70 durameter mounts

[Spooled]

I started this thread because after reading through about 15 other threads on motor mounts, there isn't a single person that has actually posted about their experience with 70 durameter motor mounts.

I think that my rear mount is toast and I want to replace both mounts with AWR 70 duarmeter mount/inserts. Does anyone actually have 70s in the front and rear? No offense, but I don't want to hear about your experience with 88 or 95 or any combination of the two. I have already had experience with an 88 up front and it destroyed my rear mount. I just want to get urathane all around and be done with it.

So who has 70 front and rear? Vibrations? Wheel hop?

Thanks guys!

[Professor MSP]

I started this thread because after reading through about 15 other threads on motor mounts, there isn't a single person that has actually posted about their experience with 70 durameter motor mounts.

I think that my rear mount is toast and I want to replace both mounts with AWR 70 duarmeter mount/inserts. Does anyone actually have 70s in the front and rear? No offense, but I don't want to hear about your experience with 88 or 95 or any combination of the two. I have already had experience with an 88 up front and it destroyed my rear mount. I just want to get urathane all around and be done with it.

So who has 70 front and rear? Vibrations? Wheel hop?

Thanks guys!

Here is a thread that has some feedback on the 70 durometer motor mount: http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106540. My comments pertain to the front mount only, as I had the OEM rear mount at that time. I've since replaced the 70 durometer front mount with a filled front OEM mount and added the Weapon-R engine damper. I prefer the latter combination by a considerable margin. I will check back tonight and give further comments if you so wish.

[Spooled]

Here is a thread that has some feedback on the 70 durometer motor mount: http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106540. My comments pertain to the front mount only, as I had the OEM rear mount at that time. I've since replaced the 70 durometer front mount with a filled front OEM mount and added the Weapon-R engine damper. I prefer the latter combination by a considerable margin. I will check back tonight and give further comments if you so wish.

Thanks, I just read through that thread. Have you checked your rear mount at all? Is it damaged or torn? I need to get a close look at mine sa I think it might be toast. I rarely ever launch hard in 1st gear, so it don't abuse it. I think that if it's torn it's because I had an 88 up front for a few months with nothing in the rear. I may try the Weapon-R damper first to see if that helps. I don't need it for launches since I don't drag race, but I think it might be causing my aftermarket exhaust to hit under harder loads.

So you think that the filled front mount along with the damper has lower NVH than the 88 alone?

[Professor MSP]

Thanks, I just read through that thread. Have you checked your rear mount at all? Is it damaged or torn? I need to get a close look at mine sa I think it might be toast. I rarely ever launch hard in 1st gear, so it don't abuse it. I think that if it's torn it's because I had an 88 up front for a few months with nothing in the rear. I may try the Weapon-R damper first to see if that helps. I don't need it for launches since I don't drag race, but I think it might be causing my aftermarket exhaust to hit under harder loads.

So you think that the filled front mount along with the damper has lower NVH than the 88 alone?

I have not checked my rear mount. I will take a look this weekend if I remember and check back in.

At idle, with the lights and/or AC on, the filled OEM front mount with the Weapon-R damper has much lower levels of NVH than just the 88 durometer mount up front. Once you get rolling, however, the difference bewteen the two setups vanishes. That combination also has a fair bit less vibration than just the 70 durometer mount up front too (again at idle, with the lights and/or AC on).

I should add that I have not experienced any of the problems that some others have had with the Weapon-R engine damper.

[UnNaturalinc]

When I replace my clutch again I plan on downgraded to these mounts myself. I've got the stiffer ones now that are just too stiff for street use.

In a street car I would imagine the 70's would be more than enough mount for the car (front and rear).

[jrodhotrod]

Okay...

I have had experience with multiple combinations of mounts. Front only, Front and rear 95, front and rear 88, And most recently I am running rear 70, and Front 88.

Moving the rear down to 70 really mellows things out. It's still obvious that it's not a factory mount and there is some of that 1,000 RPM vibration but it's considerably less than with the 88 in the rear mount. And in all honesty even with just the front mount and the front mount being 95 durometer I didn't find the rattling from that one all that bad at all.

88 front with 70 rear really is a winner combination for me. I like it.

[Mallard]

You should have asked me earlier. I had the front in my car and the rear was ready to install. However, I just dropped my car off at the airport to its new owner.

The car wasn't noticabley different from stock abover 800rpms. I think it was a good mod and I was very happy with it. It was a big improvement over stock for wheel hop and lift throttle situations, but didn't vibrate the car more then stock.

[apocman]

I have all four in and they are the hard ones. They'll fuck'in rattle your teeth out, but i luv it...

[Spooled]

Great, thanks for all the great info! I am changing my oil today, so I'm going to see if I can get a good look at me rear. If it's still in good condition, then I will probably get the front 70 and the Weapon-R. I still may put the rear 70 in later, but I'm hoping to put that off for a while.

Thanks for all the info guys!

[Spooled]

Hmm, after looking through some of the threads on the damper, I might just do the mounts. I don't want to have to cut my strut bar or use shims. I don't like the idea of rigging it. It seems like people are having issues with them, too.

[Professor MSP]

Hmm, after looking through some of the threads on the damper, I might just do the mounts. I don't want to have to cut my strut bar or use shims. I don't like the idea of rigging it. It seems like people are having issues with them, too.

I did not have to cut the strut bar nor did I use shims, and it fits nicely. Note that I also wrote a small supplement to the Weapon-R instructions in one of the threads in which I indicated that all one has to cut is a small appendage off the strut tower bracket. For whatever reason, I have not had any "issues" with my damper either.

[Spooled]

I did not have to cut the strut bar nor did I use shims, and it fits nicely. Note that I also wrote a small supplement to the Weapon-R instructions in one of the threads in which I indicated that all one has to cut is a small appendage off the strut tower bracket. For whatever reason, I have not had any "issues" with my damper either.

Thanks, I'll keep this in mind. I need to replace my passenger-side motor mount first. I found that it was torn all the hell this weekend.

[ZenProtege]

I have 70's in both front and rear........what do you want to know?

[Spooled]

I have 70's in both front and rear........what do you want to know?

How is the vibrations at idle compared to stock? How is the engine rock / wheel hop?

[genius]

I have 70's in both front and rear........what do you want to know?

Man, that rear motot mount doesn't look like fun at all from what I have read.

[Spooled]

Man, that rear motot mount doesn't look like fun at all from what I have read.

Since I don't have a garage or power tools, and I can't afford to be without my car for more than a day if I screw something up, I plan I taking it to a show to have them do it. I've heard that it's not too bad (about $75) at most places. It would be worth it to me to have it done professionally.

[Spooled]

BTW genius, I took your advice and dropped 18 lb. from my car by draining the oil. Thanks for the suggestion!

[ZenProtege]

The idle isn't too much worse than before, you will feel more vibration but its not an annoying hard vibration like the people with 88 or 93's describe, its more like a feeling of shits bolted down solid. I idle a 500 rpm too

No wheel hop anymore! If its cold outside I get somthing similar but I think thats more of my tires not gripping than wheel hop.

Engine rock is very minimal
.
I would go with the 70's, I've read a bunch of complaints about people with stiffer duro. mounts @ idle and I couldn't make those same complaints with these, so it must be a lot better

[chowhoundMSP]

I had a local shop do mine for $66. I dont regret it. I know the guy who did it and i was in the garage with him the whole time. He has some computer for diagnosis of problems and it says for the 2.0L protege rear mount, 1 hour. Took this guy about 2.5 hours! and about an hour of the was spent trying to get one bolt out, cause a wiring harness is practically on top of it.

I have 70 front/rear now. Car feels much more drivable and steady especially under strain. I just noticed recently a good bit of shake with the lights on and the heater on, or if the fan kicks on, but it is easily overlooked or barely noticable with music on. Had this setup for about 4 months now and definalty wouldnt go back to stock, but also know that wouldnt go back to my 95 up front. (before this i tried 95f/70r)

I hope this helps, Napoleon. Let me know if you have any other questions about the setup.

[Spooled]

Great! Thanks for the solid reviews! I think I'm going to go ahead and order the F/R 70 setup. I may even get the side inserts to avoid ripping them again. Thanks again guys!

[StreetUnit]

70 Durometer is the ideal bushings for street cars, front and rear...

[Spooled]

Can you order the mounts with the 70s in them instead of having to get both the 88 and the 70 inserts? I don't see a phone number for AWR on their site. Who is the AWR rep on the forums?

[StreetUnit]

We have all durometers in stock.

http://www.***************/product_p/awrfmm.htm
http://www.***************/product_p/awrmm.htm

[ZenProtege]

I got my awr 70's from cullen

[StreetUnit]

I got my awr 70's from cullen

(first)

[Spooled]

Yeah, I saw those on your site. I also saw that AWR has a special for all 4 mounts for $187. Could you match that? I've bought from you before and you guys are great.

[StreetUnit]

Is that with shipping? SU28X for is a 5% coupon code. You can use that code on the site...

[Spooled]

$198 shipped through AWR, $207 through ********** with the coupon.

[StreetUnit]

You guys are a real tough crowd

[Spooled]

You guys are a real tough crowd

Hehe, ;) I'll probably order from your site after lunch today. Just giving you a hard time. I think you have to get the inserts separate at AWR, so it would be more.

[StreetUnit]

Hehe, ;) I'll probably order from your site after lunch today. Just giving you a hard time. I think you have to get the inserts separate at AWR, so it would be more.

whats your email?

[Spooled]

PM'ed you.

[StreetUnit]

I will have $10 credit issued to your account after you place the order, deal?

[Spooled]

I will have $10 credit issued to your account after you place the order, deal?

Works for me. I'll order in about 1 hour.

[Spooled]

Ordered! Can't wait to get them installed!

Thanks Cullen! You've got my business for sure.

[genius]

Ya they are pretty cool, they have over $1100 of my money for some products I ordered over the phone and I can't complain. Though now that I think about it, Cullen didn't mention anything about "coupons" http://www.msprotege.com:8080/smilies/boom07.gif LMAO!!!!!

BYW, Spooled, since you drained your oil, I'll let you on another secret; tranny fluid is heavy too! LOL!

[StreetUnit]

Ya they are pretty cool, they have over $1100 of my money for some products I ordered over the phone and I can't complain. Though now that I think about it, Cullen didn't mention anything about "coupons" http://www.msprotege.com:8080/smilies/boom07.gif LMAO!!!!!


SU likes repeat customers! Genius, what is your name? Call me personally and I will get you on your next order...(2thumbs)

[Spooled]

Ya they are pretty cool, they have over $1100 of my money for some products I ordered over the phone and I can't complain. Though now that I think about it, Cullen didn't mention anything about "coupons" http://www.msprotege.com:8080/smilies/boom07.gif LMAO!!!!!

BYW, Spooled, since you drained your oil, I'll let you on another secret; tranny fluid is heavy too! LOL!

Haha, I'll get right on it. But won't that mess up the tranny? Oh well, it's worth it for the weight reduction!

[genius]

SU likes repeat customers! Genius, what is your name? Call me personally and I will get you on your next order...(2thumbs)

PM'd. I will be getting in touch with you after I find a new home. Katrina kicked me out of my old one. Possibly interested in motor mounts.

THANKS!!!!!

[Hellnightkid]

i have a MSP...i have really bad wheel hog, so i am going to buy a front motor mount
which one should i get, auto or man? 70 88 90?
Or weapon R damper is btter than just the front mount>?

[ebmp5]

i got 70's and they are not that bad

[StreetUnit]

i have a MSP...i have really bad wheel hog, so i am going to buy a front motor mount
which one should i get, auto or man? 70 88 90?
Or weapon R damper is btter than just the front mount>?


I would go with the 70 in the front and down the road get the rear in 70 too. What is a weapon R damper?

[Spooled]

I would go with the 70 in the front and down the road get the rear in 70 too. What is a weapon R damper?

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=118815&highlight=weapon

[Spooled]

Well, I just got 3 of the 4 mounts in. It took less than 10 minutes for the front mount, and about 45 minutes per mount for the inserts. It would have gone much smoother with air tools and the proper extensions. Also, it's a PITA to get the passenger-side insert stretched over the mount that attaches to the block. I was affraid that it would rip, but in the end I used a screwdriver to lever it.

The car is very solid now, and I launched it once with zero wheel hop. The increase in vibrations is almost non-existent. I can't wait to get the rear mount in. Hopefully that will happen next week. A+

[StreetUnit]

Well, I just got 3 of the 4 mounts in. It took less than 10 minutes for the front mount, and about 45 minutes per mount for the inserts. It would have gone much smoother with air tools and the proper extensions. Also, it's a PITA to get the passenger-side insert stretched over the mount that attaches to the block. I was affraid that it would rip, but in the end I used a screwdriver to lever it.

The car is very solid now, and I launched it once with zero wheel hop. The increase in vibrations is almost non-existent. I can't wait to get the rear mount in. Hopefully that will happen next week. A+

Real nice.

[StreetUnit]

Well, I just got 3 of the 4 mounts in. It took less than 10 minutes for the front mount, and about 45 minutes per mount for the inserts. It would have gone much smoother with air tools and the proper extensions. Also, it's a PITA to get the passenger-side insert stretched over the mount that attaches to the block. I was affraid that it would rip, but in the end I used a screwdriver to lever it.

The car is very solid now, and I launched it once with zero wheel hop. The increase in vibrations is almost non-existent. I can't wait to get the rear mount in. Hopefully that will happen next week. A+

Where'd you get them? (first)

[Hellnightkid]

street Unit

[Hellnightkid]

street Unit

will i have discount for answered this question?

[StreetUnit]

Everyone wants discounts!

[Hellnightkid]

I still dont really like the vibration on 70. So i think gonna put the filled stock front mount back.

[StreetUnit]

Have they broken in yet?

[Ryoga28]

I still dont really like the vibration on 70. So i think gonna put the filled stock front mount back.

want to sell me the 70 awr mount? I could also give you my rr front inserts.

[Spooled]

70s all around are great. They cause enough vibration at idle to make passengers ask "what's wrong with your car," but I don't drive my car for other people.

[Hellnightkid]

My front stock mount is torn, so i have to fill it with 3m anyway, i hope the filled mount can reduce some vibration.

um..do u think rr insert is softer than 70?

[MrDiggler]

I have 70 F & R, and I'm not thrilled with the vibration. It's limited to a narrow rpm range, but still bugs the crap out of me. When I swap clutches I'm going to partially drill the rear to somewhat resemble the design of the factory mount. My side mounts didn't appear to be torn, but after hearing that some peoples sides have torn, I'm going to give them a much closer look. I've always had a shudder when switching gears that didn't go away after the new F & R mounts and a different flywheel/clutch/PP, so it's either a torn side mount or my pilot bearing is shot.

[Hellnightkid]

well my side mount started to tear....

[tallrd]

Question to which I missed the answer anywhere on here: Do the mounts settle in over time, and translate less vibration into the car when at idle?

hellnightkid: did you replace your front mount with a filled one yet? If so, did you get less vibration?

I can't stand the amount of vibration at idle with 70 F & R. It even rattles that small plexiglass window covering the guages, not to mention the trim ring around my CD player and that little cubby underneath it. It's too much for me.

[MrDiggler]

Question to which I missed the answer anywhere on here: Do the mounts settle in over time, and translate less vibration into the car when at idle?

hellnightkid: did you replace your front mount with a filled one yet? If so, did you get less vibration?

I can't stand the amount of vibration at idle with 70 F & R. It even rattles that small plexiglass window covering the guages, not to mention the trim ring around my CD player and that little cubby underneath it. It's too much for me.

If mine broke in at all over the past month, it wasn't enough to make any difference. Don't hold your breath about that. I turned on the A/C at idle for the first time this weekend, and OMG it was terrible! I also now get a really irritating buzzy vibration coming from the area of the passenger's side airbag when on the highway. I can't wait to get this resolved.

[Nos]

Here is a thread that has some feedback on the 70 durometer motor mount: http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106540. My comments pertain to the front mount only, as I had the OEM rear mount at that time. I've since replaced the 70 durometer front mount with a filled front OEM mount and added the Weapon-R engine damper. I prefer the latter combination by a considerable margin. I will check back tonight and give further comments if you so wish.


what are your mounts filled with ?

[StreetUnit]

Guys,
You have to install one mount at a time. This has been said countless times. One mount at a time will allow that mount to break in and after a few weeks, intall the rear. Installing both at the same time takes longer for the mounts to break in and causes a lot of vibration.

[MrDiggler]

Guys,
You have to install one mount at a time. This has been said countless times. One mount at a time will allow that mount to break in and after a few weeks, intall the rear. Installing both at the same time takes longer for the mounts to break in and causes a lot of vibration.

This is the first time anyone has mentioned this to me. Not that it would have mattered much. With torn front and rear factory mounts and my tranny out of the car, both were going in anyway. I'm still trying to figure out how urethane is going to break in. My oldest skate board is right at 20 years old and so are the 85 durometer urethane wheels. How come they haven't turned to jello after 3 years of heavy use and 17 more of occasional use? :)

[StreetUnit]

I personally preach it. They bushings will break in and lessen the vibration when put in seperately. I do not have much experiance with skateboards... :)

[tallrd]

I personally preach it. They bushings will break in and lessen the vibration when put in seperately.

Thanks for the glimmer of hope, but I did put them in one at a time. I drove for a couple hundred miles on the front mount before putting in the second one.

It seems there is no hope that this will get better (bang) I think this car hates me. It's like it's allergic to gasoline, oil, and anti-freeze.

[hoindawall]

i replaced the front and rear 88 durometer bushings i had with the 70 durometer a couple weeks ago. i cant tell the difference.

[InFeXIoN]

hey tallrd, i have the same rattles you do at startup and i dont even have my mounts installed yet.

[tallrd]

hey tallrd, i have the same rattles you do at startup and i dont even have my mounts installed yet.

Let's run through the sequence of events:

1) MSP kills tallrd's patience

2) tallrd kills own MSP

3) car comes back to life as a pedestrian that disobeys a "do not walk" sign which causes tallrd (in newer, more reliable car) to swerve and run into someone else driving another MSP, thus totalling their MSP.

4) other driver finds out MSP air bags are only thing that work and thanks tallrd for saving him the trouble of killing own MSP out of sheer frustration.

5) the end

[InFeXIoN]

sounds fun and eventful!!

[MrDiggler]

Let's run through the sequence of events:

1) MSP kills tallrd's patience

2) tallrd kills own MSP

3) car comes back to life as a pedestrian that disobeys a "do not walk" sign which causes tallrd (in newer, more reliable car) to swerve and run into someone else driving another MSP, thus totalling their MSP.

4) other driver finds out MSP air bags are only thing that work and thanks tallrd for saving him the trouble of killing own MSP out of sheer frustration.

5) the end

ROFL! Is this a true story?

[Hellnightkid]

not yet. i jsut fiiled my torn front mount with window weld...it takes time to get dry.
So i did put in both 70 mounts at once tho..
The vibration is bad when AC is on

[Professor MSP]

what are your mounts filled with ?

Nos:

I filled my front OEM mount with a GE silicone product. I filled the mount in layers, and let each layer dry for several days before the next layer was added, until finally the mount was fully filled. With just the filled mount, I still had some engine lashing that I didn't care for, but it was certainly an improvement over stock.

I added the Weapon-R engine damper after that, and have been very happy with the combination of the two. In installing the Weapon-R damper, I preloaded it by extending the piston beyond the length necessary, a process that I recommend in that it controls engine movement better. Note that some members have had a specific problem with the damper (I have not), but it has since been upgraded with no reported problems as far as I know.

I am of the opinion of several others of you, namely, that the AWR front motor mount (whether with the 70 or 88 durometer bushings) creates too many vibrations in the cabin for my tatstes, especially with the lights and/or AC on. I should also add that even after the mount was broken in (what little brake-in there was), it never resulted in reduced cabin vibrations in my experience. Finally, I found that the AWR mounts to created less vibration the warmer the weather.

[tallrd]

ROFL! Is this a true story?

for better or worse, no. However, given the history of this car, it's either that or it's going to "Christine" my ass into paranoid psychosis.

Why haven't I sold this car?...

because I'm a glutton for punishment (and when it works, it's fun as hell to drive).