my car is dead

[Red Devil P5]

well i was headed home to KC from school in Lincoln Nebraska when the imfamous rattle hit my car and then 30 miles later my engine seezed on me and all you can hear now is a knocking sound and i had it towed to a local dealership where they called me the next day and said oil was spilled everywhere. anyone have any idea how much a new engine with labor costs and everything usually is at a dealership?? im either going to have it fixed or just saying f**k it and getting a new car

[Diehonda]

what happened? What caused it to seize?

[aMaff]

and is it still under warranty?

[GNO]

For a new engine your looking at about $2500 and another $1500 for labor. I bought a motor locally that only had 6k on it for $900 and put it in over a weekend. I've seen used motors for as low as $150, but there's another $250 shipping to tack on. Is yours a 5 speed? If so and you end up wanting to get rid of it, hit me up.

[ronin12]

I am sorry to hear about your motor, if you're gonna get the motor replaced check out the FS thread page 7: NA motor build, they just dropped the price to $2800. for a built motor. You aren't that far from canada, roadtrip to pick-up then have a weekend BBQ for your buddies to help swap motors, or get it shipped to local garage or whomever to have them install. Hope it helps, I saw it for sale a little while ago and thought it was pretty sweet! Good Luck!

[aMaff]

I bet you never check your oil level...
um...uncalled for say what?

[aMaff]

yeah, but u haven't heard the story, so I think he at least gets the benefit of the doubt until we hear otherwise...anyway, that's not what the thread's abt...Find the man a new engine!

[santisurf]

looking for under 6000 $ i just had mine replaced by mazda usa.... took 1 week :( but it runs better now brandnew engine!! yuppey! (boom07)

[Red Devil P5]

Engines don't just randomly seize up unless ran low on oil. The chances of spontanenous loss of oil are pretty low on an otherwise mostly stock P5 engine.

yeah why dont we not be a total ass to me.....whata ya say?

ive been a car enthusist for years.....and there was plenty of oil in the car i get it changed religously ever 2k miles and i know there was oil in the car due to the massive amount of oil that was spilled under the car while it was sittin at the dealership.....i have an extended warrenty to 90k (47k) on the car now but i doubt they will cover it because of engine work ive done to the car.

[santisurf]

yeah why dont we not be a total ass to me.....whata ya say?

ive been a car enthusist for years.....and there was plenty of oil in the car i get it changed religously ever 2k miles and i know there was oil in the car due to the massive amount of oil that was spilled under the car while it was sittin at the dealership.....i have an extended warrenty to 90k (47k) on the car now but i doubt they will cover it because of engine work ive done to the car.

slap them stock parts on there.... always keep ur st0ck stuff!! (thumb)

[Roywhitep5]

could it be a screw?

[santisurf]

could it be a screw?

lol like mine they said it was a screw replaced the entire engine
LMAO CHEAP DEALERS!

[uiuc240]

What engine work have you done? Do you have any idea at all what caused it to seize??

Eric

[jflo]

infamous rattle...VTCS screw ? or loose bolt somewhere

[overdrivex]

from the list in ur sig all you have are headers and intake on the engine its self. depends on what happen exactly but in the end its all up to the dealer. wether tey want to be an ass or not. if you have fulll coverage depending on your insurance plan you can go through them but it really depends on your coverage. well that and what the dealer claims to have cuased the engine failure. but thats what 3rd party second opinions are for. little money under the table they will tell the insurance company that aliens obducted your car and anal probed it.

[Red Devil P5]

from the list in ur sig all you have are headers and intake on the engine its self. depends on what happen exactly but in the end its all up to the dealer. wether tey want to be an ass or not. if you have fulll coverage depending on your insurance plan you can go through them but it really depends on your coverage. well that and what the dealer claims to have cuased the engine failure. but thats what 3rd party second opinions are for. little money under the table they will tell the insurance company that aliens obducted your car and anal probed it.

little money under the table they will tell the insurance company that aliens obducted your car and anal probed it. lmfao that is the funniest thing all day. thanks i really needed that.

i really wont know anything until monday but they did say the engine is toast and they will let me know what coverage will happen and what not or no coverage at all. if its no coverage im not going to replace the engine im just going to get a new car....i'll just trade it in and get like 3000 out of it (or if anyone has experience and has an idea of what i could get) and get a 06 TC or an 06 Tiburon.

[overdrivex]

tc is nice wouldnt mind owning an audi A3 mmmm turbo yummy

[Robot Romeo]

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[Robot Romeo]

sorry to hear, hope it works out for you. i would avoid the tiburon and stick with the tc, or you could buy a 94 miata and not owe a thing. (thumb)

[Replica]

tC's are neat, set yourself free from the mazda!

[aMaff]

must....resist...posting....my review of the tC....
Slow, heavy, bad visibilty, hella body roll, and the radio buttons are about => o that big... I really wanted 1...glad I got the P5 instead...

[Replica]

must....resist...posting....my review of the tC....
Slow, heavy, bad visibilty, hella body roll, and the radio buttons are about => o that big... I really wanted 1...glad I got the P5 instead...
Slow compared to a P5? They run mid 15's at about 90mph, your P5 does not.

The body roll is pretty bad, but the chasis feels capable of greater things. With some sway bars they handle like a champ. Visibility isn't great because it is a coupe compared to a wagon, just comes with the territory of owning a coupe.

Do i need to post my review of a year and a half of P5 ownership? (ugh)

[aMaff]

hahaha. Ok, I drove an auto, I'm sure the manual would be far better. I think it does outweigh the P5 by about 5-600 lbs tho. Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad car, in my opinion, the P5's a lot better tho. And no, you don't have to, I believe I've read it already lol

[Red Devil P5]

i heard from mazda this morning....they still dont know what caused it yet but are going to tear apart the engine to figure it out....basically what is happening they said is that a shit ton of pressure us building up in the engine and its blowing the gasket on the oil filter....they replaced the one i had on there and put a new gasket and filter on and then filled her up with oil and could still hear the knocking and minute later it blew that gasket and filter also......any idea's guys....the new engine is going to be around 3500

[Hughes412]

Who is this dickhead Heph? I've seen bits of his post and he's always being an ass. I tryed looking him up but he's not in the members list. Hopfully he's been banned.

Anyways a buddy of mine got a used one with 40k on it for like 800.00 installed with warrenty (like 12k I think). So I would call around to a local shop and junk yards. From what I heard looking for him one most engines are good they just get wrecked alot.

Good luck.

[Hughes412]

i heard from mazda this morning....they still dont know what caused it yet but are going to tear apart the engine to figure it out....basically what is happening they said is that a shit ton of pressure us building up in the engine and its blowing the gasket on the oil filter....they replaced the one i had on there and put a new gasket and filter on and then filled her up with oil and could still hear the knocking and minute later it blew that gasket and filter also......any idea's guys....the new engine is going to be around 3500


If you have the extended warranty it shouldn't cost anything. But can the EGR tub be blocked and causing it to build up backpressure? I really don't know but I see you have a wagner header and that thing is known for having a block EGR fitting.

[Replica]

hahaha. Ok, I drove an auto, I'm sure the manual would be far better. I think it does outweigh the P5 by about 5-600 lbs tho. Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad car, in my opinion, the P5's a lot better tho. And no, you don't have to, I believe I've read it already lol
They weigh about 150 more than a P5. Although they do feel alot bigger. (boom07)

[bazooka joe]

infamous rattle...VTCS screw ? or loose bolt somewhere

2002...it was the 03's with the problem...right?

[aMaff]

They weigh about 150 more than a P5. Although they do feel alot bigger. (boom07)
really?? I thought they were like 31 or 3200 lbs... (the P5 weighs in at around 2800). I've been wrong b4 lol. And yes, they feel huge! (the A pillar is gynormous...)

[SkinnyJoint]

2002...it was the 03's with the problem...right?
yes 03s got recalled

[MonsterB]

yes 03s got recalled

Not all of them

[SkinnyJoint]

wow... ok but the recall was only on 03's how about that. he was concerned that maybe it was the 02's as well

[Red Devil P5]

well i heard from mazda today.....the reason that the engine seezed was due to a faulty spring that regulates the amount of oil pressure that is released into the engine....and it was putting way to much pressure in which caused the engine to find the weakest area to release the pressure (the oil filter)....my extedended warrenty through Olymipcare is going to cover it and ill get a new engine free of charge...only downfall is that the engine is used and is going to have 27,000 miles on it....which i guess is still ok since my engine now has 47,000 miles but im still going to get rid of the car here in about a month....for some reason i dont like having cars after something major happens to them...i dont like waiting around for the next big thing ya know.

[Replica]

im still going to get rid of the car here in about a month....for some reason i dont like having cars after something major happens to them...i dont like waiting around for the next big thing ya know.
Once a car pisses me off to a point, i dont want it anymore.

tC's are neat. You know you want one! (thumb)

[SkinnyJoint]

i dont see what the big deal is majority of cars are going to have some kind of problem. so in your case your engine blew up and you get a motor with 20k less miles. if you think about it thats a good thing. an 02 with 27k miles is what ull be driving. dont know why u would want to get rid of that.... makes no sense to me

[aMaff]

i dont see what the big deal is majority of cars are going to have some kind of problem. so in your case your engine blew up and you get a motor with 20k less miles. if you think about it thats a good thing. an 02 with 27k miles is what ull be driving. dont know why u would want to get rid of that.... makes no sense to me
That's what I was thinking...I'd take it as a blessing. That's 20k more miles till u have to do major work too (aka timing belt lol)

[SkinnyJoint]

hahah stole the words out of my mouth i was going to say blessing because thats the perfect word but thats just not somthing i would say

[bazooka joe]

i dont see what the big deal is majority of cars are going to have some kind of problem. so in your case your engine blew up and you get a motor with 20k less miles. if you think about it thats a good thing. an 02 with 27k miles is what ull be driving. dont know why u would want to get rid of that.... makes no sense to me

ya, what he said!

[santisurf]

well i heard from mazda today.....the reason that the engine seezed was due to a faulty spring that regulates the amount of oil pressure that is released into the engine....and it was putting way to much pressure in which caused the engine to find the weakest area to release the pressure (the oil filter)....my extedended warrenty through Olymipcare is going to cover it and ill get a new engine free of charge...only downfall is that the engine is used and is going to have 27,000 miles on it....which i guess is still ok since my engine now has 47,000 miles but im still going to get rid of the car here in about a month....for some reason i dont like having cars after something major happens to them...i dont like waiting around for the next big thing ya know.
lmao don't worry about it soo much my engine is brand new 0 miles. and im at 3000 now and loving it trust me keep it they do well!!! (cheers) cheers!

anyone else agree?

[aMaff]

anyone else agree?
Um...it's a Mazda forum, what do you expect the answer to be? I'm pretty sure something along the lines of HELL YEYAH!!!

[Replica]

i dont see what the big deal is majority of cars are going to have some kind of problem. so in your case your engine blew up and you get a motor with 20k less miles. if you think about it thats a good thing. an 02 with 27k miles is what ull be driving. dont know why u would want to get rid of that.... makes no sense to me
An engine blowing isn't just a little problem. If I can't expect to get at least 150,000-200,000 miles out of a modern car, it's totally unacceptable. Hell, my wife's 1991 civic has 190,000....runs like a champ even though it leaves puddles. (thumb)

[santisurf]

An engine blowing isn't just a little problem. If I can't expect to get at least 150,000-200,000 miles out of a modern car, it's totally unacceptable. Hell, my wife's 1991 civic has 190,000....runs like a champ even though it leaves puddles. (thumb)

you need to understand ur wife probably dirives like a old lady that just came out of church (hah) but! no here u have replica stepping on it on ever turn b/c its a much more fun car...... my friend has a protege5 and has over 150,000 so but he drives like an old lady . lol (cheers) cheers!

[P-Funk!]

This is (AFAIK) the first occurence of this failure. Most have been reliable. I would keep it. Unless you have just been itching for a new car (and higher payments) and need an excuse...

[Diehonda]

you need to understand ur wife probably dirives like a old lady that just came out of church (hah) but! no here u have replica stepping on it on ever turn b/c its a much more fun car...... my friend has a protege5 and has over 150,000 so but he drives like an old lady . lol (cheers) cheers!


I have right over 130K on my 2002 MP5 and drive a bit above the preferred speeds and behavior. Only problems I have had so far is a caliper sticking, an ignition coil taking a crap, and my first cat has died. To me that is nothing.

[Red Devil P5]

i just always feel more comfortable owning a car that hasnt had a major problem.....and payments arnt a problem ive never bought a car that i couldnt pay for then and there. so i will probably end up with a scion tc 2006 5 speed with the TRD supercharger (its a toyota so i know it will last for awhile).

[ronin12]

i just always feel more comfortable owning a car that hasnt had a major problem.....and payments arnt a problem ive never bought a car that i couldnt pay for then and there. so i will probably end up with a scion tc 2006 5 speed with the TRD supercharger (its a toyota so i know it will last for awhile).
just because it hasn't had a major problem doesn't mean that it won't. Buying a new car you will take the hit as soon as you drive off the lot(depreciation) buying used you don't know what you will get. Even the most reliable brand of car has its issues. There are no guarantees with any car. I have seen mazdas with over 100k running like a champ, then you hear horror stories from peeps who have had nothing but bad luck. One last thing is that it also depends on how you care for the car, as long as you do routine maint. when needed yuo should be able to catch most problems and the car will last a long time. I would keep it and enjoy it for what it is a fun car (thumb)

[hellbillypro5]

i agree my wagon has around 88 on the clock and it is still running just as good as the day that i bought it..and i run the shit out of it every day

[Replica]

you need to understand ur wife probably dirives like a old lady that just came out of church (hah) but! no here u have replica stepping on it on ever turn b/c its a much more fun car...... my friend has a protege5 and has over 150,000 so but he drives like an old lady . lol (cheers) cheers!
Well, I used to beat the crap out of my old 1994 civic and i was running boost.....got roughly 190,000 out of it. My friend's 1995 Civic si had 185,000 when the clutch went out. Friend's 1990 Corolla has 130,000 still runs good. Even the old Protege's run for quite some time. There have been alot of reports, just on this board alone of people eating motors under 100,000 miles. i'm not trying to be a jerk about the issue, but there's certainly something about Mazda quality that goes beyond a shadow of doubt....

[SkinnyJoint]

dude.... ur not thinking clearly or somthing, every product that comes out has some kinda of failure rate 98% or somthing. including electronics everything. just because your engine went doesnt mean ur going to get another bad engine, and an engine going doesnt mean ur suspension will go, or your electrical wiring is fucked in the car. id be happy if this was me but u seem to have your mind set so gl in your new car purchase.

one final thought. with that percentage i gave you what are the odds that another motor will have a problem??? since this is your second motor you just reduced your odds of this happening again greatly. go buy another car and your back up to the main percentage

[Red Devil P5]

im not trying to make you guys make me look like a dumbass here. ive had this car for 3 years now...ive had my run with it and its had its share of problems...instead of cridising me for wanting to sell it and get something new why dont you try and support me in this like most of the other people get on here. like you said its my decision not yours. if you would want to keep it id be perfectly cool with that because its your decision...dont come at me with saying im not thinking clearly, i know cars have problems, just because i want to move onto something new doesnt mean im denying that. ive had my fill and my fun with my p5....id figure everyone would be excited for me parting it out....guess not.

[santisurf]

Well, I used to beat the crap out of my old 1994 civic and i was running boost.....got roughly 190,000 out of it. My friend's 1995 Civic si had 185,000 when the clutch went out. Friend's 1990 Corolla has 130,000 still runs good. Even the old Protege's run for quite some time. There have been alot of reports, just on this board alone of people eating motors under 100,000 miles. i'm not trying to be a jerk about the issue, but there's certainly something about Mazda quality that goes beyond a shadow of doubt....
thats my exact point!!! PROTEGES ARE GOOD! EVEN WITH A REBUILT!

[hellbillypro5]

well i wasnt saying that i was saying that i love my car and it has a shit load of miles on it and its still holding there but hey good luck on finding a new car

[overdrivex]

im telling you audi A3 man get the 05 or something.that car got some booty roll but we all know how to fix that. i think if i had the ability i would get one..stock turbo with 6speed tranny, warranty dont get any better than that in my opinion...haha but the tc is nice i think i said this already but i think it worth mentioning again hahaha.

[santisurf]

im telling you audi A3 man get the 05 or something.that car got some booty roll but we all know how to fix that. i think if i had the ability i would get one..stock turbo with 6speed tranny, warranty dont get any better than that in my opinion...haha but the tc is nice i think i said this already but i think it worth mentioning again hahaha.

TRADOR! (deadhorse lol (hah) its ur car man make ur decision!

[ejb2112]

I've had my all-stock 2002 P5 since I drove it home from the dealer almost 4 years ago, and it's been near-perfect. My wife likes to derisively (but in good fun) call it an econo-box, but hey, I was able to pay for it outright, and it's been worth every penny.

Anyway, until I started reading this thread, I have never imagined getting in, turning the key, and it NOT starting. I have been so spoiled; now I'll be thinking about all the things you guys have been dealing with.

Oh well, doesn't matter. I'm still not going to change my driving habits (which are somewhat "spirited"), and still plan to keep it another 4 years.

[Moeed]

Dont worry so much man, this is a small percentage of cars out of the thousands on thousands that are built. I am sure every car manufacturer has its share of lemons. I am at 54k, turboed at 36. Havent been happier or ran stronger.

[ejb2112]

You're right. Shouldn't get my panties in a knot over this. I've had 50K+ trouble-free miles so far; no reason to think the next 50K won't be the same.

Anyway, you know what I like best? I like that, after 4 years of ownership, I STILL love looking at this car. And driving it. And owning it.

[baconbitz]

i can totally understand you wanting a new car after something like this happened. i know that if the same situation were to happen to me i would be getting a new car. go for it and find something that you can have as much if not more fun than you had in your p5.