the 5-speed, just closer ratios for shifting.

[Breeegz]

the press release mentioned a Sixth gear to improve milage, so I imagine that it's a little longer gear, prolly not much, but longer indeed

-Beau

[Breeegz]

Six-Speed Manual Transmission
The new Mazda3 MPS employs the six-speed manual transmission introduced with the Mazda6 MPS that provides the driver with the pleasure of having full control over the vehicle’s high power, while contributing to a quiet ride and better fuel economy. A compact three-shaft design made it possible to keep the over¬all length the same as for the five-speed manual transmission used in the base model. In addi¬tion, Mazda3 MPS’s six-speed transmission uses wide gear ratios to fully exploit the wide
torque band of the direct-injection turbo¬charged engine. The transmission’s high-ratio sixth gear contributes to a quieter ride and improves fuel economy during high-speed cruising. Triple-cone synchronizers for first through third gears and a double-cone synchronizer for fourth gear assure ample sync capacity to enable a short, clean-action shift stroke and comfortable shift feel.


seee! (poke)

[njaremka]

eh, even better. i musta missed that. I'm hoping its here when i'm ready to get rid of my civic.

[Rock]

i can start off by saying thank you mazda for making it HATCH! car looks gorgeous.. i dont know if im wild about the rims though.. might have to find something different to put on it.. as for hp numbers, i think im in love.. this car i believe will definitely break into the 13 second range for 1/4 mile times.. as i and a few others have said months ago, its here to rival the SRT and to keep with the STi and EVO XIII with a little tweaking (thumb) .. when is the US debut? i must get on a wiating list, my 3 is 18 months old with 48400 miles.. time to dump it soon..

Wow, that's a LOT of mileage. Mine is a little over 2.5years and has 6700miles...
got to love having a job that's a 20mile daily commute.
I agree with the wheel choice, but IMHO it's the most "neutral" wheel design you can go with. I'll probably sell them to someone as soon as I get new wheels/tires. Depending on car colors I'll be going with Falken Hanabe's again, or Motegi traklites on Falken Azenis RT-615 in 225/45/18 ^_^
yes, I know they are drag radials, but all I'll be doing when I get the MS3 is playing with it.
I've already went down to my dealer and had them put me on a call-back list when they find out more information about the car, like pricing, how much they'll give me for a trade, etc etc.

Anyone know what color options we'll have? The dealer knew less than I did about the car, but they did say it was probably going to come in 2 or 3 colors

[TheMAN]

Aren't the safety requirements different from region to region? That is why you can't simply import a car from Japan or Europe in the U.S. that hasn't passed stateside crash tests?

yes, but on some cars, they make the bumper covers the same for styling and cost reasons... that doesn't mean what's behind it is the same though... but I do know that the mark I miatas have the same bumpers for anywhere in the world, and that means it is technically possible to import a "roadster" from japan

[seanw]

I think pounds per HP is more useful.

11.4 pounds/HP
Yeah, you're right. Now if they would just tell us how much it'll weigh? I can't find it anywhere. I'm guessing they don't know yet since it hasn't been completely finalized for production?

[Breeegz]

Wow, that's a LOT of mileage. Mine is a little over 2.5years and has 6700miles...

from Nov 11, 2003 to the present and 41000+ I think I win...

[CHICO2003]

wow you are gettin riped off.

I need to teach you a thing or 2 about shopping for cars. I always get fantastic deals on every car my family buys. I got them to give $1k more on my trade in and sell me a MSP out the door for $17-18 (without my trade in) and end up with $185 a month payment. 1st time I went in he threw numbers at me. I used my finance degree to find all the BS charges. Take out my paper with calculation and what I wanted. and told him to take the deal or your wasting my time. He said "good bye" and next day (sunday morning) he called me and said, "are you still interested in the MSP? We'll take your offer." #1 mistake people do is "what is my monthly payment." That doesnt tell you much about what they added on. people also dont take the time to negotiate...dealers want to sell cars. They are more then happy to deal with you (resaonable offers). Even with tactics like, "I have to run this by my boss." You eye cars that have been on the lot for weeks...because its costing them over head and space. Plus you try edmonds to see what the dealer invoice is and see how much they mock it up. knowing they do make money on trade ins. And use that as leverage or use otehr dealers as leverage. dealer to dealer can be very competative...especially if they are volume sellers. Discount they gave me was easily made up for how much they were selling my trade in. And plus when you trade in your not taxed. Also there are months where the deals are better. end of the year clearence or if the next model is drastically different.

Dealers love adding incentives/hidden charges. You basically tell them to fuck off if they add $800 lug nut tax.

what you do pay $500 for factory floor mats...lol. or $1k for Mazdaspeed mudflaps...lol. Theres no way it would be $26K unless you add every single BS option. or if you delaer loves adding incentives. Or you live int he artic where they have to airlift your car to you.

Even if you thorw in a grand touring 3 hatch manual with DVD navigation ($1700) and Moon roof/stero package ($1300) it would still come out like $22-23K. And I wasnt even talking about that since I was refering to base prices. But anyways heres my pricing and build ona a Mazda3 s gradn tourning with Navigation/Bose stero/moonroof....came out under $23K...fully loaded.

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/selectConfigOptions.action?buttonAction=finish&vehicleCode=M3H&modelYear=2006&mscCode=BR9PNAG&packages=PP_2MC&options=NV_NV1&x=75&y=16

Where do you end up with $26K for a MAzda 3?

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=modelsSpecs&vehicleCode=M3H



wtf is this? dude... you need to calm your ass down. homez merely said what he BUILT the car. It's certainly possible (with every single option including nav) to get the car's STICKER PRICE up to $26k. He never said that's what he'd PAY. You inferred that he would pay that price and that he's clearly a dumbass when it comes to buying a car. How else would you explain your condescending tone in your lecture on how to buy a car? "I need to teach you a thing or two about buying a car" LMAO And wtf does a finance degree have to do with buying a car anyway? While it couldn't hurt, it certainly isn't mandatory.

Sorry man... I know it sounds like I'm coming down hard on you but take a step back and maybe you'll see it my way. Your response would have been far more appropriate if he actually said he was going to buy the car for sticker and mentioned he'd go about his "negotiating" in a "here's where I want my payments to be" manner. But he didn't... not even close! Just for the record, everything you said is accurate. Try not to come across as a "know-it-all". It's clear from your posts that you're a bright guy. Not to sound like a know-it-all myself but... a little modesty and tact can go a long way.

[Antoine]

Cool it guys...Back on topic...Thanks.

[AFwestPunk]

Wow i want a MS3 now...
Good collection of Specs and reports ya'll!!

[MightyMouse]

yes, but on some cars, they make the bumper covers the same for styling and cost reasons... that doesn't mean what's behind it is the same though... but I do know that the mark I miatas have the same bumpers for anywhere in the world, and that means it is technically possible to import a "roadster" from japan

Sorry, not right. Canada has higher bumper standards than the US or Japan. To import a Mark1 into Canada you have to install the stronger bumper beams. Or if you already have one in Canada, you can install the lighter US versions, just don't get caught... (boom07)

[spike blue]

I want one now!!! Any release dates in US???

[Breeegz]

I talked to my dealer and he said that more details will be released this spring at an Auto Show in the States... I'm excited.

[Mz3Hatch]

Auto Show? US? hmm.. New York Auto Show perhaps? since its been released in Europe, i'd assume they would show it here at the next available oppurtunity to peak interest in the car.. not like it needs any more interest than it already has! Ive been waiting for this day since july '04 when i bought mine..

[Antoine]

I talked to my dealer and he said that more details will be released this spring at an Auto Show in the States... I'm excited.

Would that be the NY Auto show?

[Antoine]

Auto Show? US? hmm.. New York Auto Show perhaps? since its been released in Europe, i'd assume they would show it here at the next available oppurtunity to peak interest in the car.. not like it needs any more interest than it already has! Ive been waiting for this day since july '04 when i bought mine..

Didn't see this post...Yeah...I'm thinking it will the NY Auto show...Anyone have a date on that?

[Hellnightkid]

0-60 6.1s:(

[low_psi]

I want one...

[p5sundevil]

I believe this will be my next car, i was all set to go to a WRX wagon in the next few months but now that this is an option....

Only thing so far I would like to see changed...
Go back to some nice 5star RacingHart or other aftermarket wheels...Id hate to see them keep those MS6 style wheels on the 3.
Hopefully it comes with good rubber as did the ladt few MS models,we know aftermarker bumpers/lips will be out shortly after release for those that dont like that fog style, and some CF pieces might do well to lighten the car.

I honestly hope this comes out in the same price range as the MSP 21-22k, if it does hit 23-24k it may be a little harder to sell, because all car companies have the basic philosophy on bargaining a limited edition vehicle your gonna have to buy it very close to sticker more than likely. WRX even retailing at 25k can be bought for 23 new if you know what your doing.

[Breeegz]

I hope this lasts a few years, then I'll get the second or third production year...

[medic195]

I wounder if its comming with the same turkey the protege did

[wongpres]

Didn't see this post...Yeah...I'm thinking it will the NY Auto show...Anyone have a date on that?

Apr 12-13 press, Apr 14-23 public.



Hopefully it comes with good rubber as did the last few MS models

Bridgestone Potenza RE050A (same as Mazdaspeed6).

[Rock]

Apr 12-13 press, Apr 14-23 public.



Bridgestone Potenza RE050A (same as Mazdaspeed6).

bleh poopy tires, I'm putting Falken Azenis 615's on that bitch (thumb)
So is it verified for sure that Mazda is unveiling the MS3 @ the NY show?

[mustangsvo85]

My boss at Tustin Mazda says the new Mazdaspeed 3 will be ALL WHEEL DRIVE, why does everything else say FWD?

[Breeegz]

that is what Mazda has been releasing at all these autoshows... Unless he knows something no-one else does...

[AFwestPunk]

Has a color tree been released yet? I sure as hell do not want to by a red car, I already attract to much attention to myself already.
Come on silver... daddy needs a new whip!

[Takumi]

Wow this is excellent! I always like the Mazda 3 styling but just not too fond of the power. Now with this new setup I think I m going to get one and add it in our family's stable. We have quite a few fast cars at home and this will really make a good daily driver.

Is Japanese, is cheap, it got performance, what more can I ask for. Hell fcuk the A3, I m going to get this Mazda 3 instead so I can stop driving the other cars and keep the miles down.

Just a question though, with this hatch styling, will it be able to accommodate large tires for cargo space? Something like 19 inch 315 rear and 19 235 in front as a set of tires? Family needs a car that is able to carry tires around. Don’t want to drive another SUV since there is already one that’s why the alterative was the A3. But since this car is so much better for the value, I think this will be a great daily driver + mods.

[Rogue]

if you drop the back seat down you'll probably be able to fit everything in.

[Takumi]

I find it weird that this car doesn't feature a hood scope. Wouldn't it be much more efficient for the intercooler if they have one? I read the article and though the bumper’s design directs the air to the intercooler, I think a hood scope is much needed. Otherwise it should be a FMIC.

[Antoine]

I find it weird that this car doesn't feature a hood scope. Wouldn't it be much more efficient for the intercooler if they have one? I read the article and though the bumper’s design directs the air to the intercooler, I think a hood scope is much needed. Otherwise it should be a FMIC.

Look to this community and the aftermarket for that ;)

[blizzard]

Just a question though, with this hatch styling, will it be able to accommodate large tires for cargo space? Something like 19 inch 315 rear and 19 235 in front as a set of tires? Family needs a car that is able to carry tires around. Don’t want to drive another SUV since there is already one that’s why the alterative was the A3. But since this car is so much better for the value, I think this will be a great daily driver + mods.

Yeah - what is with Mazda's stupid tire sizes? 215/45/18?!?!? 25.62" outside diameter... No Michelin PS2s in this size, no Goodyear Eagle F1s. In fact a total of 8 tires are all that tirerack.com lists in that size... Even the marginly larger 225/45/18 really has no options. What are we going to do - run way too small 225/40/18 so that we can get some Max performance tires? Lame...

Are you serious with the 315 width rear tires on a 3? There is no way right? I mean I have a Protege5, and the 3's arches are way bigger than my cars - but seriously - Corvette size. That is some craziness!!! (cheers)

[Breeegz]

^^ i think he meant in the hatch area... but it is kinda kryptic

[mustangsvo85]

i guess it is fwd, that sucks. its too much power for a backwords car.

[Takumi]

Yeah - what is with Mazda's stupid tire sizes? 215/45/18?!?!? 25.62" outside diameter... No Michelin PS2s in this size, no Goodyear Eagle F1s. In fact a total of 8 tires are all that tirerack.com lists in that size... Even the marginly larger 225/45/18 really has no options. What are we going to do - run way too small 225/40/18 so that we can get some Max performance tires? Lame...

Are you serious with the 315 width rear tires on a 3? There is no way right? I mean I have a Protege5, and the 3's arches are way bigger than my cars - but seriously - Corvette size. That is some craziness!!! (cheers)

I was referring to the 996 turbo we have at home.

Yes 215 is way too small. I wonder if 16 inch wheels will fit under those front brakes? Maybe getting a set of rims that is 16x7.5 or 16x8 depending on what they offer in the market. Don't feel like going 18's because 16's are definitely lighter and better and certainly what this car need. Also a set of FD 4 piston calipers with such power.

I m not too sure if it is a SRT-4 contender because that car is quite under rated from the factory. It dyno more hp at the wheels than what it says it have in the flywheel. I hope that this MPS isn't over rated like the RX-8 because it was a huge disappointment.

[njaremka]

I find it weird that this car doesn't feature a hood scope. Wouldn't it be much more efficient for the intercooler if they have one? I read the article and though the bumper’s design directs the air to the intercooler, I think a hood scope is much needed. Otherwise it should be a FMIC.

i assume its got a setup like the mazdaspeed6, with the top half of the grill being the "hood" scoop.

[Breeegz]

I was referring to the 996 turbo we have at home.

Yes 215 is way too small. I wonder if 16 inch wheels will fit under those front brakes? Maybe getting a set of rims that is 16x7.5 or 16x8 depending on what they offer in the market. Don't feel like going 18's because 16's are definitely lighter and better and certainly what this car need. Also a set of FD 4 piston calipers with such power.

I m not too sure if it is a SRT-4 contender because that car is quite under rated from the factory. It dyno more hp at the wheels than what it says it have in the flywheel. I hope that this MPS isn't over rated like the RX-8 because it was a huge disappointment.

maybe not SRT-4 in a drag race, but we hav'm everywhere else...

[AFwestPunk]

Colors? Any idea on the colors?
Why am I always ignored? lol

[Rogue]

nothing has been anounced concerning colors. Red is obvious. Hopefully they'll have some MS3 specific colors. What colors are offered for the MS6?

[Takumi]

nothing has been anounced concerning colors. Red is obvious. Hopefully they'll have some MS3 specific colors. What colors are offered for the MS6?

I for one is going to get a white car this time. No more exotic colors for me, just something simple and thats probably it. I hope they come with white as it is a very common and original color.

Are there any 3" exhaust for this car without the modify look? Anything that looks fairly similar to stock but is 3" so i can get around a road block without the police giving me shit?

[MightyMouse]

I for one is going to get a white car this time. No more exotic colors for me, just something simple and thats probably it. I hope they come with white as it is a very common and original color.


White? You, Crocket and Tubbs gonna cruise Daytona beach? (sun) Just kidding (well, sorta) :)

Hopefully it comes in the dark grey of the M3 4 door. I prefer the stealthy, non-boy racer colours. Also fewer speeding tickets that way..

[ZoomVT]

you got that right. The titanium grayis hot and still doesnt call attention to itself.

[Newf]

titanium gray is the single best color I have had and I've had quite a range of them. Easy to take care, to keep clean, shines like crazy in sun, and has a nice deep depth to it that I really like.

That being said, for some reason it looks different on the 3's. Like there's less metallic or something. Strange because I think they are the same code. But even everyone at my dealer says the same thing. Perhaps it's just the wheels setting something off to trick the eye.

[AFwestPunk]

All i want is confirmantion that silver is going to be one of the available colors cause if not i have to start saving so i can get mine repainted

[Mz3Hatch]

the way my dealer made it seem when i stopped on yesterday the speed 3 will more than likely have the same setup as the speed 6.. kind of dissapointing because it will be lacking a beatiful front mount, but ill deal with 245hp +, im not to sure if anyone knows whether the states will get AWD or FWD, but the most important thing is that i hear spring '07 release date.. now just waiting to order mine!!

[RODSCALIP5]

the way my dealer made it seem when i stopped on yesterday the speed 3 will more than likely have the same setup as the speed 6.. kind of dissapointing because it will be lacking a beatiful front mount, but ill deal with 265hp +, im not to sure if anyone knows whether the states will get AWD or FWD, but the most important thing is that i hear spring '07 release date.. now just waiting to order mine!!

Spring 07? WTF?

[wongpres]

I haven't seen the Mazdaspeed3 color palette.

However, I have seen the global Mazda3 refresh color palette, and Titanium Gray is replaced by a Galaxy Gray that's very similar to Titanium ('06 RX-8 also getting this change).

The pics of the gray Mazda3 refresh sedan is actually Galaxy Gray (but with studio shots & lighting, and the fact the two colors are similar anyways, it's very hard to tell the difference from the pics).

As for Mazdaspeed3 release date, my info is that Job 1 date is around the end of summer to early fall timeframe. However, there may be delays between now and then, and also I don't know the launch schedule (for example, it could get launched in Europe before N. America, just like the Mazdaspeed6 was launched in N. America before Europe).

[Newf]

great another mazdaspeed that's going to be launched with snow on the ground.

wish I had the money right now, I'd get the ms6 and call it a day.

[Takumi]

White? You, Crocket and Tubbs gonna cruise Daytona beach? (sun) Just kidding (well, sorta) :)

Hopefully it comes in the dark grey of the M3 4 door. I prefer the stealthy, non-boy racer colours. Also fewer speeding tickets that way..


Don't get your joke? There is already a similar color we have at home and grey in the past. White 3 looks good to me but very hard to keep clean.

[AFwestPunk]

Thanks Wong!! doing a great job yo!

[Mz3Hatch]

id assume mazda would keep the same colors they have now in the 3 hatch but thats just my opinion.. i definitely want a silver one because they hide dirt and salt a little easier than colors do.. however, a black on with tint and black rims would look really good, but i dont want to see dirt all the time.. ugghh decisions decisions..

[AFwestPunk]

i definitely want a silver one because they hide dirt and salt a little easier than colors do..
(thumb) Exactly! I love that color

[Rock]

[QUOTE=Mz3Hatch]i definitely want a silver one because they hide dirt and salt a little easier than colors do.. QUOTE]
(thumb) Exactly! I love that color
I'm Thinking Silver also, but I already have that color, and since I'm going for more of a "sleeper" style I'll go for either DARK silver or Black.
I love silver because it "shines" no matter what the weather conditions are.

[Mazda3Rookie]

Don't get your joke? There is already a similar color we have at home and grey in the past. White 3 looks good to me but very hard to keep clean.

If memory serves me well that's about the Miami Vice cops driving a white Testarossa when going undercover. Yeah, right.....

[Mazda3]

I haven't seen the Mazdaspeed3 color palette.

However, I have seen the global Mazda3 refresh color palette, and Titanium Gray is replaced by a Galaxy Gray that's very similar to Titanium ('06 RX-8 also getting this change).

The pics of the gray Mazda3 refresh sedan is actually Galaxy Gray (but with studio shots & lighting, and the fact the two colors are similar anyways, it's very hard to tell the difference from the pics).

As for Mazdaspeed3 release date, my info is that Job 1 date is around the end of summer to early fall timeframe. However, there may be delays between now and then, and also I don't know the launch schedule (for example, it could get launched in Europe before N. America, just like the Mazdaspeed6 was launched in N. America before Europe).

Canadian production of the MS3 is currently slated to start in July, which puts it on dealer lots the last week of August.

[misbehave]

Somebody Please Help Me!!!
I Can't Get My Eyes Off Those Pics On The First Page!

[nate0123]

I can, it's easy

just don't look at it

[blizzard]

It's is not going to make be "not buy it", but after looking at the pictures here (http://www.media.mazda.com/CGI/photolibrary/E/search_list.cgi?p=1&select_name=keyword&search=Mazda3%20MPS&select=&select2=&select3=&select4=&select5=) I really am not a fan of those wheels at all... The MSP wheels were SOOOO gorgeous (that's why I bought them for my car) - it is dissapointing to me to see those multi-spoke ones. They are better than the MS6, no question, but not as nice as the MSP's!!

Also, what is the deal with 18 x 7"?!??!! The picture with the MS3 "69'd" beside the MS6 showes how much they are tucked in on the rear. Why didn't they put some bigger wheels on there and for christ sakes give it up with the stupid tire sizes!!!!

Sorry, but those are really my only two gripes with the car, so I had to vent!!! Thanks for listening (cheers)

[goldwing2000]

Actually, I find the MSP wheels trite and boring.
I'm glad Mazda finally got the balls to get away from damn five-spokes.
Everybody and their brother has damn five-spokes. Blech. (pukey)

[blizzard]

Actually, I find the MSP wheels trite and boring.
I'm glad Mazda finally got the balls to get away from damn five-spokes.
Everybody and their brother has damn five-spokes. Blech. (pukey)

Yeah, I can understand the boring/everyone has five-spoke thing - totally true. I find the multi spoke super boring. I would have said Mazda had grown some balls if they had put on some BBS RC's or something similar (my point is just a GOOD looking multi-spoke design) in 8" width. Those particular wheels (and the MS6 even more so) look like an Oldsmobile design!! I really hope I like them better in person! If I do get this car I won't have the money to buy aftermarket wheels for quite some time!!!

[Raymo853]

I am happy with the photos and the details of this re-fresh. I hope the non-Mazdaspeed S-version will also get the 6 speed and it will have ratios geared more towards lower revs at highway speeds than closer ratios. The remark that significant road noise reductions have been undertaken is a double plus good thing. I hate how noisy mar car is and Mazda3's are. It will convince me to finally replace my 2000 ES.

[RHAGEL]

I am happy with the photos and the details of this re-fresh. I hope the non-Mazdaspeed S-version will also get the 6 speed and it will have ratios geared more towards lower revs at highway speeds than closer ratios. The remark that significant road noise reductions have been undertaken is a double plus good thing. I hate how noisy mar car is and Mazda3's are. It will convince me to finally replace my 2000 ES. Not to mention that if the car gets direct injection, we can expect more power, better response and better gas mileage. I think it will be a very significant improvement.

[Badger Biker]

Me likey.

I jush wish it had some sort of flared side skirts ... that would be hot.

</she has pointy knees>

[rbmazda3]

RSportscars.com has the turbo 3 putting down 274hp.

http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/mazdaspeed3.asp


Specifications
Engine
Type: Inline-4, Turbocharged
Displacement cu in (cc): 138 (2261)
Power bhp (kW) at RPM: 274(204) / 5500
Torque lb-ft (Nm) at RPM: 280(380) / 3000
Redline at RPM: 6700
Brakes & Tires
Brakes F/R: ABS, vented disc/disc
Tires F-R: n.a.
Driveline: Front Wheel Drive
Exterior Dimensions & Weight
Length × Width × Height in: n.a.
Weight lb (kg): n.a.
Performance
Acceleration 0-60 mph s: n.a.
Top Speed mph (km/h): n.a.
Fuel Economy EPA city/highway mpg (l/100 km): n.a.


Base Price: 2006 Mazda Mazdaspeed3 - n.a. (last update: 2/14/2006)

Photo Gallery 2006 Mazda Mazdaspeed3





Mazdaspeed3 to be Exhibited at the 2006 Geneva Motor Show

Mazda Motor Corporation will showcase the world premiere of the new high-performance Mazdaspeed3 at the 76th annual Geneva International Motor Show to be held from Tuesday, February 28 through Sunday, March 12, 2006.

The flagship of the Mazda 3 range, the all-new Mazdaspeed3 will give sports-minded customers a double dose of Zoom-Zoom driving fun. Mazdaspeed3 is the fourth model to carry the Mazdaspeed brand, following the Mazdaspeed6 and Mazdaspeed MX-5. The car will be called Mazdaspeed Axela in Japan and, in other key regions including Europe, Australia and New Zealand, Mazda3 MPS.

Mazda looked to embody the three distinct attributes with the new vehicle: Driving Fun, Ownership Delight and Everyday User-Friendly Convenience. With its compact, lightweight body and substantial power generated by its 2.3L MZR DISI TURBO petrol engine, Mazdaspeed3 is one of the most powerful high-performance sports compacts with front-wheel drive (FWD) on the road today.

The car’s styling pursues a look of strength and solidity in a design that conveys its unmatched dynamic performance at a glance. Mazdaspeed3 reflects Mazda’s intention to continue delivering Zoom-Zoom in all its products.

[Rogue]

the press release from Mazda says 247hp

[CHICO2003]

Maybe they just mixed up the numbers

[rbmazda3]

In Europe, Mazdaspeed models are sold under the Mazda Performance Series nameplate, which is why this hot-rodded Mazda 3 shown in Geneva wears an MPS badge. What you need to know is that it’s coming to America, powered by the same 2.3-liter, turbocharged engine as found in the Mazdaspeed 6, detuned to produce 250 horsepower in the Mazdaspeed 3 because the new model will be front- rather than all-wheel drive.

Looks like the Eurpean MPS is not detuned and has the entire 274 hp. The american modle with have 250. I'm sure there will be some bolt on to get it up to euro specs.

[rbmazda3]

2007 Mazdaspeed 3


What is it?
2007 Mazdaspeed 3

What's special about it?
Few cars have more tuning potential than the well-sorted Mazda 3, which many consider the most desirable economy car in the U.S. market. Mazda made us wait a good long time for the high-performance Mazdaspeed 3 version, but the payoff is that it has a lot more power than we expected.

That's because Mazda engineers found a way to stuff the Mazdaspeed 6's turbocharged 2.3-liter inline four under the hood of this five-door hatchback. We had doubted the operation would be possible, given that it was already a squeeze to get this intercooled turbo four into the midsize 6, which had to be fitted with a domed hood.

"We changed the 3's dash to accommodate the new engine," Program Manager Tatsuo Maeda explained. "There's a slight indentation in the new dash panel to accommodate it. Also, the hood is raised 20mm."

As on the Mazdaspeed 6, the Mazdaspeed 3's turbo 2.3-liter uses direct injection and has a 9.5:1 compression ratio. However, Mazda is giving an "over 250" horsepower estimate for this 3 compared to 274 on the 6, due to different exhaust routing and emissions equipment. Torque should hold steady around 280 at 3,000 rpm.

In order to save weight and keep the car affordable, Mazda decided not to feed all this power through an all-wheel-drive system. So the six-speed manual gearbox sends the juice to the front wheels, just like on a normal 3. Mazda has released a 6.1-second 0-to-60-mph estimate, though Mazda reps told us the car would do it in "under 6." Top speed is electronically limited to 155 mph.

A standard limited-slip differential should tighten the Mazdaspeed 3's line when exiting turns, and Mazda says torque steer won't be a problem, thanks to precise control over power delivery through the first four gears.

Of course, there are plenty of chassis upgrades to get excited about as well. Engineers widened the front track eight-tenths of an inch to accommodate the Mazdaspeed 3's slightly wider 215/45R18 tires. All Mazda 3s get mild suspension revisions for 2007 to improve rigidity, but the Mazdaspeed hatch also benefits from higher spring and damper rates as well as larger-diameter stabilizer bars. The result is 60-percent less body roll, says Mazda.

Braking hardware is upgraded as well. The 12.6-inch front rotors are almost an inch larger than the ones on the regular 3. The rear discs are about the same size, but are now ventilated rather than solid. For safety's sake, ABS, emergency brake assist and stability control are standard.

A revised front grille that doubles as an air intake for the intercooler immediately distinguishes the Mazdaspeed hatch from other 3s, and in back, the tailpipe is 3.7 inches across. Red stitching accents the black cockpit, and more aggressive sport seats promise to hold you snug through the corners.

Mazda says the Mazdaspeed 3 will hit the market in the fall of 2006. Company officials offered no details on pricing, but we expect it to come in under $25,000.

[Greysave]

(first)
AWD = hype

Ok try launching with an awd and see what happens.

[Antoine]

the press release from Mazda says 247hp

Exactly...What's this about the Euros getting 274hp???

[Antoine]

2007 Mazdaspeed 3


What is it?
2007 Mazdaspeed 3

What's special about it?
Few cars have more tuning potential than the well-sorted Mazda 3, which many consider the most desirable economy car in the U.S. market. Mazda made us wait a good long time for the high-performance Mazdaspeed 3 version, but the payoff is that it has a lot more power than we expected.

That's because Mazda engineers found a way to stuff the Mazdaspeed 6's turbocharged 2.3-liter inline four under the hood of this five-door hatchback. We had doubted the operation would be possible, given that it was already a squeeze to get this intercooled turbo four into the midsize 6, which had to be fitted with a domed hood.

"We changed the 3's dash to accommodate the new engine," Program Manager Tatsuo Maeda explained. "There's a slight indentation in the new dash panel to accommodate it. Also, the hood is raised 20mm."

As on the Mazdaspeed 6, the Mazdaspeed 3's turbo 2.3-liter uses direct injection and has a 9.5:1 compression ratio. However, Mazda is giving an "over 250" horsepower estimate for this 3 compared to 274 on the 6, due to different exhaust routing and emissions equipment. Torque should hold steady around 280 at 3,000 rpm.

In order to save weight and keep the car affordable, Mazda decided not to feed all this power through an all-wheel-drive system. So the six-speed manual gearbox sends the juice to the front wheels, just like on a normal 3. Mazda has released a 6.1-second 0-to-60-mph estimate, though Mazda reps told us the car would do it in "under 6." Top speed is electronically limited to 155 mph.

A standard limited-slip differential should tighten the Mazdaspeed 3's line when exiting turns, and Mazda says torque steer won't be a problem, thanks to precise control over power delivery through the first four gears.

Of course, there are plenty of chassis upgrades to get excited about as well. Engineers widened the front track eight-tenths of an inch to accommodate the Mazdaspeed 3's slightly wider 215/45R18 tires. All Mazda 3s get mild suspension revisions for 2007 to improve rigidity, but the Mazdaspeed hatch also benefits from higher spring and damper rates as well as larger-diameter stabilizer bars. The result is 60-percent less body roll, says Mazda.

Braking hardware is upgraded as well. The 12.6-inch front rotors are almost an inch larger than the ones on the regular 3. The rear discs are about the same size, but are now ventilated rather than solid. For safety's sake, ABS, emergency brake assist and stability control are standard.

A revised front grille that doubles as an air intake for the intercooler immediately distinguishes the Mazdaspeed hatch from other 3s, and in back, the tailpipe is 3.7 inches across. Red stitching accents the black cockpit, and more aggressive sport seats promise to hold you snug through the corners.

Mazda says the Mazdaspeed 3 will hit the market in the fall of 2006. Company officials offered no details on pricing, but we expect it to come in under $25,000.

Now we can end the AWD discussion (thumb)...Great info on the upcoming state-side MS3!

[goldwing2000]

Exactly...What's this about the Euros getting 274hp???

Lysdexia?

[Greysave]

Now we can end the AWD discussion (thumb)...Great info on the upcoming state-side MS3!

That is quite pricey for a non-all wheel drive IMO. I also think thats alot of torque for a front wheel drive.

[goldwing2000]

That is quite pricey for a non-all wheel drive IMO. I also think thats alot of torque for a front wheel drive.

"Quite Pricey"? It's only like $3k more than a loaded Grand Touring model (without Nav). That's pretty cheap for a factory-warranteed 87hp boost.

Now... the question burning in MY mind is this: can you swap in an MS6 ECM and get the remaining 27hp that was tuned out?? (scratch) (glare)

[misbehave]

I still wish they make an AWD version.
My wife and I are saving up some money for our next car to replace our old 94 Corolla.
Our target is either the WRX or the STi, if they release MS3 with AWD, we will buy it instead of the Impreza for sure.

[goldwing2000]

The hell with AWD. Just more shit to break.

[Antoine]

"Quite Pricey"? It's only like $3k more than a loaded Grand Touring model (without Nav). That's pretty cheap for a factory-warranteed 87hp boost.

Now... the question burning in MY mind is this: can you swap in an MS6 ECM and get the remaining 27hp that was tuned out?? (scratch) (glare)

That will the be big question on most MS3 owners minds ;) I have a feeling the "detuning" was mainly done by way of the ECM but there might some "packaging" differences that also contribute to the decrease in power.

Bingo...read the article again and found this little nugget of info...


However, Mazda is giving an "over 250" horsepower estimate for this 3 compared to 274 on the 6, due to different exhaust routing and emissions equipment. Torque should hold steady around 280 at 3,000 rpm.

[misbehave]

The hell with AWD. Just more shit to break.

How about both AWD and FWD version?
But I seriously doubt Mazda will ever do it.

[goldwing2000]

Bingo...read the article again and found this little nugget of info...

Good eye, boss!

I'm still going to hold onto the hope that an MS6 ECM will unlock some secret potential. (evil)

[goldwing2000]

How about both AWD and FWD version?
But I seriously doubt Mazda will ever do it.

Yeah, never gonna happen.

[rbmazda3]

Good eye, boss!

I'm still going to hold onto the hope that an MS6 ECM will unlock some secret potential. (evil)

Yeah...me too! With the LSD tourque steer should be held to a minimum.

[KHAOSPHERE]

seriously guys,quit the copy and paste and just post the link to the specs...you think i believe you figured all that out by urself...post the links next time,it take up less space on this site..just a thought

[goldwing2000]

There are plenty of links posted.

What you believe or do not believe is of little consequence.

[rbmazda3]

There are plenty of links posted.

What you believe or do not believe is of little consequence.
LMAO (lol)

[Antoine]

Keep it civil and on topic guys...

[AFwestPunk]

So it is coming out this summer. Summer of speed....

[p5sundevil]

besides the ms6 ecm, if the loss of hp was really due to emissions equipment and exhaust routing it will be nice to see if it reacts well to a turbo back exhaust...

[CHICO2003]

Alright guys... I don't even know if this is possible but... earlier today, I was at a light an in the oncoming lane was a red 3 hatch complete with the MS3 wheels, enlarged hood and even the black treatment done on the back near the exhaust (I saw this in my rear view as he drove by) Even though I was already late to work, I turned around at the nearest spot and tried to catch up.... no luck. so... the question is... is it possible this was an actual MS3? seriously... it had the SAME EXACT fugly snowflake wheels as in the pictures...

[Kansei]

Alright guys... I don't even know if this is possible but... earlier today, I was at a light an in the oncoming lane was a red 3 hatch complete with the MS3 wheels, enlarged hood and even the black treatment done on the back near the exhaust (I saw this in my rear view as he drove by) Even though I was already late to work, I turned around at the nearest spot and tried to catch up.... no luck. so... the question is... is it possible this was an actual MS3? seriously... it had the SAME EXACT fugly snowflake wheels as in the pictures...

Whoa that's crazy. It's gotta be the real thing, maybe Mazda is taking one around to the dealership for some sort of training or something I dunno.

I hope the "old" 3s sedans are still around at the end of summer when I might have the cash to get one. I'm still not sure if I like the refresh, definitely not feelin the wheels though.

[cboe's_mp5]

i wonder how much it is going to cost????\


i really want to be the first person in everett to get one.

[cboe's_mp5]

How about both AWD and FWD version?
But I seriously doubt Mazda will ever do it.


i also dought it too i wish they would come out with a rear wheel drive it would just be fun to drive.... but the awd would be awsome for rally

[cboe's_mp5]

man i really want one. i cant wait

[oldzoomer]

i wonder how much it is going to cost????\


i really want to be the first person in everett to get one.

The magazines are saying $25,000. This is about $2000 more than a Grand Touring with moonroof, bose, and navi. Start saving your pennies now. :)

[AFwestPunk]

phuk that it better try and compete with the Civic SI! they run to about 21k in Va

[MightyMouse]

phuk that it better try and compete with the Civic SI! they run to about 21k in Va

Why? They are not even in the same league. The Si only has 197 HP, is a coupe instead of a wagon, and the Civic interior looks like ass! I would be willing to spend a $4-5000 premium over the Civic.

[MightyMouse]

The magazines are saying $25,000. This is about $2000 more than a Grand Touring with moonroof, bose, and navi. Start saving your pennies now. :)

Cool, my VISA limit just got raised again, and high enough to pay for the MS3! Always freaks a dealer out when you just slap the car on your credit card! (shocked) He he

[rbmazda3]

The magazines are saying $25,000. This is about $2000 more than a Grand Touring with moonroof, bose, and navi. Start saving your pennies now. :)
I'm guessing they are going to be up there in price. I was just at the dealership looking at the Mazdaspeed 6. There's some sticker shock for you! 36K with a 2.5K "Market Adustment" Gotta love the "Market Adjustment" Why don't they just call it coolness factor adjustment!! Anyhow...the bottom line on the 6 was 38.5K. That's a lot of doughmeal to throw down on a Mazda. For that kind of money I'd go with a Acura TL.

[CHICO2003]

That "market adjustment" nonsense is the biggest bunch of BS. Mazda should be ashamed of themselves for even trying to pull some crap. Talk to any (cool) salesman there and they'll tell you the same. If you're interested in the MS6, ignore that as well as the sticker... those cars aren't selling well anywhere (for some reason) so you should be able to get one for well under sticker.

[CHICO2003]

Cool, my VISA limit just got raised again, and high enough to pay for the MS3! Always freaks a dealer out when you just slap the car on your credit card! (shocked) He he


LMAO You're kidding right? Unless your intention is to pay it off at the end of the month (or after the 6-12 months worth of 0% some cards give you for signing up) paying for something like this on a CC is beyond idiotic. Hmm... 20+% apr vs 4-6%?

[CHICO2003]

Why? They are not even in the same league. The Si only has 197 HP, is a coupe instead of a wagon, and the Civic interior looks like ass! I would be willing to spend a $4-5000 premium over the Civic.

This is true. Though, with the absense of AWD, the disparity isn't quite as great as you might think. Bear in mind that HP isn't everything. Has the weight been published? I've got a bad feeling this thing's gonna be on the portly side. (even without the awd) Compared to the Civic, not only is it 4 doors but it's also a wagon so that alone will make a difference. Truth be told, Mazda must've been sniffin glue when they decided to go with the wagon version. Weight and looks obviously play a key role in a "performance (oriented) car". While it may not be a huge difference, every little bit helps. I'm sure it'll still be a great car but just think how much better it could have been.

Think about it like this.... the SRT-4 and the PT/GT Cruiser have the same everything... except the PT is obviously a wagon of sorts. Hmm... which one do you think is faster? Which one did more people flock to the dealer to buy? Which one handles better, looks..... well, ok, maybe they both look like ass but the SRT-4 at least CAN look decent if you chop the wing, ditch the fugly wheels and lower it. The PT Loser on the other hand... no hope. But that's sort've how I see (to a far lesser extent) the 3 wagon and this caliber they're coming out with. awkward styling elements abound... gone are the "clean lines" of the msp and 3 sedan in favor of misguided edges and an overall lack of any fluidity.

For my money, though it may not be as fast... the new GTI may be my next ride. Styling wise... tough to beat.

[ZoomVT]

LMAO You're kidding right? Unless your intention is to pay it off at the end of the month (or after the 6-12 months worth of 0% some cards give you for signing up) paying for something like this on a CC is beyond idiotic. Hmm... 20+% apr vs 4-6%?

I dont agree with you man. I dont know what kind of APR you get on your credit cards but i have a fixed 3.9% rate on my cards, included my discover and amex cards. If i were to put the car on my discover i would get 3% back, so im getting a discount plust the rewards points it collects, and the same with the AMEX, no discount but sweet reward points. I dont see how it would be idiotic to put it in the card. Even if you had a higher APR, you could pay it at the end of the month and still reap the benefits of the discountand the reward points. I highly doubt Mazda NA can offer you a better rate than 3.9%

[goldwing2000]

Even if you had a higher APR, you could pay it at the end of the month and still reap the benefits of the discountand the reward points.
That's about the only way to benefit. The difference is the type of interest you pay. With a car loan, you pay simple interest. With a credit card, you pay compound interest. In the end, you pay a lot more for the same balance on a credit card.


I highly doubt Mazda NA can offer you a better rate than 3.9%
I think that's exactly the rate I got when I bought mine. It's paid off now, though. (thumb)

Oops... off topic.


awkward styling elements abound... gone are the "clean lines" of the msp and 3 sedan in favor of misguided edges and an overall lack of any fluidity.
I disagree. Personally, I like the lines of the 5-door better. It all comes down to personal preference. Just because it doesn't appeal to you, doesn't make it a bad choice on Mazda's part.

[ZoomVT]

you are right goldwing. i would still do it for the discount and rewards.
and i also got 3.9 from mazda NA. not a bad deal at all.

[mikeyb]

http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/image/2006/Q1/31200613419.jpg

2007 Mazdaspeed 3

Mazda's hotrod 3 has more than 250 hp, front-wheel drive, and a limited-slip differential. We're bracing ourselves for the torque-steer.

BY RAY HUTTON
PHOTOGRAPHY BY MIKE VALENTE
March 2006
To celebrate the successful and well-regarded Mazda 3's three-year mid-cycle refresh, Mazda is introducing the Mazdaspeed 3. This hotted-up 3 combines the turbocharged 2.3-liter DISI direct-injection four-cylinder engine (making more than 250 hp in this guise) from the long-delayed Mazaspeed 6 with the 3's smaller five-door hatchback body and front-wheel drive only (the Mazdaspeed 6 has all-wheel drive). Top speed is limited to 155 mph and Mazda claims a 6.1-second time for 0-100 km/h (62 mph). The suspension setup is significantly stiffer than the standard 3's (which is already no marshmallow), but it remains to be seen how well this chassis will handle the massive 280 lb-ft of torque; the few European hatchbacks with this amount of twist are pretty unruly, especially when equipped, as this Mazda is, with a limited-slip differential. We're bracing ourselves for the torque-steer.

source:http://www.caranddriver.com/autoshows/10707/2007-mazdaspeed-3.html

[goldwing2000]

you are right goldwing. i would still do it for the discount and rewards.

Hell yeah! That's $250 in Cabela Bucks! :D

Here's what I would do:
Secure financing from an outside source.
Purchase with credit card.
Pay off credit card with funds from initial financing!

Score! (first)



Top speed is limited to 155 mph...

*sigh* I never get tired of hearing that. (nana)

[CHICO2003]

That's about the only way to benefit. The difference is the type of interest you pay. With a car loan, you pay simple interest. With a credit card, you pay compound interest. In the end, you pay a lot more for the same balance on a credit card.


I think that's exactly the rate I got when I bought mine. It's paid off now, though. (thumb)

Oops... off topic.


I disagree. Personally, I like the lines of the 5-door better. It all comes down to personal preference. Just because it doesn't appeal to you, doesn't make it a bad choice on Mazda's part.


I guess I should have prefaced what I said. Obviously the interest rate of the given card plays a key role. I've never heard of a card offering 3.9% throughout the life of the card (plenty of them have low introductory rates) but that doesn't mean much. Obviously 3.9% is very good and, with the rewards, makes the CC option a good one.

If you re-read my post, you'll realize I was obviously referring to the cards that have 20+% (in fact, I actually mentioned that) So I'm not sure why you're disagreeing with me... you clearly agree.


As far as the 3 wagon vs sedan go... While which one looks "better" is obviously subjective, whether or not a car has "clean lines" is not. Nobody can argue (and win) that the wagon has a cleaner look than the sedan. It simply doesn't. There are lots of edges that, while some obviously like, I do not. But more importantly than that, as I already mentioned, going with a 5 vs 4 door only raises the weight that much more. weight is our enemy guys. more and more cars these days are rollin off the assembly line lookin as if they just came from the buffet. Obviously, in terms of sheer speed, as long as you have the hp it doesn't matter that much. but what about handling dynamics and braking? hp won't do shit for you there.

Again.... i'm not sure if the difference is that much so maybe it's moot. All I know is, the WRX sedan performs far better than the WRX wagon. as does the SRT-4 vs the PT Cruiser (GT). Enough fuckin said.

[ZoomVT]

er i know you meant high interest rates. but as you also know, not every card does and you stating that idea as idiotic is unfair and harsh. Also, you state the apr to be 20% as if it was a fact of life, when it is the other way around in my experience. i have never had a card with higher than 12% and i was only aware of higher rates when my roommate showed me his 27% rate card. In any case, it is not idiotic to put it in the cc, but i wouldnt recommended unless you have a great rate. yes they do offer fixed 3.9% i have 3 cards with that rate.
As fars as the sedan vs wagon debate, i have stated my point many times before and i cannot stand the wagon design when there is a sedan available. If i were buying a wagon, i woul dget the 3 hatch, but i like the 3 better. I know that this is mostly subjective as we all have different tastes, however some of the things i dont like about the hatch are the lines of the car, very edgy when i would have preferred a more flowing design.

[goldwing2000]

I guess I should have prefaced what I said. Obviously the interest rate of the given card plays a key role. I've never heard of a card offering 3.9% throughout the life of the card (plenty of them have low introductory rates) but that doesn't mean much. Obviously 3.9% is very good and, with the rewards, makes the CC option a good one.

If you re-read my post, you'll realize I was obviously referring to the cards that have 20+% (in fact, I actually mentioned that) So I'm not sure why you're disagreeing with me... you clearly agree.

(scratch) Ummm... I wasn't disagreeing with you about the CC issue. Heck, I wasn't even talking to you about the CC issue. ZoomVT was. And if you'll check, it's him that I quoted before my statement, not you.

If you can't keep up, take notes.

And as far as "clean lines"... yes, it's still subjective. Unless you're talking about actual coeffient of drag, what looks clean to one person may not look clean to another.

[CHICO2003]

LOL you're right... my bad. (I quoted the wrong guy. Sorry dude!)

But anywayz... this is stupid so I'm just gonna end it now. All 3 of us agree with eachother so there's really no point in arguing.

except about the clean lines thing... lol come on!! if one car has all these angles and another is smooth... you're trying to tell me it's subjective? take a look at the rear fender on the 3 hatch (while looking at it from the front) it's like a bony elbow or some shit. no one could say that's a clean line!

[goldwing2000]

*shrug* I like it. :D

It's like the difference between an F-117 and a B-2. Two ways to achieve the same goal.

[MightyMouse]

LMAO You're kidding right? Unless your intention is to pay it off at the end of the month (or after the 6-12 months worth of 0% some cards give you for signing up) paying for something like this on a CC is beyond idiotic. Hmm... 20+% apr vs 4-6%?

Who said I would carry the balance past the end of the month? You don't pay any interest if you pay off your balance at the end of every month. If you use your cards properly, it doesn't matter what the rate is.

Hmm, new car, plus enough travel points for a free flight anywhere in the world :) Sweet

[goldwing2000]

Knock off the insults. You could have made your point just as well without the first two words of your post.

[CHICO2003]

wtf? why don't you re-read my original post. You'll see that I did indeed mention avoiding the high interest by paying off the full amount at the end of the month.

[Dimitrios]

...the difference between an F-117 and a B-2...

..among other things, payload capacity, agility, flight range, takeoff/landing distances, radar profile, top speed, operating ceiling, number of pilots needed to operate....

[goldwing2000]

..among other things, payload capacity, agility, flight range, takeoff/landing distances, radar profile, top speed, operating ceiling, number of pilots needed to operate....

(blah)

If you had actually quoted the entire statement (Two ways to achieve the same goal) you'd understand that I was referring to the different ways of achieving low observability, not looking for a rundown of the differences between a fighter and a bomber.

[Dimitrios]

(blah)

If you had actually quoted the entire statement (Two ways to achieve the same goal) you'd understand that I was referring to the different ways of achieving low observability, not looking for a rundown of the differences between a fighter and a bomber.

Easy there...easy...I was just "observabilitying" in my own way (boom02). If I was going to quote the entire thing, I would have.

Technically, the F-117 and B-2 aren't designed for the "same goal" to begin with, so the analogy was trite, IMO. One is a short/mid range fighter, designed to take out light to medium arsenals while supporting ground forces. The B-2 is a medium range bomber designed for high altitude strikes while also including the ability to deliver nuclear warheads.

But as we all know, elbows and assholes...

[goldwing2000]

Cheese and rice almighty...

"Same goal" as in "low observability"! The F-117 uses an angular design to deflect radar waves in directions other than back to the receiver and the B-2 uses a smooth design to keep the waves from reflecting back at all.

Did you even read my last post??

[daonly1around]

it takes too long to read 14 pgs on dial up... anyone know what colors this thing will be offered in? i like red, but would much rather have another color...

[Antoine]

But anywayz... this is stupid so I'm just gonna end it now. All 3 of us agree with eachother so there's really no point in arguing.

Exactly...Let's get back on topic...Thanks!