Who is gonna hit 12s first on stock motor..?

[jeffmsp]

Ok, after arguing with Ghost for a while and having the thread closed in the MSP general section, it made me realize how close alot of the members on this forum are to hitting 12s on slicks. This is going to be the year of the MAZDASPEED PROTEGE getting noticed at the qm track around north america, not just the autoX and road course.

Magnus Motorsports ran 13.1 last year here in Canada with a FMIC, turboback,clutch,13psi,raegas and slicks.This was done on the STOCK UNFLASHED ECU,motor and trans. My buddy was at the track to witness the run and was flabergasted to see a MSP just like mine hit 13.1 with no EMS.

BLKZOOMZOOM achieved the impossible running 13.15 with slicks, racegas,13psi MPI tuned and exhaust. Pretty much stock everything aside from that. Before he was running the MPI he used sensor tricks to achieve similar results.

Both of these qm times were with great drivers and prove to me that with a proper engineered system, the MSP can see high 12s no problem, stock motor,turbo and trans. The Magnus car shows us that with a few key bolt ons the speed can really move, and BlkZoomZooms car show us that even without the bolt ons, tuning can get us much farther than you would think on the stock motor. Neither of these cars changed out the intake manifold or used a tubular exhaust manifold. We all know what kind of power can be unlocked right there.

For those who think these were one off experiences and that the rods cant hold up, blkzoomzoom made 200 QM passes before the rods blew out. As far as I know the magnus car is also still rolling. (correct me if im wrong)

I figure at least 10-20 people from this boards are getting to the 240+WHP area. Going by the info we have I think its very possible this spring is going to have a bunch of MSPs posting high 12 second times on this board. I can think of 5 people on this board offhand who "should" be able to pull it off already with slicks, and by the way things are looking alot of us are going to be getting there soon.

I remember when I first started trolling this board a long time ago, the thought of a 12 second MSP on stock internals was rediculous, heck just getting a part shipped to you on time seemed like a real chore. Its amazing to see how far our MSP community and aftermarket support have come in such a short time. after the rest of the SCC community seemed to forget about the MSP and proteges, Im sure this year we are going to have them talking more than ever.

Just thought i would give a heads up for whats to come. If anyone has anything to add to this thread please feel free to do so.

[TXMazdaSpeeder]

This was kind of my theory, i want to see how fast i can hti on the stock motor, turbo, trans, and exhaust mani. I'll be running bolt ons with a unichip, i'd try it on the stock ecu but this car is my daily driver so i need to be safe as i can be.

[anarchistchiken]

after the rest of the SCC community seemed to forget about the MSP, Im sure this year we are going to have them talking more than ever.


Yes, a few cars running high 12 sure will have them excited.

[jeffmsp]

Yes, a few cars running high 12 sure will have them excited.

exactly. A few cars will show the thousands upon thousands of stock motor FSDE drivers that for a reasonable amount of money they can have a high 12 second performer that handles great and is inexpensive to buy,operate and insure.

[jsahyoun]

It seems unreasonable that people are spending all of this money on Built motors and gigantic turbos. Yet people with simple bolt-ons on their MSP are achieving very similar results. It sems like with a few bol-ons you can get low 13s or high 12s maybe. With tyhousands of dollars spent on a block and turbo EMS how much farther will it get you?

[anarchistchiken]

I dunno man, I mean I'd love to see more fast stock motor proteges around, but these cars already have such a bad rep for popping motors.

[jeffmsp]

I dunno man, I mean I'd love to see more fast stock motor proteges around, but these cars already have such a bad rep for popping motors.

Im yet to see one properly engineered system pop aside from BrianMP5Ts redlining 5th gear going over 230KMH and indigrisil sp? trying to set a HP record or something in his P5 blew on a dyno(sure he can fill us in). Other than that can you show me a properly tuned MSP with all the required bolt ons that popped? I havent found one. I have found alot of people with popped motors with really nice MBCs with no EMS or supporting mods to back it up. If you can find me a proeprly engineered MSP that blew I will agree, but until then its all been the MODDERS FAULT! not the motors.

[TXMazdaSpeeder]

Thats exactly why im doing all of my safety mods before starting in on the performance mods. The only thing that scares me is my LSD.

[anarchistchiken]

I'm not claiming that I can, and I know that stock motors can hold insane ammounts of power, I've ridden in 505Zooms 15 psi 300 whp beast, but then I know a lot about proteges. 95% of the tuner community doesn't know anything except what they hear, and the MSPs have a repuation as engine poppers.

I'm sure what you're saying can be done, it probably wont be a problem for a few committed people, I'm just saying that your hopes for a revival in the tuner community might be a little optimistic.

[jeffmsp]

With tyhousands of dollars spent on a block and turbo EMS how much farther will it get you?

Figure out how fast you wanna go, then decide what changes you need to make in the bottom end. The 3 guys you wanna talk to are MPNick, Beau from MAM and Juan from Hiboost in no particular order. They are all great guys that have done tons for our community and aftermarket/ They can help you decide what you do and dont need to upgrade to get you where you wanna be. So far 13.1 is the best stock motor time.

[jeffmsp]

I'm sure what you're saying can be done, it probably wont be a problem for a few committed people, I'm just saying that your hopes for a revival in the tuner community might be a little optimistic.

lol I know, we never really had a presence to revive in the first place, I just wanna see more Proteges getting noticed in the SCC scene. Open up any SCC mag and your lucky to get a pic of a protege in the background lol they are like cult cars.

[anarchistchiken]

Very true. The forum goes nuts whenever theres a stock P5 or sedan in the background of some commercial. And then whenever a Pro is featured in a magazine, it's usually a slammed, graphix covered monstrosity with a turbo kit added for show.

[daedalus]

Me ME!!! Call on me! I'm shooting for it this summer. I think i'm going to try and get a GTX tranny installed before strapping on the slicks, but i'm definatly going to up the boost to 15psi or so and go make you guys proud!

I dont have a stock motor, but regardless, there are not enough 12 sec. MSP's on here when there should and could be. I agree.

Great topic, thanks for posting it up to get people talking and THINKING.

[mazdaspeed75]

I need to get my motor build in the works and ill go out and try . Its alot of load on the motor with slicks . I may not have the power to get 12s but i think low to mid 13 s possible. I guess i could turn the boost up. And yea i havenmt heard of anyone with the proper mods blowing up. Someone is holding secrets on the motor capabilities. I have seen some 13.1 a.f and it didnt even blick I also run in 100 degree weahter and 30 degree weather and no probs Pulls retarded in cold wether though. 2nd gear is useless.

[mazdaspeed75]

Come on people whos going to BREAK the 12 s.

[POSEIDON]

It just costs money folks.

[wicked]

some one sponsors me for a FMIC,and intake to fit my GT28RS,and I will pull 12s for you,my car dosn't have a stock bottom end,but whatever.

[mazdaspeed75]

Dam you dont have a fmic . Shit that was like the first thing i got. Heatsoak is a bitch on smic. Sponser me a built motor and ill hit soem 12s . Track day coming soon Ill get vid . This dam thing is going to run mid 13s or iam taking the line of the wastegate (alright)

[livelyjay]

I might start hitting the 1/4 mile track this coming summer. I doubt I'll be able to get good times since I've never run before, but the mid 13s are my goal. A few years down the road I may try for 12s, but that will require full EMS and not just an AFC.

[wicked]

Dam you dont have a fmic . Shit that was like the first thing i got. Heatsoak is a bitch on smic. Sponser me a built motor and ill hit soem 12s . Track day coming soon Ill get vid . This dam thing is going to run mid 13s or iam taking the line of the wastegate (alright)



I have a FMIC,but I don't feel the core cools enough,and the pipes are steel.

other then a few little things,my car is ready for the 12s.

[jeffmsp]

haha 626 IM should be ordered today from protegegarage, i got a great deal, my custom tubular manifold is almost done, I think Im gonna hit 13s on stock boost(which is around 8-9 now) and with the slicks im hoping a 12.9. now i just gotta change the climate in canada to get rid of all this ice and snow and i should be ready to hit the track in no time.

also, wicked why dont you sell your fmic setup to someone who isnt looking to put down as much power and get a BEGI or another vendors kit. I still havent even been able to heat up my begi fmic with the stock turbo. very efficient.

[mazdaspeed75]

I promise 12s are capable on the stock motor . Its just how many times if not one time down the track. I ran a srt tonight that runs a 13.5 or 13.4 and he only got me at the end of third by about a car . He traps 106 so ireally think with traction we could get 12s . I need more whp to get there iam at 12 psi and thats not enough on my setup i think 14 or so may give me some more i also think the 626 intake will free up soem more toipend too. One of these runs we did we were at 140 mph . That is the fastest i ever been in my car . I have never been ovber like 115 . That is crazy 140 and a 12.2 a/f . This dam motor is stronger than people think. We are seting up a run with vid soon for yuo nobelivers. . He was running upgreaded wastegate to hold 17 psi , full exhaust , sri and a couple of other smalll things . I was happy with this run at me 12 psi . (boom07)

[Notorious_V.I.C]

Bump for video and Pics of your custom tubular manifold...I'll be ready soon enough for 12s...mmm..actually more like 13-14 cause I haven't been to an actual drag strip. With my mods of course i'll get there...and my other goodies yet to be installed...

[BlkZoomZoom]

10bux says I get the next MSP into the 12's. A local guy I did the work on was running very low 14.'s at 103-4mph on the stock turbo and engine the end of last year.
He has a very nice set-up going, it works. I am "sponsering" him some tires when the track opens up again. Good tires and me driving will net low 13's at that mph. That was 11psi by the way. Time will tell.

[mazdaspeed75]

Come on Help me. I bet that isnt without some head work or some port and polishing . This head isnt flowing enough ,atleast that is what it feels like to me in the upper rpms. I will have some vid this weekend of the srt and i running. Track vid hopefully soon too. Yea iam at 12 psi I think i need a few more psi to tweak my sweet spot. I got my proof tonight , with running him There is no doubt i will break into 13.7 or so range maybe lower. He was impressed too . (hah) I was impressed that this dam thing went 140 mph

[BlkZoomZoom]

No port work. Haven't even taken the intake manifold to pull the vtcs out.

[mazdaspeed75]

HMM Then what work have you done for him? I have no secrets. Fmic ,cai, full exhaust , ebc, Mpi extra injectors and lots of timming pulled. 12 PSI . No secrets or tricks to say iam stock. Get vid too .

[SRTguy04]

I promise 12s are capable on the stock motor . Its just how many times if not one time down the track. I ran a srt tonight that runs a 13.5 or 13.4 and he only got me at the end of third by about a car . He traps 106 so ireally think with traction we could get 12s . I need more whp to get there iam at 12 psi and thats not enough on my setup i think 14 or so may give me some more i also think the 626 intake will free up soem more toipend too. One of these runs we did we were at 140 mph . That is the fastest i ever been in my car . I have never been ovber like 115 . That is crazy 140 and a 12.2 a/f . This dam motor is stronger than people think. We are seting up a run with vid soon for yuo nobelivers. . He was running upgreaded wastegate to hold 17 psi , full exhaust , sri and a couple of other smalll things . I was happy with this run at me 12 psi . (boom07)

The upgraded wastegate is set to 17spike and i hold like 13 or so to redline... need to tweak it out where i can hold 15 to redline!! Tony's car runs stronger than I was thinking it would have... Good job on the tuning ... too bad i just drive a neon!!

[BlkZoomZoom]

The upgraded wastegate is set to 17spike and i hold like 13 or so to redline... need to tweak it out where i can hold 15 to redline!! Tony's car runs stronger than I was thinking it would have... Good job on the tuning ... too bad i just drive a neon!!

yeah, too bad for you.

[smo0f]

by sometime this summer or fall, i will have the most powerful msp.

[mazdaspeed75]

Yea he should be ,and iam not far behind him He only had me by a car or so . (hah)

[SRTguy04]

Yea he should be ,and iam not far behind him He only had me by a car or so . (hah)

by a car OR SO.... the (or so) actually means half a car, in other terms that would be a car and a half!!

and yeah ... I should be in the low 13's its just i took it easy off the launches now because I broke my mid shaft and kinda shy on launching hard again!!

[mazdaspeed75]

yea yea You took the(first) But hey (poke) Iam making a 14 or 15 psi map (gossip) Dont tell no one (butt)