Doing a Custom FMIC

[Notorious_V.I.C]

I want to know what would I need to know besides the dimensions of a IC core to do a custom one?? I would like to go the same route as the Perrin FMIC because its the most direct one. And I looked at the FMIC and SMIC thread for info.

The Core size I'm looking at right now is: 20"x6.5"x3

22"X6"X3" 22X6.5X3.5

24"X6"X3" 24X6.5X3.5

I am looking at the price it would cost for a nice interrcooler core and how much it would cost to make some pipes. I want to see if I cang et away with getting a custom for cheaper or buying a pre-built FMIC kit.


Anyone that has hook-ups with IC pipes, please PM, And any help Where can I find a core that has the inlets in the same direction as the Perrin, so I can get the same pipe routing.

thanks

[Notorious_V.I.C]

So far I've fond one from Bell Intercoolers the dimension is and price
Dimenisions In inches

But I don't know If the inlet is the same as the Perrin. ANd can somone clear up for me If I need the same style intercooler as the perrin to achieve the pipe routing they ahve for our car??

Dimenisions In inches
A 3.00

B 24.00

C 6.00

Air flow CFM
770

Total wight lb.
10.9

Retail MSRP
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[sickspeed94]

if you don't mind a tube fin design... i just ordered one from johnnyracecar.com and from what i hear it's awesome... will be instaled next weekend and i'll give my review.

[Notorious_V.I.C]

where did u get ur piping done?? How much did it cost you??

[sickspeed94]

haven't yet... but i was quoted 250 from matrix performance as a good friend hookup, generally it goes for 350 for aluminum piping or slightly more... since this is custom i'll also be relocating the MAF to right before the TB and i'll be blowing off atmospheric ... turbo----FMIC-----BOV----MAFS----]TB[

[Notorious_V.I.C]

Yea, I want to get piping done too, SS though and want to be able to relocate the MAF...I plan on using the turbo hoses sri if i have enough left over. be able to use my forge bov...too

Finding a nice real nice core, isn't to hard, its just getting the piping done for it, like the perrin I want it as direct as possible...hmmm...

[sickspeed94]

if you think about it (although i don't really know this for sure) when it comes to IC piping i don't think it's as big of a deal if it's direct, as long as you don't use a great deal of piping. pressure loss shouldn't be thAt great. is stainless more espensive or cheaper? i think it's more heavy.

[sandspeed]

not doing a custom setup but i have a begi fmic on the way, i hope it rocks. sickspeed will you have your fmic bolted for the meet?

[sickspeed94]

i get paid the thursday before the meet. i'm making an appointment for that day to have it plumbed... hopefully it'll be ready by friday and i can drive it up saturday... if he can't guarantee it by friday then no it won't be ready. (ghey)

[mspeed101]

You can always pick up used fmic kits for $500-600!

[DiscreetSpeed]

i dont remember my intercooler size, just wanted to say to keep in mind that with the perrin set-up the option for a bigger radiator will no longer be available. but of course that all depends what you have instore for your ride.

[ZenProtege]

Seems like a lot of ppl are going the custom route here lately...............hell yea....

I made my own IC setup for the MSP. PM me if you have any Q's. If your smart about what you buy and use, you will easily spend much less going the custom route. I thought of a few random notes I felt could help.......

Good choice on the IC, have you looked at treadstone IC's? Treadstone IC's are built exactly from bell/spearco designs, but are nearly half the price. The only thing potentially different is the alloy. I talked to a rep. a while back and he couldn't remember what alloy is used.......He looked it up for me but I forgot to call back the next day. (btw, alloy is very important) Go with the bell if you can afford it!

*As far as piping is concerned, I found that there isn't a very big selection for universal or generic IC piping. One of the best kits I found was on ebay..... piping (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/UNIVERSAL-FMIC-INTERCOOLER-PIPING-2-25-CIVIC-INTEGRA_W0QQitemZ8029358094QQcategoryZ33742QQrdZ1Q QcmdZViewItem)

*If your wanting the 'perrin' design, you will probably need that 180 bend to come off the turbo. From my experience, I found thats the best way to get the piping down and out of the way without having to make any sharp bends to the IC.

*Have you looked at my thread on a GI for a few custom IC kits? If you haven't, you can find if in my user info under 'started threads'....... look at the pics.......The pipes are unfinished but they show a design thats similar to what you are wanting.

*The 6.5" IC could possibly hit the bottom of your front lip. there are several plastic tabs on the lip you have to cut down for a 6" to fit, I don't know if they can be shaved enough for a 6.5". You may be able to locate the IC further back towards the radiator to gain a little clearance.

*heres another idea...you could do what I'm considering, which is cutting apprx. 1-2" off the bottom of your bumper support beam out to locate the IC higher. I'm probably doing it so that all my IC sees direct airflow. Raising your IC will get rid of pretty much any clearance issues you may have

* get all your piping welded if possibly

* use a hump hose somwhere

* Avoid using sharp bends if possible

* Buy quality clamps and couplers the first time around.......I've had cheap clamps and couplers and absolutly hated them. They're not worth the money you save!

* logical but noteworthy, use as few of couplers as you can. The less you have the less of a chance you will have of getting leaks or blowing off a coupling
* get a good metal saw and sawblock if you cutting it by hand. don't forget to use a file to clean up the cuts

thats all I can think of for now

[quatelate]

You can always pick up used fmic kits for $500-600!
yeah but hes gonna have a brand new setup that is exactly what he wants for around 650


(sorry i didnt read the post above mine befor writing this second time today)

[sandspeed]

good stuff zenprotege

[Notorious_V.I.C]

Nice ZenProtege ! I'll be looking at your posting and doing more further research! Its either custom or Pre-made....Anything else you can think of???

[Mental Addiction]

I want to know what would I need to know besides the dimensions of a IC core to do a custom one?? I would like to go the same route as the Perrin FMIC because its the most direct one. And I looked at the FMIC and SMIC thread for info.

The Core size I'm looking at right now is: 20"x6.5"x3

22"X6"X3" 22X6.5X3.5

24"X6"X3" 24X6.5X3.5

I am looking at the price it would cost for a nice interrcooler core and how much it would cost to make some pipes. I want to see if I cang et away with getting a custom for cheaper or buying a pre-built FMIC kit.


Anyone that has hook-ups with IC pipes, please PM, And any help Where can I find a core that has the inlets in the same direction as the Perrin, so I can get the same pipe routing.

thanks

We sell our MSP FMIC piping kit for $129. It also includes our SRI pipe as well. You will need a 24x6xwhatever thickness you want core. We also sell cores. Spearco 24x6x3.5" is $175 and 24x6x3.5" Garrett is $225

[Notorious_V.I.C]

Oh! geez Why didn't I know this earlier!! Hmmm!! I might just go with you guys!! I'm getting a bit excited, hmmmm...let me come down and think...

is there something I can see on the website?? How would I order it If I were to do this? Say I just buy a Core from you, I can go any route I want for piping right??

[Mental Addiction]

Oh! geez Why didn't I know this earlier!! Hmmm!! I might just go with you guys!! I'm getting a bit excited, hmmmm...let me come down and think...

is there something I can see on the website?? How would I order it If I were to do this? Say I just buy a Core from you, I can go any route I want for piping right??

The piping can be seen on our MSP FMIC kit,Sleeper and Thumper setups. It's the same pipe routing. As for the core, yes you can route your pipes how you want. The 24" long core filles the lower grill from side to side very well. IoN and myself use the 24" long cores. As for ordering it, PM me.
We have quit a bit of stuff for the DIY guys. Bends, silicone, piping,etc. We don't advertise it because most do not want to do it themselves.

[sickspeed94]

We sell our MSP FMIC piping kit for $129. It also includes our SRI pipe as well. You will need a 24x6xwhatever thickness you want core. We also sell cores. Spearco 24x6x3.5" is $175 and 24x6x3.5" Garrett is $225
woah i wish i would have known all this!!!

2 questions... with the piping kit, is that core = 24 or with end tanks 24?

this is the IC i bought

http://johnnyracecar.com/6ma1.jpg

Core size: 25 wide X 5.875 tall X 2.75 deep

Overall: 30 from outside of end tank to outside of end tank X 6.5 tall X 3.125 at the thickest

Standard Piping: 2.5 OD X .065 wall X 2 long

also will your piping kit work with this end tank design? or could it be incorperated to do so? if so i'd be more than happy to give you the business.

(i think i will need to remove the fogs and run the IC pipe through where the fogs were. which i am willing to do)

[sandspeed]

that will look sick if you could see the pipes in place of the fogs

[Mental Addiction]

woah i wish i would have known all this!!!

2 questions... with the piping kit, is that core = 24 or with end tanks 24?

this is the IC i bought

http://johnnyracecar.com/6ma1.jpg

Core size: 25 wide X 5.875 tall X 2.75 deep

Overall: 30 from outside of end tank to outside of end tank X 6.5 tall X 3.125 at the thickest

Standard Piping: 2.5 OD X .065 wall X 2 long

also will your piping kit work with this end tank design? or could it be incorperated to do so? if so i'd be more than happy to give you the business.

(i think i will need to remove the fogs and run the IC pipe through where the fogs were. which i am willing to do)

We use a 24" core. Yes, our piping kit will work with that intercooler.

[quatelate]

We use a 24" core. Yes, our piping kit will work with that intercooler.


G if the pipping is aluminum ORDER THAT ISH..

[sickspeed94]

I DON"T GET PAYED TIL NEXT THURS!!!!! ok i gotta borrow the cash from me mum and order it so it can be in before crunkapalooza! haha then i'm gonna need to get wideband tuned for the AFC since the FMIC messes everything up... MAM you're a GODSEND and stanby for my order... should i PM when i'm ready?

personally i suggest everyone go this route, you can't beat it for a tube fin core 185 shipped and pipes 130!!!! that's just upwards of 300 for a sweet FMIC!

so mental addiction... these pipes are aluminum correct?

[ZenProtege]

wow!, I wasn't aware that you sold just the piping. I wish I knew that or else I wouldn't have done it myself. 175$ for a spearco IC core.......sounds to good to be true. You must be selling at cost or are buying a ton of spearco cores for cheap and adding the endtanks yourself.....or is that just for the price of a core without endtanks? Seems like I recall the spearco of that size to be around 400-500$ everywhere else. I'll be buying that as soon as possible if thats the cost with endtanks included.

What does the piping kit include for that price? If you'll sell just the hotpipe, consider it bought by me. I didn't know your kit ran the hotpipe that way.......does it wedge between where the core support and underguard bolt together? I would like to know the thickness and metal used.

Am I missing something here? Why would somebody pay 1k for your kit if they can buy the individual parts for it at less than half the cost.

[Notorious_V.I.C]

Bump for MAM...great price

When yea get a chance pm me back
thanks

[sickspeed94]

so excited... too bad i didn't see killer prices on cores before i bought mine.. could always upgrade in the future and sell the one i just bought. also too bad i won't have the money to order in time for mazdapalooza.

[apocman]

just to through this out there here is a place on ebay who hase aluiminum hardpipes kits for $159 and they show it on an MSP and have kit for $400 something...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2-5-ALUMINUM-TURBO-PIPING-KIT12-PIECES-UNIVERSAL_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33742QQitemZ8 029031998

[sickspeed94]

oh WOW i hope that really works because it definately has a spot to relocate the MAFS! and i just found out that MAM's kit is mild steel... are there any advantages to this since it's heavier.... do the MAM full FMIC kits come with mild steel or just the piping they're selling?

[4doors&atrunk]

hey sickspeed
i have been waiting to buy that same IC you have
and doing some research on pipes as well
let me know how it all turns out

[sickspeed94]

soon as i have the money for this Ebay kit i'll be buying/installing it... will take pics and let everyone know how it runs... although it may be a little off until i figure out how i'm going to remedy the airflow AFC/FMIC problem... i heard all you have to do is use the supermap.

[sickspeed94]

also... just talked to the ebay guy. there is no bending necessary for the aluminum piping kit but some cuting may be necessary (comeon... it's aluminum... hack saw and a file will do the trick!) i'll be purchasing at the LATEST thursday so as soon as it comes in i'll do a writeup, pics, and etc.

[sickspeed94]

wow 3 posts in a row for me, (i'm such a post hooa)


CHECK OUT THIS THREAD AND PLEASE POST IN IT!!!
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2222752#post2222752

[Notorious_V.I.C]

waiting for my fmic...just have to gather my funds...i'll be broke for good...

[sickspeed94]

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123622306


check out my thread! you might find something useful!

[VA03Speed]

I Did A Custom Fmic On My Msp And It Only Cost Me $700. I Did All The Installation And Fabricating To Make Everything Look Neat And Clean. I Think That Custom Fmic Are The Way To Go If U Want To Make Adjustsments To Things And Want A Certain Size On Different Parts. Buying One Is Easier For One Who Doesnt Like To Fabricate Things Or Like Customizing Other Things To Get The Fmic Of Your Choice To Fit In Your Bumper.

[Notorious_V.I.C]

Would you or anyone know what the biggest size core can fit behind the bumper without cutting into the frame or the bumper support beam??

can a core with the size of 28x6x3.5 fit??

[sickspeed94]

6 inch wide is the only thhat will fit without cutting bumper support beam ad you will still have to cut the bumper

[Notorious_V.I.C]

thanks, found that out and ended makin someone mad by asking too many repitive questions. But good to know now and for future reference.

[sickspeed94]

Would you or anyone know what the biggest size core can fit behind the bumper without cutting into the frame or the bumper support beam??

can a core with the size of 28x6x3.5 fit??
and 3.5 will be slightly too thick but from the way my 3 inch fit it could work.

[Notorious_V.I.C]

I'd like to see other people's Custom IC piping...any pics would be cool. I might have to end up saving for a full set-up If I can't find some piping that can work with what I'm lookin at....

[sickspeed94]

I'd like to see other people's Custom IC piping...any pics would be cool. I might have to end up saving for a full set-up If I can't find some piping that can work with what I'm lookin at....
i went custom and i'd have to agree that saving up for a premade unit is the best bet

[Notorious_V.I.C]

SOunds, like thats what is gonna happen....damn oh well at least it will be done right the first time.

Still waiting to see your pics sickspeed

[Brian MP5T]

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[sickspeed94]

dad just got home tonight with the camera... got off tomorrow morning, i'll post pics here as well as in a new thread then... i'm running lean now wich CEL so the pics will be in my garage.

[Notorious_V.I.C]

bump for pics...

[Fede_italiano]

also... just talked to the ebay guy. there is no bending necessary for the aluminum piping kit but some cuting may be necessary (comeon... it's aluminum... hack saw and a file will do the trick!) i'll be purchasing at the LATEST thursday so as soon as it comes in i'll do a writeup, pics, and etc.
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[SpeedBeaver]

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[AuburnMSPfreak]

subbin for peeeeks

[sandspeed]

update with pics of the custom fmic, please

[Notorious_V.I.C]

dad just got home tonight with the camera... got off tomorrow morning, i'll post pics here as well as in a new thread then... i'm running lean now wich CEL so the pics will be in my garage.

(poke) Post em up....if you have had a chance to get things fixed and pictures taken

[sickspeed94]

man i've been soooo busy with trying to find a new job and school i completly forgot about this. i'll take some pics, but believe you me, it took 3 of us 8 hours to finally get this thing to fit right, plus som REALLLLLYYYY ghetto work.

[Spooled]

When you guys cut the piping, are you rolling the ends (creating a hump) for the silicone couplers? If not, sometimes the pipes and couplers can blow apart under pressure. There is a tool that you can get (not sure where, though) that bulges the pipe out a little to give a ledge for the clamps to hold onto.

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[sickspeed94]

When you guys cut the piping, are you rolling the ends (creating a hump) for the silicone couplers? If not, sometimes the pipes and couplers can blow apart under pressure. There is a tool that you can get (not sure where, though) that bulges the pipe out a little to give a ledge for the clamps to hold onto.

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the tool is expensive, i just used a plier and bent up the edges... a month and a half on 10 PSi and haven't had any problems except with the BOV (which has no rolled edges, it's really ghetto.) i'll finally have some pictures to explain everything probbaly tomorrow since i finally found my digital camera.

by the way that was a clevar little characature of the piping lol

[sandspeed]

the tool is expensive, i just used a plier and bent up the edges... a month and a half on 10 PSi and haven't had any problems except with the BOV (which has no rolled edges, it's really ghetto.) i'll finally have some pictures to explain everything probbaly tomorrow since i finally found my digital camera.

by the way that was a clevar little characature of the piping lol

awesome, glad to hear the fmic is coming along. i'm in the same boat with my begi fmic right now. are you going to towers friday?

[Notorious_V.I.C]

oooo, I'm interested!! I want to see. Hey did you mean tower records?? haha, over here in cali there are car meets friday and sat. nights at tower records.
But stupid ass fool, always burning out or making noise attract the CHP or local cops

[sickspeed94]

friday i may be at towers... you'll have to excuse my ghetto IC piping until i can get the last 2 or 3 pipes from this guy.

[Spooled]

oooo, I'm interested!! I want to see. Hey did you mean tower records?? haha, over here in cali there are car meets friday and sat. nights at tower records.
But stupid ass fool, always burning out or making noise attract the CHP or local cops

Does Eric Estrada ever show up?

[Notorious_V.I.C]

Uhh, did he used to have a blue Civic Si? He has a Evo now... If i think I know who your talking about

[Spooled]

Uhh, did he used to have a blue Civic Si? He has a Evo now... If i think I know who your talking about

I doubt he drives a Civic. Last I saw him he was riding a motorcycle.


http://www.msprotege.com/members/Spooled/estrada.jpg



http://www.msprotege.com/members/Spooled/guess_what_Eric_Estrada_fro.jpg

[Notorious_V.I.C]

haha......oh stupid me oh well should of known you were being sarcastic typish...Hey sickspeed get the pictures loaded up yet?

[Spooled]

haha......oh stupid me oh well should of known you were being sarcastic typish...Hey sickspeed get the pictures loaded up yet?

Ha, yeah, I can't find the sarcasm key on my keyboard.

[Rally Ninja]

is Mental Addiction still selling the Pipes to do the DIY FMIC?

[BlkWidow]

i want to know too.

[Notorious_V.I.C]

PM Beau...And findout what you need or want

[Rally Ninja]

Kinda newbish. whose Beau? I PMed M.A. but no reply. =(

[Notorious_V.I.C]

Kinda newbish. whose Beau? I PMed M.A. but no reply. =(

Beau is "Mental Addiction" He just got back from something i don't know what on thee 20th. So just wait paitently he will answer your question. or jsut e-mail him, either way you will get an answer. I ordered stuff it took a while but its well wourth it great craftmanship takes time. So be prepared

[Rally Ninja]

Well its almost been a month and no reply. (5 more days) =)~

So now I need a different option for pipes. Anyone have any idea where to get some?

[SpeedBeaver]

Hey, did you post any pictures of the final result yet?

I'm just curious to see how it turned out.

[Notorious_V.I.C]

Hey, did you post any pictures of the final result yet?

I'm just curious to see how it turned out.

mine??

Oh and the person above that posted that hasn't recieved a reply i just Pmed you i may be able to help you out.

[SpeedBeaver]

mine??

Oh and the person above that posted that hasn't recieved a reply i just Pmed you i may be able to help you out.
Yeah, yours.

[Notorious_V.I.C]

I have everything except the intercooler core and silicone couplers and clamps. I may just leave it and sell cause something better may be coming up (meaning better mod), BUT I will post pictures for you in a couple of days just been having some family problems

[HFD45]

all this talk about piping kits...im looking around and we have ZERO room to play w/ when it comes to the routing process....Where is the most effective way to run these pipes w/o compromising the front end frame? i was looking around and lot of people go down into the wheel wells on both ends just cutting that stupid little plastic fender covers. Anyone got pics of the routing or ANYTHING that would be great. Im liking the custom route for the price, and for the pride of a job well done lol

[Notorious_V.I.C]

Here are the ones out right now.

Highboost and BEGi have the same routing pretty much. Well its close.
The Perrin is there and the MAM.

I guess your looking for some custom routing...

here are some links...kind of odd routes and bends

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59690&highlight=fmic

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69869

[sandspeed]

Here are the ones out right now.

Highboost and BEGi have the same routing pretty much. Well its close.
The Perrin is there and the MAM.

I guess your looking for some custom routing...

here are some links...kind of odd routes and bends

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59690&highlight=fmic

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69869


no love for the begi fmic
here is a pic(glare)
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e45/dsmspeed/1begi.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e45/dsmspeed/DSC01114.jpg
sorry for threadjack, i was bored and like these pics. The begi has extremely direct piping and the quality is excellent. the welds are not very noticable

[Notorious_V.I.C]

No worry about thread jack man we're all family! Or should i say Familia!

Did you ever get the Forge BOV?? There's one in the FS section still if it hasn't sold.

[sandspeed]

i ordered the forge diverter valve from the forge website instead of the bov. For now i'm going to recirculate the air until i can afford the blitz DD or turbo xs rfl.(glare)

i see that your still looking for an intercooler core, i recommend
spearco . my buddy's turbo P5 runs like a beast because he changed from
a cheap ebay intercooler to a spearco intercooler

[Rally Ninja]

You still contemplating selling your almost complete setup notorious?

[HFD45]

custom routing would be sweet and best bang for the buck b/c its your way, if ya can pull it off.....pre-made idealy would fit the best and you'll have dyno results for, custom your kinda running around blind.

[HFD45]

Here are the ones out right now.

Highboost and BEGi have the same routing pretty much. Well its close.
The Perrin is there and the MAM.

I guess your looking for some custom routing...

here are some links...kind of odd routes and bends

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59690&highlight=fmic

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69869



looks like its gonna be some serious trial and error involved over here on my parts lol

[Notorious_V.I.C]

I am going to stick with the piping unless someone wants to make a offer that i will accept, but more then likly I'll keep the pipes.

If you're having toruble contacting BEau about the FMIC pipes e-mail him or just Pm him again. I hope all works out. Seems like he is also making hardpipes for the SMIC now. I'll get pictures of the hardpipes i have right now this week. ANy more questions let me know.

[MazdaSpeedSter]

Here are the ones out right now.

Highboost and BEGi have the same routing pretty much. Well its close.
The Perrin is there and the MAM.

I guess your looking for some custom routing...

here are some links...kind of odd routes and bends

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59690&highlight=fmic

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69869

Sub'n...

(post #73)
BTW - The middle pic is mine. It's now for sale again for anyone interested. :) <Click Here (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2241805#post2241805)>

On the last pic. Anyone know or have any pic's on how the first pipe is routed¿

[Notorious_V.I.C]

MY FMIC FOR SALE


http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123637986

[Notorious_V.I.C]

Intercooler for sale...check out my thread

[MazdaSpeedSter]

didn't max buy it?

[Notorious_V.I.C]

didn't max buy it?

He bought everything except the Intercooler Core and the BPV..

SO i am in need to sell this core...its a nice one...MAM made it, bought it from Cwill