Front mounted intercooler for MSP6

[HiBoost TS]

We are looking for a donor car to develop our Front mounted intercooler kit for the New Mazdaspeed 6. We will need the car for 1 week and the donor will get the kit for free.

We need the car in the Los Angeles, California area.
For the ones interested, please e mail me at info@hiboost.com

Juan

[MrTea]

gimme a couple days Juan, i can get you one!

any time frame off the top of your head?

[dominoy2k1]

damn for free. crap thats awesome.

[MrTea]

I'll email you as well Juan, but i gotta guy that will be in the area from Arizona the week of Feb. 20 and would be willing to drive instead of fly if that time frame works out for you. have a couple NorCal guys i might be able to get if that time frame isn't good for you.

[Captain KRM P5]

awesome news juan, subbing for more information

[Antoine]

I can sense the boost rising already! (woowoo)

[35ounce]

does milwaukee, wi count as being within the area of los angeles?? :(

[nvmsp]

now I'm really gonna want one of these cars.

[Rainman]

If I was local I would be there. Looks like I am gonna have to get it done here baby! The race is now on!

R

[NVP5White]

Would this allow the replacement of the MS6 hood with the 6i/s hood? That would make for a killer sleeper.

[MrTea]

it would allow for it if the stock 6 hood fit. i think it's not going to work as the lines along the windshield are different.

...but in theory, yes.

i might have local shop with a sema car that will donate if timing doesn't work with the members i've talked to.

[ssinstaller]

Any progress on this??

[chuyler1]

I'd like to see a before/after dyno of something like this.

[bazooka joe]

ya, a front mount has gotta ADD some serious hp to that stock setup..

[chuyler1]

Missing a verb in that sentence Mark..add maybe? I'm just curious as to what a few bolt-ons can do to the MS6.

[HiBoost TS]

Search is over. We have a car to do the prototype and the kit should be available in a couple of months after this is done.


Juan

[Rumpleforeskin]

just please don't make it too big. Pressure loss sucks.

Once you get this done start work immediatly on a catless turboback exhaust. Between the exhaust and intercooler I think we'll be pretty well covered.

[bazooka joe]

Missing a verb in that sentence Mark..add maybe? I'm just curious as to what a few bolt-ons can do to the MS6.

what u talkin bout?

[chuyler1]

willis?

[Rumpleforeskin]

why shouldn't it put down 230whp? The evo8 made 274bhp AWD and it put down 230-ish also....whats so odd about the exact same power from an almost similar system (actually I'd think the direct injection would be a slight gain)

[MrTea]

If you guys do DYNO the MS6 with the FMIC, please use a 5th gear dyno pull, it seems its closest to the 1:1 ration (1.085), ive seem some other forums where people have been dynoing the MS6 using a 3rd gear pull then telling everyone they put down 230-240whp. What a bunch of losers, they are just hyping up the car more than its worth.

sorry grabbed this from Sport Compact Car

"Different Gears
Back in the May, 1998 Technobabble, I dyno tested a Sentra SE-R in every different gear. Second, third and fourth were very similar, but first and fifth were quite a bit lower. Testing a car in either first or fifth is a little odd, and would probably be noticed by the car owner if they were observing the test. The differences are much more significant on a turbocharged car, though, as the higher gears slow the engine's acceleration and allow the turbo to spool up earlier and stronger. If you do a second gear pull with a turbocharged car, the engine will often outrun the turbo--by the time the turbo is spinning fast enough to make boost at 3000 rpm, for example, the engine will already be going 4000 rpm; by the time the turbo is fast enough for 4000, the engine is at 5000.

This is why turbocharged cars feel so strong in higher gears when pulling up a hill, or whenever they are heavily loaded. If you compare a turbocharged pull made in second gear to a pull made in fourth, the fourth gear run will almost always be stronger. We typically dyno naturally aspirated cars in third gear, and turbocharged cars in fourth.

Another difference that can occur with gearing comes when there is a 1:1 gear ratio available. Most rear-wheel drive gearboxes will have a gear that is 1:1--typically this is fourth gear, but in six-speed gearboxes it is often fifth. In the 1:1 gear in many gearboxes, power is not actually transferred through a gearset; the input and output shafts are just locked together. This eliminates the losses through the gear teeth, and results in a higher power output in that gear."

in a fwd or awd setup there is no "true 1:1 gear" as everything is going through multiple gear sets. in a rwd config you can often see (more in older cars) where it's a true 1:1 where it's driving strictly the gear powering the shaft. so in all reality, i tend to go with the reading, as i know on my car i boost a lot more, lower in 4th (i only have 4 gears) as the load is typically greater as well as, like the article says, the turbo has the time to spool. the issue with doing a high gear run noadays is we have gov's which limit us. if i did a 4th gear pull pre-turbo i'd only see like 5800 before i hit 120...so i'd guess a 4th gear pull would be tops for the speed6, but again, i don't know where your gov is?

just my thoughts



on a side note, is this one of the guys i sent your way Juan, i didn't get confirmed, but i'm heading to the shop today to talk to him.

[ssinstaller]

Any updates???

[ssinstaller]

anyone???

[MrTea]

Juan is coming states side next week, so will happen sometime in the couple weeks while he's here.

[TheJohnny]

bump, I want to see this thing.....

[PerfectXtreme]

From what i've read... MS6 gov is set at 150ish... give or take a MPH... I've done 140 on 91 in SoCal... but CHP aren't so friendly... so I try not to do that often...

Also.. I was wondering... If anyone has real facts.. numbers.. or understanding about the difference between TMIC and FMIC... more airflow mounted on the front of the car... and heat rises... so Having less heat.. .and more airflow.. would make FMIC better... but by how much? Really noticable?

a FMIC setup is spendy.. specially on a car like MS6 which already uses TMIC... so... Unless everyone has unlimited funds... I think seeing a huge boost in performance would be needed to make a mod like this really useful...

Currently, from whats available for the MS6... a BOV for sound... and CAI for a bit better airflow... are the only 2 performance mods worth anything...

The stock exhaust... aside from Smog control... is really nice... however removing that stuff usually ruins the vehicle sound... At least thats my experience with hondas and such...

[TheJohnny]

get rid of the cats on the car and you'll definately free up some power, remember, back pressure is bad for turbo cars.

FMIC where are you?

[PerfectXtreme]

Yeah... but is the power gain worth the possibly HORRIBE exhaust sound? I'll have to see and hear a few modded speed6's...

And decide where i'm going to lie for next few years... Smog control in cali = owned

[TheJohnny]

Yeah... but is the power gain worth the possibly HORRIBE exhaust sound? I'll have to see and hear a few modded speed6's...

And decide where i'm going to lie for next few years... Smog control in cali = owned

I don't know. I thought the MSP was going to sound bad with no cats, but it doesn't sound anything like a honda, and I highly doubt the MS6 will sound bad, but yeah, Cali with no cats = HUGE FINE!

[daonly1around]

Yeah... but is the power gain worth the possibly HORRIBE exhaust sound? I'll have to see and hear a few modded speed6's...

And decide where i'm going to lie for next few years... Smog control in cali = owned
just remember the bigger the motor size, the lower the exhaust tone. thats why b16s and what not sound like a$$ in my opinion, where a wrx or turbo Ka24 has a much nicer exhaust note, so the 2.3 in the ms6 should produce a decent sounding exhaust.