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mikeyb
11-08-2005, 01:27 PM
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Small is beautiful once again, a reflection of fuel prices and good taste.
In Praise of Small Cars

By Gavin Green

Date Posted: 11-07-2005

If cars reflect their surroundings, is it any wonder that America — a big country with big skies and big people — has a preference for big cars? America's predilection for expansive machinery began in earnest in the affluent, hedonistic '50s. It was an era of vast hoods and aircraft-carrier-sized trunks; of booming V8s and greater power; of more road mileage but less gas mileage; of optimism and excess; of happy days and cheap gas.

The Middle East's first attempt to hold the West to ransom demanded (from oil-starved governments, as much as gas price-sensitive drivers) a modest motoring miniaturization. It was the '70s, the first time that the Japanese and European carmakers — small-car specialists due to the demographics of their home market, their paucity of natural materials and the topography of their towns — got a major foothold in the United States. They have never looked back.

Naturally, when the good times returned, vehicles got bigger. But this time around, it wasn't so much sedans that blossomed. Rather, the Big Three found a new full-size goldmine, the full-size SUV. Those who demanded as much metal as possible for the money — and Americans have always wanted more for less, never mind the quality — naturally chose the biggest feasible vehicle. They bought an SUV.

Now there's a new oil crisis, caused by hurricanes and high prices. Once again, Americans are downsizing. Once again, Japanese and European makers are benefiting (will the domestic automakers ever learn?).

But instead of despairing, Americans should celebrate! Smaller is better. Starbucks teaches us why. It reversed the longtime American trend of quantity over quality. When it was easy to buy a Big Gulp-sized cup of coffee for a quarter, why spend a few dollars on a smaller cup of Arabica bean Costa Rican? "Because our coffee is better," argued Starbucks. It was a sociological shift for Americans.

Equally, we celebrate the miniaturization of iPods and TVs, of computers and cameras, of stereos and cell phones. Most components in cars are getting physically smaller and lighter. Yet, that old anachronistic adage — "Bigger and better," as though the two words were synonymous — still pervades the American auto mentality.

It makes no sense. Why buy a mushy-sprung roly-poly big sedan or SUV when — frequently for less money and certainly for lower gas bills — you can buy a compact sedan or small sportster that handles better, goes faster, is lots more fun to drive, is mechanically more sophisticated, is frequently more comfortable and, in these uncertain economic times, will almost certainly hold its value better? There have never been so many good compact and small sporty cars on sale in America, from the nimble Ford Focus to the Honda Civic; from the practical Honda Element to the sporty MX-5; from the Mini Cooper to the BMW 3 series.

Smaller cars are better in so many ways. Weight not only destroys fuel consumption, it also damages handling, agility, steering precision, roadholding, braking and performance.

Smaller, lighter cars are more fun to drive. The best handling car in the world is probably the Lotus Elise — slogan: "Performance through light weight." It will do 150 mph and zero to 60 mph in under 5 seconds not because it has a great lump of fuel-consumptive V8 up front, but because it is made of that loveliest of all lightweight metals, aluminum, and it has none of the fripperies and unnecessary addenda that weigh down so many other "sports cars."

What I love about the Elise — and the new MX-5 and 3 Series and Focus and the best of the Civics and the Mini Cooper — is that small-lizard-down-a-drainpipe nimbleness, that marvelous feeling that you're wearing the car: It's an extension of your natural agility rather than an encumbrance to it. Many big SUVs and large sedans are crippled by their obesity. Myriad electronics and powerful engines and big tires mask much of their girth — but not in a braking or handling emergency, when these monsters display all the agility of Homer Simpson doing hurdles.

"What about safety?!" you cry. It is generally true that, in an accident, a big car is better than a small car. But airbags and modern materials and computer design have massively improved the safety of all cars. And a small, nimble car is less likely to crash in the first place than a big, bloated one.

What about that big-car-for-a-big-country romance? Is a Honda Civic, a car originally designed for the back streets of Tokyo, really the right car to cruise Route 66? You bet! Air con on full, good music coming from its (Japanese) stereo, excellent comfort, fewer fuel stops because of that extra economy (which means faster point-to-point progress). Plus — and this is still possibly the Japanese auto industry's greatest contribution to motoring — an absolute guarantee of getting there.

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seanmcsean
11-08-2005, 01:31 PM
w00t for minis and mazda 3's!!

dmitrik4
11-08-2005, 03:54 PM
amen.

except:

1) starbucks' coffee is NOT better.
2) i love my protege, but it is not the ideal long-distance highway cruiser.

wannabe
11-08-2005, 04:19 PM
amen.

except:

1) starbucks' coffee is NOT better.
2) i love my protege, but it is not the ideal long-distance highway cruiser.

1:
couldnt have said it better myself. charbuck (blarf)

BradC
11-08-2005, 04:49 PM
agreed, why does everyone this Starbucks is so good?

I drink my coffee black, and actually taste it. I think Starbucks is ass

Hughes412
11-08-2005, 05:32 PM
For the most part this is a good article, BUT! In Japan and other countries how many of those people have the ability to tow 7000+lbs? We do more farming in America and need the big trucks and SUVs. True most SUVs never see the dirt but we all have the day when we wished we had a big car. Try to take your family to the movies in a mini, or a civic. Have you ever seen 4 grown men in a civic? Looks like a clown car. There are reasons why Americans like big cars. My dad has a 2005 civic and a 2005 F150. We take the 4 door truck when we go out, it's much nicer, rides way better and gets just as good mpg as most full size cars.

I lost were I was going with this because I had to answer the phone, work sucks sometimes! LOL

Roywhitep5
11-08-2005, 09:22 PM
is that guy j walking infront of a police car

MazKid
11-08-2005, 11:22 PM
LOL. Yeah he's J-walking dribbling a basket ball...he's a real cool dude yo.

Why a Mini? It's not all that small...they need to bring back the Festiva for sure.

nealric
11-08-2005, 11:48 PM
Amen...

What annoys me most is the current fashon of crossover or "light" SUVs. Its just a wagon with a friggin lift kit! Why is that attractive to people?

Lets take a perfectly good wagon, destroy the handling and gas milage and make it twice as prone to rollovers- what a great idea!

I understand that people need space, but thats what wagons are for!

I agree that farmers and construction workers need pickups- thats great.

But IMO nobody and I mean NOBODY EVER needs a ford excursion- that car should never have existed. Need to carry kids? Minivan. Need to go off road and be rugged? Get a real truck. Need to do both? Minivan + old beater truck.

Just needed to get that off my chest :)

MazKid
11-08-2005, 11:58 PM
I decided to actually read it and now I'm going to point out some of my issues with the artical.


If cars reflect their surroundings, is it any wonder that America — a big country with big skies and big people — has a preference for big cars?
Not necessarily a preference as much as "hey those people have a big car so maybe we should have a big car too" kind of mentality.


It was the '70s, the first time that the Japanese and European carmakers — small-car specialists due to the demographics of their home market, their paucity of natural materials and the topography of their towns — got a major foothold in the United States. They have never looked back.

And one wonders why imports have taken over the market share and why the big 3 are struggling, it's because in the 70s when the big 3 were making big cars with horrible reliability issues and here comes Toyota, Datsun, Honda, and Mazda, with smaller cars that get great mpg(except the rotary cars, but that's another story because what Felix Wankel did, and then Mazda continued, could not be done by GM or Ford who tried thier own rotary engines and failed) and last forever, and people looked at this and realized that better cars came from other parts of the world.


Naturally, when the good times returned, vehicles got bigger. But this time around, it wasn't so much sedans that blossomed. Rather, the Big Three found a new full-size goldmine, the full-size SUV. Those who demanded as much metal as possible for the money — and Americans have always wanted more for less, never mind the quality — naturally chose the biggest feasible vehicle. They bought an SUV.

Well, stereotypically Americans don't care for quality if they think the car is cool and/or cheap. I don't feel like an American in this regard because I choose what's cool to me over what other people think is cool.
This whole paragraph is beyond stereotypical and I can't really argue with it because it's just such a screwed up thing to say.


Now there's a new oil crisis, caused by hurricanes and high prices. Once again, Americans are downsizing. Once again, Japanese and European makers are benefiting (will the domestic automakers ever learn?).

Crisis? The prices went up to benefit oil companies. There were only local shortages due to the natural disasters. It's not a crisis, just the oil companies taking advantage of the situation and charging more. Big deal eh? And the big 3 will never learn. And there's still plenty of people buying larger SUVs because they gotta be cool like the rest of the people. Or something...


But instead of despairing, Americans should celebrate! Smaller is better. Starbucks teaches us why. It reversed the longtime American trend of quantity over quality.

Who's despairing? No one's despairing. And it's still quantity over quality for the typical USer.



It makes no sense. Why buy a mushy-sprung roly-poly big sedan or SUV when — frequently for less money and certainly for lower gas bills — you can buy a compact sedan or small sportster that handles better, goes faster, is lots more fun to drive, is mechanically more sophisticated, is frequently more comfortable and, in these uncertain economic times, will almost certainly hold its value better? There have never been so many good compact and small sporty cars on sale in America, from the nimble Ford Focus to the Honda Civic; from the practical Honda Element to the sporty MX-5; from the Mini Cooper to the BMW 3 series.

You're right, it doesn't make sense but it's the "American Way".
However there have always been great compact cars, and our current compact cars are bigger than thier previous generations and quite frankly I'm not happy about it. Gone are the days when you could get a 323, no power steering, no A/C, no radio, no clock, a 4 speed manual, a bare bones car that was still fun to drive and only wieghed around a ton. Now everything comes loaded with options. Everything has a radio and a CD player, everything has PS and A/C and gadgitry that only adds weight and ups the price. The Miata...the reinvention of the roadster...back in the day you could get one, steel wheels, no PS no A/C just a basic car...they even had "spec" versions which had no radio and were missing many other options. But you know what, that Miata was GREAT. It was cheap, light, etc. The MX-5 is over-optioned.

And the BMW 3 series isn't really small...the 318 compact was, but currently, nah...And the Element? It's pretty big last time I checked...


Smaller cars are better in so many ways. Weight not only destroys fuel consumption, it also damages handling, agility, steering precision, roadholding, braking and performance.

Smaller, lighter cars are more fun to drive. The best handling car in the world is probably the Lotus Elise — slogan: "Performance through light weight." It will do 150 mph and zero to 60 mph in under 5 seconds not because it has a great lump of fuel-consumptive V8 up front, but because it is made of that loveliest of all lightweight metals, aluminum, and it has none of the fripperies and unnecessary addenda that weigh down so many other "sports cars."

Yeah, but sticker price and availablity of the Lotus? Nah.


And a small, nimble car is less likely to crash in the first place than a big, bloated one.

Also because typically people driving smaller cars with less options are more in tune with the road and other drivers because thier cars aren't as insulated as others, thier radios are low wattage and wind makes thier car change lanes. Small car owners are heros.


What about that big-car-for-a-big-country romance? Is a Honda Civic, a car originally designed for the back streets of Tokyo, really the right car to cruise Route 66? You bet! Air con on full, good music coming from its (Japanese) stereo, excellent comfort, fewer fuel stops because of that extra economy (which means faster point-to-point progress). Plus — and this is still possibly the Japanese auto industry's greatest contribution to motoring — an absolute guarantee of getting there.

The Civic now is the size of the Accord a few generations back. It's outgrowing it's name and is also uglier than ever.
Whatever happened to cruising around with the windows down, radio off just listening to the engine, mildly uncomfortable, but you were driving a car.

The Civic was originally a very small car, then Honda just like the rest of them kept increasing the size, for no good reason.

clicknext
11-09-2005, 12:06 AM
He looks like he's about to be clipped by the side mirror of the police car.

SciFiMan
11-09-2005, 09:17 AM
I've seen 4 grown men in a Civic and they fit just fine. Did you mean adult men, or did you mean huge, salad-dodging, can-never-pass-by-a-fast-food-joint, red meat and potatoes every meal and never heard of exercise, American men?


.... take your family to the movies in a mini, or a civic. Have you ever seen 4 grown men in a civic? Looks like a clown car. There are reasons why Americans like big cars....

k-lea
11-09-2005, 09:30 AM
starbucks = god.

'nuff said.

Hughes412
11-09-2005, 10:17 AM
I've seen 4 grown men in a Civic and they fit just fine. Did you mean adult men, or did you mean huge, salad-dodging, can-never-pass-by-a-fast-food-joint, red meat and potatoes every meal and never heard of exercise, American men?


No I mean groun men! I'm 6'1 210, with a 34 in waist and a 42 chest. I'm not fat. My dad is almost the same as is our football friends and when we went to the bar to watch a game we did not fit in my car (03 pro.). We could sit in it but every one was cramped. the weight made the ass sag. I've seen the same in a civic. These type of cars were not made for americans, they were made for asians. Thats why they are smaller. Look at the German cars. They are more intune with the american cars as far as size go.

Amemiya
11-10-2005, 09:52 PM
Go MINI Cooper. ( I want one.)
Mazda 3 also. ( I own one.)

SilverBulletES
11-10-2005, 10:16 PM
I like the idea of the Mini at first but they are just too dumb-trendy and way too expensive for a little hatch that only seats 2. I drove a Mazda3 and I thought what it gained in refinement (not important to me) it lacked in fun factor compared to the Protegι. [/flame] :D

The only cars I care about buying in the next ten years are old Miatas, old motorcycles (and maybe an old pickup). If I had to buy a practical big car it would be an old 5-series or wagon. And I hope the wife would have the respect to learn a 5-speed. :D

**** all these bloated trendy techno-crazy piece of **** cars.