View Full Version : new mazda3 turbo kit?
Gambino
02-27-2006, 11:20 PM
So my really good friends brother is huge in the civic world (he has a del sol that ran something like a 9.56 @ 156 or something). Anyway, he owns his own little company here in SLC called Phantom Motorsports ("PMS. give your car attitude" - i love that). Anyway, I was talking to my friend tonight and got a few pictures of it. I have no idea on the specifics at all, but I just thought I would show you guys. He is gonna sell it for somewhere between $4000 and $4500, but I am gonna try to talk him into getting me a deal since I am his brothers good friend ;) Anyway, the only teaser pictures I could get.
oh yeah, and the best part is, this car is his wifes. He is still waiting on the microchip ecu, so she drives this around with all that in it just not running any boost. (boom07)
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-11/67463/IZLDO-DSCN1202.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-11/67463/TSUED-DSCN1203.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-11/67463/LBVHB-DSCN1186.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-11/67463/IDJHG-DSCN1204.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-11/67463/OTOOX-DSCN1200.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-11/67463/WHMEC-DSCN1205.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-11/67463/VJKUV-DSCN1201.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-11/67463/GCQBC-DSCN1199.JPG
mazda3zoom
02-27-2006, 11:36 PM
That turbo looks pretty huge......or maybe its just me. I dunno.
Gambino
02-27-2006, 11:38 PM
yeah, I know he was talking about two different turbos, a smaller one for street kit, and a bigger one for drag. he didnt state either though. I will hopefully be talking to him soon about a sponsorship/representation
tsunami
02-28-2006, 01:09 PM
wow good info skab.... just keep your clothes on for whatever type of sponsership you get lol.... and the companies name is a riot...
Gambino
02-28-2006, 01:13 PM
wow good info skab.... just keep your clothes on for whatever type of sponsership you get lol.... and the companies name is a riot...
hah, the clothes will be staying on. my friend actually says his brother will be looking for a way to get his info out there, so I may have a good chance!
Also, I am expecting some big numbers from this kit. The guy designing it actually doesnt have accurate whp numbers for his civic because his dyno wont hold it or something. his highest number before he started slipping was 940whp.
mazda3zoom
02-28-2006, 02:14 PM
hah, the clothes will be staying on. my friend actually says his brother will be looking for a way to get his info out there, so I may have a good chance!
Also, I am expecting some big numbers from this kit. The guy designing it actually doesnt have accurate whp numbers for his civic because his dyno wont hold it or something. his highest number before he started slipping was 940whp.
Holy shit, 940whp. Thats pretty sweet, hopefully it does work out that you get one in your ride.
WetsuitxNinja
02-28-2006, 09:37 PM
Nice, more choices. Hopefully by the time I am man enough to buy a turbo the prices will come down. I cant wait til the mz3's have a huge aftermarket selection. Seems like only a matter of time
saskmazdaman11
03-01-2006, 10:19 AM
Teaser pics? What teaser pics?
Gambino
03-01-2006, 10:22 AM
I didnt host these on my own and I think something happened to the pictures. I will try to get them back up, it might take me a while to get a hold of him though.
Gambino
03-01-2006, 12:33 PM
hmmm, went to the source, all he has is red x's now too. I hope they reappear sometime......
Gambino
03-01-2006, 12:45 PM
LAME (pics)
Oh, and I almost forgot, I am going to be at the guys shop tomorrow night. We are gonna do some work on his brothers RSX so, if the 3 is there, I will take a few pictures.
ZoomVT
03-07-2006, 11:34 AM
Hey Phil, any news on this?
Gambino
03-07-2006, 11:45 AM
Hey Phil, any news on this?
Not really. I was with the guy on saturday and we discussed the kit a little, but spent most the time on the rsx we were working on.
He did not have the 3 there as I was hoping. He did say the turbo he will be using is a Precision SE50 with a stage 2 wheel(I think, maybe SC, I dont know much about precision turbos but he swears by them). He will be shooting for 270 whp at 7psi with the base kit.
I also slightly discussed the differences between his kit and other kits (mostly hiboost). He says his will be better simply because of his EMS he will be using. He is having microtech (again, I believe thats what he said, i wasnt taking notes) make the EMS right now. He says it is better than the Haltech because the Haltech has no ignition control, so when the VVT kicks in, it gets "pissed off" as he says and the power band gets all screwy. I cant wait for the EMS to get in and get some dyno charts.
He is also trying to get a hold of a 2.3L block (I am helping him, and we have one in the works). He wants one so he can tear it apart and learn more about it and get parts made.
kmfdMZ3
03-07-2006, 03:10 PM
wow that's amazing. i hope he does it.
Gambino
03-18-2006, 05:44 PM
Hey guys, just thought I would update this.
I have been speaking with Jasen (owner of Phantom Motorsports, designer of the kit) and we have been working some stuff out with the finalization of this kit. Still waiting on the microtechs, but the kit is almost complete.
He just told me that once the kit is complete, he will be trying to put together a group buy (not sure on exact price yet). He is also possibly going to include a 3" exhaust with the kit, but that depends on whether or not he can keep it within his target price range.
I have also been speaking with Ken, and there is a great chance this kit will be available on his site at mazda3online.com
vindication
03-18-2006, 05:48 PM
awaiting pics
Gambino
03-18-2006, 05:50 PM
awaiting pics
i know......I had them at one time but they vanished. Maybe I will just take some pictures of it in my car! haha, in a few months....I will ask him if he has any pictures
ZoomVT
03-18-2006, 07:33 PM
do it. now!
sweet dude, let us know the price point. i am definitely intersted in getting a turbo. if everything goes well it will be this summer.
Gambino
03-19-2006, 03:58 AM
alright guys, pictures.
http://i1.tinypic.com/rruts2.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/rruttd.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/rruv48.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/rruv5t.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/rruv7a.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/rruv86.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/rruvd1.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/rruvf9.jpg
Gambino
03-19-2006, 01:35 PM
bump for pictures
Gambino
03-19-2006, 06:55 PM
everyone asks for pictures and doesnt post once I put them up(eekfu) haha
curacer1
03-19-2006, 11:33 PM
price tag yet, any whp numbers?????
dbzeag
03-20-2006, 07:02 AM
I hope he lines the firewall and trim with some heat shield. He will melt that and the seal around the windows if he isnt' careful.
Thanks for the pics, though.
ZoomVT
03-20-2006, 09:15 AM
those pictures without number are worthless.
cmon Phil get us all the info.
it looks good, but its gonna have to provide some very good numbers (price and/or power) to compete with HiBoost.
Talk to me goose
Gambino
03-20-2006, 10:13 AM
those pictures without number are worthless.
cmon Phil get us all the info.
it looks good, but its gonna have to provide some very good numbers (price and/or power) to compete with HiBoost.
Talk to me goose
goose?? well, he doesnt have the EMS yet, so he isnt even running boost in the car yet. He is shooting for about 250-270 whp at 7psi. I will post numbers as soon as he gets the thing on the dyno
and like I said, he doesnt know the final price yet as the kit is not 100% complete, his email to me said somewhere near $4k
Looks sweet! Snatch the parts off that car and install them on yours :)
Gambino
03-20-2006, 10:20 AM
Looks sweet! Snatch the parts off that car and install them on yours :)
hah, if only it was that simple. I am getting a pretty sweet deal for helping him promote this thing and for getting him on mazda3online.com though!
goldwing2000
03-20-2006, 10:23 AM
goose??
It's a Top Gun thing...
hah, if only it was that simple. I am getting a pretty sweet deal for helping him promote this thing and for getting him on mazda3online.com though!
So you'll be boosted by... when?
Gambino
03-20-2006, 10:26 AM
So you'll be boosted by... when?
I want to say by the end of may, but I dont see that happening since my hours at work have been sucking!!!! if anyone wants to offer a SMALL interest free loan.....(wiggle)
Gambino
03-20-2006, 10:40 AM
yeah, that too
ZoomVT
03-20-2006, 11:27 AM
Thanks goldwing.... these kids....
so how sweet is your deal?
anything over 3800k would be a little too rich for my blood, as i can get the hiboost for that much.
When do you think he will have the EMS working?
Gambino
03-20-2006, 11:32 AM
Thanks goldwing.... these kids....
so how sweet is your deal?
anything over 3800k would be a little too rich for my blood, as i can get the hiboost for that much.
When do you think he will have the EMS working?
I think it will be more than hiboost, but the EMS on this kit will be tons better. He is expecting the same/more power at less psi
MrTea
03-21-2006, 01:51 PM
there's no way it would be enough power to make it worth a bigger cost really. so far ~270 @ 7psi is about the top i've seen with the HiBoost. that's with a 3" exhaust and the smaller DP. only way to really get more would be to open up the DP as part of the kit like Hass. would net a few ponies for sure, but comes at a cost too.
will be interesting to see what comes of the EMS though.
Gambino
03-21-2006, 01:57 PM
there's no way it would be enough power to make it worth a bigger cost really. so far ~270 @ 7psi is about the top i've seen with the HiBoost. that's with a 3" exhaust and the smaller DP. only way to really get more would be to open up the DP as part of the kit like Hass. would net a few ponies for sure, but comes at a cost too.
will be interesting to see what comes of the EMS though.
the cost wont be MUCH more than hiboost. his target price is $4k, and I think if he is making his goal, it will be worth the cost
SilMaz3
03-24-2006, 09:57 AM
how much will the cost be without the 3 inch exhaust and the intercooler? because frankly you can still run boost without the intercooler will this be like some stages you can perhaps do... i love the thought of doing a turbo kit, but i would like some stages... if not its all good...
Gambino
03-24-2006, 11:04 AM
not too sure about the stages and cost. The kit should be ready around the first of may. He will be organizing a GB about that time. I am also going to try to get a parts list from him for like the BOV and everything
I wouldn't suggest running without the intercooler. Sure you could save money and go lower boost, but why?
MrTea
03-24-2006, 02:03 PM
the focus guys are doing this and seeing decent #'s. just keeps the cost down a bit for those on a budget.
The exhaust i can see going without, but not the intercooler. Why risk your engine, and make it prone to detonation just because you don't have an intercooler?
I understand the budget concept. But in reality, if you can't afford to do it right, you probably shouldn't do it at all. and skimping on necessary things is not doing it right.
SilMaz3
03-27-2006, 10:20 PM
having the intercooler doesn't make it prone to have detonation... just people have no intercooler need to put it at a lower Psi thats all... If TUning is really good then detonation wouldn't be existed... I know cars that don't have intercoolers on there turbos and drive fine just at a lower psi...
three
03-27-2006, 11:26 PM
Its just safer with an intercooler not to mention cooler air=more power right???
Gambino
03-28-2006, 12:10 AM
if anyone wants to make some donations to me to ensure that this is in my car the first of may, I wont be opposed! That way we can see some numbers, get some videos, etc....
MrTea
03-28-2006, 02:25 AM
Agreed with Sil. here's a couple dyno's from some focus duratec 2.0 kits. you can see you just run less boost without the FMIC and the numbers obviously reflect it. but the non intercooled kit has been running strong for a while now, no issues at all. also a dyno of the 2.3 non intercooled kit on the Fusion's 2.3 (can get a bit more out of it i think, was a rush for SEMA)
http://www.focussport.com/images/Randy/fsturbo_stg1_vs_stg2_vs_stock.jpg
http://www.focussport.com/images/Randy/fusiondyno.jpg
also, mazda's seem to squeeze a bit more from the ford's top end, so the numbers would show a bit lower than a similar system on the mazda. also, this is with a tuner rather than a standalone, not that that is a huge difference anywhere but cost.
OK, it is possible to run without an intercooler, i understand that. I'm not stupid. BUT why have a standalone engine management system with the kit if you're just going to run low psi? It makes no sense. Thats exactly what this kit is coming with. A microtech standalone unit. And yes, it does make it more prone to detonation because intake air temps rise without the intercooler. Regardless of how much boost you run, a bad tank of gas could cause detonation because of the higher temps seen.
Matrix
03-28-2006, 09:57 AM
I've read through this thread, and I must say that I've gotta side with Jeph on the intercooler issue. If you're gonna spend that much money on a turbo kit with EMS, it would be stupid to delete the intercooler. The turbo is going to get really hot and on a warm day, there's a good chance you'll blow something up. If you're counting pennies to buy this kit, then obviously you won't be able to afford to fix anything if you blow it. Do it right the first time.
And yes, the lack of an intercooler will make the car more prone to detonation.
I've read through this thread, and I must say that I've gotta side with Jeph on the intercooler issue. If you're gonna spend that much money on a turbo kit with EMS, it would be stupid to delete the intercooler. The turbo is going to get really hot and on a warm day, there's a good chance you'll blow something up. If you're counting pennies to buy this kit, then obviously you won't be able to afford to fix anything if you blow it. Do it right the first time.
And yes, the lack of an intercooler will make the car more prone to detonation.
Thank you. (thumb)
Matrix
03-28-2006, 10:06 AM
Hey, no prob Jeph. If you're right, you're right.
I think people may misunderstand the function of an intercooler. It's not there JUST to cool the air. It's there to stabilize intake air temps as much as possible and keep them from fluctuating wildly. The lack of an intercooler will allow temps to rise and fluctuate throughout a much broader range which will wreak havoc on your tuning no matter how well it was done.
Yeah, theexhaust i can understand because thats something that can easily be upgraded later. I ran my stock tiny ass exhaust for 6 months or so. But I don't see this kit being engineered for "budget" users.
Gambino
03-28-2006, 10:16 AM
yeah, I doubt it will be made for lower budget applications, he may have some optional upgrades, but thats about it.
So Jeph, does that mean you finally have a new exhaust?
And I am guessing you all say no to the donations? but CWiLL got away with it! haha
I have an exhaust sitting in my room :) I gotta send it down because right now its 3" all the way back. EXCEPT there is a 2.5" reducer so you could bolt it up to the stock midpipe. It would be retarded to go 3" downpipe to 3" midpipe to 2.5" bottleneck to 3" catback.
I might have some spare change you can have :)
Gambino
03-28-2006, 10:30 AM
I have an exhaust sitting in my room :) I gotta send it down because right now its 3" all the way back. EXCEPT there is a 2.5" reducer so you could bolt it up to the stock midpipe. It would be retarded to go 3" downpipe to 3" midpipe to 2.5" bottleneck to 3" catback.
I might have some spare change you can have :)
well at least you have something there! spare change? I am thinking about going downtown with my guitar one night and just playing on a corner with a hat for donations! haha.......or just going on state in my skimpiest skirt ;)
Yeah, you need some stupid permit to go downtown and play. My friend and i were going to do that, but you can't cause you can get a stupid fine. And the permit costs $100 or something ridiculous. You CAN go to temple square, and play there.
You're going to need a wig too now if you are going to go walk state...
Gambino
03-28-2006, 10:39 AM
Yeah, you need some stupid permit to go downtown and play. My friend and i were going to do that, but you can't cause you can get a stupid fine. And the permit costs $100 or something ridiculous. You CAN go to temple square, and play there.
You're going to need a wig too now if you are going to go walk state...
haha, I wish mine was going over anywhere near what CWiLL's did!
Heh, well it'll be sweet to have a ton of boosted cars at meets. So get a new job, save up, and get on it.
Gambino
04-04-2006, 01:16 PM
well, for an update on this........
my relationship has gone sour with the guy who makes this kit. I dont think I will be bringing anymore info on this kit to the forums because the owner (who has proven to be quite immature and unprofessional) has refused to share information with me. I will, however, be bringing info on a new kit that Beau and I will be working on ;)
ZoomVT
04-04-2006, 02:07 PM
damn! you do play for both teams! in almost every aspect. lol
so whats that new turbo?
Gambino
04-04-2006, 03:02 PM
I really do play for both teams?
goldwing2000
04-04-2006, 03:07 PM
I think he's referring to "those" pictures. (ughdance)
Gambino
04-04-2006, 03:58 PM
go to this thread for info and updates on the MAM kit for the 3
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123631064
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