200whp+ safely

[PlatinumMSP]

So this is my plan to get over 200whp with just two more mods to my current setup....

3" full exaust
Unichip at hi-boost

thats about all i want to do to my car, opinions? i'm an engineering student so i dont have time for a job, but i cant help but want to mod my msp, my funds pretty much come straight out of my student loans, so i want my mods to count and not blow my engine

what do you guys think?

[mazdaspeed75]

Sounds cool I made 201 whp aty 9 psi with cai, Fmic ,catless midpipe, and stock ecu.

[Protege2K]

Might want to consider an upgraded SMIC.

[PlatinumMSP]

i was thinking about getting a CustomMSP smic, but then wont i need to get my unichip retuned? plus it just adds to my debt... :( i hate living off loans, but i love my msp :)

[PlatinumMSP]

i dont mind buying used parts either, so if someone wants to offer me something let me know, remember i'm pretty poor

[JDM Sam]

Unichip will be fine with the mods you have. It will be fine with the mods but will produce more power if mapped for the mods you have. 200hp is attainable with the mods you mentioned.

[NeverSober]

its a 3rd gen..............nothing is safe..........dun dun dunnnnn

[sandspeed]

quick question platinum, do you have any pictures of your headlights im curious to see the titanium headlight conversion
thanks

[jeffmsp]

its a 3rd gen..............nothing is safe..........dun dun dunnnnn

Not if you dont cheap out like all the people that have blown motors.

[PlatinumMSP]

quick question platinum, do you have any pictures of your headlights im curious to see the titanium headlight conversion
thanks

check out the last page here, tytanium is no longer making the kits though
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79007

[jeffmsp]

didnt corksport make 200WHP with catless exhaust, unichip and an intake? you are pretty much there already :) you will LOVE 10+psi its like a new car.

[lsdeater]

if i were you, i'd use your student loans on what they are used for so you wont break your car.

[PlatinumMSP]

yeah thats what my parents said, i'm way over that, i'll pay for it later when i get my civil engineering degree and make bank

[lsdeater]

take it from someone who did what you are thinking about doing.

[cthomp21]

take it from someone who did what you are thinking about doing.

Seconded.

Using student loan funds to pay for mods = not a very smart idea. Your parents are right.

It took me 2+ years to dig out of stupid, stupid, stupid student loan and CC debt that I racked up in college that could have been avoided altogether.

Get a part-time job for mod money and go to all possible lengths to avoid debt.

[PlatinumMSP]

sorry mom and dad...haha

look guys i'm gonna do this regardless of what you think, i'm just asking for help so i spent my money the right way. I'll be making 60k a year starting next summer, so i'm not worried about my loans being a future problem, i goto cal poly san luis obispo, its like 5k tuition a year, usc is 30k tuition a year, so yeah just chill

[mazdaspeed75]

Hers a little vid of 12psi . Mods fmic, full exhaust , cai , Mpi tuner and 2 injectors . Fun but traction is a bitch.

[PlatinumMSP]

yeah thats definatly my dream right there, what are the apprx cost of the mods, which one do you think made the biggest difference for you? i've got about $500 i can use right now...

[mazdaspeed75]

Well you need to free up exhaust first i think. Then the mpi with extra injectors. Then fmic for coller intake temps. Its fun but dam expensive. You prob could get a apex catless downpipe and a shop to do a custom catback for around 500.00 or so. Then mpi with the extra injectors is like 900.00 . Thats what i would start with .

[PlatinumMSP]

Well you need to free up exhaust first i think. Then the mpi with extra injectors. Then fmic for coller intake temps. Its fun but dam expensive. You prob could get a apex catless downpipe and a shop to do a custom catback for around 500.00 or so. Then mpi with the extra injectors is like 900.00 . Thats what i would start with .

i'd like to still be able to pass smog so i'd need a catted one, but its damn expensive its like 400 bucks just for the downpipe

[mazdaspeed75]

Ye athat strue about the cat but , I guess you could start with the downpipe and go from catback to the mpi and so forth . Just dont boost it uyp without freeing up exhaust . My car has stayed in tact because of that.

[PlatinumMSP]

yeah thats the plan man, what do you think about the corksport exaust? i could have hi-flow welded on to it for like 150 more...

[mazdaspeed75]

Yea that would be ok Anything is better than stock . I htink my 3"' atback for my setup is to big .3" for over 300 whp is a must but the whp iam at 2.5 is ok

[PlatinumMSP]

Yea that would be ok Anything is better than stock . I htink my 3"' atback for my setup is to big .3" for over 300 whp is a must but the whp iam at 2.5 is ok
which exaust do you have?

[mazdaspeed75]

f2.5 catless apex downpipe to a 3" custom catback with no muffler . i do have a big resonator though . I htink it sounds really good aand works well.

[PlatinumMSP]

how much did it cost for your custom catback? and dosnt the apexi still not change the s pipe?

[mazdaspeed75]

It was like 200 for the catback it not mandrel bend . Yea the apex doesnt replac eth es pipe it just the midpipe . So iam stock s pipe to apex to catback.

[PlatinumMSP]

i'm not sure how this would turn out but i was thinking maybe i could get a MAM stainless steal midpipe for like $220, then get the corksport 2.4" downpipe for $250 and use my stock muffler...i think i'd have to get engine mounts for the corksport though...

[MSP 2731]

I was wondering about the same set up. Corksport downpipe and MAM midpipe to stock axel back. So I say do it and let me know how it works out.

[TampaSport20]

So this is my plan to get over 200whp with just two more mods to my current setup....

3" full exaust
Unichip at hi-boost

thats about all i want to do to my car, opinions? i'm an engineering student so i dont have time for a job, but i cant help but want to mod my msp, my funds pretty much come straight out of my student loans, so i want my mods to count and not blow my engine

what do you guys think?

why not just get it done at an exhaust shop...most places should do it for under $500...

I had 3" catback put on my MX-6 for like $150

[Brian MP5T]

Rods with stock Pistons.

[PlatinumMSP]

Rods with stock Pistons.
if only i could afford that...

[PlatinumMSP]

ok guys heres what i think i'm doing i think i could get an apexR1 3" catback for about 300-350, and an mam 2.5" catted midpipe for like 215, i could also get a jic spartan de type 1 bullet catback for around 225, opinions?

[icespeed]

Rods with stock Pistons.

not to threadjack, but.... which rods work with stock pistons????? Or do you mean stock compression pistons?

/threadjack

[TX Speed Demon]

Dude, if you only want 200 whp, you don't need a full exhaust. Get an Apex 2.5 incher. I got mine for $125 used about 1.5 years ago and it's still holding strong. You can keep the stock resonator and muffler too, keeps the sound quiet and stealthy. Or just go to a muffler shop and get a straight pipe made. Guys here in Dallas are doing it for $60 and seeing good gains. Just getting rid of the cats is all you need to do to the exhaust on a 200 whp car.

Get a new front motor mount and a rear one if you can afford it. The stock ones will definately rip. Those run about $80 each.

Upgrade your intake with a used injen - $125

Get a manual boost controller at 8-10 psi - $50
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That's only about $450 there. Enough left over for an upgraded SMIC or a DSM AFC and you'd be over 200whp for under $1K.

[Brian MP5T]

if only i could afford that...

Ok man, No hate at all here so Please don't think I am meaning any disrespect...

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/Boom%206.jpg

[Brian MP5T]

not to threadjack, but.... which rods work with stock pistons????? Or do you mean stock compression pistons?

/threadjack

Which Rods wont...

A rod is a rod...

[jeffmsp]

yes a fine example of why not boost 5th gear, especially going over 200KM/h.

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/Boom%206.jpg

just dont boost 5th and you should be fine ;) I am still yet to find myself in a real world situation where it is necessary. end of 4th is fast enough for me on the street :)

[icespeed]

Which Rods wont...

A rod is a rod...

I thought that there's a problem with the pins fitting in from aftermarket rods with stock pistons.

[jeffmsp]

i know beau sp? at HiBoost can machine a stock set to work after the aftermarket rods and also drops the compression to a more boost friendly 8.5:1 I believe

[PlatinumMSP]

what would be the cost of labor and the time needed to swap pistons and rods?

[MyOrangeToy]

So you guys are saying a MSP will make 200 whp with turboback, boostcontroller, intake and some kind of ECU?

[PlatinumMSP]

Dude, if you only want 200 whp, you don't need a full exhaust. Get an Apex 2.5 incher. I got mine for $125 used about 1.5 years ago and it's still holding strong. You can keep the stock resonator and muffler too, keeps the sound quiet and stealthy. Or just go to a muffler shop and get a straight pipe made. Guys here in Dallas are doing it for $60 and seeing good gains. Just getting rid of the cats is all you need to do to the exhaust on a 200 whp car.

Get a new front motor mount and a rear one if you can afford it. The stock ones will definately rip. Those run about $80 each.

Upgrade your intake with a used injen - $125

Get a manual boost controller at 8-10 psi - $50
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That's only about $450 there. Enough left over for an upgraded SMIC or a DSM AFC and you'd be over 200whp for under $1K.


i'd like to do it without blowing my engine and staying within emissions, yeah i know motor mounts are in my future, i'd like to stay away from the mbc though i think that has led to the death of many engines here on the forum, which apex 2.5 incher are you refering too? the catless dp? i think i can get a catted MAM midpipe for like $200 but from what i hear, i need to free up the whole exhaust to keep my engine alive before i up the boost any

[PlatinumMSP]

So you guys are saying a MSP will make 200 whp with turboback, boostcontroller, intake and some kind of ECU?

its been done many times man, i'm just looking for the right route there, i'm considering saving up for a vibrant exaust, i want at least 2.5", the corksport just seems a little too cheap for some reason...

[MyOrangeToy]

wow... seems like i m not far from 200whp!

I have Injen CAI, Apex 2.5 DP(1 cat), custom cat back, FMIC and a HKS EVC


its been done many times man, i'm just looking for the right route there, i'm considering saving up for a vibrant exaust, i want at least 2.5", the corksport just seems a little too cheap for some reason...

[Brian MP5T]

what would be the cost of labor and the time needed to swap pistons and rods?

It's a "Weekend Job"

[TX Speed Demon]

i'd like to do it without blowing my engine and staying within emissions, yeah i know motor mounts are in my future, i'd like to stay away from the mbc though i think that has led to the death of many engines here on the forum, which apex 2.5 incher are you refering too? the catless dp? i think i can get a catted MAM midpipe for like $200 but from what i hear, i need to free up the whole exhaust to keep my engine alive before i up the boost any

You don't need to free up the whole exhaust to get 200 whp. A 3" one is severe overkill for that power level. 2.5" will be plenty big enough for 250whp. A 3" exhaust on a 200whp car will just make your slow car sound loud and annoying.

The Apex exhaust I have is the 2.5" catless one. If you just replace the mid pipe then it's only 4 bolts to swap on the stock pipe for emmesions testing, and that's only if you are in a state that makes visual checks. If your state only reads the ODII port, you should pass as long as you don't have a CEL.

MBCs haven't led to the death of any cars, poor driving habits have. Boost smartly and you'll be fine. Stay out of boost in 5th gear (4th gets you over 100mph), Use high octane gas, and roll into the throttle to avoid large boost spikes and you'll be fine. Most blown engines have happened from excessive boost in low rpms due to driver error.



wow... seems like i m not far from 200whp!

I have Injen CAI, Apex 2.5 DP(1 cat), custom cat back, FMIC and a HKS EVC
At 10psi you should be very close. With some EMS I'm sure you'd go over that. Time to hit the dyno and find out for sure. (thumb)

[mspeed101]

all you need is intake, fmic, 2.5inch downpipe, boost controoler @ 10psi, and afc to hit 200+whp

[DiscreetSpeed]

So this is my plan to get over 200whp with just two more mods to my current setup....

3" full exaust
Unichip at hi-boost

thats about all i want to do to my car, opinions? i'm an engineering student so i dont have time for a job, but i cant help but want to mod my msp, my funds pretty much come straight out of my student loans, so i want my mods to count and not blow my engine

what do you guys think?
good luck (thumb) sounds good

[Cusson]

To give you an idea, I'v done 193whp &198 ft/tq with FMIC Ion, CAI AEM, 9,5psi and the stock exhaust of my P5. So with a full exhaust and a AFC, you should do your 200whp.

[CulRidr]

How exactly do you avoid boosting in 5th gear? newbie question but I haven't found the answer after doing a search. what would you need to do to have boost only running through the 1st 4 gears?



You don't need to free up the whole exhaust to get 200 whp. A 3" one is severe overkill for that power level. 2.5" will be plenty big enough for 250whp. A 3" exhaust on a 200whp car will just make your slow car sound loud and annoying.

The Apex exhaust I have is the 2.5" catless one. If you just replace the mid pipe then it's only 4 bolts to swap on the stock pipe for emmesions testing, and that's only if you are in a state that makes visual checks. If your state only reads the ODII port, you should pass as long as you don't have a CEL.

MBCs haven't led to the death of any cars, poor driving habits have. Boost smartly and you'll be fine. Stay out of boost in 5th gear (4th gets you over 100mph), Use high octane gas, and roll into the throttle to avoid large boost spikes and you'll be fine. Most blown engines have happened from excessive boost in low rpms due to driver error.



At 10psi you should be very close. With some EMS I'm sure you'd go over that. Time to hit the dyno and find out for sure. (thumb)

[Protege2K]

How exactly do you avoid boosting in 5th gear? newbie question but I haven't found the answer after doing a search. what would you need to do to have boost only running through the 1st 4 gears?
After you give the car a certain amount of throttle you will leave vacuum and enter into boost. Basically when in 5th gear just keep a steady amount of gas while cruising and you easily stay out of boost. To be able to monitor it better you need a boost gauge so you know when you cross that line.

[ChopstickHero]

How exactly do you avoid boosting in 5th gear? newbie question but I haven't found the answer after doing a search. what would you need to do to have boost only running through the 1st 4 gears?

your throttle position creates pressure changes in the engine and that's where your vacuum and boost come in. at various throttle positions (how far you press the pedal down), you will generate a certain amount of vacuum or boost. alternately, you don't have to boost at all in any gear if you don't want to. when i'm cruising slowly in the morning to work, i usually don't go into boost at all. you can give it partial throttle and take your rpms in first gear all the way to redline if you want without going into boost.

since you're a newb, read this: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo.htm

[CulRidr]

Ok great thanks guys, VERY clear answers...I really appreciate it (thumb)

[TX Speed Demon]

Yeah I just meant I don't push it in fifth gear. Fourth gear will take you over 100mph before readlining. Never had a need to push it any harder.

Install a boost gauge and you'll know for sure.

[Lil Freek]

meh.. i'll get to 200whp on 10psi.
figuring 10psi + 2.5" w/ hiflow cat + FMIC should do it nicely...

although i'm not going up to 10psi until my MPI is PROPERLY tuned - to ensure no-boom

[mazdaspeed75]

Ok forget 200 whp , Turn it to about 12 psi with mpi ,lots of timming pulled and 12 .2 a/f and get 230 whp maybe more. Its fun and i will see how long it last . (boom07) Of course with proper mods .

[Lil Freek]

hahahaha... i'm going to buy a second engine this summer... but that'll stay stored until i need it..
it'll either be a backup or a built engine... more likely a backup since i wanna see how i can buy an evo8

[rocketr2]

So you can never boost on 5th gear ? or KABOOM ! ???

[mazdaspeed75]

yea you can its just stressful espically at high boost . It puts stress on the rods.

[baconbitz]

you can but its pretty dangerous. basically its best to stay away from it if you can.

[8cd03gro]

i cant think of a situation in which you would need to boost in 5th (boom07) .
just dont do it, why would you need to boost after 100mph???? 100+on streets is stupid as hell...i say, not worth reckless driving on my record. my insurance is already too high.

[Spooled]

When people boost in 5th gear it's usually because they are on the freeway and want to pass someone without downshifting. I can breath on the gas pedal in 5th gear at 75 mph at hit 3-5 psi.

[PizZeL]

I dont understand why you cant boost in 5th gear? Is the engine that weak from the factory? Are the internals forged or just cast? What compression are you motors stock?

[Stormtrooper77]

I dont understand why you cant boost in 5th gear? Is the engine that weak from the factory? Are the internals forged or just cast? What compression are you motors stock?

It's not that you can't boost in 5th, it's just that some people are ignorant enough to do it with excess load. For example, driving at lower speeds with a full car going uphill and mashing the gas, all while still in 5th gear. That my friend is asking for trouble.

The only situation that you would boost in 5th is if you were to redline every other gear up to it.

[Spooled]

I dont understand why you cant boost in 5th gear? Is the engine that weak from the factory? Are the internals forged or just cast? What compression are you motors stock?

Search around the forum about the stock rods. They are like toothpicks. Stock CR is 9.1:1, so couple that with a tiny turbo that spools instantly and it can cause problems with too much low-end torque and boost spikes. If you can afford it, most people drop the CR to 8.5-8.7:1 and replace the stock GT25R with a Disco Potato. That's when the fun really begins. Of course, that's also when the pocketbook empties.

[mazdaspeed75]

Yea here is what 12 psi does at the track http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123625804

[PlatinumMSP]

All right guys I've got about $1000 saved up, I'm thinking of getting in on the GHL Exhaust group buy, what do you guys think? Or should I spend it on some other parts? I hear that exhaust is way worth the money and with 10% off man I dont think I should pass this up

[PlatinumMSP]

well i'm still on my quest for 200whp, i've got a GHL turboback thats waiting to be installed this weekend, and i have motor mounts on the way, still need the side inserts though, next up will either be a fmic, dsm afc, or unichip

[SilversunMSP]

How realistic is this? I've been considering the FMIC and I've got the Mazdaspeed exhaust already. What else do I need to see close to 200 whp reliably?

[PlatinumMSP]

How realistic is this? I've been considering the FMIC and I've got the Mazdaspeed exhaust already. What else do I need to see close to 200 whp reliably?

dude you'll need a better exhaust than the Mazdaspeed one, basically i'm kind of going off the unichip formula, http://corksport.com/content/00/01/06/61/73/uploaded.files/chart.jpg

basically i think they hit 200whp with just an intake and catback exhaust at 10psi

[chwood]

dude you'll need a better exhaust than the Mazdaspeed one, basically i'm kind of going off the unichip formula, http://corksport.com/content/00/01/06/61/73/uploaded.files/chart.jpg

basically i think they hit 200whp with just an intake and catback exhaust at 10psi

didn't he say he doesn't want to increase boost though?

and then, 2ndarily, wouldn't someone see better results replacing turbo-axle than cat-back?

(fingers crossed since I am doing just that on Saturday LOL)

[mspHtown]

didn't he say he doesn't want to increase boost though?

and then, 2ndarily, wouldn't someone see better results replacing turbo-axle than cat-back?

(fingers crossed since I am doing just that on Saturday LOL)



yes the catback is not all hthat restrictive. getting rid of the 2 cats and replacing them with 1 high flow cat or none at all will yield the best gains.

[SilversunMSP]

From what I've seen, a high flow exhaust/cat setup and the FMIC will usually cause an increase in boost by 1-2 psi. Do I really need to upgrade the fuel system (ie; injectors, pump) with just these two mods? Will I need some kind of fuel/ignition computer with these mods in order to still run safely?

[PlatinumMSP]

From what I've seen, a high flow exhaust/cat setup and the FMIC will usually cause an increase in boost by 1-2 psi. Do I really need to upgrade the fuel system (ie; injectors, pump) with just these two mods? Will I need some kind of fuel/ignition computer with these mods in order to still run safely?

With just the bolt ons you will be fine, you wont need any engine management for the increase in boost. You'll actually be less likely to blow your engine with a better intercooler and exhaust on your car. If you choose to manuelly increase the boost yourself though, then some engine management would be recommended.

[PlatinumMSP]

didn't he say he doesn't want to increase boost though?

and then, 2ndarily, wouldn't someone see better results replacing turbo-axle than cat-back?

(fingers crossed since I am doing just that on Saturday LOL)

the problem is that the unichip gives you a lot of problems when you try to put an upgraded intercooler or a bigger exhaust on it, its tuned for just an intake and cat-back exhaust nothing more, so if you decide to go that route you'd have to have your unichip tuned and that will cost a ton of money

[PlatinumMSP]

Well i'm finally almost there everyone.... and now i'm trying to get input on my final mod to put me over the top.... EMS & EBC ... vote your opinion here: http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123640500&page=3

keep in mind that I will be getting tuned no matter what and my mods at the time of install will be:

GHL Turboback Exhaust
Injen Cai
HiBoost FMIC w/ Greddy Type S
AWR Motor Mounts
Blitz Dual Turbo Timer / Boost Gauge

thanks

[Matrix]

Well i'm finally almost there everyone.... and now i'm trying to get input on my final mod to put me over the top.... EMS & EBC ... vote your opinion here: http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123640500&page=3

keep in mind that I will be getting tuned no matter what and my mods at the time of install will be:

GHL Turboback Exhaust
Injen Cai
HiBoost FMIC w/ Greddy Type S
AWR Motor Mounts
Blitz Dual Turbo Timer / Boost Gauge

thanks

Hey, just to make sure...you have changed your spark plugs to a colder plug, right? (poke)

[PlatinumMSP]

Hey, just to make sure...you have changed your spark plugs to a colder plug, right? (poke)

yup NGK Iradium IX's

[PlatinumMSP]

So the big moment is almost here, I purchased my Unichip today, should be here on friday, time to surpass 200whp!!! I am also considering doing the VCTS and porting to my intake manifold while i'm at it, any suggestions??

[baconbitz]

Updates?

[PlatinumMSP]

I've had a temporary setback, my turbo was leaking oil so I had to return my car to stock and take it to the dealer, I got my car back today and everything looks good again i've got some big installs comming real soon, my ported, polished, and vcts intake manifold is on its way as well

[Run for Cover]

Hey, Ive been reading this thread and a few others.. questions...

- of 2.5 for an exhaust is the way to go why is everyone getting 3 and what company makes 2.5? only route is to go custom?

- what emc is the best to use, the unichip seems pointless, the mpi is more controlable..or am i wrong? I was thinking about just getting the dsm afc?

- right now i have an injen, was thinking about an exhaust setup or fmic.. my plan is wanting to be in the 250 range, what mods should i expect to have to get done? thanks

[PlatinumMSP]

Hey, Ive been reading this thread and a few others.. questions...

- of 2.5 for an exhaust is the way to go why is everyone getting 3 and what company makes 2.5? only route is to go custom?

- what emc is the best to use, the unichip seems pointless, the mpi is more controlable..or am i wrong? I was thinking about just getting the dsm afc?

- right now i have an injen, was thinking about an exhaust setup or fmic.. my plan is wanting to be in the 250 range, what mods should i expect to have to get done? thanks

if your turbo, the bigger the exhaust the better, for the 250 whp your going to need to get a 3 inch turboback exhaust to get started, the fmic isnt going to produce half as much power... basically all you'll need is exhaust, fmic, injectors, ems, and 12 psi. The Unichip is not pointless, you can have it tuned should you choose, I'm getting mine tuned when I put everything back on my car, I'll let you know how it goes

[Run for Cover]

3inch just seems like over kill.. we will see. I am thinking about going with teh dsm afc, mam fmic and maybe the ghl turboback exhaust setup for now.. with a joe mbc set at 10lbs.... hopefully that works out.. we will see...

[Bakum]

Just got done reading this whole topic. I like your goal of 200 whp as I would like to do the same. Let me know how your finished setup runs as I may be taking pointers from you. As of now, i'm always hesistant to do any mods due to the "scary" posts i read. You know... the ones where people have popped motors, or problems out the A$$. :)

[PlatinumMSP]

3inch just seems like over kill.. we will see. I am thinking about going with teh dsm afc, mam fmic and maybe the ghl turboback exhaust setup for now.. with a joe mbc set at 10lbs.... hopefully that works out.. we will see...

you wont make 250 whp with those mods most likely, give me 2 weeks and i'll let you know how my setup turns out

[PlatinumMSP]

Just got done reading this whole topic. I like your goal of 200 whp as I would like to do the same. Let me know how your finished setup runs as I may be taking pointers from you. As of now, i'm always hesistant to do any mods due to the "scary" posts i read. You know... the ones where people have popped motors, or problems out the A$$. :)

buy some motor mounts to make sure that your lsd dosnt go out on you if you want to be safe with even just your stock msp

[Bakum]

I have the AWR Motor mounts and side Replacement Bushings, I Just haven't had the time to put themin yet. I may have the rear mount replaced by a shop though because from what i'm told its kinda a pain. I know thats a "Must Have" before anything can be done to the exhaust, on top of that from what I read, most aftermarket exhausts wont be covered under their warrantee if you don't upgrade the motor mounts. I have a bonus coming up the end of August so I may dump a bit into my car to get some decent mods.

[PlatinumMSP]

I have the AWR Motor mounts and side Replacement Bushings, I Just haven't had the time to put themin yet. I may have the rear mount replaced by a shop though because from what i'm told its kinda a pain. I know thats a "Must Have" before anything can be done to the exhaust, on top of that from what I read, most aftermarket exhausts wont be covered under their warrantee if you don't upgrade the motor mounts. I have a bonus coming up the end of August so I may dump a bit into my car to get some decent mods.

very nice, yeah i had someone do my rear motor mount for 70 bucks... not a bad deal, it took him 6 hours!

[Bakum]

Just out of curiosity, did you get it done at the dealer or at a local shop you know of?

[PlatinumMSP]

Just out of curiosity, did you get it done at the dealer or at a local shop you know of?

local shop, just shop around for the lowest price..... and definatly dont tell them how much of a bitch it is

[Run for Cover]

get your stuff installed already, oh did you get the intake manifold from protege garage?

[PlatinumMSP]

get your stuff installed already, oh did you get the intake manifold from protege garage?

hell no I didnt get it from protege garage, I bought it off the forums, its just a modified stock intake manifold.... I'd personally recommend you get a Street Unit intake manifold if you were looking for an aftermarket one, it produces waaay more power than the protege garage one...

my parts will all be installed this weekend, tuning will be the following weekend... pics, video, and dyno sheets to come in the future

[mspHtown]

I'd personally recommend you get a Street Unit intake manifold if you were looking for an aftermarket one, it produces waaay more power than the protege garage one...




just out of curiousity, what is your reasoning behind this?

protege garage claims "Dyno gains of 24 wheel horsepower on a DynoJet" and its listed as 300 dollars.

********** claims "Peak gains of 14.7 whp and 16.5 ft/lbs of torque" and its listed as 545 dollars.

********** doesnt say which dyno they tested it on. both manifolds seem to be a great mod but saying the ********** one produces "waaay more power" is false information.

[PlatinumMSP]

just out of curiousity, what is your reasoning behind this?

protege garage claims "Dyno gains of 24 wheel horsepower on a DynoJet" and its listed as 300 dollars.

********** claims "Peak gains of 14.7 whp and 16.5 ft/lbs of torque" and its listed as 545 dollars.

********** doesnt say which dyno they tested it on. both manifolds seem to be a great mod but saying the ********** one produces "waaay more power" is false information.

protege garage's car wasnt stock at the dyno, **********s was bone stock, the gains are much bigger when you add additional mods to your car

this is all based from what i've read and heard, not to mention that every dyno will give you different numbers

[mspHtown]

protege garage's car wasnt stock at the dyno, **********s was bone stock, the gains are much bigger when you add additional mods to your car

this is all based from what i've read and heard, not to mention that every dyno will give you different numbers


im not trying to start a fight or anything.

check out their website. it was done at stock boost which would play the largest factor in the dyno.

[PlatinumMSP]

im not trying to start a fight or anything.

check out their website. it was done at stock boost which would play the largest factor in the dyno.

that is absolutly not true because of the CustumMSP SMIC he had on his car, it raises the boost +1 psi, haha man i'm so over this discussion though, its all good

[mspHtown]

that is absolutly not true because of the CustumMSP SMIC he had on his car, it raises the boost +1 psi, haha man i'm so over this discussion though, its all good


your right about it raising it one psi, i completely forgot about that. but how much gain do u get from 1 psi (under 10 for sure). still decent gains for the money if you ask me.

[PlatinumMSP]

your right about it raising it one psi, i completely forgot about that. but how much gain do u get from 1 psi (under 10 for sure). still decent gains for the money if you ask me.

that I will definatly agree with

[Rotary_Powered]

I've been following this thread and others very, very closely. For those in emissions states is there any hope of modding up to 200WHP and staying street legal? Here in MA you NEED your cats and need to pass the obdII, so the few options include a cat-back. Also for those of you around 200whp do you feel the car is still well balanced?

[Matrix]

I've been following this thread and others very, very closely. For those in emissions states is there any hope of modding up to 200WHP and staying street legal? Here in MA you NEED your cats and need to pass the obdII, so the few options include a cat-back. Also for those of you around 200whp do you feel the car is still well balanced?

I don't see any reason why you wouldn't pass emissions with an aftermarket down/mid pipe that has a high-flow cat on it.

[Rotary_Powered]

I don't see any reason why you wouldn't pass emissions with an aftermarket down/mid pipe that has a high-flow cat on it.
That'd be nice, has anyone esle done these kind of mods in emission strict states? MA,RI, NY, CA etc.

[JDM Sam]

just race and see who wins, #'s dont mean shit if you lose the race.

[low_psi]

bump for dyno numbers and track times :)

[PlatinumMSP]

guys I've abbandoned ship on my project, almost all of my parts have been parted out, Just to let you know though I ended up with a hiboost fmic, ghl turboback, Unichip, injen cai, vcts removed and ported intake manifold and I was running 9psi spiking to 11psi. I could spin my wheels in third gear. Never had a chance to dyno but I am damn sure I surpassed my goal of 200whp, I dusted an S2000. That proves it for me. I'm heading back to school tomarrow, good luck to all of you. If you have any questions please feel free to pm me, its been a long road and i'm sure I could help you guys out with your 200whp goals....