How the *%$@#! does this happen!?

[Kokopellian]

Pix speak for themselves. Undercarriage of my MSP. No collisions or off-roading of any kind. Zero mods. As you can imagine, it sounds like it's straight-piped now. After this post, it's on it's way to the stealership. Hurray for Mazda's 4 year 50k warranty! I did some searching. Is this the "cracked exhaust manifold that's been talked about? I'm just rolling on 38k, I wonder what else am I going to have to replace under warranty over the next year or less.

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[MSP#735]

time for a 2.5" DP!!!!!!!!

[RenzoMSP]

Ditch the stock exhaust.

[SpicyMchaggis]

welds broke, shit happens.

Where do you live? If it snows in your area, I wouldn't be suprised.

[bazooka joe]

rust belt baby!!

[Kokopellian]

welds broke, shit happens.

Where do you live? If it snows in your area, I wouldn't be suprised.

I lived in the D.C. Metro area for the first year of ownership. Yes, hard winters indeed. Especially the last one before I moved. Now I live in TX. The weather is much nicer to my cars and my bike. (2thumbs)

In response to the other guys, well, I would consider an upgraded exhaust, but meh, it's still under warranty. I'll start modding when the warranty goes bye bye.

[Alejo_NIN]

don't you feel the car pulling harder too? being that there's no exhaust and just one cat the turbo might be breathing better...makes you think twice before having that welded back...think about the horses you'll be loosing

[Matthew]

the problem lies in the fact that the car has issues from the factory. i dont care what anyone says, or where you live...if you have those crappy welds busting in such short order, that is bullshit. my POS pontiac sunfire held up better than half of the MSPs on this board.

And BTW I have no life and feel obligated to stick around and troll this forum even though I no longer own a Mazda. The guys over at NASIOC won't accept me because I'm an asshat, so I'll stay here instead.

[jersey_emt]

Get the downpipe fixed under warranty, then get an aftermarket one. It'll be easy to take off the stock one because it'll be brand new.

Downpipe is one of the best mods for the car, and it can in a way actually help the car's reliability by getting the hot exhaust gases away from the turbo faster. The bit of extra power is a bonus too.

[1338]

that happend to me a long time ago around the same milage. Dealer replaced it under warranty. But it would be better to just go ahead and get a down pipe with 1 cat.

[MSPseats4sale]

yea you must live in the north...what a weak weld :(

[ChopstickHero]

just run it like that. no cat, no resonator, no muffler.. haha...

[SaaBaaDoo]

did you purchase an extended warranty???

[mountjonas]

the problem lies in the fact that the car has issues from the factory. i dont care what anyone says, or where you live...if you have those crappy welds busting in such short order, that is bullshit. my POS pontiac sunfire held up better than half of the MSPs on this board.

And BTW I have no life and feel obligated to stick around and troll this forum even though I no longer own a Mazda. The guys over at NASIOC won't accept me because I'm an asshat, so I'll stay here instead.


oh my.

[Kokopellian]

did you purchase an extended warranty???

No need. It's still under the manufacturers warranty. (thumb)

[SaaBaaDoo]

shit, I thought we had a 3yr 36k warranty....

[1338]

No need. It's still under the manufacturers warranty. (thumb)

they wipp replace it. i live in the south. we dont much snow if any. and mine still broke and i beleave noclue's broke aslo a while back when he live in atlanta. his car is totaly stock. mine was not and they still replaced it.

[Kokopellian]

shit, I thought we had a 3yr 36k warranty....

Nope, 50,000 mile warranty. Standard on all Mazdas, gotta love that!

They are replacing it today. This is the first MAJOR issue I've had with the car. I'm glad there's still 12k worth of warranty left. I've read some of the horror stories on here. I hope this isn't the beginning of something. If I have another major issue while it's still under warranty, she's gonna go bye bye next year. It might be time to get the Mazda6Speed. :)

[Brian MP5T]

Rust on Shit Metal.

[livelyjay]

Nope, 50,000 mile warranty. Standard on all Mazdas, gotta love that!

They are replacing it today. This is the first MAJOR issue I've had with the car. I'm glad there's still 12k worth of warranty left. I've read some of the horror stories on here. I hope this isn't the beginning of something. If I have another major issue while it's still under warranty, she's gonna go bye bye next year. It might be time to get the Mazda6Speed. :)
I'm actually surprised they are fixing it, since it's a normal wearable item. I've had this happen to two cars while living in the rust belt (Milwaukee, WI and Rochester, NY). I'm now in the DC area, and the car has seen one winter so far and there doesn't seem to be much rust. The system is getting replaced by the Vibrant stainless though, so I won't have to worry about it anymore.

Good luck getting a Mazdaspeed6 if you decide to go that route.

[Kokopellian]

I'm actually surprised they are fixing it, since it's a normal wearable item. I've had this happen to two cars while living in the rust belt (Milwaukee, WI and Rochester, NY). I'm now in the DC area, and the car has seen one winter so far and there doesn't seem to be much rust. The system is getting replaced by the Vibrant stainless though, so I won't have to worry about it anymore.

Good luck getting a Mazdaspeed6 if you decide to go that route.

I didn't expect any hassle from them on fixing it. I think the rusting pipe falls under the body rust proofing warranty. I believe that it's 5 years/100k miles.

Yeah. I'm waiting for my local stealerships to get an M6S in. Hopefully they'll let me drive it. See if it's all it's cracked up to be. I'm not going ot buy one straight off though. I assume they will be hard to move, just like the MSMiatas were. And you can get those HEAVILY discounted now. Especially since the new MX-5 came out.

[jersey_emt]

I didn't expect any hassle from them on fixing it. I think the rusting pipe falls under the body rust proofing warranty. I believe that it's 5 years/100k miles.

Yeah. I'm waiting for my local stealerships to get an M6S in. Hopefully they'll let me drive it. See if it's all it's cracked up to be. I'm not going ot buy one straight off though. I assume they will be hard to move, just like the MSMiatas were. And you can get those HEAVILY discounted now. Especially since the new MX-5 came out.

Yup...I got my MSM for 21,000 out the door including tax and fees back in February, long before the NC Miata came out.

[jersey_emt]

oh my.

(hah) I wasn't too mean, was I? (thumb)

[jersey_emt]

I'm actually surprised they are fixing it, since it's a normal wearable item. I've had this happen to two cars while living in the rust belt (Milwaukee, WI and Rochester, NY). I'm now in the DC area, and the car has seen one winter so far and there doesn't seem to be much rust. The system is getting replaced by the Vibrant stainless though, so I won't have to worry about it anymore.

Good luck getting a Mazdaspeed6 if you decide to go that route.

An exhaust pipe is most definitely NOT a normal wearable item. Wear & tear items include things like brakes, clutch, the cloth on the seats, etc. and are only warranteed for the first 12 months / 12K miles.

[GrandBelialKey]

shit, I thought we had a 3yr 36k warranty....
I just got a thing in the mail saying my warranty is up as of aug 05. but for some reason it's still under factory warrany, idk for how long...

edit:
Nope, 50,000 mile warranty. Standard on all Mazdas, gotta love that!

[terbow]

(hah) I wasn't too mean, was I? (thumb)


hahaha i just noticed that. comedy gold.

[nonameheroes]

bad welding+rust=fucked exhaust...but damn...i've never seen shit happen that bad

[GrandBelialKey]

(hah) I wasn't too mean, was I? (thumb)
wow, even I think that's fucked... even if he was the biggest douche on the planet (which he's not)
You could at least let the man speak for himself....


(upyours)

(notcool)

(no)

[Velocifero]

same thing happened to ^tyrant^'s exhaust

[MP3Architect]

Now I live in TX.
where at in texas?

[BoOsTiN]

Same here . same weld.
I think JDMSam said his did also.

[Heathen23]

Same here . same weld.
I think JDMSam said his did also.

ditto here. north carolina isn't exactly rust belt. more like bible belt.

[Matthew]

the problem lies in the fact that the car has issues from the factory. i dont care what anyone says, or where you live...if you have those crappy welds busting in such short order, that is bullshit. my POS pontiac sunfire held up better than half of the MSPs on this board.

And BTW I have no life and feel obligated to stick around and troll this forum even though I no longer own a Mazda. The guys over at NASIOC won't accept me because I'm an asshat, so I'll stay here instead.
nothing better than when a mod instigates problems but blames it on you (boom07)

i guess we could go on and on about how since you cant beat me by actually saying anything to me, you could just be a loser enough to edit my posts.

all this because some poor wittle mod couldnt take it that i said it is unacceptable to have a 2-3 year old car from the factory with welds rusting out and pipes falling off.

oh waaaaahhaaaa....

[jersey_emt]

nothing better than when a mod instigates problems but blames it on you (boom07)

i guess we could go on and on about how since you cant beat me by actually saying anything to me, you could just be a loser enough to edit my posts.

all this because some poor wittle mod couldnt take it that i said it is unacceptable to have a 2-3 year old car from the factory with welds rusting out and pipes falling off.

oh waaaaahhaaaa....

Well, actually I had first deleted your post. But then I, who like nearly all of the staff am tired of your shit, decided to have a little fun at your expense.

YOU are on thin ice, and I, as well as other staff members, will not allow your trolling in the section(s) we moderate. While the admins for whatever reason have not simply banned you, remember that I am responsible for keeping this section under wraps. Any bullshit you post in this section will be prompty deleted, edited to remove the instigative or offensive content, or edited in the way your post in this thread was. You are creating more work for me, and I decided to make cleaning up after you a more enjoyable experience for me as well as others.

Now, back on topic for everyone, myself included. Any further off-topic posts in this thread, by anyone, will be removed.

[jersey_emt]

bad welding+rust=fucked exhaust...but damn...i've never seen shit happen that bad

The same thing happened to the Apex catted downpipe that I on my MSP, except that the weld separated at the front flange where it attached to the stock s-pipe.

Sometimes these things just happen. Could have been a weak piece of metal tubing, a bad weld, a rock on the road striking it in the right spot, or many other possible explanations.

To the original posted -- I wouldn't worry too much about this. It's nothing major. When you have something as complex and with as many parts as an automobile, it should be expected that some parts may be faulty This is the reason why we have a warranty.

[Kokopellian]

All fixed now folks. Yeah warranty. Still waiting for the MS6 though.

[MADSPEEDER]

nothing better than when a mod instigates problems but blames it on you (boom07)

i guess we could go on and on about how since you cant beat me by actually saying anything to me, you could just be a loser enough to edit my posts.

all this because some poor wittle mod couldnt take it that i said it is unacceptable to have a 2-3 year old car from the factory with welds rusting out and pipes falling off.

oh waaaaahhaaaa....



THE TRUTH HURTS... (hah)

[Mutmatt]

THE TRUTH HURTS... (hah)

don't be dumb... and did they just weld it back or replaice? lol just knowing mazda (poke) they used duct tape lol (hah)

[yashooa]

The same thing happened to me when I had just a few thousand miles on the car. Mazda fixed it along with some other things. Now I have an aftermarket exhaust and I never want that dual cat restrictive stock exhaust back.

[JDM Sam]

Yes, that happened to me. Blame the engine flex. Only flex is in the springs that press the cat pipe against the j pipe. The warranty on this item is longer b/c it's an emissions component. It's in the owners manual if you care to find out how long it is. I took it back out after I got a new one still b/c running catless is a night and day difference. Also, if your turbo has a slight high pitch whine into boost and you have the stock cats, if you go catless that sound will go away b/c the reduced back pressure.

[Stiltz]

don't you feel the car pulling harder too? being that there's no exhaust and just one cat the turbo might be breathing better...makes you think twice before having that welded back...think about the horses you'll be loosing

Having no muffler will make you lose backpressure, thus loosing hoarsepower believe me, i have had past problems with that.

[JDM Sam]

^This doesnt apply to turbo applications.

[Kokopellian]

Well, it's running nicely now. Damn I love this car! I left tire strips all over the road while I "tested" the new pipe out. I might go aftermarket once the warranty is out. That is If I haven't bought another car by then. I can't decide which vehicle will have to leave the stable in order to make room for the MS6 if I'm so inclined to buy it.

[Alejo_NIN]

^This doesnt apply to turbo applications.


bah, back preassure?...only in civics my firends.....

[jeremyfl]

I think I have this same problem, car is loud....It does some to pull harder but the noise level and the back firing are too much. I have no mods either and live in miami, fl so no snow issues here.

did they have to order the part? and if so how long did it take?

[MoJoeTCM]

i dont know if anyone posted...but future problems...lsd, crack in mani, bushings, exhaust, shot turbo acutators....so many i left out....

[Kokopellian]

I think I have this same problem, car is loud....It does some to pull harder but the noise level and the back firing are too much. I have no mods either and live in miami, fl so no snow issues here.

did they have to order the part? and if so how long did it take?

No, they didn't have to order the part at all. It took them a day to get it done.

[spoolinboost]

i had that happen to my car twice

[JHew84]

I lived in the D.C. Metro area for the first year of ownership. Yes, hard winters indeed. Especially the last one before I moved. Now I live in TX. The weather is much nicer to my cars and my bike. (2thumbs)

In response to the other guys, well, I would consider an upgraded exhaust, but meh, it's still under warranty. I'll start modding when the warranty goes bye bye.

probably already been said a million times, but you are definitly falling victim to the monster known as rust, especially if you do a lot of go somewhere, shut it off, drive again shortly, stop, drive again shortly, stop, basically heat it up, let it cool, heat it up, let it cool, that will REALLY speed up the process, but that does seem like it happened a little quickly... hope the stealership fixed it for you without hassle (thumb)

[Kansei]

I still don't get how these cars rust out so quickly (my 02.5 had bubbling rear fenders after last winter at 45k miles) yet my 1994 Mazda B4000LE is in amazing condition. The exhaust is 100% original and isn't even very rusted, the undercarriage isn't really rusty looking, and under the hood looks newer than my Protege. Good luck getting your car fixed, but after they fix it for free definitely go aftermarket, I doubt the stealership would care too much about an aftermarket downpipe.

[JHew84]

cars in general are getting cheaper, its no secret, they are finding new ways to cut-corners, and their doing it, not to mention there are MANY other factors that go into it, you may have taken better care of your older mazda better than the P5 possibly? who knows...

[Kansei]

cars in general are getting cheaper, its no secret, they are finding new ways to cut-corners, and their doing it, not to mention there are MANY other factors that go into it, you may have taken better care of your older mazda better than the P5 possibly? who knows...

Oh hell no. lol That truck definitely took a beating. I did high speed off-roading, did some rock climbing, tore up the unmaintained dirt roads through a reservoir i the area in the winter, did a fair bit of pulling my friend's stuck jeep out, etc.

... but no one would ever know, that thing is so mint still I love it. I wish I didn't give it to my dad I would love to buy it back (gave it to him to pay off the protege) so I could put my protege away for the winter, I want to keep the protege new forever I love it so much.

I think you are right though, it comes down to cost cutting. The paint is definitely of a much higher quality, and with a waxing the 11 year old paint is as brilliant as the P5s. I'm doing everything I have the power to to keep my protege in great condition, including a couple weeks ago I sprayed an undercoating on the rear suspension arms and all of the wheelwells on the car.

[yashooa]

probably already been said a million times, but you are definitly falling victim to the monster known as rust, especially if you do a lot of go somewhere, shut it off, drive again shortly, stop, drive again shortly, stop, basically heat it up, let it cool, heat it up, let it cool, that will REALLY speed up the process, but that does seem like it happened a little quickly... hope the stealership fixed it for you without hassle (thumb)

Well, I live in Texas and my car did not rust the exhaust just had a bad weld. Mazda replaced the entire midpipe cats and all plus all my turbo hoses and reattached my IC pipes that popped off when the entire motor shifted due to the exhaust jumping around.
Heck, it was only a couple months old or so when the darn thing broke.

[rdmello]

Everyone suggests an aftermarket exhaust! Can anyone suggest one that wouldn't be much louder than the stock. I want the performance, but don't want the noise.

My car is still stock. Just got it a month ago and loving it! I'm getting addicted to boost!

[Kansei]

Everyone suggests an aftermarket exhaust! Can anyone suggest one that wouldn't be much louder than the stock. I want the performance, but don't want the noise.

My car is still stock. Just got it a month ago and loving it! I'm getting addicted to boost!

http://racingbeat.com/FRprotege.htm
I assume this is the same as the P5 catback just for the sedan.. it isn't much louder than the Stock P5 exhaust, I don't know how it compares to the stock Mazdaspeed exhaust since I've never been in one.