turbo related questions

[overdrivex]

iv been on the hunt for turbo but i really cant afford to buy everything at once. but basicly what all goes into a turbo system.

would i need a fuel managment system or a engine managment system or both?
also would obviously need turbo charger, headers, waste gate, intercooler, and slim fans

basicly when you get these kits what do you get that actually replaces the stock parts?i.e (other than header and fans)

forgot to mention im wanting 180-200 whp mental addicts kit looks nice but the gerret turbo is just too expensive and so is there header which looks really well made. i would save about 400buck using the obx turbo headers

[lsdeater]

Honestly, this is going to sound harsh, but if you can't afford to buy it all at once, you can't afford a blown motor or ANY problems, and really shouldnt get one. Wait till your financial picture is better, don't just do this because you want more power like everyone else.

[Jack Daniels]

Honestly, this is going to sound harsh, but if you can't afford to buy it all at once, you can't afford a blown motor or ANY problems, and really shouldnt get one. Wait till your financial picture is better, don't just do this because you want more power like everyone else.

Good advice..

[overdrivex]

that not what i asked. in my opinion not good advice. thats like someone thats starting a restoration project car and telling them if they cant just buy the car in mint condition than they shouldnt shouldnt do it. becuase they "cant afford the car".. i build computers for people. if one came up to me and said what does it take to build the best gamer pc but cant afford all the stuff yet. and i told him well if you cant buy everything at once than you cant afford it so fuck off. i have a friend who rebuilding a 911porsche but cant afford to just buy the car in mint condition. that means he should just trash the project becuase he cant afford the car. it took him a year to complete it and now he has a 89 911porsche that looks bad ass.

[lsdeater]

wow... just wow.

[Jack Daniels]

that not what i asked. in my opinion not good advice. thats like someone thats starting a restoration project car and telling them if they cant just buy the car in mint condition than they shouldnt shouldnt do it. becuase they "cant afford the car".. i build computers for people. if one came up to me and said what does it take to build the best gamer pc but cant afford all the stuff yet. and i told him well if you cant buy everything at once than you cant afford it so fuck off. i have a friend who rebuilding a 911porsche but cant afford to just buy the car in mint condition. that means he should just trash the project becuase he cant afford the car. it took him a year to complete it and now he has a 89 911porsche that looks bad ass.

Nobody's telling you to 'fuck off'. It's just that doing a major mod like a turbo isn't a piecemeal operation. It's all or nothing. It's not like restoring a car where you can do it little by little.

Do you drive this car regularly or does it sit in a garage?

[lsdeater]

here is a link i got from a friend, you might want to read it.
its on building a protege
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/528054/3

[overdrivex]

how is buying everything peice by peice any difrent from buyin all at once. its not like im gonna buy a turbo header and install that shit rit away. buying something all at once is not that difrent from buying little by little either way none of the stuff going on the car untile its all ready to go in. and im not your son i dont appreciated when people call me that only one person has the right to say that to me and thats my father.

[Jack Daniels]

Dude, if you want to buy a turbo system piece by piece and wait until you have the whole setup oneday... I say go for it. (nana) What are you going to get first?

[overdrivex]

i plan on buying the things that hold there value first mainly the turbo i have 900 for a turbo garret gt30r is nice but more than what i need im only looking to get 180-200whp. im hoping i can find one on ebay used or someones elses failed project. i found a used gt30r on ebay but it had pipeing for a mustang and intercolor and other misc. mustang parts but he didnt want to seperate the turbo from the rest of the kit. after that header and for some reason the audio whole sellers i go through can get ems and fms boost guages and other interor related stuff so ill be going though him.

[AlbNYPR5]

Before I traded my p5 in I was looking at how to do a turbo setup on the cheap. I found that if you search ebay for volvo turbos you can find some pretty good prices on various models. There are often intercoolers and stuff like that if you wanted to piece something together. there was an OBX turbo exhaust manifold that was a pretty good deal.

[lsdeater]

a gt30r is WAY too big for only 180whp to 200whp.

you could get a used MSP t25 for MUCH cheaper, faster spool, and that will hit that HP.

You really need to do some research it sounds like.

[Protephile]

that not what i asked. in my opinion not good advice. thats like someone thats starting a restoration project car and telling them if they cant just buy the car in mint condition than they shouldnt shouldnt do it. becuase they "cant afford the car".. i build computers for people. if one came up to me and said what does it take to build the best gamer pc but cant afford all the stuff yet. and i told him well if you cant buy everything at once than you cant afford it so fuck off. i have a friend who rebuilding a 911porsche but cant afford to just buy the car in mint condition. that means he should just trash the project becuase he cant afford the car. it took him a year to complete it and now he has a 89 911porsche that looks bad ass.


No, nothing like it at all. The problem here is that you want to piece together a turbo kit, but you don't even know what you need. That's an indication that you should probably just save up for a kit.
Or better yet, read "Maximum Boost" by Corky Bell, cover to cover and then read it again. When you understand it, then start buying the pieces.

[NVP5White]

you can't afford a blown motor or ANY problems

The risk is not only the parts your buy potentially not being right for the turbo you end up getting in the future, its that when you modify and part of the car with anything NOT OEM, then basically, you have to be able to afford to replace it is it goes boom. If you can't afford two of anything you buy, or to replace anything that new part interfaces with, then modding probably isn't for you. Remeber, the biggist risk here is $$FINANCIAL$$.

Good luck.

[falsedawn]

Save your money and put it towards an education; you write and sound like a 10 year old - one who needs to get a good dollop of common sense and grow up.

[Jack Daniels]

No, nothing like it at all. The problem here is that you want to piece together a turbo kit, but you don't even know what you need. That's an indication that you should probably just save up for a kit.
Or better yet, read "Maximum Boost" by Corky Bell, cover to cover and then read it again. When you understand it, then start buying the pieces.

You're wasting your breath, you know. ;)

[65racecoupe]

If you don't know what goes into a turbo set up, how in the world to you plan on piecing one together from different vendors?

Stuff you need.....

Manifold (or headers, as you call them), turbo, down pipe, full exhaust, EMS, and a bunch more.

[igdrasil]

Well, I think he asked the correct questions, its YOU forum members that are knocking him out. When I wanted to go turbo, I didnt have a fucking clue about how it was going to work, well, maybe just a bit, the basics.

Now that I am going forged and full standalone...does it mean that If I cannot afford the forged pistons, rods, build expenses, big turbo and the Microtech all in once, that I should not do it?

What a bunch of assholes. A lot of people doesnt have $4000 in their pocket to spend on turbo kits.

Piecing a turbo kit once piece at a time is better in terms of savings. Anyway...

What you will need for 180-200whp:

1. Turbo, a simple T3 48/60 or TO4B will do the job just fine, I had a T04B that I just sold for $280.

2. Manifold: You can modify the stock one, it will be cheap, will not be power wise but it can get you to your power goals. Or you can buy one from MAM, Hiboost, MPI or find one around the Sales Threads. I can also get you one for $600, good for over 600whp.

3. Piping and Intercooler, this is important, I would buy both from ebay.

4. BOV - Any you like

5. FMU - Vortech FMU 12:1 or Begi RRFPR will do it just fine.

6. Clutch - YOu will need it for those power goals, a simple ACT Pressure Plate or a 4 puck sprung disk or both combined will work. But the 4 puck may warp the flywheel for street use.

I think you are set. Me and my friend pieced one together with less than $2000, and with a small wrx IHI turbo hes pushing 170whp with 7-8psi. With a bit more boost or a better designed manifold or even a bigger turbo, boosting 7-8psi you can get it to 180-200whp. If you want pics or any more details, let me know.

[igdrasil]

You will also need, fuel hoses, silicone couplers, O2 voltage clamp, oil lines, etc. All those small stuff that we always forget and makes us waste a day or 2 to gather.

[overdrivex]

Save your money and put it towards an education; you write and sound like a 10 year old - one who needs to get a good dollop of common sense and grow up.

i hate faggots like this more than i hate people who shoot down other peoples ideas.. people like this i usually learn are full of shit more than knowledge. and commen sense is based on commen knowledge, commen sense to a pro machanic is not commen knowledge to the daily driver who has no machanic skills. anyone can lossen bolts and put them back on but it takes help from experiance person to help put things back together and to do the job right. thats why this furom was developed not to critasize what lvl of educations you think someone has.

[overdrivex]

Well, I think he asked the correct questions, its YOU forum members that are knocking him out. When I wanted to go turbo, I didnt have a fucking clue about how it was going to work, well, maybe just a bit, the basics.

Now that I am going forged and full standalone...does it mean that If I cannot afford the forged pistons, rods, build expenses, big turbo and the Microtech all in once, that I should not do it?

What a bunch of assholes. A lot of people doesnt have $4000 in their pocket to spend on turbo kits.

Piecing a turbo kit once piece at a time is better in terms of savings. Anyway...

What you will need for 180-200whp:

1. Turbo, a simple T3 48/60 or TO4B will do the job just fine, I had a T04B that I just sold for $280.

2. Manifold: You can modify the stock one, it will be cheap, will not be power wise but it can get you to your power goals. Or you can buy one from MAM, Hiboost, MPI or find one around the Sales Threads. I can also get you one for $600, good for over 600whp.

3. Piping and Intercooler, this is important, I would buy both from ebay.

4. BOV - Any you like

5. FMU - Vortech FMU 12:1 or Begi RRFPR will do it just fine.

6. Clutch - YOu will need it for those power goals, a simple ACT Pressure Plate or a 4 puck sprung disk or both combined will work. But the 4 puck may warp the flywheel for street use.

I think you are set. Me and my friend pieced one together with less than $2000, and with a small wrx IHI turbo hes pushing 170whp with 7-8psi. With a bit more boost or a better designed manifold or even a bigger turbo, boosting 7-8psi you can get it to 180-200whp. If you want pics or any more details, let me know.

this is the kinda of info i was looking for thanks

[Protephile]

Ig, it wasn't the original question that made us sound like assholes, it was the attitude afterward...a lot of us are just trying to help with honest answers.
I'm glad you learned how to do it on your own, and I hope he does too.

[igdrasil]

Ig, it wasn't the original question that made us sound like assholes, it was the attitude afterward...a lot of us are just trying to help with honest answers.
I'm glad you learned how to do it on your own, and I hope he does too.

Ah, dont worry, it wasnt about your comment, but the 1st comment made by fixedspicylsd.


Honestly, this is going to sound harsh, but if you can't afford to buy it all at once, you can't afford a blown motor or ANY problems, and really shouldnt get one. Wait till your financial picture is better, don't just do this because you want more power like everyone else.


And the Jack Daniel saying its a good advise.... c'mon.

Even the 600whp proyect never went out the 1st run with 600whp. Right now its been sleeping and shooting for 800whp.

[Jack Daniels]

Well, I don't want to get in a pissing match, but I stand by my words. It's not a great idea to build a turbo setup piecemeal because you can't afford the whole thing at one time. It is good advice to save your money, learn about what you want to do while saving and when you have enough to buy a setup, do it then. I'm not going to go into detail about why it's a bad idea, that should be blatently obvious.

[JAmazan]

Well, while I can agree where if you have little knowledge of turbo systems a kit might be better, its also expensive. So with that peicing your kit one part at a time actually teach you more on the topic....not to mention alot cheaper. and in get to learn in the process. I was reading the first thread and was like whoa, no one is answering that poor kids question........boy, now I will think twice before asking a question since it seems like people are quicker with their .02 then with any useful info. blowing a motor with a turbo system is a result of stupidity....not the turbo.....

[JAmazan]

800whp On Protege= Damn

[Jack Daniels]

Ah, dont worry, it wasnt about your comment, but the 1st comment made by fixedspicylsd.


And the Jack Daniel saying its a good advise.... c'mon.

Even the 600whp proyect never went out the 1st run with 600whp. Right now its been sleeping and shooting for 800whp.

Tell me more about this 600whp project.

[ghettobubba2001]

shrug when u turbo a car - most people dont know how to drive it at all if they never have before, therefore if u dont know how to drive a car you dont know how a turbo works. im not critizing anyone... you should go drive ur buddys srt-4 or evo and try it out to see if it is even something you would like... and boost is addicting so keep that in mind.

[igdrasil]

Tell me more about this 600whp project.

got some pics and videos...but its easier for me to paste the link where I posted last time, its in off topic:

605whp - post # 13

(http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123623104) http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123623104

[lasermp5]

What you can't afford is that shitty POS OBX manifold. Ya, p5 obx header might be a good buy, but I've heard bad bad things about that manifold... beau is right when he says something to the effect of "the bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweet deal you got on a cheap ebay manifold..." somethign like that.

Edit: also doesn't mean that you have to get a big expensive mam manifold... I would just steer clear of the obx, that's all I'm saying.

[Jack Daniels]

got some pics and videos...but its easier for me to paste the link where I posted last time, its in off topic:

605whp - post # 13

(http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123623104) http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123623104

Is that your 323?

[igdrasil]

Is that your 323?

Nope... I helped him a bit on his setup, but he knows a lot more than I do. Hes a local builder and programmer. Some work done on my P5 is made by him, and as soon as I get the money for my forged setup, hes the one that is going to do the manifold and engine assembly.

Problem is, his ego has been climbing very fast, and along with it....his prices.

[Jack Daniels]

Nope... I helped him a bit on his setup, but he knows a lot more than I do. Hes a local builder and programmer. Some work done on my P5 is made by him, and as soon as I get the money for my forged setup, hes the one that is going to do the manifold and engine assembly.

Problem is, his ego has been climbing very fast, and along with it....his prices.

That's one quick little car.

[wipedawg]

IMO... If i had plans to turbo a p5... i'd save for a rebuild with forged parts... then start piecing the turbo together. It would suck bad if you spent months piecing together a kit, and had your motor blow. Flat out the 2.0 is a weak engine, and needs to be made stronger in order to safely run a turbo.

[igdrasil]

IMO... If i had plans to turbo a p5... i'd save for a rebuild with forged parts... then start piecing the turbo together. It would suck bad if you spent months piecing together a kit, and had your motor blow. Flat out the 2.0 is a weak engine, and needs to be made stronger in order to safely run a turbo.

The only weak part in the engine is the rod. The rest is solid for 600whp.

You can use the stock pistons or use Kia or Protege 1.8L pistons on the MAM rods for $400.00. It has been tested for 22psi without issues. The Protege 1.8 has stronger ring lands so I think they will handle a little bit more boost.
The stock piston pin fits on it. It just need some grinding on the piston to install the clips for full floating.

[wipedawg]

The only weak part in the engine is the rod. The rest is solid for 600whp.

You can use the stock pistons or use Kia or Protege 1.8L pistons on the MAM rods for $400.00. It has been tested for 22psi without issues. The Protege 1.8 has stronger ring lands so I think they will handle a little bit more boost.
The stock piston pin fits on it. It just need some grinding on the piston to install the clips for full floating.
who knows. But none of the other components will hold up to the 200hp he's trying to achieve. Tranny wont last, clutch wont last, axles are at risk. The p5 is just a weak car period in every aspect except handling. Dont get me wrong... i like mine a lot, and love driving it everyday, but it'll just take a lot of work to have a completely reliable 200whp p5. I was running a fmax turbo kit with an open wastegate on my 98 prelude, with a low compression gasket, running 16 psi and dyno'd at 412 at the wheels. That was on all stock internals, and the car still felt strong and used the clutch from when i installed the turbo at 52k to 74k before i needed to replace it with a clutchmasters.

[igdrasil]

Oh yes, the axles, tranny, clutch are strong and will hold for 200whp just fine, I ran 200whp for 2 years, never broke anything except the rods, past 220whp. The block is strong, even stronger than any same class honda engine. Handling is a lot better than the same class hondas.

The engine breaks because of the lenght of the stroke, thats it. You put this same stock rod on a shorter stroke engine, and it will hold way much HP than on the FS engine.




who knows. But none of the other components will hold up to the 200hp he's trying to achieve. Tranny wont last, clutch wont last, axles are at risk. The p5 is just a weak car period in every aspect except handling. Dont get me wrong... i like mine a lot, and love driving it everyday, but it'll just take a lot of work to have a completely reliable 200whp p5. I was running a fmax turbo kit with an open wastegate on my 98 prelude, with a low compression gasket, running 16 psi and dyno'd at 412 at the wheels. That was on all stock internals, and the car still felt strong and used the clutch from when i installed the turbo at 52k to 74k before i needed to replace it with a clutchmasters.

[joey]

i hate faggots like this more than i hate people who shoot down other peoples ideas.. people like this i usually learn are full of shit more than knowledge. and commen sense is based on commen knowledge, commen sense to a pro machanic is not commen knowledge to the daily driver who has no machanic skills. anyone can lossen bolts and put them back on but it takes help from experiance person to help put things back together and to do the job right. thats why this furom was developed not to critasize what lvl of educations you think someone has.

Yeah, but in this case he has a point. In a post criticizing someone telling you to get an education, you misspelled so many words that it was nearly unreadable.

Commen = common (4 times)
machanic = mechanic
lossen = loosen
eperiance = experience
furom = forum
critasize = critisize
educations = education

[overdrivex]

Yeah, but in this case he has a point. In a post criticizing someone telling you to get an education, you misspelled so many words that it was nearly unreadable.

Commen = common (4 times)
machanic = mechanic
lossen = loosen
eperiance = experience
furom = forum
critasize = critisize
educations = education

i typ fast and dont go back and check for fuckin miss spelled words ths is just a quick post im not submitting an esssay for some damn review

[aMaff]

seriously, this is, for the most part, a tech forum, not to be confused w/ grammar school. Did you understand what he was saying? Good, so did I. Get off his jock lol.

And on that note, welcome to the forums (thumb)

[Bigg Tim]

Oh yes, the axles, tranny, clutch are strong and will hold for 200whp just fine, I ran 200whp for 2 years, never broke anything except the rods, past 220whp. The block is strong, even stronger than any same class honda engine. Handling is a lot better than the same class hondas.

The engine breaks because of the lenght of the stroke, thats it. You put this same stock rod on a shorter stroke engine, and it will hold way much HP than on the FS engine.

Exactly, the stock setup will hold more then 200whp safely if done right! I ran for over 1 1/2 years making over 220whp and almost 3 years making over 200whp, so to say the rest won't hold up is BS. No we will not make the power that honda's make, but 200whp is a very reliable number if done right!

[overdrivex]

on the turbo discription i see alot of various trim settings.. would having a lower trim respond better at lower boost like 6-7psi? or is it the opposite? or does trim have nothing to do with how it spools.

[overdrivex]

http://www.turbomustangs.com/turbotech/main.htm#history

found a link where everthing works

[igdrasil]

Not exactly, but somehow. It will all depend on shaft sizes and flow.

An easier read than the link you found is this:

www.turbobygarrett.com

There find the Turbo Tech 101, 102.

103 is really advanced.


on the turbo discription i see alot of various trim settings.. would having a lower trim respond better at lower boost like 6-7psi? or is it the opposite? or does trim have nothing to do with how it spools.

[SkinnyJoint]

wow.... just because he wants to piece everything together in a slower time y the fuck is everyone knocking him? when i build a computer i dont buy all the fucking parts at one time sometimes ill buy a mobo, then a chip. wait a week and get some ram etc. are u going to tell me that i should wait until i have all the money because i couldnt afford if my chip overheats or the hard drive fails on me or what not.

i see no problem with buying a couple things here and there over a couple months.